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UEFA Euro 2024 final
Blurb: In association football, Spain defeat England to win UEFA Euro 2024. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Gödel2200 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by MarkH21 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
The article for the final may need some sourcing work. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose until there is a prose recap of the match. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 20:59, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle. Congratulations to Spain for the fully deserved victory.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- You're well aware that "support in principle" is meaningless for an ITN/R article. Either say that you think it's ready or say why you don't think it's ready. Kicking222 (talk) 21:07, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Per answer above; in principle. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:4DE:B079:824F:421A (talk) 21:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is also a big win for a major world country in one of the major international tournaments that conclude today. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:4DE:B079:824F:421A (talk) 21:09, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Jeez in the 21st century any team that wins the Euros is a big/important country... yes, I'm even talking about Portugal and Greece. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:15, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is also a big win for a major world country in one of the major international tournaments that conclude today. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:4DE:B079:824F:421A (talk) 21:09, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the final as the primary article as it seems quite perfunctory, doesn't provide any narrative for the game and needs work for issues like tense. The UEFA Euro 2024 article would be better as the primary article as it covers the entire event but that needs work too. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:17, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Those oppose votes that the article on the final lacks a prose recap of the match only 20 minutes after its end are very unproductive and may delay posting this because the majority of admins here blindly count votes. We all know that this won’t be posted in the next two hours, at least.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:28, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support: The prose summary has been started and is well-referenced. No preference for primary-linked article or wording in the blurb. — MarkH21talk 21:34, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- SUPPORT! Apparently, it’s agreeable that the summary is well authentically referenced with good citations. 207.194.85.134 (talk) 23:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Well this is clearly an AI chatbot re-writing of the !vote directly above... Kingsif (talk) 02:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support article looks good to go. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:06, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Prose summary is brief but adequate, and the rest looks ready. The Kip (contribs) 03:17, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. As it stands, the prose summary is far too short for a major match. SounderBruce 03:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Evan Wright
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Baltimore Sun
Credits:
- Nominated by CrazyMagicPickle (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Author of Generation Kill. Article could use some reorganizing (I'm new to this so lmk if I'm doing this wrong). CrazyMagicPickle (talk) 18:28, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Wimbledon 2024
Blurb: In tennis, Barbora Krejčíková and Carlos Alcaraz (pictured) win the women's and men's singles respectively at the Wimbledon Championships. (Post)
News source(s): NYT - The Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
I think the article is in a good enough shape to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 16:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support We should get this done quickly because there will be the UEFA result to post soon. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:07, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support unlike most tennis articles nominated here, this one actually has some decent tournament summaries and so meets WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:33, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Seems to be in a good enough state. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 18:01, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is well sourced and has a good amount of prose about the matches. Gödel2200 (talk) 18:31, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note I'm going to post this when the image is protected. Black Kite (talk) 19:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Jacoby Jones
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Baltimore Sun
Credits:
- Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American football wide receiver. Article needs a decent bit of work. The Kip (contribs) 16:06, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Shannen Doherty
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by Jolicnikola (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- Oppose There are CN tags. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 15:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support. The article is in good shape, no remaining tags. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 02:40, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Suspension of Alice Guo
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Bamban, Tarlac mayor Alice Guo is suspended after her actual identity is revealed to be Chinese. (Post)
News source(s): Rappler Inquirer Philstar
Credits:
- Nominated by TheNuggeteer (talk · give credit)
- Created by JL 09 (talk · give credit)
Really big incident in the Philippines, a lot of news sources talking about it, I might as well try to put it on the main page.🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
11:44, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Subnational incident that doesn't rise to the level of impact required for a main page posting.
- Noah, BSBATalk 11:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This seems to be stale; Guo was suspended from office on 3 June, and the NBI investigation confirmed her identity on 27 June ([1]). An arrest warrant was issued on 13 July, but this seems to have been for the Philippine equivalent of Contempt of Congress rather than any other malfeasance ([2]), and besides that arrests themselves are very rarely posted here. Curbon7 (talk) 12:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The suspension itself is stale, and the story is a subnational incident. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per the above. The wording of the proposed blurb is weird as well, and this definitely doesn't rise even to a national level of significance. (If Andy Burnham lost his job, would we post it here? When Nicola Sturgeon or Ron De Santis were in trouble, did we post it?) But also, this was rightly closed as a no-hoper, and it's been reopened by an IP user. GenevieveDEon (talk) 18:16, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and re-close, not going to get posted as per the above, so this should be re-closed (and IP editor re-opened it previously). Joseph2302 (talk) 20:37, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
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(Posted) 2024 shooting at a Donald Trump rally
Blurb: Former President of the United States Donald Trump survives an assassination attempt after being shot during a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Donald Trump was injured after being shot during a rally held in Butler, Pennsylvania with the perpetrator being shot dead.
Alternative blurb II: One person is killed and two others are injured, including former U.S. president Donald Trump, in a shooting at a political rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Alternative blurb III: Former U.S. president Donald Trump survives an assassination attempt at a political rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.
