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August 18
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August 18, 2024
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RD: Franciszek Smuda
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SF-WP (in Polish)
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Big name in Polish football, internationally best known as the Poland national manager when hosting Euro 2012. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose mutiple cn tags and Honours section needs more sourcing. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
RD / blurb: Alain Delon
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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I'm personally inclined for a blurb here. Name a French actor and he would be there. Brandmeistertalk 07:11, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb; not a serving head of state or government, manner of death not notable This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:17, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- These are not the only criteria, we blurbed Tina Turner, Pele, Milan Kundera, Sydney Poitier, Betty White and others. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:27, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb, legendary actor with storied career and varied international work, recipient of major awards like His name was long associated with standard, he defined what was a handsome male. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:25, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb—To the best of my recollection, I haven't heard of Alain Delon before. However, I am sufficiently convinced of his status as a culturally significant figure in the history of cinema. His article is comprehensive, well-sourced, and illustrates just how iconic he was in a career that spanned several decades. Kurtis (talk) 08:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb: Seems to be significant figure, but I doubt he's as noteworthy today to warrant a blurb. Tofusaurus (talk) 09:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is one of rare cases where the article showed influence abd transformative criteria even before death of the person. BilboBeggins (talk) 11:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Picture A famous face for which we have a good selection of free images. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- But we don't post picture RDs. BilboBeggins (talk) 11:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, neutral on blurb. Definitely one of the most famous French actors in history, but just doesn't rise to the Thatcher/Mandela standards we should keep blurbs to. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 12:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality but otherwise Support blurb. This is an example of what we should be looking for to demonstrate a major figure - a very in-depth legacy section (all sourced) that makes it clear to the reader why he was considered as such. No question on thus meriting a blurb. However, there are paragraphs in both the earlier career and sections and in the personal life section (including some of the legal aspects) that are unsourced, and must be fixed before posting. --Masem (t) 12:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Blurb, oppose RD on quality While certainly a renowned French artist but in my opinion he does not have enough caliber to have a blurb. RD cannot be posted right now because some section including Honours one needs more sourcing. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:15, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb: Despite being way too young to remember him properly, I should note he's one of the few actors we consider as vital, next to the likes of Sydney Poitier and Betty White (who did received the "blurb treatment", as well). Plus, he's been widely regarded as one of the main cinema icons of the last century, so the notability is definitely there. It's true, though, that the article still needs a bit of work before we can proceed, and I don't know if I'll be able to help myself... Oltrepier (talk) 14:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb (if quality is fixed) One of the last giants of world cinema. Tradediatalk 15:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb: I wouldn't normally support a blurb for an actor but the Sydney Poitier and Betty White precedents argue in its favour. He was arguably among the three best known french actors abroad along with Catherine Deneuve and Gérard Depardieu and had a major following in Japan. The original sin was in accepting blurbs for actors in the first place Varoon2542 (talk) 15:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would rather educate myself about dead legendary artists, than read about the latest PDC World Darts Championship. Tradediatalk 16:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb: Important, but not enough for a blurb. Scheridon (talk) 16:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb - Per above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support blurb when quality is improved. He is certainly one of the most influential and renowned French icons of the past century. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 17:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
August 17
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RD: Silvio Santos
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1] [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by Maeslor (talk · give credit)
- Updated by SaxyGuy (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Brazilian media mogul and television host. He was the host of the second longest running Brazilian program: Programa Silvio Santos, aired since 1963. He was also the only celebrity in the country on the list of billionaires by Forbes magazine. The magazine also states that "there is no one more famous than Silvio Santos in Brazil." Maeslor
- Conditional oppose: I have no doubt he is a major figure in the country as both an entrepreneur and a television presenter, but the article on EN needs work (Portuguese Wikipedia has a more substantive article we could translate from. This one is not as complete and even cites YouTube in places). ViperSnake151 Talk 00:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have just translated the Death of Silvio Santos page, going on the background, announcement, and reactions in Brazil and worldwide. Erick Soares3 (talk) 13:19, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support I think the article is in a good enough shape to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support He was an important person and the article is not bad. Scheridon (talk) 16:14, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Black Caviar
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News Sydney Morning Herald
Credits:
- Nominated by Aydoh8 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Sunline02 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Famous Australian racehorse. Aydoh8[contribs] 05:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks good enough to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:20, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
2024 Kolkata doctor rape and murder case - protest
[edit]Blurb: A rape and murder incident prompts protests across India. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In India, doctors go on strike and nationwide protests occur after the rape and murder of a woman physician in Kolkata.
