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March 31

Portal:Current events/2023 March 31

March 31, 2023 (2023-03-31) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Piracy in the Gulf of Guinea Pirates kidnap some crew members of a Danish-owned ship which they later abandon near São Tomé and Príncipe. (Al Arabiya) Disasters and accidents Tornado outbreak of March 31 – April 1, 2023 The Storm Prediction Center issues a high risk convective outlook, the first high risk issued in over two years, ahead of an expected severe weather outbreak across the Mississippi River valley in the United States. (Storm Prediction Center) A large tornado causes major damage to the Little Rock, Arkansas metropolitan area, killing at least three people and injuring 24 others. (KTHV-TV) One person is killed and 28 others are injured when a tornado causes the roof of a theater in Belvidere, Illinois, to collapse during a concert. (WIFR-TV) Indore stepwell collapse Thirty-six people are killed and 17 others are injured when a stepwell collapses during prayers at a Hindu temple in Indore, Madhya Pradesh, India. (The Guardian) 2023 Pakistan ration distribution stampedes Eleven people die after being crushed in a crowd which gathered to collect food outside a factory in Karachi, Pakistan. (Al Jazeera) Four people are killed by avalanches in Northern Norway. (AFP via Barron's) More than a dozen people are injured in separate incidents after two trains derail during a storm in Switzerland. (AP) Science and technology Italy's Data Protection Authority blocks ChatGPT for allegedly breaching data protection rules and failing to verify that its users are at least 13 years old. (Reuters)

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March 30

Portal:Current events/2023 March 30

March 30, 2023 (2023-03-30) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Internal conflict in Myanmar Eight people are killed by a bombing in a village in Chin State, Myanmar. (AP) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Four people are killed and six others are injured by two roadside bombings targeting police in Lakki Marwat, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2023 Fort Campbell mid-air collision Two Sikorsky HH-60 Pave Hawk helicopters collide over Fort Campbell in Kentucky, United States, killing all nine people on board. (BBC News) A collision between a Pwani University bus and a minibus in Naivasha, Kenya, kills 14 people. (AA) Fourteen people are killed and dozens of others are injured by a mine collapse in Northern state, Sudan. (Reuters) Health and environment New Zealand records its first case of rabies in a human. A patient who had been in hospital since early March died from the disease, which did not spread further. (News24) International relations Enlargement of NATO, Finland–NATO relations Finland–Turkey relations The Turkish Parliament unanimously votes to accept Finland's NATO application, becoming the last member to do so. (Al Jazeera) Iran–United States relations The International Court of Justice (ICJ) rules that the United States violated its 1955 friendship treaty with Iran when it allowed its domestic courts to freeze assets held by Iranian companies, but said that the ICJ does not have jurisdiction over the US$1.75 billion worth of frozen assets held by the Central Bank of Iran. Both countries claimed victory in the ruling. (Reuters) European colonization of the Americas The Vatican officially repudiates the discovery doctrine, writing that the 15th-century papal bulls which promoted it were "manipulated for political purposes by competing colonial powers in order to justify immoral acts against indigenous peoples that were carried out, at times, without opposition from ecclesiastical authorities". (Al Jazeera) Russian invasion of Ukraine Lawmakers from the right-wing Freedom Party of Austria walkout from the lower house of Austria's parliament during a speech by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy as a protest against the violation of Austria's national principle of neutrality. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime Stormy Daniels–Donald Trump scandal Indictment of Donald Trump A grand jury in Manhattan, New York City, indicts former U.S. President Donald Trump regarding a hush payment he made while he was a candidate in 2016. (NBC News) The Lahore High Court rules that Pakistan's sedition law is unconstitutional, on the grounds that it violates free speech. (Al Jazeera)

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RD: Peter Usborne

Article: Peter Usborne (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Phrogge (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died today, founded Usborne Publishing (which may need some work) but his article is fine.  phrogge 'sup? edits 01:07, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

RD: Nick Galifianakis (politician)

Article: Nick Galifianakis (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died on March 27, announced today. Member of the U.S. House, uncle of the comedian. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:38, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good for RD. Side note, it's uncle of the comedians Cheers! Fakescientist8000 01:00, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Trump indicted

Article: Stormy Daniels–Donald Trump scandal (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A grand jury indicts former U.S. president Donald Trump over his payments to porn star Stormy Daniels, making Trump the first former U.S. president to be indicted. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former U.S. president Donald Trump is indicted over his role in a hush money payment scandal, becoming the first U.S. president to face criminal charges.
News source(s): NYT CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Presidentman (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Patar knight (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: First former U.S. president to ever be indicted. Will also significantly affect the 2024 presidential election Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:55, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment First current or former president to be indicted, not just first former president. Might be more concise to just say first American president to be indicted and charged with crimes? I have no thoughts on a !vote yet. It's definitely going to be enormous news in the United States and very likely to receive large coverage across the world. Maybe once/if we have a standalone article about the ramifications of this news story it can be posted, but right now it might be a little soon since we don't know what he will be charged with yet and he has not been arrested yet.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:59, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose I will not support an article at ITN that only has a footnote update on such an important matter. Noah^Talk 21:59, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose How many times do we have to talk about WP:BPLCRIME in this space? Exhausting. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:04, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  Indictments are not convictions, only that there is reasonable cause for him to be under arrest and under trial to determine guilt. Masem (t) 22:40, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  Please read WP:BLPCRIME before bringing it up, unless you are of the view that Donald Trump is not a public figure. nableezy - 23:26, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  It isn't a violation of WP:BLPCRIME to say that an indictment of a former US president is newsworthy. Birdsinthewindow (talk) 00:03, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose. Presidents have been indicted before. Not in the US, but they have. We don't need to post every first at ITN. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:10, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  Under this logic, 1/6 should not have been posted because "riots at governmental buildings/coups occur. Not in the US, but they have. We don't need to post every first at ITN." - Knightsoftheswords281 i.e Crusader1096 (Talk-Contribs-Wikis) 22:20, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  There were other obvious reasons to post 1/6 beyond "it hadn't happened before". More specifically, this is a campaign finance violation, which aren't exactly rare in the US. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:24, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support Major news with historic gravity. -TenorTwelve (talk) 22:16, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose This is a worldwide news page, not a list of news about U.S. politics. I'm so tired of this american/western bias here, jesus. it's like every other news piece is american congress this, american funded court that, american enemies do this (very bad!) thing, heroic american troops do that. Daikido (talk) 22:18, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  Are we on the same ITN? Because its frankly the opposite; lot of stories get put down because they occurred in the west (especially if they occurred in America). There is legit one story about America on ITN right now. Also, ITN entries do not require global significance to be posted and such arguments are actually discouraged from being used here. - Knightsoftheswords281 i.e Crusader1096 (Talk-Contribs-Wikis) 22:23, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support and change link to Indictment of Donald Trump - extremely important news and historic moment. The opposes seem to reek of contrarianism and anti-Americanism (excluding @Hurricane Noah). - Knightsoftheswords281 i.e Crusader1096 (Talk-Contribs-Wikis) 22:18, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  Stop accusing of anti-Americanism to those who do not think the same as you. The world is bigger than you may think. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:25, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  If a being says its not a cat, but meows, acts, and looks like a cat, its a cat. ITN has no requirement for global significance and WP:IDONTLIKEIT or its thinly veiled, WP:OR variant of "the media is overblowing it" should not cut it here. - Knightsoftheswords281 i.e Crusader1096 (Talk-Contribs-Wikis) 22:31, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  I mean, the media is definitely over-blowing it. This probably has little impact on the next election. A conviction doesn't preclude Trump from running and if we are honest, it's probably not impacting very many voters if any. Most likely this situation results in the paying of a fine by Trump and not much else. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:38, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  It’s not “accusing of anti-Americanism” when multiple oppose votes above literally opposed solely because “oh posting this is America-centric” or some variation thereof. The Kip (talk) 00:25, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

  That article is currently a stub and probably gets rolled into the current linked article anyway. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:26, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

• Conditional Support Unlike some other people on here I'm not inherently against posting indictments of current/former political leaders, and the historic significance of this can't be understated (though some are trying...). However, the Stormy Daniels–Donald Trump scandal is in no shape to be posted. Once that article gets improved, or the Indictment of Donald Trump is expanded per Knightoftheswords281's suggestion, then I will support it. Mount Patagonia (talk) 22:30, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

• Suggest !wait - Maybe it's a little too early to accurately assess the notability? We don't know what the ramifications will be yet. Indictment of Donald Trump was started after this nomination was posted and it'll take time to develop into a suitable target article. I recommend holding off from !voting for at least a couple of hours, if not a day.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 22:26, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
• Wait for now. Obviously this is too short of an update now, but by later tonight, it should be fleshed out as those relevant comment. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 22:33, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
• Wait. As far as I can tell there is no indication yet of what the indictment is for, and whether it will turn out to be something utterly minor. BD2412 T 22:39, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
• I wonder if we should wait until we know the actual charges. The indictment is still sealed. Clear historical first.331dot (talk) 22:42, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Agree that waiting until the actual charges are, and the article expanded, are known. --Masem (t) 22:44, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