News source(s): The New York Times, AP
Credits:
- Nominated by Midori No Sora (talk · give credit)
Probably the most serious security incident involving Donald Trump. Trump survived the assassination attempt. 2 people were injured, and the perpetrator and an audience was killed. Currently reported live by major news sites worldwide. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 23:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until it is confirmed it was an assassination attempt. If it is then I will change my vote to support. Jbvann05 23:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait Information is scarce right now. Vanilla Wizard 💙 23:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait - People are rushing to get this story to the front page before we even know what the story is. Calm down, everyone. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - And why do we have a stock photo of him? We know what Trump looks like, and the picture has nothing more specific to do with the story than that. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:42, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's only a temporary image as there's no free / non-copyrighted image of the shooting at the moment. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 23:55, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - And why do we have a stock photo of him? We know what Trump looks like, and the picture has nothing more specific to do with the story than that. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:42, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait We have very few details as of now, so we need to wait. Gödel2200 (talk) 23:12, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait Wait inception. This happened 30 minutes ago. Await more details. qw3rty 23:14, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Confirmed assassination attempt that injured a former US president and current presidential candidate. No matter what details come out, this is a 100% newsworthy event. Poxy4 (talk) 23:27, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait Wikipedia isn't for breaking news. There is very little useful information that could be added to the article that could be properly sourced.142.163.137.123 (talk) 23:32, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support, now a shooting has been confirmed. Trump is injured. The perpetrator and an audience member died. This country is going to suffer extreme political violence in the coming weeks, so it was nice knowing you. Personisinsterest (talk) 23:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have sources for any of that? None of it is on the BBC live feed. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:30, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Here is one: 1 Gödel2200 (talk) 23:32, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. That message was labelled '4 min ago' as I saw it. Could we perhaps all slow down a little and not try to push this story onto the home page while it's still developing? GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:34, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- The original source appears to be local DA speaking to various media. Different media have different threshold for single/double/triple confirmation before reporting something big. Which is why there's some reporting of dead shooter in some media but not others. Wait until it's reported across major media before referencing such if it's considered to be included with a blurb. -- KTC (talk) 23:42, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. That message was labelled '4 min ago' as I saw it. Could we perhaps all slow down a little and not try to push this story onto the home page while it's still developing? GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:34, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Here is one: 1 Gödel2200 (talk) 23:32, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Injured? Trump's people are saying he's fine. Nfitz (talk) 23:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not unreasonable to say injured when there's literally video of him with blood coming out of his ear, whether through being shot, hit his head on something during the whole incident or a USSS agent accidentally whacking him in the head as they cover him with their bodies. -- KTC (talk) 23:39, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- They’re saying he’s alive. Personisinsterest (talk) 23:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have sources for any of that? None of it is on the BBC live feed. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:30, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Skyshiftertalk 23:27, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait Maybe some news sources are just catching up, but the latest updates I see are "suspected shooting" and "audience member reportedly shot". Kingsif (talk) 23:29, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait until more information comes out, then Support. Absolutely a notable and newsworthy event, but the article should be given the time it needs to develop. ArkHyena (talk) 23:37, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Confirmed shooting with multiple casualties. It looks like Trump was grazed by a bullet. This is massive news and the article is of adequate quality for posting. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:46, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hit with glass shrapnel from the teleprompter, apparently. So there was a shooting at a Trump rally, but it didn't involve Trump. Kingsif (talk) 23:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have a source for this? ꧁Zanahary꧂ 23:58, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Axios via Guardian, hasn't been removed or corrected as of now. Kingsif (talk) 00:02, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Seems unlikely given the teleprompter would have had to be behind him. Jevansen (talk) 00:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Axios via Guardian, hasn't been removed or corrected as of now. Kingsif (talk) 00:02, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Insanely bad take. I can't fathom the levels of bias necessary to suggest "there was a shooting ... but it didn't involve Trump." The Guardian citation doesn't support your interpretation. Dr Fell (talk) 00:34, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's best not to worry about what's going on in other editors' brains, and to instead focus your attention to the editorial decisions they make and influence. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 00:37, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Dr Fell and Zanahary: You both need to remember WP:NPA, remember this is not Twitter, and remember that there were many developments in reporting in the half hour between my and your comments. Kingsif (talk) 01:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Kingsif respectfully, I have not even grazed a personal attack. I told Dr Fell not to worry about any editor’s apparent bias, in favor of concerning themselves with the editorial decisions we have to make about this ITN item. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 01:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- In light of this, retracted. Kingsif (talk) 01:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Kingsif respectfully, I have not even grazed a personal attack. I told Dr Fell not to worry about any editor’s apparent bias, in favor of concerning themselves with the editorial decisions we have to make about this ITN item. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 01:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Dr Fell and Zanahary: You both need to remember WP:NPA, remember this is not Twitter, and remember that there were many developments in reporting in the half hour between my and your comments. Kingsif (talk) 01:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's best not to worry about what's going on in other editors' brains, and to instead focus your attention to the editorial decisions they make and influence. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 00:37, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have a source for this? ꧁Zanahary꧂ 23:58, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hit with glass shrapnel from the teleprompter, apparently. So there was a shooting at a Trump rally, but it didn't involve Trump. Kingsif (talk) 23:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait for more details to filter in and populate the article (besides rection kudzu). Its clearly an event to be posted but we aren't here to do breaking news, and instead should wait until we have a reasonable quality article. There is zero reason to rush to post. --Masem (t) 23:47, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support but wait for more details like how was the weapon smuggled into the rally? Also an audience member died, why isn’t that casualty in the alt blurb?
- Wafflefrites (talk) 23:53, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not re: your vote Wafflefrites, but just so you know: it seems that the shooter was on a rooftop outside the rally. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 00:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Casualties are already reported and this is major news, while the article is in good shape. Ppt91talk 23:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support I think we’ve gotten enough information to put this on the front page now. Estreyeria (talk) 23:58, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Holy shit. Bremps... 00:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support - this is a significant and recent news story Enoryt nwased lamaj (talk) 00:02, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note He was injured as a result of the shooting, there is (I haven't seen) as yet no confirmation that he was shot, so neither of the proposed blurb is okay as it stand. -- KTC (talk) 00:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support posting but Strong Oppose current blurb and alternative. Former President of the United States Donald Trump injured in assassination attempt at campaign rally in Butler, Pennsylvania. Dr Fell (talk) 00:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Not sure how else you can interpret this as anything other than an assassination attempt. Scu ba (talk) 00:19, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not up to Wikipedia editors to "interpret" an event. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is a tertiary source, and luckily we are not saddled with the task of interpreting events—only repeating the reports of reliable secondary sources. It'll become clear in the next few hours how sources are treating this (and I'll be surprised if it's not as an assassination attempt, considering the report I read about the local police investigating it as an attempt on DJT's life). ꧁Zanahary꧂ 00:40, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb3 This was an assassination attempt. "was injured" is ambiguous. — hako9 (talk) 00:24, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Assassination attempt or not, there's no question that one person was shot dead at an event involving a former U.S. president. As I write this the story at NY Times' website says "Trump ‘Safe’ After Shooting at Rally; Suspect Is Killed". This is a no brainer for main page. ☆ Bri (talk) 00:26, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support There’s no ambiguity around this shooting happening and being notable. CNN has already reported this is being investigated as an assassination attempt. Delay this further is absurd. Kcmastrpc (talk) 00:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support - No need to wait as article is cited and will grow as we speak. Morogris (✉ • ✎) 00:43, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Further international coverage, [3] from the ABC, who had a reporter on site, and who describes one of the dead as "the person who fired shots in the former president's direction". Elsewhere, the same page says "Associated Press is reporting that the shooting is being investigated as an assassination attempt", "Washington Post reporter Meryl Kornfield says authorities told her Mr Trump was grazed by gunfire", and our ambassador and former PM Kevin Rudd has released a statement regarding "the attack on former President Trump". Nyttend (talk) 00:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Incident itself has been confirmed. --DannyC55 (Talk) 00:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Posted. El_C 00:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait. Per @Masem. Also consider using File:Shooting of Donald Trump.webp. LuxembourgLover (talk) 00:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- This image cannot be used, as it is likely a copyrighted image, and not fair use. Natg 19 (talk) 00:55, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Wait for reasons stated above. We certainly cannot mention numbers at the moment, as they will quickly get outdated. Ornov Ganguly (talk) 00:58, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- We routinely post major events involving casualties, and then update the blurb as the facts warrant. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:22, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Blurb should be re-written to stick to the known facts. No investigative body has concluded that it's an assassination attempt, but they are investigating it as such. So the confirmed information: 2 dead, there was a shooting, Trump was injured, they're inestigating it as an assassination attempt. Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I think outright labelling it as an assassination attempt is projection on Wikipedia's part. I don't think any reliable sources have labelled it as such. Even the article itself just says it is being "investigated as an assassination attempt" but doesn't outright label it an assassination attempt. At the very least the blurb should reflect what is written in the article it is relating to. RahelTensions (talk) 01:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Change blurb to ALT2 per @Harizotoh9. Even though it is fairly obvious that it was an assassination attempt this has not been confirmed and RS have only said it's being investigated as an assassination attempt, not that it was. ALT2 reflects the current facts of the situation. Jbvann05 01:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oh and there were two confirmed deaths so the Alt2 blurb is out of date already. One rally attendee and the shooter. Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:43, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- I've softened to possible assassination attempt, for now. El_C 01:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- FBI confirms assassination attempt. Was gonna omit
possible, but it looks like Ad Orientem beat me to it. El_C 05:23, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- FBI confirms assassination attempt. Was gonna omit
- I've softened to possible assassination attempt, for now. El_C 01:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oh and there were two confirmed deaths so the Alt2 blurb is out of date already. One rally attendee and the shooter. Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:43, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb2 As per Jbvann then swap back to altblurb3 when confirmed. Sharrdx (talk) 03:15, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Change blurb to Alt2 Mentioning that someone was killed makes it the best description of what happened. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 02:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Change blurb to Alt3 Associated Press says shooting being investigated as assassination attempt. [1] CoatCheck (talk) 02:40, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Change to Altblurb2 "investigated as an assassination attempt" =/= "confirmed assassination attempt." Goal and motive still not know, so we should avoid assuming on what it is. Unless we get a RS stating that it's not just being "investigated as an assassination attempt" but outright declared as one, the ITN should not claim it as such. Nottheking (talk) 05:26, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- The FBI specifically called it an assassination attempt. RahelTensions (talk) 05:40, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The incident is obviously interesting and in the news but it doesn't seem sufficiently certain, settled and stable to be suitable for presentation as an encyclopedia article. Issues include:
- Biden and Trump are both continually in the news as the presidential campaign progresses. For example, Biden's gaffes and the pressure on him to retire have been all over the news lately. It seems difficult to cherry-pick particular incidents in a balanced way and so the whole thing better belongs in Ongoing.
- The article about the incident is still a work-in-progress. For example, it currently uses a powerful image as fair use but the validity of this copyright issue is contested and unresolved.
- The incident is a crime but investigations are not yet complete. For example, the BBC reports that the shooter was spotted crawling into position minutes ahead of the shooting but nothing was done. The article does not yet explain this.
- There's already a big cloud of social media speculation, disinformation and misinformation out there which muddies the waters.
- We really don't need Donald Trump's smiling picture on the main page once again.
- Andrew🐉(talk) 06:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- If 'In the news' covered everyday campaign news, concern about cherry-picking events in a balanced way would be justified. Certain events within the presidential campaign are independently newsworthy. An assassination attempt on a former president and current presidential candidate is a significant (and likely historical) event.
- Featuring relevant and timely news often means linking to articles that are neither settled nor stable. The article is unambiguously flagged as a current event.
- You've repeated your concern about developing stories featuring in 'In the news.' The utility of 'In the news' is reduced for users if articles are only featured once they have matured.
- On the contrary, featuring this story helps combat social media speculation, disinformation, and misinformation by offering readers a fact-based resource.
- Your last point significantly weakens the preceding four.
- Dr Fell (talk) 17:51, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- ITN has moved on and so these points are mostly moot now. But the red link for Dr Fell is a nice puzzle and I fancy I have a solution. Now that's encyclopædic – well done! Andrew🐉(talk) 20:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support We recently posted Robert Fico’s assassination attempt, so it’s sensible to post a similar event involving a former US president and a clear front-runner in this year’s election. Yes, it seems like we post a lot of news about him, but we’re closely approaching the election and the next news to post should be his victory.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:43, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Slightly jumping ahead of the electoral process there, aren't you? GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:51, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- The user did jump the gun a bit, but I have a gut feeling that Trump's face is going to get on ITN at least six more times before he dies (win or lose this election) then again after he does. Bremps... 12:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I now support the posting (although I don't think we need the picture - it's still not related to the story). It was the 'should be his victory' part that seems wildly premature! GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:47, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- The user did jump the gun a bit, but I have a gut feeling that Trump's face is going to get on ITN at least six more times before he dies (win or lose this election) then again after he does. Bremps... 12:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Slightly jumping ahead of the electoral process there, aren't you? GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:51, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
KP Sharma Oli becomes PM of Nepal
Blurb: KP Sharma Oli (pictured) is appointed Prime Minister of Nepal following the ouster of incumbent Pushpa Kamal Dahal in a no confidence motion. (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg
Credits:
- Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)
- Updated by MAL MALDIVE (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
-. Rushtheedtior (talk) 16:39, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle but oppose inasmuch as it doesn't have any mention of the change in the article This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Currently, the article for the new PM doesn't actually mention him becoming the PM (for the current term), so this needs to be updated. Gödel2200 (talk) 23:29, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support as the above concerns have been addressed ꧁Zanahary꧂ 23:35, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is well-sourced and of sufficient quality for ITN --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:24, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Many very reliable authentic citations and sources in an article of sufficient quality, like above. 64.251.82.42 (talk) 02:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Notable enough Scu ba (talk) 02:29, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Notable and of passable quality. Deprecated controversy section, but oh well, nothing's perfect. Bremps... 04:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: I believe that this is ready for posting. Bremps... 12:01, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The target article still does not have any prose about him becoming prime minister. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:04, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Has anyone actually looked at the bolded article before requesting this is posted. Not a mention of 2024 activities leading to his 4th term. Stephen 12:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose article needs more info on 2024 as per Stephen. Also violates WP:Controversy section. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:01, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support An article about a notable event, with well-sourced citations, and which is a good quality article. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:4DE:B079:824F:421A (talk) 20:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article updated with information leading to current premiership. Nepalaya001 (talk) 01:38, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Richard Simmons