News source(s): News [3][4][5]
Credits:
- Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
2024 Kolkata doctor rape and murder case. Spworld2 06:04, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Snow oppose Horrifying case, but ITN usually doesn't post crimes committed against individual people. Furthermore, the article is not complete. Bremps... 06:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - "The incident took place when 'Trainee Doctor', a 31-year-old Trainee Doctor,......" sentence just ends there. No way we can post this, article doesn't even tell you what happened PrecariousWorlds (talk) 06:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- RD is mostly for the deaths of notable people/organisms, not for murder cases, even if high-profile. Good faith nom PrecariousWorlds (talk) 06:22, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is a law in India that the name of the victim in a rape case should not be disclosed Spworld2 (talk) 06:31, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- At the time I wrote that the article literally just consisted of 'a 31-year-old trainee doctor'. That was the only information about the incident in the entire article. I wasn't referring to the victim's name.PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- The article has come a long way since, I do think its in a decent (not great) place for posting Schwinnspeed (talk) 22:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- At the time I wrote that the article literally just consisted of 'a 31-year-old trainee doctor'. That was the only information about the incident in the entire article. I wasn't referring to the victim's name.PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- [13][14] [15][16][17][18][19] Spworld2 (talk) 06:50, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- This should not be an RD, this should be nominated as a blurb, but primarily due to the protests that have followed from the crime. --Masem (t) 17:51, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not an RD nom anymore. (Not a wikibio.) Need a better blurb. --PFHLai (talk) 20:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb There is significant coverage of this in the news, both within India and internationally. A single incident wouldn't be ITN worthy but the notable thing here, as Masem stated, is the protests and response that followed. The altblurb highlights this a bit more clearly. Schwinnspeed (talk) 20:39, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- If it does go up, I do feel the victim's name should not be omitted in the burb. It feels like the blurbs are discussing the protests more than the victim themselves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RJX74 (talk • contribs) 23:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, because the notable thing is the protests, not the murder itself. Also, WP:BDP applies. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 00:23, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly. I was gonna the same the same to the first comment above. Brutal as a rape is, they're not so unusual in the country.Sportsnut24 (talk) 04:54, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Need to sort out which article is. the Alt that is not "incident" is best.Sportsnut24 (talk) 04:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Altblurb The incident have received widespread international coverage. The news about it has been featured on the multiple international newspaper's front page. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:45, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
August 16
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RD: Afa Anoaʻi
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wrestling Observer-Figure Four Online, WWE
Credits:
- Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
- Updated by K-popguardian (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Samoan pro wrestler, one half of the Wild Samoans. Article is actually pretty solid quality/citation-wise for a wrestling bio. The Kip (contribs) 22:29, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Photo RD but the usual is fine, too, per Kip. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support article looks ready to go. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:46, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Around a handful of Cn tags.—Bagumba (talk) 16:58, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: John Lansing (journalist)
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Former CEO of NPR and chief of the U.S. Agency for Global Media. ForsythiaJo (talk) 20:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support article in a good enough shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Paetongtarn chosen as new Thai PM
[edit]Blurb: Paetongtarn Shinawatra is chosen as Prime Minister of Thailand by the House of Representatives, replacing Srettha Thavisin who was dismissed by the Constitutional Court. (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg BBC News The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Propose to merge with the existing blurb on Srettha's dismissal, just like how we did with the Bangladesh PM. Tofusaurus (talk) 05:23, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge seems fine. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 09:11, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge also. River10000 (talk) 11:49, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The proposed blurb says she was selected by the House, but her article currently says "parliament". This Bangkok Post article says it was the House, explictly stating that the Senate wasn't required.—Bagumba (talk) 11:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality only A few unsourced statements but that should be easily fixed. --Masem (t) 13:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge, because it's a succession in head of government of Thailand, plus swap out the picture. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 13:52, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support merger but the few unsourced statements should be fixed. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support merger pre above Prodrummer619 (talk) 17:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support merge per above. The Kip (contribs) 21:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Admins willing to post ITN: ? Natg 19 (talk) 00:51, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 01:32, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yet again, another post without all the quality issued addressed. ITN (and the Main page) is supposed to represent WP's best work, this wasn't. — Masem (t) 16:56, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- In my opinion, the article looks fine. A few (2-3) unsourced statements should not hold up posting. Natg 19 (talk) 19:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Issues have since been resolved. Tofusaurus (talk) 03:58, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Pull - Posting this was premature. She hasn't yet been formally appointed prime minister. [20] estar8806 (talk) ★ 18:12, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- The King has officially appointed her as Prime Minister. [21] Tofusaurus (talk) 04:00, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- U.S. results are regularly posted before a formal presidential inauguration. Let's be consistent, one way or another.—Bagumba (talk) 06:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
August 15
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August 15, 2024