    Yes; with Putin we knew what the charges were. And also agree the article needs expansion. 331dot (talk) 00:22, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

    In that case, we knew what the charges were and still falsely accused them of child abduction instead. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:25, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. It's absolutely refreshing to see Wikipedia's "In the News" not following the example of mainstream US media, who as usual imply, by the size of their headlines, that Donald Trump is the most important and interesting person in the world. Bishonen | tålk 23:10, 30 March 2023 (UTC).
• Oppose. If he gets convicted, or indicted on an offense more likely to lead to conviction, then we can consider posting. BilledMammal (talk) 23:13, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Couldn't we have a pic of Stormy Daniels instead? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:17, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose We don't do arrests. We ignored the rules for Putin and Lvova-Belova, and proved we can't be trusted to present allegations as allegations or even get the allegation correct. Right off the bat, it was one payment and Michael Cohen made it, not Trump. Trump is accused of falsifying a record of the repayment. Not again, for any BLPs. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:20, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support and Bishonen you are in my top 3 admins or editors ever, but cmon it is not just the mainstream US media. This is the top story everywhere. Al-Jazeera Arabic (and English), BBC, The Guardian, Le Figaro, The Chosun Ilbo, Bild, Sydney Morning Herald are all leading with this. This is the top story on every single newspaper I look at it in multiple languages. I dont get the idea of waiting either, right now is when people would be looking for information on this story, right now is when it is most relevant to post to our in the news section. nableezy - 23:23, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  I hate to repeat myself but we are not a newspaper. We do not care how many RSes cover a story, we want to make sure we get the story right first and foremost for the enduring topic of an encyclopedia. That we have no idea what he was indicted for is the issue. Which should be known in a few days. Masem (t) 00:56, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

• Premature The alleged indictment is under seal. Until it is published this is conjecture. Ok... it's well sourced and widely reported conjecture. But it is not real until the indictment is unsealed and publicly put on the record. Same for the leaked SCOTUS decision that overturned Roe v Wade. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:31, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
• Weak support — The indictment of Donald Trump has no meaningful impact on the world. However, given that this story is the top headline around the world (above Finland's accession to NATO), I'm going to support putting this in ITN. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 23:33, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nableezy, who did the same thing I did, look at multiple worldwide news sources. It's at the top around the globe. The news of the indctment itself is news. Opposers don't make a convincing case, as I see it. Jusdafax (talk) 23:37, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  Up until 15 or so minutes ago, there was another top story about the Paltrow verdict. Before that, it was NATO. Before that, the Vatican and the Pope personally. Opposers never think Supporters are convincing, nor vice versa, that's the point. But news changes. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:49, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  Paltrow was the top story in multiple newspapers across the world in multiple languages? I call bs. nableezy - 00:47, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

  I only read French and English, and thought I was talking about multiple worldwide news sources here. So you may be right. But I shit you not. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:53, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

  Not just the front page, but the top story? Push everything off for the multiple stories that run off this story level of story? Cmon, the last time that happened was when some old lady died in Scotland. nableezy - 01:03, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

  I cannot resist a cmon. Have it your way (meaning I like your alt). I could care less about Gwyneth Paltrow, but the important thing to happen today is still the Vatican's renunciation of the discovery doctrine. It's just one step, sure. But a much bigger step than this one step. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:11, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nableezy. Rushtheeditor (talk) 23:43, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Support - While I would oppose this in principle, as nableezy said it is the headline right now. ITN is intended for global news, and I agree that American/Western news tends to wrongfully dominate ITN, but this is not the event to try to make that point. Estar8806 (talk) 23:53, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Comment I forgot to mention my support is conditional on the link being changed as others above have mentioned. Estar8806 (talk) 00:49, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support This is a historical event and a high-profile occurence. Despite no arrest or convict as of now, it is something with historical precedent that warrants a mention. Jennytacular (talk) 23:56, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  A mention is one thing, but this is a prolonged photo of Donald Trump smiling you're supporting. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:00, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

  An image of Trump's portrait is definetly not needed, the attorney office should likely be the photo. If that doesn't suffice, an image should not be added and just a passing mention. Jennytacular (talk) 00:06, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

  I agree. Birdsinthewindow (talk) 00:12, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

  And Hulk makes three, removed...for now. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:23, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support Major story in international English-language media, a historic moment for the US. It's absurd to say that this is not a noteworthy current event. Birdsinthewindow (talk) 00:11, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above. It is true that ITN usually posts convictions rather than indictments, but this is quite historic for the U.S. and is a top story globally. Also, we did post both of his impeachments, which are the political equivalent of indictments rather than convictions. Davey2116 (talk) 00:12, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment The proposed blurb uses terminology/jargon that is specific to a small number of countries. Specifically, "indicted" and "grand jury". I suggest that these two terms are linked to Indictment and either Grand jury or Grand juries in the United States to make the article more accessible to all readers. Chrisclear (talk) 00:14, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose As far as I can tell, the person involved in this news item has only been charged and has not yet been found guilty by a court. Chrisclear (talk) 00:14, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
• Strong Support I am bewildered this is even debated. The idea that we should ignore this because the west or the USA gets a lot of attention already is a pretty silly argument. How would this anti-west framework even work? If the West starts nuking certain ethnic groups would we ignore that? Is it "something unprecedented" + "the west" = "Wikipedia ignores". It's silly, as for the idea that merely being charged is not sufficient, only conviction that's silly too. The most recent head of state of the most powerful nation on earth is being forced through the criminal procedure. How is this up for debate? GreenFrogsGoRibbit (talk) 00:18, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

  So you're cool with saying he made multiple payments to a porn star we only know Michael Cohen paid once? InedibleHulk (talk) 00:31, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

  I never said he made multiple payments, but if that's what New York says and they have the proof for it then absolutely. GreenFrogsGoRibbit (talk) 00:33, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

  The blurb you just Strongly Supported says that. The target article, which isn't what it should be, makes the payment plan clear. Cohen paid Daniels, Trump repayed Cohen. We won't know if the state has proof (of any wrongdoing) until its evidence is tested in court. Just so you know, not trying to sway you. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:42, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nableezy. Call it “America-centric” all you want, it’s a massive story that the former leader of the global hegemon is now facing charges for the first time in history. The Kip (talk) 00:22, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support, basically per WP:IAR, because it's Trump. Nsk92 (talk) 00:43, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support obviously. The sheer scale of coverage alone qualifies. This will drastically alter American history. Blade Jogger 2049 ^Talk 00:51, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
• offered an alt I think works a bit better, nableezy - 01:00, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support While posting this would break precedent this is the story of the month. Not having this on ITN would be a failure to meet the goals of ITN Aure entuluva (talk) 00:55, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose since when did we start posting indictments instead of convictions? (And please don't say "since we posted the ICC issuing an arrest warrant for Putin"). Banedon (talk) 01:05, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support with reservations, Mr. Trump is an important political figure in the 3rd largest country by population, and this is a story that will be widely covered by news media globally. While I wouldn't normally support this in most other circumstances, this is one where I think we really should make an exception for reasons mentioned prior. I do think the wording of this could be reworded however to flow better. Planetberaure (talk) 01:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support—Per Nsk92. My understanding is that indictments aren't normally ITN-worthy, but this is the former President of the United States and a uniquely high-profile person. The fact that criminal charges are being formally pressed against a former POTUS is unprecedented, and a major development. Kurtis ^(talk) 01:28, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

  Et tu, Kurtis? C'est la vie. But FWIW, it won't be a fact until he's arraigned, probably Tuesday. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:38, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose: We post convictions, not indictments. Now, if Trump supporters start rioting in the streets over the indictment, that would be worth posting, but the post would be about the riots, not the indictment. --Carnildo (talk) 02:03, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) US Senate votes to end COVID-19 emergency