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News
Credits:
- Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)
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Mooonswimmer 20:50, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support - American notable celebrity. Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:57, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Notability isn't a requirement for RD, only death blurbs (though I won't touch that third rail any further...) Only article quality matters for RD. Bremps... 04:16, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- RIP Richard Simmons. As for the RD nomination, the article needs a few more citations before it's ready to be on the main page. Kurtis (talk) 21:15, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on article quality alone. It needs a great deal of work. Simmons is certainly notable enough. Challenger l (talk) 23:11, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- RD doesn't discriminate by notability, much like the Grim Reaper himself. Unless, of course, the subject is so non-notable that they shouldn't have a page, but that's neither here nor there. Bremps... 04:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Richard Simmons: "Please don’t rain on my parade." 🤣🤣🤣Count Iblis (talk) 23:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
July 12
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RD: Tonke Dragt
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NOS
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:8C6E:5302:D3E9:4A7A (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Deathisallaroundus (talk · give credit)
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Dutch children's author and illustrator. 240F:7A:6253:1:8C6E:5302:D3E9:4A7A (talk) 01:44, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Only a few uncited statements holding this back. Bremps... 06:25, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Bill Viola
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ARTnews
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:8C6E:5302:D3E9:4A7A (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
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American contemporary video artist. 240F:7A:6253:1:8C6E:5302:D3E9:4A7A (talk) 01:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Several uncited statements. Bremps... 06:26, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support have referenced the uncited statements. yorkshiresky (talk) 19:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Ruth Westheimer
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post, Times of Israel, NPR
Credits:
- Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
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Support, but some issues remain, but close She's pretty close, but likely there's missing sources or some other issues. However, she should be ready soon. TheCorriynial (talk) 18:44, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Picture/blurb I'm in the UK and just heard a BBC news bulletin announce her death. I was already familiar with her large reputation and feel that she's a good example of the celebrity for which an RD picture is appropriate. A blurb would be good too, to explain to unfamiliar readers how and why she was so influential. Note also that the article is substantial, has a high quality rating, 175 inline citations and a huge bibliography.
- Also, we should run this as Dr. Ruth per WP:COMMONNAME.
- Andrew🐉(talk) 19:16, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Strong support Death was very newsworthy in numerous international sources. With respect to the listing name, I agree commonname applies, but would propose Dr. Ruth Westheimer which would provide more adequate detail and clarification. I'll also propose the following as a blurb to further that discussion, however I am not sure if a blurb is necessarily called for here:
- "Radio and television celebrity sex therapist, Dr. Ruth Westheimer, dies at age 96 in Manhattan."
With or without blurb, definitely a strong candidate for inclusion.Bgv. (talk) 19:54, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support - No blurb - "American celebrity dies" should go to RD. Harizotoh9 (talk) 22:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support for RD - article looks thoroughly sourced. Challenger l (talk) 23:11, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Photo RD More known by name than face, but the photo seems to be the whole point of an otherwise superfluous blurb for some (and the currently posted smiley makes little sense in its context). InedibleHulk (talk) 04:22, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Requests I've cleaned up most of the citation overkill, but
She appeared on the BBC radio show Desert Island Discs in 1990, on The Arsenio Hall Show once in 1990, once in 1991, once in 1993, and once in 1994, on The Howard Stern Show once in 1991, on Late Night with Conan O'Brien once in 1994, twice in 1995, three times in 1996, and once in 1997, on The Daily Show once in 1998, and was featured in a Celebrity Deathmatch episode in 1999.[111][112][113][114][115][116]
is prohibitively clunky. Anyone more skilled want to try? Maybe get the Accolades in chronological order? InedibleHulk (talk) 05:06, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Billy Ibadulla
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Warwickshire County Cricket Club obit
Credits:
- Nominated by Schwede66 (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
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Death announced on 12 July. Article will need further updates to make it ready. Schwede66 23:54, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Sourcing looks good, but the article seems short to me. Challenger l (talk) 23:11, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- There are currently 600+ words of prose in this wikibio. More than long enough to not be considered a stub. --PFHLai (talk) 01:44, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
July 11
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RD: Monte Kiffin
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:
- Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
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NFL coach. Needs some work. Natg 19 (talk) 00:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. Several citations are still required. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 03:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose There's some WP:PEACOCK which has been disputed on the talk page without resolution for fifteen years. And the article is just rated Start class. A reasonable picture though. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:00, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Aparna (television presenter)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4] [5]
Credits:
- Nominated by Mwwv (talk · give credit)
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Indian anchor and actress. mwwv converse∫edits 18:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready; many citations are missing. Schwede66 21:32, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Shelley Duvall
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by Vacant0 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by FloorMadeOuttaFloor (talk · give credit)
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- Support, notable actor with major role in The Shining, no issues with article. 5.57.241.186 (talk) 16:34, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose there are a lot of unsourced lines. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support once typical missing refs are fixed. Kcmastrpc (talk) 18:17, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Notable enough, good article quality. --NoonIcarus (talk) 20:08, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- NoonIcarus, please note that notability is NOT one of the criteria for a recent death posting. All that matters is article quality. Schwede66 21:13, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Conditional support -- still a few uncited film credits / one "unreliable source" tag to fix; support once those are good.~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 21:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support now -- no more citation needed tags. There is that one "unreliable source?" tag but it seems reasonably good. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 16:43, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support once fixed. Spotted a few more paragraphs that need citations. Apart from that, no issues found. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 03:49, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Picture Just the name didn't do it for me as initially I was confusing it with other Shelleys like Winters and Long. We have a PD picture which is quite recognisable and so we should use it. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:32, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- We don't do picture RDs, but go ahead and propose it if you want. Natg 19 (talk) 06:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- We've posted a picture RD more than once. For example, see Kirk Douglas. And it's good to do this because otherwise we keep running the same picture day after day. For example, we're 12 days into the month but we've only posted 4 different pictures. Changing the picture every day like the other main page sections ought to be our goal and using RD pics is an easy way of achieving this. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:01, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- This was four years ago, and I don't think we need to open another front of endless debate. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:13, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- We've posted a picture RD more than once. For example, see Kirk Douglas. And it's good to do this because otherwise we keep running the same picture day after day. For example, we're 12 days into the month but we've only posted 4 different pictures. Changing the picture every day like the other main page sections ought to be our goal and using RD pics is an easy way of achieving this. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:01, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- There is already a discussion about this on the talk page, and unless there is a consensus to do picture RDs, there is no point asking for this. Natg 19 (talk) 16:17, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- The general consensus of the talk page discussion seems to be that picture RDs are a good idea and should be posted when appropriate. So let's get on with it – nothing ventured, nothing gained. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:40, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. Kcmastrpc (talk) 18:46, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- The general consensus of the talk page discussion seems to be that picture RDs are a good idea and should be posted when appropriate. So let's get on with it – nothing ventured, nothing gained. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:40, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- There is already a discussion about this on the talk page, and unless there is a consensus to do picture RDs, there is no point asking for this. Natg 19 (talk) 16:17, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- We don't do picture RDs, but go ahead and propose it if you want. Natg 19 (talk) 06:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Article appears to be in a good shape now. Kcmastrpc (talk) 18:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nope, the article has several unsourced paragraphs. Nowhere close to being ready. Masem (t) 23:16, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support - She was big in the 70's and 80's, and starred in several very well known films. Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:56, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Photo RD (in due time) As Andrew notes, there are other famous acting Shelleys, but none with that face; could also possibly appease those who don't think Pezeshkian earned his spot freely and/or fairly. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- What happened to the time-tested "Old Man/Woman Died" argument? Seems not to apply to pictures, I guess... Khuft (talk) 15:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Given that there are no normal blurbs in the queue that are likely to be posted and/or lack a photo themselves, this seems like a reasonable case to include a photo for the RD. However, I stress the article is nowhere close to being ready for posting due to lack of sourcing on several paragraphs. --Masem (t) 23:29, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD only Not sure why she is more deserving of a picture than others currently on the RD docket. Her fame rests basically on one movie, and the cult following it has attracted. Article looks fine for me. Khuft (talk) 15:49, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support picture rd Since we don't seem to have a picture for the French Election, this should be fine until the euros final tomorrow (because we will certainly have a picture for that). Sharrdx (talk) 16:35, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Quite a few sentences in the 1980s section are unsourced, so it is still not ready. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:40, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: David Liederman
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Speakfor23 (talk · give credit)
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Staraction (talk | contribs) 06:11, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - lots of cn tags and redlinks. Also the RD occurred on July 4, and per WP:ITN, we generally go by the date of the event. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 21:00, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment – it seems his death has only been announced within the last 24 hours. The nominator should comment on that when that happens, though. Schwede66 21:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Got it -- still oppose for missing citations, but take this as a support once those have been fixed. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 21:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies for the confusion @Malvoliox @Schwede66, I normally nominate on the death date but this time the source gave a vague "on Thursday"; since the NYT article was last updated on Thursday, July 11, I assumed it was July 11th and nominated it there. Staraction (talk | contribs) 03:32, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment – it seems his death has only been announced within the last 24 hours. The nominator should comment on that when that happens, though. Schwede66 21:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - lots of cn tags and redlinks. Also the RD occurred on July 4, and per WP:ITN, we generally go by the date of the event. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 21:00, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Three {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 01:11, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Nana Nuriana
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Juxlos (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Former governor in Indonesia. Juxlos (talk) 03:06, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support, with AGF for the offline Indonesian source backing up what it claims to back up. Schwede66 21:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 00:43, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
July 10
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RD: Thomas Hoepker
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
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RD: Peter Steedman
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://tributes.theage.com.au/obituaries/515066/alan-peter-pete-steedman/?r=https://tributes.theage.com.au/obituaries/theage-au/
Credits:
- Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)
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Student activist and Ratbag Australian politician from the 1980s, known for wearing jeans and a leather jacket into Parliament. HiLo48 (talk) 11:25, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Dave Loggins
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline, Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:D121:B15C:C03A:6F95 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TenPoundHammer (talk · give credit)
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American singer-songwriter. 240F:7A:6253:1:D121:B15C:C03A:6F95 (talk) 04:00, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Good to go. Let's roll. Bremps... 04:53, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- The career section needs more sources for all the namedropping. The third table in the Discography section is also completely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 01:16, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Joe Engle
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Space.com
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:D121:B15C:C03A:6F95 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Randy Kryn (talk · give credit) and Abebenjoe (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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NASA astronaut. 240F:7A:6253:1:D121:B15C:C03A:6F95 (talk) 03:28, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support, for RD, of course. Engle was the last of the 12 X-15 pilots (a big deal) and the astronaut who was scheduled to walk on the Moon on Apollo 17 but was replaced by a geologist (after Apollo 18 was canceled). Among the two Space Shuttle missions he commanded was the project's second flight. Engle is one of spaceflight's pioneers. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:44, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support for RD. Article is generally in good shape. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 07:39, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD. well written and cited. Good citation on death ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 19:08, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Article is in great shape; easily meriting its B-class rating. (and probably not far off from GA) Kind of a shocker this hasn't been posted yet. It's pretty clearly ready for it, and it's nice to have more decent-quality articles in RD. Nottheking (talk) 08:17, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support There was an effort (Wikipedia:WikiProject Spaceflight/Adopt an astronaut) a few years back to get the astronaut articles up to GA or better, but we only got as far as the 1963 class. We got groups 1 thru 7 to B class though. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 10:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support as per Nottheking, how has this not been posted yet? Sharrdx (talk) 16:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Benji Gregory
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People, Deadline
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:A864:DA97:9C83:9E71 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Johndavies837 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American actor. He was found dead on June 13, but his death was announced on this day. 240F:7A:6253:1:A864:DA97:9C83:9E71 (talk) 03:13, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready with regards to referencing. Schwede66 06:07, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Played the boy in ALF. I know some people know and others would find out. But some don't or won't. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:27, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Maxine Singer
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Kseses14 (talk · give credit)
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Article updated and well sourced. Death announced on this day. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Don't see any issues, solid B-class (or maybe even GA) article in my opinion. Bremps... 23:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Other than an unreferenced date of birth, that looks solid. Schwede66 06:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Now fixed; support since article looks good. Staraction (talk | contribs) 06:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks good! Estreyeria (talk) 13:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 23:06, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
July 9
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RD: Dan Collins (journalist)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
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Staraction (talk | contribs) 03:28, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. The article is a stub and needs a lot of expansion. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 03:52, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Can't see any issues. Bremps... 08:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Diana Hill
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Diana Hill obituary
Credits:
- Nominated by Schwede66 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Paora (talk · give credit) and DrThneed (talk · give credit)