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RD: Charis Eng
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): PTEN Research, Cleveland Plain Dealer
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Spencer (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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SpencerT•C 00:54, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support article seems alright to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Jack Russell (musician)
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard, NPR
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:5994:D657:3789:8602 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by UndergroundMan3000 (talk · give credit) and SirZPthundergod9001 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American musician and founding member of Great White. 240F:7A:6253:1:5994:D657:3789:8602 (talk) 13:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for the number of unsourced statements. ForsythiaJo (talk) 21:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose a large number of unsourced information. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Chicxulub impactor originated from the outer Solar System
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Chicxulub impactor originated from the outer Solar System (Post)
Alternative blurb: The Chicxulub asteroid has been found to be a carbonaceous asteroid which formed in the outer Solar System
News source(s): Science, [22]
Credits:
- Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose and close: what even is the meaning of this? Tofusaurus (talk) 11:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- It means that the Chicxulub asteroid was found to be from the outer Solar System, rather than the inner Solar System. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think the question is "what is the significance of this?". It's a cool discovery that this asteroid came from so far away (though I always assumed the majority of massive impactors came from the [[Outer Solar System]]), but I'm not sure it's ITN material. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:50, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- It means that the Chicxulub asteroid was found to be from the outer Solar System, rather than the inner Solar System. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose In contrast with the water on Mars story, this has extremely little impact on science going forward, its more a "that answers that question". Also, remember that we need to have coverage in the news, which is there for this but I've added that. We can't just go on published papers only. --Masem (t) 13:42, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose As per Masem, this will not have a significant impact on future science. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Maybe not a world-changing event, but scientific discoveries are often valuable by themselves, and it changes a bit from the cycle of politics and disasters usually on ITN. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:19, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The fact that the Chicxulub impactor was of carbonaceous chondrite-type has been known for many years (see this paper from 2021 for example [23]), and while the analytical techniques employed in this this paper are interesting, their claim this is some kind of new revelation is just PR hype. Hemiauchenia (talk) 16:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Hemiauchenia. More broadly, the origin of asteroid impactors is not particularly significant to astronomy. Better for models of an impact and its effects, perhaps, but certainly not ITN material. ArkHyena (talk) 16:56, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Peter Marshall
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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A few citations needed, but well-sourced overall. Mooonswimmer 18:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Fixed the citations needed. Article now fully sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:11, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 01:36, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Greg Kihn
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KRON 4
Credits:
- Nominated by TheCorriynial (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Article does need some help in a few places, but for many in the early 80s, Greg Kihn was the leader of The Greg Kihn Band and songwriter for the band, which had hits "Jeopardy (song)", "The Breakup Song" and several other in the early 80s. Weird Al covered "Jeopardy" as "I Lost on Jeopardy", where many know that song from. He also did some writing. TheCorriynial (talk) 16:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. They don't write 'em like that any more. Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Some cn tags, an unsourced section and another section with only one source. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:54, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready yet. There are still nine citation needed tags. Flibirigit (talk) 11:32, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per usual. Aydoh8[contribs] 12:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose multiple cn tags and many paragraphs ending without a footnote. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:51, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Lasse Björn
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.svt.se/sport/ishockey/lasse-bjorn-ar-dod-blev-92-ar
Credits:
- Nominated by Flibirigit (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Marbe166 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Olympic ice hockey and Ice Hockey World Championship medallist. Article is a bit short and could be expanded, but everything is cited. Flibirigit (talk) 14:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Looks good. TwistedAxe [contact] 21:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Comment Article is well sourced, but I feel that the career section is a bit short, making the article borderline stubbish. Wondering what others think.Support Article has been expanded a bit. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've done a bit of expansion. Anyone else is welcome to help. Flibirigit (talk) 14:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Updated article title as per page move. His common name is "Lasse Björn". Flibirigit (talk) 17:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
National Public Data breach
[edit]Blurb: Data brokering service National Public Data suffers a breach of 2.7 billion records, potentially including the Social Security numbers of every living American. (Post)
News source(s): (CBS News)
Credits:
- Nominated by GeorgeMemulous (talk · give credit)
- Created by Noleander (talk · give credit)