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: No article specified
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by 2A02:2F0B:B500:5A00:41F3:1AF6:93B2:B1C5 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This about as much of a declaration of end to the pandemic we can hope for. WHO will never declare it. 2A02:2F0B:B500:5A00:41F3:1AF6:93B2:B1C5 (talk) 17:17, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - For all practical purposes, the pandemic has already been over for quite some time. There is no need to post an official announcement of its end that only deals with one country out of more than 190. Son Of The Desert (Talk) 17:41, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
• What? Let's not get carried away, the US is not the WHO and, therefore, the end of the pandemic can only be declared by this organization. This is far from being ITNR-worthy when, moreover, it is not even the only country to have done so. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:54, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Irregardless of what the nominator thinks, the WHO will eventually declare covid-19 has moved from a global pandemic to a global endemic. When that happens, it's news and we'll post it. In the meantime, the United States is just one country. Gopchunk (talk) 18:22, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - I don't feel like I need to explain why. Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:21, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. I understand why you've nominated this, but there are numerous flaws in the idea. The bill hasn't become law yet - Biden still has to sign it. The US Senate doesn't get to decide when a global pandemic is over. That's not what they've done anyway - the bill is related to emergency powers and funding that were granted to the US federal government to tackle the pandemic, not a declaration of when the pandemic itself began or ended. Those powers were due to expire in May anyway. There's no reason to post the US response to the pandemic over other countries'. Wait for the WHO declaration that Covid is endemic, whenever that may be. And finally, there's no updated article, which is an immediate fail for ITN. Modest Genius ^talk 19:31, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose – The WHO will, eventually, declare that the pandemic is over. The United States is not the WHO. DecafPotato (talk) 19:37, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

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(Closed) Fort Campbell collision

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Article: 2023 Fort Campbell mid-air collision (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the United States, two helicopters (model of both pictured) operated by the 101st Airborne Division collide over Fort Campbell in Trigg County, Kentucky, resulting in nine deaths. (Post)
News source(s): NYT - CNN - NYP - NBC - Reuters - CNBC - BBC - Newsweek
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Collision of two military aircraft in Kentucky, USA, with several fatalities. We posted the Dallas airshow collision in November, so I don't see any issue with posting this as well. Article needs some serious expansion in quality and prose. - Knightsoftheswords281 i.e Crusader1096 (Talk-Contribs-Wikis) 15:42, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is a stub. Not worthy of the main page given that. Will reevaluate if that ever changes. --Jayron32 14:12, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  Still opposed. Reading the source material; it is a tragedy, but from my reading of the source articles, it looks like this is likely that this event is generating a lot of one-off stories (many of which are reprints from newswires) of relatively short length and it doesn't seem like this level of reporting indicates significance of a level that would indicate posting on ITN right now. Willing to be proven wrong in the future, with more indepth coverage. But it's not there now, from what I see. --Jayron32 16:08, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is a stub as Jayron mentioned. Though I would like to say that the main reason why the airshow crash was posted was specifically because it got a LOT of media attention. So this would likely have to receive some as well. Onegreatjoke (talk) 14:17, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. According to List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft (2020–present), fatal military aircraft crashes seem to happen about once per month. Nine deaths is tragic for those involved, but less than many bus crashes. I'm not convinced this crash even justifies an article per WP:NEVENT (particularly WP:PERSISTENCE), let alone being listed in ITN. Plus the article is currently a four sentence stub. Modest Genius ^talk 14:22, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Jayron Iamstillqw3rty (talk) 14:26, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose — U.S.-centric story. I'll change my vote if there is sustained coverage. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 15:06, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  From the instructions at the top of this page "Please do not...Oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country... This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive." --Jayron32 15:12, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose we generally do not include the result of disasters to military personnel while in their duties, as this was. --Masem (t) 15:41, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Pinging @Jayron32, @Onegreatjoke, @Modest Genius, and @Iamstillqw3rty as the article has been expanded past stub status. - Knightsoftheswords281 i.e Crusader1096 (Talk-Contribs-Wikis) 15:46, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

While that now meets our minimum length and referencing requirements, it doesn't change my view of the (lack of) significance. Modest Genius ^talk 16:36, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment The Dallas airshow was a very contentious posting, probably not a good testcase. There were also other factors which contributed to that posting, particulalry that the two aircraft invovled were historic planes among the last of their kind. This appears to involve two Black Hawk helicopters; helicopter crashes are fairly common compared to other aviation disasters. Curbon7 (talk) 15:48, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose We generally don't post deaths that occur during standard military operations since that is an inherent risk associated with being in the military. Noah^Talk 16:14, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
• oppose per all of the above, -user:editor 5426387 (talk) 16:59, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

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March 29

Portal:Current events/2023 March 29

March 29, 2023 (2023-03-29) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Colombian conflict ELN rebels launch homemade mortar shells at a military base in El Carmen, Norte de Santander, Colombia, killing nine soldiers and injuring nine others. (ABC News) Disasters and accidents Sinking of MV Lady Mary Joy 3 Thirty-one people are killed and more than 200 others are rescued after a ferry catches fire near an island in Basilan, Philippines. At least seven are still missing. (AP) Four people are killed by a storm in Syria. (AP) Health and environment 2020–2023 H5N1 outbreak Chile detects its first case of H5N1 bird flu in a 53-year-old man. (Reuters) International relations Brazil–China relations Brazil and China sign an agreement to trade in their own currencies, ceasing the usage of the United States dollar as an intermediary. (The Straits Times) Burkina Faso–North Korea relations Burkina Faso formally resumes diplomatic relations with North Korea after suspending them in 2017 over the country's nuclear weapons program. (Andolu Agency) Law and crime Myanmar's ruling military junta dissolves the National League for Democracy, the political party of former State Counsellor Aung San Suu Kyi. (NHK) Prime Minister of Fiji Sitiveni Rabuka announces that the Media Industry Development Authority will repeal a controversial 2010 law which strictly controlled media in the country. (RNZ) Evan Gershkovich, an American reporter at The Wall Street Journal, is arrested in Yekaterinburg by Russia's Federal Security Service under charges of espionage. (RFE/RL) Politics and elections Repeal of the 2002 AUMF The U.S. Senate passes a bill to repeal the 1991 and 2002 Authorizations for Use of Military Force (AUMFs) that allowed the past wars in Iraq, with a bipartisan majority of 66–30 votes. (Reuters) Syrian President Bashar al-Assad reshuffles the government's cabinet amid an increase in prices and shortages of food due to the severe economic situation the country, which was worsened by the recent earthquake. (AP via The Washington Post) UAE President Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan announces that he has named his son Khaled bin Mohamed Al Nahyan as the Abu Dhabi Crown Prince. City Football Group owner Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan is also appointed as Vice President. (Al Jazeera) Sports 2023 FIFA U-20 World Cup FIFA strips Indonesia of hosting this year's FIFA U-20 World Cup tournament after the Governor of Bali I Wayan Koster refused to host the Israel national under-19 football team. (The Guardian) 2022–23 NBA season In basketball, the Sacramento Kings make the NBA playoffs for the first time since 2006, ending their 17-year playoff drought, the longest in NBA history. (USA Today) (KTXL-TV)

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RD: Girish Bapat

Article: Girish Bapat (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Indian Express
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Some A lot of issues. Rushtheeditor (talk) 21:07, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Strongly Oppose: Article has more than "some citation issues", it is unfortunately lacking in any detail. It does not explain anything Bapat did through his career, only the offices he held. This article really needs a lot more to it. Octopusplushie (talk) 20:27, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Paul O'Grady

Article: Paul O'Grady (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 2A02:C7C:9238:D400:39E8:F434:CE99:3E68 (talk) 02:08, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support Clearly notable, very comprehensive article. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 06:44, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support, his article is good and he's definitely notable enough. Suonii180 (talk) 09:01, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Definitely notable enough. --79.66.89.36 (talk) 09:58, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Conditional support provided the four tags in the article are resolved. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:10, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support all tags resolved! Tails Wx 15:10, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support No issues, very notable UK TV personality. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 15:15, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Very notable, article has good quality. Ollieisanerd (talk) 15:37, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article well written. Undoubtedly "a national treasure" in the UK.SethWhales ^talk 17:53, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Posted. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 18:01, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment - No objections to the posting, but why do people fail to notice the instruction that significance is a non-factor in posting to RD? Any person, or even animal, is eligible if they have an article that is good enough. Son Of The Desert (Talk) 18:07, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

  Yeah I was thinking that. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:25, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

RD: Myriam Ullens

Article: Myriam Ullens (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Art Newspaper, South China Morning Post, Het Laatste Nieuws (also Daily Mail, but well, let's leave that aside)
Credits:

• Nominated by Fram (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Unexpected violent death, but notable long before this as art collector and philantropist Fram (talk) 13:03, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