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New Zealand academic, and a full professor at the University of Otago. Article looks ok. Schwede66 04:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article is sufficiently well-sourced. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I was trying to polish up the page for main-page posting, but couldn't find any images of her, let alone free-use ones. Anyone more skilled want to try and take a whack at it? Bremps... 23:52, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I came to the same conclusion; must have been a very camera-shy person. Schwede66 03:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Check the article. I fashion myself an OSINT expert now. Bremps... 22:15, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Good one, Bremps! Schwede66 00:35, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Check the article. I fashion myself an OSINT expert now. Bremps... 22:15, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- I came to the same conclusion; must have been a very camera-shy person. Schwede66 03:57, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 22:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 03:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Ariane 6
Blurb: Ariane 6 makes a successful maiden flight. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Gödel2200 (talk · give credit)
The launch was initially planned for 2020, but was postponed until today. Gödel2200 (talk) 21:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Note that the flight was only mostly successful, with the upper-stage re-entry burn not taking place as scheduled. --Carnildo (talk) 22:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The article doesn't include any details on the launch except to say that it occurred. In more than one instance the tense hasn't even been updated to show that the launch is now in the past. If we're going to blurb this we need to include at least some prose on the details of the maiden launch, what succeeded, what failed, etc. Otherwise I believe the maiden launch of a space vehicle (especially a major one from a government agency like ESA) is ITNR so support once the article is fixed. 142.163.137.123 (talk) 00:02, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Maiden launches of rockets are not ITN/R, only the first launch by a country is. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, upper stage appears to have failed a relight per ESA livestream. Worth mentioning in blurb? [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 02:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Lean oppose on notability I can't recall any precedent on "new type of rocket is launched", and could see this right on the borderline of trivia. I could well be wrong though. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:39, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- It was ITNR until last year. -- KTC (talk) 19:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- That it was removed suggests consensus against posting such things going forward This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's a consensus that we'll judge each posting on its notability merit rather than assume merit and post every time (so long as quality of article). Removal from ITNR is not a "we'll never post it again". Your initial comment appears to suggest that you think new rocket type launch isn't something we post at all and that it's "borderline of trivia". The support for removal from ITNR are based on the increasing number of new rockets types launches with the advent of commercial space exploration/launches. Ariane isn't one of those commercial development/launch. It's a replacement of the workhorse launch system for the 22-member intergovernmental European Space Agency. -- KTC (talk) 08:08, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- That it was removed suggests consensus against posting such things going forward This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- It was ITNR until last year. -- KTC (talk) 19:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now, the flight itself (Ariane flight VA262) doesn't have its own article yet, which is a bit suboptimal. It did successfully send its payload to orbit, so it should be notable enough as a maiden flight (better than the perennial Starship test flights). Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, having an article about the flight would be nice. I don't want us to end up with the same result as the German Wikipedia, who currently have the same blurb in their version of "in the news", with a link to the article about de:Ariane 6 that barely mentions the maiden launch with a single sentence. I don't want to mock the German Wikipedia, but this rocket was largely developed in Germany, and if not even de:Liste der Ariane-6-Raketenstarts has anything to say about how the flight went, I find that quite sad. Renerpho (talk) 03:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as nominated, since the launch wasn't really a "success", but would support with modifications. It did send its payload to orbit, it just failed to then de-orbit the second stage, which really is the main new innovation of the Da Vinci upper stage compared to what Ariane 5 did. I have no concerns about notability, just about how to put it into a neutral blurb. Renerpho (talk) 03:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- ESA put a lot of weight on their "zero debris" policy, and on how Vinci was a big step in that direction. Even if the problem with this launch doesn't affect plans for the future (which remains to be seen), putting 600 kg of debris into an orbit that will need decades to decay doesn't look like a success to me. With how the news cycle is working, I'd wait until it is day again in Europe and in the US, to see if the news actually lean towards success, or failure. Renerpho (talk) 03:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- My local paper's article (mostly a reprint of one in the Orlando Sentinel) managed to avoid calling it either a "success" or a "failure". --Carnildo (talk) 06:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Cowards. Renerpho (talk) 10:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- My local paper's article (mostly a reprint of one in the Orlando Sentinel) managed to avoid calling it either a "success" or a "failure". --Carnildo (talk) 06:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- ESA put a lot of weight on their "zero debris" policy, and on how Vinci was a big step in that direction. Even if the problem with this launch doesn't affect plans for the future (which remains to be seen), putting 600 kg of debris into an orbit that will need decades to decay doesn't look like a success to me. With how the news cycle is working, I'd wait until it is day again in Europe and in the US, to see if the news actually lean towards success, or failure. Renerpho (talk) 03:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - this would be more supportable if the article linked on the target page for the "maiden flight" existed - Ariane flight VA262. Nfitz (talk) 12:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I am not convinced by the current state of the article that this merits posting, as it does not look ready. Almost more text is devoted to this launchdate being delayed, than to a description of the flight itself. Said description is completely limited to a table entry. Needs work. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle - I would fully support this if the article was up to par, but the launch itself doesn't have it's own article, and the main A6 article only has a small exerpt in launch history regarding it. This is exciting though; Arianespace is a major player in launch vehicles. qw3rty 14:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose nothing notable or significant about this launch. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:21, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Joe Bonsall
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard
Credits:
- Nominated by Rawmustard (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Tenor of the Oak Ridge Boys. rawmustard (talk) 17:40, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is nowhere near ready. Schwede66 05:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Some improvements but still tagged for uncited statements. Bremps... 23:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Jim Inhofe
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Staraction (talk | contribs) 16:13, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support, given Inhofe was notable for both representing Oklahoma for decades and climate change denial. I would wait until the article has been finished being edited, given Inhofe recently died, but Inhofe merits inclusion in RD. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 16:28, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Curbon7 (talk) 05:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Heaps of orange maintenance tags. Schwede66 05:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready: Page has a lot of orange maintenance tags. Once does are gone I'll support it. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 19:23, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - At least a half dozen orange tags need to be dealt with. Jusdafax (talk) 00:13, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Andrejs Plakans
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRA.lv
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Pirags (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Latvian American historian. Thriley (talk) 14:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Career section is mostly a list of positions, but does not have much detail about the subject's research career. SpencerT•C 02:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
RD: Marina Kondratyeva
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bolshoi
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit) and Celjski Grad (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Russian ballerina. Thriley (talk) 18:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Leading ballerina of the Bolshoi Ballet, famous as the "airy" Giselle, who received gala events from the company on her birthdays. I'll give her more refs but not right now, also asked a speaker of Russian for help. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: 1 sentence that needs a ref but otherwise appropriate depth, essentially ready. SpencerT•C 21:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- With 500+ words of prose, this wikibio is more than long enough to qualify. Footnotes can be found at expected spots (except one spot about her 2013 appointment to the artistic council of the Bolshoi Ballet troupe). Formatting looks fine. Earwig has no complaints. This wikibio looks READY FOR RD (once the lone {cn} tag is addressed). --PFHLai (talk) 21:32, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Women's high-jump WR
Blurb: In athletics, Yaroslava Mahuchikh breaks the 37-year-old women's high-jump world record (Post)
Alternative blurb: Yaroslava Mahuchikh breaks the women's high-jump world record with 2.10 m, which had not been broken for 37 years.