Data breach potentially containing the Social Security number of every living American. Breach occurred last April, but now a lawsuit's being filed and it's receiving widespread coverage. Article needs work. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose If the breach occurred last April, it is too stale to be presented as news in ITN, and the lawsuit isn't that newsworthy if the breach itself went under the radar at first. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is not nearly ready, and the item is stale to begin with. Estreyeria (talk) 14:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose and close immediately — Troy Hunt has written a post about this data breach. The data present has not been confirmed for accuracy and is unlikely to be. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose besides the stake Ness and quality issues, data breaches are far too common nowadays to make this anything but routine. Also, importantly, this us only a claim from the lawsuit, nothing has been affirmed here. The signs are likely that it's true but we have no confirmation yet. Masem (t) 14:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The agency has confirmed the breech but keep in mind, this is 2.9 billion records which is not yet known how many people that actually is, since there can be multiple records per person. Further, the article itself is still far too short for quality purposes. --Masem (t) 11:51, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Comment - precedent has shown that stories that technically occurred a while back can still be posted if it only entered into the news discourse recently. Anyway,
weak oppose, per ElijahPepe. — Knightoftheswords 14:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose As per above, the breach is a claim from a lawsuit, and does not seem to be definitively confirmed. Gödel2200 (talk) 18:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support if confirmed. This is a *huge* data breach, and its purported occurrence only recently came to light, assuming the charges made in the lawsuit are correct. Kurtis (talk) 00:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose notability since not confirmed Iff it's confirmed, take this to be a support on notability. Sure, large data breaches are common, but so are national elections, sports championships, and any of a half-dozen other things listed at ITNR. That shouldn't preclude something from being posted. The impact would be wide-reaching, and thus worth posting. For now, though, the accuracy is not certain nor the source. And don't even get me started on the article quality. Sincerely, Dilettante 03:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The breach has been confirmed by National Public Data. The leaked information is confirmed to include "name, email address, phone number, social security number, and mailing address(es)", but the scale of the breach (i.e. the figure of 2.7-2.9 billion) has not yet been specified or acknowledged. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment The article is a stub and as long as it stays like that, it could not possibly be posted. Schwede66 08:30, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, once the article is properly expanded. A major event, and it is in the news now. Nsk92 (talk) 14:37, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
August 14
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RD: Gena Rowlands
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Wrap
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Award winning American actress. Thriley (talk) 00:48, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality the entire filmography is currently unsourced. Estreyeria (talk) 14:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready yet. Filmography section has no sources, and the awards section has only one source. Flibirigit (talk) 16:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Regrettable oppose Filmography and awards section needs ref work. There's a few cn tags in the career section as well. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Raising at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red. Curbon7 (talk) 00:24, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose outstanding number of cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) WHO declares global health emergency over Mpox outbreak
[edit]Blurb: The World Health Organization declares the 2024 African mpox epidemic to be a global health emergency. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The World Health Organization declares the African mpox epidemic to be a global health emergency.
News source(s): New York Times
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- Nominated by Twistedaxe (talk · give credit)
Last time it was declared an emergency, it killed around 200 people. It seems to be alot more serious now, as death count has already risen to well above 500. TwistedAxe [contact] 17:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Wait there is no way that stub of an article is ready for an ITN item. Scu ba (talk) 18:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Literally one sentence, unfit for posting. Also, did we post monkeypox being designated as a global health emergency back in 2022? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Article is nowhere near ready for the main page. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 20:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose because the article needs expansion and more sources. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 03:22, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment — I expected that the WHO would declare the epidemic a global health emergency, but I have been tied up in the weeds of determining if this is a continuation of the epidemic two years ago, especially given the title change. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 21:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support The nominated article is mpox which is not a stub. The disease is endemic and has a long history but the latest announcement is a clear wakeup call to take this outbreak seriously. WHO is not helping matters by nerfing the name to the innocuous sounding mpox but what makes me sit up and take notice is that it is closely related to smallpox which was a global scourge. We do remember the recent global pandemic, right? That was given top billing at ITN for ages and so such topics are quite significant. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- The specific threat is the African epidemic, as mpox has been around and waned and waxed for decades. That should be featured. Masem (t) 21:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Noting the existence of the other article 2024 mpox outbreak that appears to nearly completely overlap with it, but is much more developed. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:11, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- The nominated article is now African mpox epidemic and has a banner calling for a title change. These new article(s) don't seem stable and I reckon that the main mpox article is best for this topic, as it has all the background. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I was the one who requested the merge and the title change. Since the two articles have been merged, I don't see why stability would be an issue. The link in the blurb can be updated if the page is moved. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:15, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The nominated article is now African mpox epidemic and has a banner calling for a title change. These new article(s) don't seem stable and I reckon that the main mpox article is best for this topic, as it has all the background. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Noting the existence of the other article 2024 mpox outbreak that appears to nearly completely overlap with it, but is much more developed. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:11, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - This epidemic primarily concerns Africa. Reported cases in the rest of the world have been steadily decreasing. This is not to throw Africa "under the bus" but Africa has certain conditions like: poor access to healthcare. The endemism of mpox in Africa. Which makes the epidemic noteworthy IN Africa as it is recurring.