March 28

Portal:Current events/2023 March 28

March 28, 2023 (2023-03-28) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Yemeni Civil War Six Houthis and five Yemeni soldiers are killed during clashes in government-controlled Lahj Governorate, Yemen. (Xinhua) Fazil Mustafa, an opposition member of Azerbaijan's National Assembly, is shot multiple times outside his home in Baku by unknown assailants in an assassination attempt. Mustafa's condition is described as satisfactory, and his life is not reported to be in danger. (News.az) Disasters and accidents Ciudad Juárez migrant center fire Central and South American detainees at a migrant center in Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua, Mexico, deliberately set fire to their mattresses, killing 38 people and injuring 28 others. (AP) Three people are killed, thirteen others are missing and 14 are rescued after a boat carrying Cameroonian migrants capsizes near Saint Kitts, Saint Kitts and Nevis. (AP) Law and crime 2023 Lisbon Ismaili Centre stabbing Two Portuguese women are killed in a stabbing attack at an Isma'ilism Shia religious centre in Lisbon, Portugal. Police shoot the suspect, an Afghan man, in the leg at the scene, before arresting him and taking him to a hospital. (BBC News) Killing of Hae Min Lee Adnan Syed's murder conviction is reinstated by Maryland's appeal court, less than six months after Baltimore prosecutors presented new evidence in the 1999 fatal strangulation of Hae Min Lee. (Reuters) Clive Palmer sues Australia for AUD$296 billion over an iron ore project, over which his company, Mineralogy, had previously lost a lawsuit. (ABC News) International relations Philippine drug war President Bongbong Marcos announces that the country will suspend relations with the International Criminal Court (ICC) due to the ICC's refusal to suspend its investigation of alleged crimes committed by the administration of former president Rodrigo Duterte during the country's war on drugs. (Bloomberg) Politics and elections 2023 Scottish National Party leadership election The Scottish Parliament votes to elect Scottish National Party leader Humza Yousaf as First Minister of Scotland, becoming the first non-white and first Muslim to hold the position since it was created in 1999. (STV) The Labour Party's National Executive Committee votes 22–12 to prevent former leader Jeremy Corbyn from running as a candidate in their next election. (BBC)

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RD: Margareta Strömstedt

Article: Margareta Strömstedt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article created after her death. Some citations needed. Thriley (talk) 16:15, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) 2023 Saudi Arabia bus crash

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Article: 2023 Saudi Arabia bus crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In a bus crash carrying Umrah pilgrims killing at least 20 and 29 injured in Asir province in southwestern Saudi Arabia. (Post)
News source(s): Gulf News, BBC, AL Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)

 Ainty Painty (talk) 08:17, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, bus crashes are routine events, the article fails WP:NOTNEWS. Sandstein 08:59, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - Per @Sandstein, and, while this is a tragedy, death tolls do not automatically mean notability. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:40, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:NEWSEVENT, "Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, celebrity or political news, "shock" news, ... – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance." Andrew🐉(talk) 10:38, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

  I think this policy should come up way more often on ITN. It feels like every single disaster over 15 or so deaths gets posted regardless of actual significance (though not to downplay these tragedies). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

  Its not just ITN, but NOTNEWS overall that needs to be more strictly enforced. We shouldn't have articles on things like bus accidents like this in the first place, though a list of traffic accidents in (country) would be appropriate. Masem (t) 12:27, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment We recently posted a bus plunge in Panama. I don't see what makes this any different in terms of postability. Regardless, the article is at AfD, so that precludes this discussion until that is resolved. Curbon7 (talk) 12:04, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - while I generally revile arguments such as WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NEWSEVENT being used in a section dedicated to covering the news, I think instances like this where there really shouldn't be an article at all are acceptable cases for those points to be invoked.
• Additional comment Article is now at AfD, thus automatically rendering it ineligible for posting unless the AfD closes as a keep (which given how its currently going, seems incredibly unlikely). As such, I'm requesting this be closed.

- Knightsoftheswords281 i.e Crusader1096 ( Talk Contribs Wikis ) 12:42, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

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(Closed) Lisbon mass stabbing

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Article: 2023 Lisbon Ismaili Centre stabbing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Portugal, two women are killed and multiple people are injured in a mass stabbing (aftermath pictured) at the Ismaili Centre in Lisbon. (Post)
News source(s): BBC - Sky News - Al Jazeera - Times of Israel - PBS
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Aarfrunzindin (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Possible high casualty stabbing in Lisbon. Article needs work regarding prose however. - Knightsoftheswords281 i.e Crusader1096 ( Talk Contribs Wikis ) 22:23, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose good faith nomination. I fail to see how this reaches the bar for ITN. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 22:14, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  Care to explain how or define said bar? - Knightsoftheswords281 i.e Crusader1096 ( Talk Contribs Wikis ) 22:17, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  Agreed, I'd like to know what the bar is myself. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 23:08, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  Id say yall set the bar when you reflexively oppose any shooting with more casualties and substantially more coverage because it "Amurica doing Amurican things". nableezy - 23:16, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  Hey, I voted wait on the Nashville shooting story, so I'm not "yall." - Knightsoftheswords281 i.e Crusader1096 ( Talk Contribs Wikis ) 01:09, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose My bar for mass casualty events is at twelve, either dead or seriously injured. Still bad news when lower, never good. But not "major", absent some extraordinary twist. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:34, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - Personally my bar is at 15 dead minimum. So this will be an oppose from me. Onegreatjoke (talk) 03:03, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

It feels weird to have a "minimum death toll" for notability. As Andrew pointed out above, WP:NEWSEVENT says "Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, celebrity or political news, "shock" news, ... – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance." PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:26, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Scratched out what I wrote. Though, i've noticed that the article itself doesn't even really talk about the stabbing. Rather it just mentions the perpetrator, victims, and aftermath. Onegreatjoke (talk) 14:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment WP:MINIMUMDEATHS is not a thing and should not be a thing. Candidates should be assessed on significance, not an arbitrary number. Curbon7 (talk) 12:02, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

  Regardless, I don't really see this event as being that notable for ITN. It killed two people, which is sad, but that doesn't really make it notable from any other stabbing in europe or probably even portugal. That's why i'm voting oppose. Onegreatjoke (talk) 12:11, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - Per @Curbon7 and WP:NEWSEVENT PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:27, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose because although this is rare for Portugal, its death toll is low & we know very little about the motive. This should be on DYK instead. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 13:00, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article is in good shape, and reliable sources are giving this the attention to indicate it is significant. --Jayron32 13:04, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Absent a very unusual scenario or context (which there doesn't appear to be here), I don't see how an event with such a low death toll reaches the bar for ITN, regardless of whether it's in the USA, Portugal or anywhere else. Black Kite (talk) 13:44, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on notability 2 deaths, multiple injuries, a shooting in Tennessee had more deaths and got shot down, and so will this. Cheers. WimePocy 16:44, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose trivial crime despite how tragic it was for those involved. In no way encyclopedic. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:22, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Personally, I feel a mass killing, gun or stabbing, should only make ITN if there's a major conversation occurring because of it. I would oppose most mass shootings in America in general, except things such as Uvalde and Buffalo, because conversations for gun restrictions were the result of that. Nashville, nor Monterey Park and Half Moon Bay had that, IMO. Then again, I'm not sure I have much of a say when it comes to how significant this event is, because, well, I'm not Portuguese. Though, I feel my point remains. If no major action/large conversation is taken because of this, then this should not be blurbed. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 19:01, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

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RD: Jacob Ziv

Article: Jacob Ziv (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Significant sourcing work needed. Mooonswimmer 14:38, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Support, Wikipedia wouldn't function without his work (; Synotia (moan) 16:18, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Support Notable enough, article looks good. Ollieisanerd (talk) 19:23, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Comment The biography section is almost entirely unsourced. Nythar (💬-🍀) 23:11, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Support, Article looks OK.Alex-h (talk) 14:28, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support article is fine and ITNRD ready. Cheers. WimePocy 16:46, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Not yet ready As Nythar states above, the Biography section is still mostly unsourced, and the article is made up almost entirely of one or two sentence paragraphs. Curbon7 (talk) 19:06, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

RD: Muhammad Idrees (politician)

Article: Muhammad Idrees (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Fahads1982 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Fahads1982 (talk) 14:36, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: Needs additional depth about what he accomplished in his political roles. Spencer^T•C 03:31, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose: Sources are mostly elections results, and the article does not go in-depth about anything except public offices. Need larger and more detailed biography. --Octopusplushie (talk) 20:12, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) Ciudad Juárez fire

Article: Ciudad Juárez migrant center fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Mexico, 38 men are killed and 28 are injured in a fire at a migrant detention facility in the border town of Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Detainees in an immigration detention center in Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua, Mexico deliberately start a fire, killing 39 men.
News source(s): CNN AP ABC NBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightsoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Nythar (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: High casualty disaster along the US-Mexico border involving migrants. - Knightsoftheswords281 i.e Crusader1096 ( Talk Contribs Wikis ) 12:50, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality, support in principle. Noah^Talk 12:53, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality per Hurricane Noah. Will flip vote when expanded. The Kip (talk) 15:50, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  Count me as a Support now. Article's been suitably expanded. The Kip (talk) 01:08, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support From what I can see right now, the article is short, but definitely well more developed than a stub, and well-referenced. There's enough information here as of now for posting on the main page. Additionally, news sources appear to be covering the story in a way that indicates that it is significant enough for the main page. --Jayron32 17:38, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support looks more expanded since it was nominated. It's well-sourced, and I would go with the original blurb! Tails Wx 17:47, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Weak support It’s an important story & the quality seems just barely good enough to post. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:46, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Notable event by its rarity and death toll Sheila1988 (talk) 09:29, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Pinging @Hurricane Noah and @The Kip given the recent article's expansion. - Knightsoftheswords281 i.e Crusader1096 ( Talk Contribs Wikis ) 22:46, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:NEWSEVENT, "Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, celebrity or political news, "shock" news, ... – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance." Andrew🐉(talk) 10:40, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