News source(s): AP
One of the longest-standing records in athletics, from 1987. Women's high jump world record progression 81.196.30.56 (talk) 01:56, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose provincial sports trivia This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- You don't seem to understand what "world" means. HiLo48 (talk) 02:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- A world record is the exact opposite of a provincial story. Stephen 02:40, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is a notable world record which has been unbroken for 37 years. I've added an altblurb to reduce ambiguity. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb1 article is in good condition, and it's notable because of how long the record stood; the altblurb reduces ambiguity, so that's why I prefer it over the original blurb. Unknown-Tree🌲? (talk) 05:29, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Altblurb article is in a good shape and breaking decades old record is blurbworthy. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle. Article is also in good shape.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:56, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Issues There are several issues with this:
- The target article doesn't have much of an update and has lots of uncited facts.
- Another athletics world record was broken at the same event – see Guardian
- This was a warm-up for the Olympics which we're about to run. I suppose more world records will be broken at that.
- The record has not been ratified and there can be technical objections.
- There are so many sports with so many stats that records are broken all the time. For example, Lewis Hamilton won the British Grand Prix on Sunday which extended his record of wins and was the first time a driver had won a race for the ninth time. At Wimbledon, there's an new amazing record. There was a recent record at the Tour de France which we didn't run. And so on...
- Andrew🐉(talk) 07:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- From above "This is a notable world record which has been unbroken for 37 years." HiLo48 (talk) 07:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Jumping as high as possible is probably a much more mainstream world record than having the most
victories in which the winning tennis player came back from two sets to zero
. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 08:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)- The cycling record had lasted for 55 years but we still didn't post it. These numbers seem fairly arbitrary and there will tend to be a natural plateau as sports are established and become mature. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC) (edit conflict)
- If more people here understood Le Tour, we would have posted that cycling record, but comments made it obvious too many didn't and weren't interested in learning. HiLo48 (talk) 09:21, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is clearly less notable than Cavendish's record, as high jump has less news coverage than Le Tour. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:21, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- If more people here understood Le Tour, we would have posted that cycling record, but comments made it obvious too many didn't and weren't interested in learning. HiLo48 (talk) 09:21, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- The cycling record had lasted for 55 years but we still didn't post it. These numbers seem fairly arbitrary and there will tend to be a natural plateau as sports are established and become mature. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC) (edit conflict)
- Comment The article needs a couple of references, especially in the awards sections (the awards articles are cited so this is easy to fix), and some sentences in the prose also need sources. Other than that, all fine. If I remember correctly, we post breaking of long-standing records in athletics, as well as breaking of 100m and marathon whenever they happen (been a while since Usain Bolt but marathon got broken a couple of times in the past decade). --Tone 08:26, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- I would be happy to support featuring this if the update was more extensive. I'd expect more details than
"she broke the world record (2.10 metres) in high jump at the Wanda Diamond League in Paris."
I imagine she didn't use a particularly different technique or anything, but surely we can write something about the five-second moment in which she made history? Perhaps even just an interview quote about how she felt about it? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)- I used to write extensive updates on world records in athletics but got fully disparaged after an unfortunate discussion last year, so I decided to give up on it indefinitely because there's simply no point to produce content that some people don't value.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:58, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- That discussion last year was a very similar case – two world records being broken at the Meeting de Paris. We have a full article for this event – 2024 Meeting de Paris – which is more substantial and would make a better target than just one of the athletes. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- I am very sad to hear this. This was exactly what I was worried about. I have been active on this front-page feature because I hoped it would inspire people to write more detailed articles, but instead it only demotivates people who put the work in... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:13, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- I used to write extensive updates on world records in athletics but got fully disparaged after an unfortunate discussion last year, so I decided to give up on it indefinitely because there's simply no point to produce content that some people don't value.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:58, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose both on WP:ITNSIGNIF and WP:ITNQUALITY. Many world records get broken frequently and don't very often meet the significance to get posted- this has way less media coverage than Mark Cavendish breaking the Tour de France record last week, which didn't get consensus to post. And Mahuchikh's article and 2024 Meeting de Paris each have 2 sentences about it, which is not enough to meet the quality threshold. Picking this world record over any others (including the other one broken at the same event) would be arbitrary as it hasn't demonstrated enough coverage. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, "Many world records get broken frequently", but this one hasn't been. That sort of comment suggests you haven't read the previous discussion. It's quite unhelpful, AND irrelevant! 10:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HiLo48 (talk • contribs)
- Over its complete history of 102 years, the average time between changes to this particular record seems to be about two years. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- But this time it was 37 years!!!!!!!!!!!! You have, in fact, just highlighted why this record SHOULD be posted HiLo48 (talk) 23:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unsigned user comment- you have clearly ignored the fact that I pointed out this has not gained significant news coverage as needed for WP:ITNSIGNIF. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Over its complete history of 102 years, the average time between changes to this particular record seems to be about two years. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, "Many world records get broken frequently", but this one hasn't been. That sort of comment suggests you haven't read the previous discussion. It's quite unhelpful, AND irrelevant! 10:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HiLo48 (talk • contribs)
- Weak oppose I don't really have much of a stance on the notability of this event, though only two sentences of an update seems too little to get a blurb. Gödel2200 (talk) 11:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment In 2014 we posted breaking of 20-years old record in men's pole vault. Now the record was unbeaten for almost twice as long. --Jona☎ 13:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Andrew and Joseph; this doesn't have nearly enough coverage or significance to warrant posting on ITN. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose how many sports disciplines are there? a few hundreds at least, right? And each presumably keeps track of more than 1 record. so what makes this any special? "one of the longest standing in athletics" doesnt cut it for me, esp given that it was achieved not that logn ago. I'd presume most records would have stopped around late 80-s if it wasnt for doping Kasperquickly (talk) 16:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as not sufficiently significant. JoseJan89 (talk) 18:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support Altblurb For those saying the target articles need more updating, one is just an index of the previous records, and the other about the actual athlete contains several mentions of this new achievement. Not sure where else we'd need to add more in order to post. Schwinnspeed (talk) 22:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support, a major legacy track and field record, no woman has ever jumped this high in open competition. Notable per time between record holders. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:48, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I'm generally biased against sports-related blurbs but I don't think this is important enough. The coverage seems pretty routine. Johndavies837 (talk) 01:29, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support if the blurb targets Women's high jump world record progression, which is what the story is about. Banedon (talk) 03:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- There's no prose there at all, just data. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 06:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle - I think comparisons with the Tour de France stages record are unfair. In the high jump, you jump high. That's the objective. If you jump higher than anyone else in the competition, you win, and if you jump higher than anyone before, that's unambiguously the record. In the Tour de France, you're aiming for the lowest cumulative time, not the number of individual stages won. That's not to say the stages record isn't interesting (it is) or a great achievement (it is), but it's not raising the worldwide standard for the thing the contest actually measures, and this high jump record is. We also don't often post high jump and other athletics, relative to other sports, so it's a welcome bit of focus. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yet another support vote that completely ignores WP:ITNQUALITY- there is no article with a good enough update on this, because this WR only warrants 2 sentences in articles. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- My apologies. I have updated my !vote to be clearer. GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment all these support votes are missing WP:ITNQUALITY: Yaroslava Mahuchikh has orange tagged sections, Women's high jump world record progression is just tables and uses one source (I have orange tagged it for that), 2024 Meeting de Paris has half a sentence on this world record. Regardless of the questionable WP:ITNSIGNIF, nobody has suggested a valid target article that meets ITNQUALITY by having a large update on this event and the article being good enough. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This is only an improvement on the previous record by 1 cm (2.10 vs 2.09 m). Yes, its technically a new world's record, but it seems such a trivial gain in the larger picture. I also tend to agree that with as many track and field events and their individual records, its probably better to focus on the event and records broken rather than a singular one, unless that clearly smashed the previous record. --Masem (t) 12:07, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose I would support this if we weren't about to have the Olympics. I'm basically neutral, though, because there is a decent chance this will have rolled off in two weeks when we do post that. Kingsif (talk) 22:39, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Admin comment As long as the article has an orange maintenance tag, it's not going to hit the main page. Beyond that, I don't see consensus to post at this point anyway. Schwede66 05:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Question: As an Admin ddo you judge quality of comments? Some of the opposing arguments here are simply appalling and illogical HiLo48 (talk) 01:15, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Absolutely I do, HiLo48. Schwede66 04:18, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- I can't speak for Schwede, nor am I an administrator, but I believe administrators are bound to honoring community consensus regardless of their personal opinion on the merits of the prevailing argument. For instance, administrator XYZ could find it ridiculous that people are arguing against the notability of a new record in the high jump (as you evidently do, and I personally agree that it is a notable record and worthy of a blurb), but if the overall consensus ultimately disagrees with XYZ's perspective, then XYZ has to accept and respect that. To do otherwise is to supervote, which goes against the decision-making process of the Wikipedia community and can be grounds for censure or even sanction.
Having said that, there are exceptions to this rule—for instance, when the consensus among participants in a discussion goes against widely-accepted Wikipedia policy. Say, for instance, a musician has an article listing each of their unreleased songs. The article is nominated for deletion for being "cruft" and people cite things like "WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE" as a rationale for deletion. The consensus among participants is to delete, but the problem is that their rationales do not align with Wikipedia's inclusion policy; besides, the list itself is both well-written and adequately sourced, and was actually designated as a featured article at the time of the nomination. On that basis, the closing administrator determined that there was no consensus to delete the article despite the preponderance of votes against its inclusion, and his decision was upheld at WP:DRV. This is not a hypothetical situation, by the way—this was exactly what happened at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of unreleased Britney Spears songs. Yes, that discussion happened nearly 12 full years ago, but the principles adhered to at the time of its closure remain applicable today. Kurtis (talk) 05:13, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Bur what we have here is a record that hadn't been broken for 37 years with somebody arguing against it because on average such records are broken every two years. That simply not logical, and must be ignored. HiLo48 (talk) 05:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC) HiLo48 (talk) 05:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- At this time of year, the breaking of sporting records seems to be a daily occurrence. I gave a few examples above and, in my own casual viewing since then, I've noticed youngest-ever goalscorer in men’s major tournament history and Wimbledon's longest women's semifinal. And public interest in those records seems significantly greater than the high jump one. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:59, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Given that this one hadn't been broken for 37 years, surely you can see how irrelevant that comment is. HiLo48 (talk) 07:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- The previous youngest goal scorer was Pelé in 1958, so that's 66 years ago. Is the number of years significant? What's the magic number? Andrew🐉(talk) 08:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- @HiLo48 and Schwede66: I'm going to disagree on the notion expressed above that admins should "judge the quality of comments" when assessing ITN consensus. Unlike other areas such as AFD and RM, where there are clearly-defined policies and guidelines at play, and closing admins use those as a lens through which to view the discussion, ITN has basically no rules. Other than quality requirements and those labelled as WP:ITN/R, and I suppose a basic requirement that a topic must be "in the news" there are no guidelines as to what is and isn't posted, and each story is judged by participants on its own merits. Ultimately, if editors aren't supporting this by giving it a clear majority of support votes then it won't be posted, regardless of how important you personally think it is. — Amakuru (talk) 08:45, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- I do disregard votes likes "provincial sports trivia"; stuff that is without any basis of fact. Why would I give any weight to that? Schwede66 10:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
"ITN has basically no rules."
Well, that explains a lot. Kurtis (talk) 10:37, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- @HiLo48 and Schwede66: I'm going to disagree on the notion expressed above that admins should "judge the quality of comments" when assessing ITN consensus. Unlike other areas such as AFD and RM, where there are clearly-defined policies and guidelines at play, and closing admins use those as a lens through which to view the discussion, ITN has basically no rules. Other than quality requirements and those labelled as WP:ITN/R, and I suppose a basic requirement that a topic must be "in the news" there are no guidelines as to what is and isn't posted, and each story is judged by participants on its own merits. Ultimately, if editors aren't supporting this by giving it a clear majority of support votes then it won't be posted, regardless of how important you personally think it is. — Amakuru (talk) 08:45, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- The previous youngest goal scorer was Pelé in 1958, so that's 66 years ago. Is the number of years significant? What's the magic number? Andrew🐉(talk) 08:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Bur what we have here is a record that hadn't been broken for 37 years with somebody arguing against it because on average such records are broken every two years. That simply not logical, and must be ignored. HiLo48 (talk) 05:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC) HiLo48 (talk) 05:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Question: As an Admin ddo you judge quality of comments? Some of the opposing arguments here are simply appalling and illogical HiLo48 (talk) 01:15, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability. A particularly long-standing world record in women's track and field, in one of the original Olympic disciplines. Nsk92 (talk) 13:15, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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