- In the global perspective (non-endemic) the disease is spread through "mainly men who have sex with men and spread
- predominantly through sexual contact" rated moderate risk. Hardly pandemic material, yet... could change. Mikal N (talk) 22:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Incorrect - the 2022-2023 Clade II epidemic was spread mainly by sexual transmission. This is Clade I which seems to be more versatile and therefore more worrying. https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/how-scientists-are-racing-understand-new-mpox-strain-democratic-republic-congo Bob (talk) 19:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The specific threat is the African epidemic, as mpox has been around and waned and waxed for decades. That should be featured. Masem (t) 21:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Mpox is gradually becoming more similar to smallpox. Count Iblis (talk) 23:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support A big announcement, but the actual Mpox Outbreak page should be linked somewhere within the blurb itself Hungry403 (talk) 23:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Major development in public health. -TenorTwelve (talk) 03:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Target article should be African mpox epidemic which is in need of expansion/quality improvement. SpencerT•C 11:23, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. I went ahead and changed the target article from mpox to African mpox epidemic and added a link to public health emergency of international concern in the blurbs. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 12:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Altblurb with the changes to the target page. Schwinnspeed (talk) 14:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support altblurb: It is starting to gain extensive coverage and significance. At the time of writing, Sweden has just reported its first case. Tofusaurus (talk) 17:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Qualified support. The article is relevant but quality is poor. The timeline is confusing. It's my bedtime otherwise I would contribute. Bob (talk) 19:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article quality now seems improved and this is highly notable. FlipandFlopped ツ 20:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support—A global health emergency is a pretty major development. Here's hoping it doesn't balloon into something too much worse than it currently is. Kurtis (talk) 22:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 23:14, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Dismissal of Thai PM
[edit]Blurb: Thailand's Constitutional Court dismisses Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin following an illegal cabinet appointment of a minister. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)
Tofusaurus (talk) 08:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe The event demonstrates that the PM is perhaps not the most powerful person in the government. CNN indicates that real power is held by "a small but powerful clique of military, royalist and business elites" which presumably means people like Thaksin Shinawatra. Anyway, this seems to be a trumped-up charge or show trial which we shouldn't endorse so directly. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thailand is in a bit of a flux atm as a flawed democracy; the primary opposition repeatedly gets banned but reforms as a different party. The current government with PT-Military is essentially PT submitting to the elements of the military, such as Prayut Chan-o-cha. River10000 (talk) 12:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Srettha & Thaksin are allies. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Don't be mistaken, the removal of Thavisin is a great example of Court overreach in politics. This is the active removal of a head of government. River10000 (talk) 12:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Presumably if the president of the United States was dismissed by a court in that country, then it would be an ITN item. I don't see how this is any different, apart from the fact it relates to a different country. Chrisclear (talk) 13:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability. However, I would think that this event might reasonably have a standalone article, and I would prefer to link to such an article should on be made. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 14:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support as ITN/R - change of head of government. Natg 19 (talk) 16:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- It becomes ITNR once his successor is known, but surely removal of head of government is notable in its own right if a successor is not chosen quickly. rawmustard (talk) 20:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support The event is notable, and the article is well-sourced and of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 17:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support a head of government got removed from office. This is notable enough for inclusion. Scu ba (talk) 18:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support because it's a change in head of government.
- JohnAdams1800 (talk) 18:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support The removal of Thailand’s PM is quite notable & the article’s quality is good enough to post. However, I’m not entirely satisfied w/the blurb’s wording since this seems to be politically motivated & the blurb’s wording doesn’t make that clear enough. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I was going to say this. Maybe add an allegedly? The CC is very obviously biased towards the conservative, royal elite. River10000 (talk) 20:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- That might work. However, reliable sources link this ruling to a ruling that happened 1 week ago that banned MFP politicians from politics, so it might be better to have an alt blurb that says:
Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)Thailand's Constitutional Court dismisses Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin one week after a ruling dissolved the Move Forward Party and banned its executives from politics.
- Or maybe a
- Thailand's Constitutional Court removes Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, alleging illegal appointment of a cabinet member. River10000 (talk) 00:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
... reliable sources link this ruling to a ruling that happened 1 week ago ...
: They are mentioned together in some sources, but do any of them say that the MFP being dissolved caused the PM's dismissal? —Bagumba (talk) 03:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's a slippery slope if we start using "allegedly" for court rulings. The ruling and their reasoning are fact, even if one argues its flawed (or if its eventually overturned or generally decried). —Bagumba (talk) 03:25, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- That might work. However, reliable sources link this ruling to a ruling that happened 1 week ago that banned MFP politicians from politics, so it might be better to have an alt blurb that says:
- I was going to say this. Maybe add an allegedly? The CC is very obviously biased towards the conservative, royal elite. River10000 (talk) 20:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support on notability, removal of an active head of government by a court is very much notable. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 03:14, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment While the picture is good, the fact that the leader is standing in front of another country's national flag might be confusing for a reader looking at ITN at a glance. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 06:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Switched image to File:Srettha Thavisin at Pheu Thai Party headquarters,Bangkok, 7 September 2023.jpg from his bio's lead (hopefully there's not a major issue w/ him smiling more).—Bagumba (talk) 12:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dignity Memorial
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- Nominated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Cmm3 (talk · give credit)
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BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:15, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support article looks in a good shape to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:58, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Wally Amos