You're sure that an arson attack killing 40 people from several countries is a routine event?! Had this happened in the developed world (even if only a couple of miles away in El Paso, Texas), it'd have been posted within a few hours of being created. The article would be much longer & have been edited by several times as many people. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 11:36, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

...such as the deaths of 38 people at a deportation center. Curbon7 (talk) 11:54, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

38 is not a lot – it's comparable with the Saudi bus crash. Migrant deaths are commonplace and, when they are crammed into boats, trucks, camps and the like, you will tend to get death tolls of this size. Overall, the UN estimates about 100/week over the last 10 years. It's an ongoing problem like the cartel war in Mexico for which the stats so far this year include:

1,383 Reported Fatalities

273 Battles

130 Riots

927 Violence against civilians

It's not our job to detail each such incident. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:13, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Exactly. This is a horrific tragedy, but ITN isn't just a "disaster with high death toll" ticker. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:27, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support, high death toll and the article looks ok. Such numbers of victims are usually postable. Brandmeister^talk 12:05, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support per all above, article is fine in both quality and notability. Cheers. WimePocy 13:55, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Marked "ready". I am ineligible to post, as I voted and am thus WP:INVOLVED. Any other admin who hasn't voted can post it, given the widespread support. --Jayron32 14:00, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Posted ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 14:23, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Humza Yousaf

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Article: Humza Yousaf (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Humza Yousaf elected as the first minority ethnic leader of the Scottish National Party and set to become Scotland's first minister (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Humza Yousaf is elected as the leader of the Scottish National Party and Scotland's First Minister
News source(s): The Guardian, The National
Credits:

• Nominated by 148.64.29.135 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

• Support. The proper target article is in good shape. For the blurb, I recommend the concise altblurb. We can understand the practical effect that he will become First Minister, though some further formalities are required. To my mind this is like the US presidential election where we announce the vote results, not the meeting of the Electoral College. Jehochman ^Talk 11:23, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Firstly, this is not on ITNR so I've removed that flag. Scotland is not a sovereign country (it is part of the United Kingdom) so its first minister is only the leader of a regional government. It's equivalent to the leader of an Indian state, Belgian community or US state - none of which we post in ITN. Secondly, I don't see how his ethnicity is relevant to the position. Thirdly, it's an internal party succession with no associated popular election. There's no reason to treat this differently from any other local government succession. Modest Genius ^talk 11:40, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  PS. see the ITN/C discussion when Sturgeon resigned last month. Modest Genius ^talk 11:42, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  That was a close discussion, and the result was wrong. Scotland is a country, not a state. Not ITNR does not mean it has to be rejected. This is a significant event that is widely in the news. Jehochman ^Talk 11:55, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  As I said in that discussion, "when comparing different sovereign states it's mostly just semantics whether they refer to their largest sub-national entities as states, provinces, regions, cantons, communities, nations or countries". The fact that the major subdivisions of the UK are called countries is historical and doesn't make them sovereign. I'm British, I know how the UK works. Modest Genius ^talk 12:01, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  I trust you do. California would be the ~7th largest country in the world by GDP, and has the same population as Canada, but we post elections in Monaco, which have much, much less significance and zero global news coverage. Our criteria is borken. Jehochman ^Talk 12:10, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per MG. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 11:51, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Topic has been covered sufficiently by news sources, article is in sufficiently good shape. The lack of ITNR is a non-issue as many stories are posted in the ITN box that are not in ITNR. --Jayron32 12:21, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose not ITNR and Scotland is mot a sovereign nation, so it’s more close to be a sub-national political event than an statal one. There’s no way this should be posted. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:30, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

• Weak support - I think there's a difference between the UK's subnational governments and those of countries like America. The fact that I and many other foreigners know about Sturgeon but not say Heather Stefanson or Tim Walz is demonstrative of this.

- Knightsoftheswords281 i.e Crusader1096 ( Talk Contribs Wikis ) 12:33, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Well, the same can be said for famous US Governors, like Ron DeSantis or Gavin Newsom, who are recognisable names overseas like Sturgeon. I don't think many people would be able to name the First Ministers of Wales or Northern Ireland (I even live in the UK and I don't know them).

While the UK and the USA have very different political systems, I feel like you can draw an equivalence between the constituent countries of the UK to US states. Both have an elected legislature in the style of the overall federal legislature, both have significant regional autonomy and control over many of their own affairs, etc. The only meaningful difference here is that the USA has 50 while the UK has 4, which if you adjust for population is roughly like 8-9 states to 4 UK countries. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:13, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Well to be honest, although that is true, I think another difference lies in the timing. You cited how we didn't post the 2022 Cali elections, which ignore that they were apart of the wider midterm elections that year and were thus already technically covered. This, as far as I know, is an independent election time-wise. - Knightsoftheswords281 i.e Crusader1096 ( Talk Contribs Wikis ) 13:30, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

There was no popular election here - voters didn't get a say. Only party members were involved. Modest Genius ^talk 13:49, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Still an election, as the article title and prose states, as well as governmental processes and news media. - Knightsoftheswords281 i.e Crusader1096 ( Talk Contribs Wikis ) 15:26, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Okay, that's actually a good point, I forgot that the California elections were part of the midterms, but then I'll bring up that we did not post the 2021 California gubernatorial recall election, where Gavin Newsom was re-elected (Discussion for that here). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:42, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

America is a continent, btw. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:20, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

America primarily refers to the United States (see that that redirects to "United States", not "The Americas". Actually, America, by itself, is not a continent. There's North America, and South America, but there's no continent referred to "America". --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 03:33, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

I know many in South America prefer to use "America" to refer to the two landmasses as a whole. If I'm perfectly honest the whole idea of a continent is stupid, there are incredibly arbitrary borders (Europe ends at the Ural Mountains and Black Sea. Why? Don't ask questions. North America and Africa both end at man-made canals, why? Who knows? And there's some mysterious sea border between Oceania and Asia that no one can quite define. Also, why are we even grouping these places together? The Middle East is insanely different from the Central Turkic states, which are different from Eastern Russia, which is different from China, which is different from Thailand, which is different from India, which is different from the Philippines, and etc. etc. Why are all of these places grouped together into "Asia"? Asia was literally just a Roman Province, same for Africa. Well I have no clue how I got from the Scottish First Minister to ranting about geographical divisions but I'm getting off topic so I better stop.). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:49, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - Scotland is merely a region within a nation. We didn't post the 2022 California election result, and even if we were to include regional subdivisions for ITN, we would have to wait for his approval from the Scottish parliament. He has only been elected party leader, not First Minister yet. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:06, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Subnational + he hasn't even been formally elected as First Minister. The Kip (talk) 16:05, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  Does this not count as formal election? [3]

  No comment on the overall proposal. Couruu (talk) 16:16, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

• Struck that bit of my oppose. The Kip (talk) 16:45, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support - It's explicitly not ITNR. But it is making the headlines. And for the record, I would also support a sufficiently prominent sub-national election elsewhere in the world. I am interested to see what becomes of the NSW proposal further down, once it is a done deal and not ongoing. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:55, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. I support in principle the idea of posting election results in large sub-national regions, but Scotland is nowhere near the largest and most influential sub-national regions, so until such a practice becomes much more common I will oppose. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:02, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Strong Support (altblurb)- Simply because it's an election not listed on ITNR doesn't make it ineligible for ITN, which is what most of the opposition I've seen so far has been based on. Without regard to the fact that Yousaf is the first muslim leader of a major political party in the UK (I think in the whole of the West, if I'm not mistaken) but it is a major moment for the Scottish independence movement. For example, The Independent reports that Labour and the Conservatives are calling Scottish independence "dead"[4]. Not only is his election being reported covered by major UK news outlets (such as the Guardian[5]). , but also by primarily U.S. sources like CNN[6] and global sources like Al Jazeera.[7]Estar8806 (talk) 22:00, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Strong oppose -- We do not post the elections of subnational entities. We wouldn't post this same story if it happened in a US state or Canadian Province, even though US states and Canadian Provinces are more independent than Scotland is. To post this story would smack of UK-centrism, already a huge problem here. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 22:17, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  Objection! Scotland has Scots law. You don't see that kind of self-rule in Nova Scotia or Manitoba. If Ontario wants to reject the monarchy, it needs permission from the nine other provincial legislatures, the federal government and the monarchy. Scotland just fights (historically). InedibleHulk (talk) 22:51, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  ... Good point. I have a feeling that I don't understand Canadian federalism very well. Here in the US though, Louisiana has its own legal system that's a hybrid of civil and common-law, and here in Florida, juries consist of only 6 people (except for capital felonies). -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:36, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  Yeah, all fifty states are absolutely positively 100% sovereign. Florida Man is popular for a reason that just wouldn't fly in one of the hippy or yippie states. Here, we can't publish (decent) crime comics, anywhere, despite that panic having died out with the MPs who thought it made sense at the time. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:57, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  Also, Cajuns are arguably more Canadian than hippy, yippie or Floridian, by virtue of their Acadian "bloodline". And those poor historical souls were arguably more French than anything. And as any Gallic historian can tell you, France probably had something to do with Gaelic diverging from Celtic and Welsh back in the foggy days when unicorns represented more than a district, ward, factory, metropolitan statistical area or fen. Maybe I'm just rambling. Support Photo Blurb because this formerly magic kingdom and its promising new ruler are still In The News today. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:13, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The election of a leader of a subnational govt. shouldn’t be posted. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:37, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support this is good news 5.44.170.26 (talk) 22:55, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - for the same reason as opposing the Sturgeon announcement, we dont post sub-national office changes. We would never post the election of the governor of California, which remains a much more consequential position in nearly every regard. nableezy - 23:19, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Subnational entity, and conceptually the position is no more powerful or constitutionally significant than the governor of California, which we wouldn't generally post... And that's before we even consider that California has a population more than seven times that of Scotland.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support per my prior rationale for supporting changes in the holder of First Minister of Scotland. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:27, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment There is a reason changes to heads of state/government of non-sovereign entities are not included in ITNR and why such noms have not received support here. A case can be made that this election is significant, with the choosen head being the first from an ethnic minority background, but this stemming from a mere party election and not a popular vote is not fully convincing as to the latter's notability. Gotitbro (talk) 06:33, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

  I think he's more notable for trying to call an independence referendum on his first day in attempted service than for being...whatever one calls a native Glaswegian ethnic minority or minority ethnic leader in Scotland. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:25, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. what about the first Zhuang governor of Guangxi province while we're at it? Sheila1988 (talk) 09:30, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support – Yes, Scotland has less autonomy than some other subnational entities. But 1), the countries of the UK get significantly more worldwide media coverage than things like the governor of California (which, like I said when Sturgeon resigned, has a higher population and GDP and msot other metrics than some sovereign states, proving that "a bunch more people live there" isn't a valid reason to oppose), and 2) the campaign for Scottish independence remains significant and ITN-worthy in my opinion. DecafPotato (talk) 10:08, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• comment from nominator. I'll remember all this 'we don't do regions' during the US primaries then. but no doubt the US bias will rule differently at that point and we'll have a whole bunch of stuff about Super Tuesday and guff that only affects 'regions' of the US. 148.64.29.90 (talk) 11:02, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

  As far as I am aware, we have never posted Super Tuesday in ITN. Modest Genius ^talk 11:15, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

  Even so, and this may be controversial, but I think a major US party nomination (especially for a contentious race like what's going on in the Republican party) could be argued for notability in ITN. I live in the UK, so it's not out of some American bias, but because American politics naturally has more weight as a. It is predominantly the focus of most major, reliable news outlets, and b. The US heavily influences the entire world. That being said, I'm sure there's plenty of good counter-arguments. Just my take. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:18, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support, If it is not ITNR it does not mean it is not suitable for ITN. Alex-h (talk) 14:23, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Strong Support, a major event. Khan, Sunak, now Yousaf Kirill C1 (talk) 14:27, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Strong oppose We wouldn't post if AOC became Governor of New York, or Omar the Governor of Minnesota, or Haaland the Leader of the Democratic party. Not ITNR, and not very notable. Sunak was an exception as it is somewhat the British equivalent of the US president, but this is a subnational election being held in a country-that-really-isn't. Cheers. WimePocy 16:54, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

  Sunak wasn't an exception. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:01, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose minor local politics. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:23, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

  Only relating to one area does not disqualify something from ITN, and I'd hardly classify Scotland's first minister as 'minor' – the fact that it made international news already distinguishes it from the 'US governor' comparison as well. DecafPotato (talk) 02:40, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  Does it? High-profile governor's races make it to international news occasionally. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 05:17, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, we have a long standing aversion to sub-national politics for a reason: it becomes very difficult to decide where to draw the line. I could see this creeping further to include, for example the governor of California, mayors of Paris, Tokyo, Berlin... We already feature a lot of political news, no need to expand this - Dumelow (talk) 07:09, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

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March 27

Portal:Current events/2023 March 27

March 27, 2023 (2023-03-27) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine A Russian missile strike on Sloviansk, Donetsk Oblast, kills at least two civilians and injures 29 others. (Euronews) The head of the Blagodarnensky District in Stavropol Krai, Russia, announces the death of Dmitry Lisitsky, commander of a battalion of the 247th Guards Air Assault Regiment who participated in the 2014 Battle of Ilovaisk. Ukraine says that he was killed in battle while pro-Russian sources say that he committed suicide. (Novaya Gazeta Europe) Afghanistan conflict Six people are killed and several others are injured when a suicide bomber detonates himself near the Ministry of Foreign Affairs headquarters in Kabul, Afghanistan. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents At least seven people are killed by a landslide in Alausí, Chimborazo Province, Ecuador. (BBC News) A train transporting hazardous materials derails near Wyndmere, North Dakota, United States, with 31 out of 70 train cars damaged. (KARE-TV) Eleven people are killed after a fire breaks out in a warehouse in Cang County, Hebei, China. (AP) Twenty people are killed and around 29 others are injured after a bus crashes and overturns in 'Asir Province, Saudi Arabia. (Al Jazeera) International relations Foreign relations of Taiwan Cross-Strait relations Former Taiwanese President Ma Ying-jeou becomes the first Taiwanese leader to visit mainland China since the end of the Chinese Civil War in 1949, meeting with China's Taiwan Affairs Office deputy chair Chen Yuanfeng in Shanghai. Taiwan's ruling Democratic Progressive Party criticized this visit as "endorsing" China's position on Taiwan. (Al Jazeera) Honduran President Xiomara Castro orders Taiwanese diplomats to vacate the country's embassy in Tegucigalpa within 30 days, one day after the country established diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China. (Reuters) Enlargement of NATO Finland–Hungary relations The National Assembly of Hungary votes 182–6 to approve Finland's accession to NATO, leaving Turkey as the last remaining NATO member to approve Finland's membership in the military alliance. (France 24) Law and crime 2023 Covenant School shooting Six people are killed in a mass shooting at the Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee, United States. The suspect is later killed by responding police officers. (CNN) Burkina Faso suspends France 24 broadcasts after the news agency aired an interview with the leader of al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb earlier this month. The Burkinabé government accused France 24 of being a "mouthpiece for terrorists" and "hate speech", which the agency denies as "unfounded". (Reuters) One person is killed and five others are injured in a mass stabbing at a school in São Paulo, Brazil. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2023 Israeli anti-judicial reform protests Prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu announces a pause on his government's controversial judicial reform bill until April 30, the opening of the Knesset's summer session. (USA Today) 2023 Scottish National Party leadership election Health and Social Care Secretary Humza Yousaf is elected as the new leader of the separatist Scottish National Party, defeating Finance Secretary Kate Forbes with 52.1% of the vote. (BBC News) The Iraqi Parliament passes 206–12 a series of amendments reducing the electoral districts in each governorate to one, ahead of local elections in November. Voting blocs and independent members who boycotted the vote claim the amendments make it more difficult for the opposition to get elected. (Al Jazeera) Science and technology Censorship of TikTok, Censorship of Twitter France bans the use of Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, and other apps on government employees' phones due to concerns relating to insufficient data security measures. (AP) Scientists discover lunar water samples in tiny glass beads from the Moon in studies published by the Nature Geoscience journal. (ABC News)

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RD: Gianni Minà

Article: Gianni Minà (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8]
Credits:

• Nominated by Oltrepier (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Doc Cardio (talk · give credit), Gianluigi02 (talk · give credit), Cavarrone (talk · give credit), Robby.is.on (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A key figure in Italian journalism, I didn't manage to nominate him until now. At the moment, the main issue is the evident lack of sources, but I hope I'll be able to solve it as soon as possible. Oltrepier (talk) 08:31, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Cuban parliamentary election