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
- Updated by GA-RT-22 (talk · give credit)
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Founder of Famous Amos cookie company. Host of the PBS television show Learn to Read. Thriley (talk) 19:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Unreferenced date of birth. Schwede66 23:43, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Citation issues appear to have been fixed. Thriley (talk) 10:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support No major quality issues to note. Article appears to be fine for RD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:01, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Where exactly does reference 1 confirm his date of birth? I cannot see it. Schwede66 23:47, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support nothing major holding the article back. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Richard Alatorre
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:B9C1:EAA6:9B64:55C7 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by OCNative (talk · give credit), Hirolovesswords (talk · give credit) and Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit)
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Former Los Angeles councilman. 240F:7A:6253:1:B9C1:EAA6:9B64:55C7 (talk)
- Unreferenced date of birth, and place of birth. Schwede66 23:41, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Previously mentioned reference issues have been patched. @Schwede66:, I do recommend taking a second look at this article, as I support it as being ready for RD. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:05, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- I note two things: the citation needed tag within the article remains, and I cannot see where the source you added confirms that he was born on May 15. Schwede66 23:44, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Almost ready just a couple to issue with Personal life and death section needs to be resolved. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:00, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDR
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- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Created by LouisAlain (talk · give credit)
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Stage director of drama and especially opera at major houses in Germany, influential teacher in his last years. - Another article remembered from DYK 2019, but many refs needed to be replaced. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks well-cited and ready to go. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 15:41, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Timothy Dudley-Smith
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Christianity Today BBC
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- Updated and nominated by HistoryTheorist (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)
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Article is short but in good shape. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 22:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support if the selected works can serve as citations for themselves. Bremps... 06:21, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'll try to find ISBNs tonight. Thanks for pointing it out! ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 17:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Bremps
Done all isbns added. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 00:34, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Reservations gone, support. Bremps... 00:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Liquid water on Mars
[edit]Blurb: Analysis of data from the InSight Mars mission indicates the presence of underground liquid water on Mars. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, PNAS
Credits:
- Nominated by GeorgeMemulous (talk · give credit)
Article needs to be updated (currently only a one line update exists) but the topic is receiving significant news coverage. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 01:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support once the article has been sufficiently expanded. Important milestone. Yakikaki (talk) 07:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Needs work The article currently starts "Almost all water on Mars today exists as polar permafrost ice..." and continues in that vein. If this new analysis indicates that there are substantial underground seas of liquid water then the article will need completely rebalancing to account for this. An isolated update is not enough. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Opppose on quality concerns, the lead needs a lot of work, I had to search the article to find the story here. Also, possible sustained oppose because it appears this was known in 2018 from the Mars Express mission. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Given the chronology of discoveries of water on Mars dating back to the 1970s, what makes this discovery of water on Mars different? If that difference is significant, it should be in the blurb. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 15:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Money pull quote from the Beeb article:
While there is water frozen at the Martian poles and evidence of vapour in the atmosphere, this is the first time liquid water has been found on the planet.
I agree quite a bit that "science news" often does a poor job of immediately telling people the most important thing(s) up front: "don't bury the lede" is a tenet of good journalism. (One contributing factor: the people writing and editing the coverage, often have little to no expert scientific background, and often struggle to understand themselves the things they are attempting to tell people about, which often are communicated in the house jargon of scientific journals etc. Sure, you could contact professional scientists to seek explanation (who mostly have day jobs and do such things, when they do, as an unpaid volunteer service on top of that) but, there's that deadline and your boss has been breathing down your neck lately to get those viewership metrics up. Gotta get those social media "shares" before competitors beat you.) Blurb suggestion: Analysis… indicates the presence on Mars of underground liquid water. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Money pull quote from the Beeb article:
- Agree in principle if a main target can be improved. Maybe InSight? This is evidence of present-day liquid water underground in the Martian crust. Existence of (lots of) liquid water long ago in Mars's past has been accepted for some time, and solid water ice and gaseous water vapor are known to exist, but liquid water at Mars's surface beyond tiny transient amounts is presumed impossible today because of Mars's low atmospheric pressure. (See phase diagram. Familiar with how a pressure cooker works? Now think about how freeze drying works—which is accomplished by going the other direction and lowering ambient pressure to near-zero.) Scientists have been interested in answers to what happened to all that water. And it looks like at least some is still there deep underground, where it's under enough pressure to stay liquid. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Opppose Call me when you can fill a glass. None of this "traces of" or long-ago stuff. CoatCheck (talk) 00:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Ring ring. It's here right now and there's a lot of it. Bremps... 03:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- From that CNN article:
"Banerdt, who was not involved in the research, said that while the interpretation of the data presented in the paper is strongly supported with good arguments, he also believes it is still somewhat speculative and that there is almost always another way to explain any given set of data."
, a far cry short of these "scientists have found ___" pronouncements. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- From that CNN article:
- Support Ring ring. It's here right now and there's a lot of it. Bremps... 03:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is a single paper, and the BBC article makes claims that the scientific paper does not -- BBC:
"Scientists have discovered a reservoir of liquid water on Mars - deep in the rocky outer crust of the planet.
-- paper:"A mid-crust composed of fractured igneous rocks saturated with liquid water best explains the existing data."