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Article: 2023 Cuban parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Communist Party of Cuba wins the parliamentary elections. They were the first elections since 1976 in which neither Fidel nor Raúl Castro are involved. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Parliamentary elections are held in Cuba, the first since 1976 without either Fidel or Raúl Castro.
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Cuba holds election. Needs updates. Rushtheeditor (talk) 23:44, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Article needs considerable updates/expansion. The Kip (talk) 00:39, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Nothing of value has changed in a single-party country. And the article, as pointed out above, is far from perfect. --Bedivere (talk) 01:23, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Comment I searched WP:ITNR and there is nothing saying that single-party countries are to be excluded. Is your rationale based on ITNR or personal opinion? Tube·of·Light 02:29, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - Single-party state, elections effectively mean nothing. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:16, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Weak Oppose - Just another sham election. TomcatEnthusiast1986 (talk) 00:25, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - WP:GOODFAITH nomination, however, it's an election in a single party state. Big deal. Crusader1096 (message) 01:46, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Weak support - since its the first election in Cuba not under the Castros, I reckon that this is fine for posting since it's WP:ITNR. - Knightsoftheswords281 i.e Crusader1096 ( Talk Contribs Rights ) 03:33, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Might I add that this is under the condition that the primary article is expanded and improved upon. - Knightsoftheswords281 i.e Crusader1096 ( Talk Contribs Rights ) 03:35, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Reinstating original vote following alteration of blurb. - Knightsoftheswords281 i.e Crusader1096 (Talk|Contribs|Wikis) 21:13, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment We do post the results of sham elections, such as Kazakhstan which is currently posted, but there is a distinction between the circumstances there and here. Curbon7 (talk) 01:51, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Not to defend Kazakhstan's government, but Kazakhstan is more akin to a competitive-authoritarian or illiberal democratic system, not a true one-party state. Besides, Kazakhstan's was notable in that it was the most competitive in their history, in relative terms. AFAIK not so in CubaThis post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:02, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

    Hence there is a distinction between the circumstances there and here. Curbon7 (talk) 02:07, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality (note: there is nothing in ITNR saying single-party elections are not ITNR) Tube·of·Light 02:29, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose The blurb is not accurate. The CPC did not win the election because the candidates do not represent that party and are not necessarily members. Instead, the candidates represent local assemblies and other bodies such as women's organisations. And there's no "winning" because it's not a competitive process. The voters just get to approve the single choice for each constituency. Most voters just tick a box saying that they approve all 470 candidates. So, what matters is who was selected as candidates by the National Candidature Commission. But the article doesn't list them – there's no list of names, who they represent and which constituency they were elected to. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:37, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Conditional support if and only if the blurb can be written in a concise way that explains the actual result without implying that this was in any sense a competitive election for the Communist Party as an organisation. GenevieveDEon (talk) 16:56, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Wrote altblutb to account for the single-party nature of Cuba. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 17:53, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose good faith nom per above. Article is completely inadequate for one covering national "elections" and the elections were just a rubber stamp affair in a Communist police state. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:20, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Blurb is 100% false, with claim that neither Castro were involved in the 1976 "election". The Communist Part of Cuba won all the seats in 1976, and Fidel Castro was both the leader of the party and of the country before and after the 1976 election. Perhaps User:Rushtheeditor can explain this Stalin-like historical revision? Nfitz (talk) 19:25, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  Excuse me? I saw that ON the page, and I DID NOT write that on there. I assumed (my fault) that it was true and posted it. Do not accuse me of such ‘historical revision’. Rushtheeditor (talk) 20:20, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  Uncalled for. Mistakes happen; stating that an editor's honest mistake is a Stalin-like historical revision is absolutely a personal attack. Curbon7 (talk) 01:38, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support altblurb - oppose the tut-tutting of the anti-countering systemic bias in favor of entrenching it fuller crowd. People want to talk about elections but had no problem posting this "election" in which 140k people decided the UK PM, or this one in which not even that level of "election" took place. nableezy - 20:23, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  This is ITN/R and all the arguments about Cuba's elections dont count because I dont believe in Cuban elections should be ignored and tossed aside. The only objection that has merit here is quality, and of the people discussing it that does not seem to be a stopping point here. This should be posted, and the people advocating for keeping ITN a bastion of Western superiority should be rebuked. nableezy - 16:22, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment I apologize for the original blurb. I see how it is wrong and I will learn from this and be more careful when proposing blurbs. Again, I am sorry for this. Rushtheeditor (talk) 21:12, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
  • No worries at all, we all make mistakes and people can sometimes be too harsh on here. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 21:23, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Feels like SNOW is in the offing here, but I still passionately believe that we should post these sorts of elections. No one's refuting that Cuba's a one-party system, and I can understand a lack of belief that anything will change with this election. However, I believe this is an ITN/R election and thus merits posting. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:20, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  The reason I, and I suspect some others are opposing this, is because this was not in fact an election in any generally accepted sense of the term. The labels of the Communist Party notwithstanding. You can call a turd a strawberry, but that doesn't make it so and I don't think we should be promoting that kind of blatant fantasy to our readers. The subject is certainly notable enough for coverage in the encyclopedia. But presenting this farce on the main page as an election would be gravely misleading. Wikipedia should not be serving turds and labeling them strawberries. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:30, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  So you sit in judgment of another country's system of governance and deny it the legitimacy of Wikipedia's front page? And that is not systemic bias? nableezy - 22:34, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  I don't consider the Communist Party or any official organ of the Cuban Government as a reliable source. I am unaware of any reliable source that treats this as in any way, an election in the generally accepted sense of the term. If you want to call that systemic bias, then I plead guilty. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:55, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  Besides the al-Jazeera source cited, there is Reuters, NBC News, hell even Fox calls them elections. Uncontested ones of course, but they are elections according to reliable sources. nableezy - 23:56, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  They are all reporting the claims of the Cuban government, which is entirely proper. We should likewise report the claims, and we do in the article. But none of them have in any way suggested that what the Cubans are labeling elections, are in fact such. No reliable source has called these true elections, and many have made it fairly clear that they are not. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:23, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

  What exactly is the "blatant fantasy" here? We know this election happened. You can debate the actual impact, but there was indeed a parliamentary election just held in Cuba, legitimate or not. Call it a semantic argument, but the phrase "sham election" contains the word "election" in it. The phrase simply means the election was not legitimate. The only way for you to believe this "turd" is a "strawberry" is if. quite frankly, you can't read or you didn't actually click on the article. It's not our job to cater to those who have no interest in actually reading what Wikipedia has to tell them. To quote Benjamin Franklin, "Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn". DarkSide830 (talk) 03:34, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support – There is no clause that excludes one-party or unfair elections from being posted to ITN. DecafPotato (talk) 21:40, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Wait We have no idea how any potential discussion on the removal of Cuban parliamentary elections from R might go, best to let that play out first, like with the despised and printed rocket failure. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:38, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Question do we post Chinese parliamentary (not merely Xi) elections? Because I feel that's the most appropriate comparison/precedent here. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 02:21, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

  It depends. Do RS come out and confirm politics (not merely government) as a significant motive and do we feel that an election winner of that motive is sufficiently interesting to post? If so, sure, sounds like news. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:43, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

  Hmmm, I don't see either of those things here. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 03:55, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

  Precisely. So we Oppose. We may still disagree on whether a political motive is more crucial to promoting potentially developing election coverage than in the retelling of a relatively popular modern horror story as it unfolds. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:28, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per comrade InedibleHulk. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 05:39, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Yes elections are ITNR, but that is not the sole criteria. Firstly we have to look at the article quality (per ITNR itself) which is completely absent here, a few barebones paras mostly about the results without any contextual information on the history, conduct, impact and analysis. Secondly, we have to look at the precedent for such noms here on ITN; we have not posted elections or other leadership changes in similar one-party communist states beyond the general secretary positions, i.e., who actually holds power. The recent examples being China and Vietnam. This fails on both criterias, and I see no reason to deviate. Gotitbro (talk) 06:57, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Good points. Looking at the detail, there's some mysteries which the article doesn't explain. The number of seats was reduced by over a hundred but it's not clear what the practical effect of this has been. And exactly how many are there? There's a couple of numbers floating around – 470 and 474 – but which is it? I get the impression that the detail is fuzzy because it doesn't much matter. The actual headline figure seems to be the turnout as the closest thing the system gives to a verdict on the government (which doesn't change). Andrew🐉(talk) 08:16, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. Elections are ITNR because the assumption is that they are of political significance and therefore in the news. This assumption does not apply in the case of sham elections of rubberstamp parliaments in autocracies, because such "elections" have no political impact. Sandstein 09:06, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

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(Closed) Covenant School shooting

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Article: 2023 Covenant School shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Seven people including the shooter are killed in a mass shooting at the Covenant school in Nashville USA (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the United States, seven people are killed, including the perpetrator, in a mass shooting at the Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In the United States, a transgender person kills six people in a mass shooting at the Covenant School in Nashville, Tennessee, before being killed by police. (NOTE: Only include this if allegations of this being a hate crime or relating to the perpretrator's transgender identity are true)
News source(s): BBC, CNN Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Idislikenames (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I'm not going to convince anyone with this so instead I will plead with you to be civil. If we cannot than I think we should consider asking the arbitration committee to lay down some sort of law. Aure entuluva (talk) 02:32, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Mass shootings such as this are commonplace in the United States.