This is fairly irresponsible journalism. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:45, 14 August 2024 (UTC) - Weak oppose per 35.139.154.158. This is still a pretty tentative discovery. Additionally, it isn't even the first potential detection of large reservoirs of liquid water on Mars—see Subglacial lakes on Mars. I am only marking this as a weak oppose as this is an in situ detection from the InSight lander, which may be ITN-worthy; I would personally say it still isn't. ArkHyena (talk) 04:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per 35.139.154.158. I'd totally support putting this on the front page if it was a more substantiated claim (and if the article was in shape, which it's not). Estreyeria (talk) 13:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose a problem for astronomy is that standard news outlet aimed for the general public just love to jump to conclusions. Fact is, the lander found some data, and someone wrote a paper saying that underground water may be an explanation for that data. There's still a huge distance from that to actually confirming such water. Scientists should formulate alternative explanations for the data, and all explanations should be tested further (or get updated if further data is obtained). Cambalachero (talk) 16:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose A few things: 1) the article itself is mostly about the historical context behind the present lack of water on mars- there is one sentence about the current update buried deep in the lead 2) The media's interpretation of the scientific paper is a stretch and still a little speculative. Schwinnspeed (talk) 14:54, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Rachael Lillis
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes, Anime News Network
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- Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Voice actress, known for voicing the English voices of Misty and Jessie from Pokemon. Died on August 10 but was only reported on this date. Tofusaurus (talk) 16:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Opppose Not enough substance. Estreyeria (talk) 19:11, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Picture Looks fine and there's plenty of coverage in mainstream sources such as the BBC. We have a good picture and so should use it to replace the aircraft picture which has been used for several days now. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Currently there's a citation-needed and several uncited roles. I hope these can be cleaned up so that this can be RD'd. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Too little words/prose in the article for this to be on RD. Much of the length of the article consists of tables upon tables. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 20:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
RD: Richard Lugner
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Euronews, Barron's, Der Spiegel, Berliner Morgenpost, Tagesschau
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- Nominated by Celjski Grad (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Ruedi B (talk · give credit)
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Austrian construction titan, politician, and Viennese society figure. Celjski Grad (talk) 13:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Article structure seems okay to me. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 14:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Currently orange-tagged for having a {lead too short}. --PFHLai (talk) 23:57, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Legacy.com
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- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
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American medievalist. Thriley (talk) 22:08, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not Ready. Article needs expansion as it is still a stub. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 09:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- Only 227 words of prose. Anymore to write about her, please? --PFHLai (talk) 23:41, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Noël Treanor
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Irish Times
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- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:2942:2E99:912C:AA25 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and Rutsq (talk · give credit)
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Irish Roman Catholic prelate. 240F:7A:6253:1:2942:2E99:912C:AA25 (talk) 17:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support Minor tone issues but honestly nothing to fuss about. Bremps... 02:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 04:05, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Olympics
[edit]Blurb: The 2024 Summer Olympics ends with the closing ceremony. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The 2024 Summer Olympics closes, with the United States winning the most medals.
Alternative blurb II: The 2024 Summer Olympics conclude in Paris, France.
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- Updated and nominated by Sportsnut24 (talk · give credit)
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Starts in under 5.5 hours, but just thought to put it here for discussion so it can be live as it is ongoing.Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:33, 11 August 2024 (UTC) }}
- Oppose The article for the closing ceremony has major sourcing issues. When the ceremony happens, the article will also need expansion. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:38, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- I am just cleaning up the sourcing precisely for these objections. Only women's basketball left, but will find som more prose. Obviously in preparations since we can't know everything exactly.Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:50, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have just added some prose to the events itself. Few sentences should be the mimumum required.Sportsnut24 (talk) 14:00, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! The sections for foreign dignitaries and commentators being mostly uncited was one of the reasons the opening ceremony didn't get posted, so hopefully that will not also be the case here (as more gets added to the article). Gödel2200 (talk) 14:08, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- A few sentences of text followed by endless incomplete or improperly sourced lists is not enough to meet WP:ITNQUALITY and is a clear violation of MOS:PROSE. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:52, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is true, but the ceremony hasn't happened yet, so it is no surprise the article has not been expanded. Gödel2200 (talk) 16:51, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- How is the official source improper? There are several prose sentences of the event.Sportsnut24 (talk) 19:31, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- A few sentences of text followed by endless incomplete or improperly sourced lists is not enough to meet WP:ITNQUALITY and is a clear violation of MOS:PROSE. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:52, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! The sections for foreign dignitaries and commentators being mostly uncited was one of the reasons the opening ceremony didn't get posted, so hopefully that will not also be the case here (as more gets added to the article). Gödel2200 (talk) 14:08, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
Strong oppose altblurb the Olympics medal tally is measured by the number of gold medals, with silver and bronze only used in tie-breakers. It is technically correct to state that the US won the most medals, but the usage of this implies that the US 'won' the Olympics, which they didn't (China did) and might be a breach of NPOV.The prose issues brought up by @Joseph2302 (pinging for courtesy) look like they've been fixed, although article might need some more sources. In this case I'm leaning support. Also the closing ceremony just wrapped up, so pull from ongoing. Aydoh8[contribs] 22:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)- Officially, isn't the rule if golds are tied, then most silver medals declares the "winner"? But, I don't think I've seen anything saying China "won." I've seen "tied" used, but nothing else outside of that. TheCorriynial (talk) 22:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- D'oh. Didn't realise they were tied on golds (I thought China was still ahead). Thank you for reminding me, I've just updated my vote. Aydoh8[contribs] 22:31, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Officially, isn't the rule if golds are tied, then most silver medals declares the "winner"? But, I don't think I've seen anything saying China "won." I've seen "tied" used, but nothing else outside of that. TheCorriynial (talk) 22:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- oppose altblurb When have we previously posted which country "won"? Seems a tie. 2607:9880:2D28:108:30F3:78D1:5BE5:F230 (talk) 22:59, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- silly to mention that nonsense. the NEWS is the closingSportsnut24 (talk) 23:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Remove the Olympics from the Ongoing events. It is Finished. 24.253.86.254 (talk) 01:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- It would seem to make sense that until we have a blurb up on the closing, keeping the ongoing for 24-48 hrs for ppl coming late to see the final results would be reasonable. But after 48hr, yes, its definitely should be removed. — Masem (t) 02:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, Support but remove after 48h PrecariousWorlds (talk) 05:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's been removed. Stephen 03:13, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- It would seem to make sense that until we have a blurb up on the closing, keeping the ongoing for 24-48 hrs for ppl coming late to see the final results would be reasonable. But after 48hr, yes, its definitely should be removed. — Masem (t) 02:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose It makes more sense to just pull the Olympics from ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- The closing ceremony is listed in ITN/R so the only concern is the quality. Also, it's been pulled already. 82.193.210.78 (talk) 19:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as the closing ceremony article is a sloppy mix of plans, predictions and actual outcomes. Just leave the Ongoing entry up for a day and then it's done. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:09, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - the closing ceremony of the Summer Olympics (and their winter components for that matter) are WP:INTR per Wikipedia:In the news/Recurring items#Multi-sport events. If you have an issue with that, take it to the talk page, not here. — Knightoftheswords 13:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think anyone is opposed to the ITNR nature of this, but that the current article is of very low quality that pits not in a condition to post, which is a requirement ITNR or not. Masem (t) 18:30, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson, MtPenguinMonster, and DecafPotato: would beg to differ — Knightoftheswords 12:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- The article currently seems to finish in mid-air with a half-baked section called "Victory Ceremony". It's puzzling... Andrew🐉(talk) 13:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson: I've significantly expanded that section with a paragraph of prose. Do you think it would be good now? DecafPotato (talk) 19:50, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I got the gist of it but it seemed to need copy-editing so I reworked it. It's still rather puzzling as there's a claim that this was "gender parity" but only the women got special attention. That's not what parity means. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- To clarify, the Paris Olympics were the first Olympics with gender parity (i.e. an equal number of male and female athletes), and so the organizing committee highlighted the women's marathon winner instead of the traditional men's marathon winner to celebrate how far women's sports have come. DecafPotato (talk) 08:15, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- The Tokyo Olympics had parity with both the men and women's winners featured in the closing ceremony. This time, they featured only women even though most of the men in the event ran faster than the winning woman (67 men ran faster than 2:22:55). That's gender bias not gender parity. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- To clarify, the Paris Olympics were the first Olympics with gender parity (i.e. an equal number of male and female athletes), and so the organizing committee highlighted the women's marathon winner instead of the traditional men's marathon winner to celebrate how far women's sports have come. DecafPotato (talk) 08:15, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
- I got the gist of it but it seemed to need copy-editing so I reworked it. It's still rather puzzling as there's a claim that this was "gender parity" but only the women got special attention. That's not what parity means. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson: I've significantly expanded that section with a paragraph of prose. Do you think it would be good now? DecafPotato (talk) 19:50, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- The article currently seems to finish in mid-air with a half-baked section called "Victory Ceremony". It's puzzling... Andrew🐉(talk) 13:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson, MtPenguinMonster, and DecafPotato: would beg to differ — Knightoftheswords 12:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think anyone is opposed to the ITNR nature of this, but that the current article is of very low quality that pits not in a condition to post, which is a requirement ITNR or not. Masem (t) 18:30, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment – Why don't we just bold the Summer Olympics article instead of that of the closing ceremony? It's what most readers are looking for and is of a much higher quality. DecafPotato (talk) 19:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- The main Summer Olympics article itself has already been 'featured' on ITN on the Ongoing events line for about two weeks. There would need some significant consensus to move that back to a blurb that could possibly last on ITN another week, given the amount of updates (or relative lack thereof) since it was removed from Ongoing. Zzyzx11 (talk) 13:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I've re-opened the nomination for the following two reasons. Firstly, the opposition is mostly on quality grounds. Secondly, this isn't stale as the oldest blurb documents a story from 1 August 2024.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready I've changed the headings to sentence case but someone else will have to provide referencing for the anthems. Schwede66 23:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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