Noah^Talk 02:43, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

• Wait @Hurricane Noah, although shootings are common in the US, we usually tend to post those with a peculiar motive. From what it seems there's a decent chance that this may have been a politically motivated shooting, with the perpetrator being transgender and possibly being motivated by transphobia and the like. However, since WP:RSes are slow to progress and all of these claims are still in dispute and unverified, it's best to wait. If these accusations are authenticated, I will support.

Crusader1096 (message) 02:51, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm just concerned with the fact there have been 9 shootings with more victims than this one thus far this year and that there has been a mass shooting five of the past seven days. Noah^Talk 02:57, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support Major news story, #1 story in the U.S. today, high quality article to post. For the purposes of ITN, the number that happen per year is irrelevant. Motive is irrelevant. The other mass shootings don't get this kind of news coverage. The ones that rise to "No Way to Prevent This" mockery are the almost 1:1 the ones that we should be posting. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:17, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  The other mass shootings don't get this kind of news coverage; I would disagree with this statement at the moment to be honest. With most mass shootings of this scale, there's a lot of instant coverage which tapers off in the following days. Curbon7 (talk) 03:46, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  Many mass shootings don't have Wikipedia articles because they don't get this kind of news coverage. And "instant coverage which tapers off in the following days" refers to a lot of what ITN posts, or should be posting. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:56, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. Tragic, but as is the case with many of these shootings, not notable to ITN levels. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:02, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - an absurd nomination. Six deaths in a US shooting - that must make it Tuesday. We've had this discussion before. Reading the nomination statement, User:Hurricane Noah nominated this fully knowing it wouldn't go through. Isn't that disrupting Wikipedia to make a point? Nfitz (talk) 04:19, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

  However, it isn't Hurricane Noah–I don't see their green glow with a splotch of red at the end of the nominator statement! Tails Wx 04:35, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Wx ... I completely misread the first three posts! Nfitz (talk) 04:43, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - tragic but predictable in a country awash with guns. Therapyisgood (talk) 04:21, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support any alternate blurb: "Nashville USA" isn't the best, but the event's made it onto French and German front pages and the article's good enough. RAN1 (talk) 04:27, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose fourth deadliest mass shooting in the first three months of 2023, fifth at a school since the last couple years. Kind of like posting a bombing in Kabul pre-2019. Juxlos (talk) 04:47, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• comment: the onion has republished its 'No Way To Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens article, suggesting that this may not be a run-of-the-mill event. dying (talk) 04:55, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:NOTUSA. But I appreciate the effort. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 05:04, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Tragic but not notable. Commonplace and predictable in the US. Ericoides (talk) 05:08, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Comment by the nominator The notability isn't from the death count as much as it is from where the shooting happened. People care about children and school shootings are rare even in the US. By my count there have been 14 school shootings with more deaths in US history. Source: US school shooting before 2000, US school shootings since 2000 Aure entuluva (talk) 05:13, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

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• Note I support the close for the moment but am prepared to re-open the discussion if strong evidence emerges that this was some sort of terrorist/anti-religiously motivated incident. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:30, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Question why is this closed with a yellow box? Banedon (talk) 01:00, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Note Regardless of motive, I think RS have made it pretty clear that a woman who is also a man and shoots up a school that is also a church is a "sufficiently interesting" type of shooter, at least compared to a simple terrorist who shoots women anywhere mostly because he's a man with a political preference for men. Even if you just think of her as a woman who shot someone else's children, that's pretty unusual. But yeah, viewed purely in terms of an American with a gun and inclusive death toll, he or she doesn't stand out. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:33, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Note 2 Please do not delete other editors' comments because you do not agree with them. The close on this nomination is not a hard close and may be re-opened by any editor in good standing who believes the facts now available justify further discussion. FWIW I am ambivalent on that question. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:14, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Note 3 The box this was closed with used to be yellow, only one of us knows why and it doesn't matter anymore. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:08, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment – For the record, this is still in news around the world, which is a longer period than I recall (most) other U.S. shootings getting, and there are a lot of investigations into the motive and background of the perpetrator. I didn't !vote in the pre-close discussing, but I would be open to re-opening the discussion, as this is very much still a developing story. DecafPotato (talk) 02:46, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  What is news around this is the return to the non-debate around gun control, with Democrats trying to push on it hard, while Republicans are deflecting this on the shooter being a trans person. There's little about the actual shooting that's in the news at this point compared to the politic debate. Masem (t) 03:04, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

  Which I think does contribute to the significance of this shooting in particular, no? DecafPotato (talk) 03:41, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

March 26

Portal:Current events/2023 March 26

March 26, 2023 (2023-03-26) (Sunday) Disasters and accidents Mediterranean Sea migrant smuggling At least 29 sub-Saharan Africans are killed when two boats sink off the coast of Tunisia. (France 24) Tornado outbreak of March 24–26, 2023 U.S. President Joe Biden approves an emergency declaration for the state of Mississippi following a storm that killed at least 26 people and caused significant damage, granting federal aid to affected areas of the state. Carroll, Humphreys, Monroe, and Sharkey counties will be the main recipients. (Reuters) Two people are killed and another is missing after a fire breaks out on an oil tanker ship near West Nusa Tenggara, Indonesia. (Reuters) Health and environment A pipeline leak causes an oil spill at Poole Harbour in Dorset, England, in which more than 200 barrels of reservoir fluids, including oil, leak into a Site of Special Scientific Interest. The RSPB reported sightings of oiled birds. (BBC News) International relations China–Honduras relations Honduras switches its formal diplomatic recognition of "China" from the Republic of China to the People's Republic of China. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2023 Cuban parliamentary election Citizens in Cuba head to the polls to elect the members of the National Assembly. (Bloomberg via Yahoo! News) 2023 Turkmen parliamentary election Citizens in Turkmenistan head to the polls to elect the 125 members of the Assembly. (MenaFN) 2023 Israeli judicial reform protests Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu dismisses Defense Minister Yoav Gallant after Gallant called on the government to pause discussions on a controversial judicial reform bill. (MSN)

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(Closed) The Boat Race

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Article: The Boat Race 2023 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Cambridge University win the men's and women's events of The Boat Race. (Post)
News source(s): The Times, The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Whizz40 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by InedibleHulk (talk · give credit)

 Whizz40 (talk) 18:49, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality. The Boat Race 2023 is the appropriate article - needs fixing up like in prior years. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:59, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm unsurprised that the article is of far lesser quality than previous years, since it's since been removed from ITN/R. Well done, everyone. Black Kite (talk) 19:04, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

To be fair, it's not just that, it's the relentless hatred that's stopped me bothering. Fuck it, why bother? The ex-colonials win and the encyclopedia loses. Standard stuff these days. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:20, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

If this article was of the quality of previous years, I would have supported, not that it would help with the below. I do think the arguments of ITN being only suitable for surprising things that aren't scheduled events to be reasonably blind that almost everything outside of an act of God is scheduled, and something being "amateur" or "niche" isn't of itself not culturally relevant. If you do want to fix it up, or just want someone to update the item, drop me a line. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:40, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on significance. A minor event with limited international coverage. nableezy - 19:00, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Amateur competition with only two entrants, little public interest, and all the other significance issues that were raised in the recent discussion on WT:ITN. Modest Genius ^talk 19:06, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

  Not being on ITBR does not exclude a topic from being discussed as its ITNC entry. Masem (t) 19:09, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

  I am well aware of that. I specifically referred to the significance concerns that were discussed there, not the outcome (delisting). Many of those arguments also apply to an individual nomination. Modest Genius ^talk 19:18, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

  Very true, albeit I believe he meant that his oppose is based off the same significance reasons given to remove it from ITNR (as opposed to arguing it shouldn’t be posted because it was removed). The Kip (talk) 19:19, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose MVP Jasper Parish doesn't have an article, much less a suitable picture, and Jasper Parrish is awful. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:11, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

  Have you tried writing relevant comments with your !votes? GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:56, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

  It is relevant. When we post a sport, we usually post someone's picture and both sources agree he's the hero here (though not "MVP", exactly). He's also not mentioned at the target article. If that's not reason enough, its latest source is from 2016. Retrieved then, anyway. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:01, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per Nableezy. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:14, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Nableezy. The Kip (talk) 19:18, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Are we happy now? Did we somehow improve the English-language Wikipedia by doing this? – Muboshgu (talk) 19:20, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

  To be frank, it seems like the entire reason this was on ITN/R at all was to appease some disgruntled old hand. The main page should not be held hostage by vested contributors, and yes I think not featuring unimportant crap like a rowing race between two and only two universities on the main page is improving Wikipedia. nableezy - 19:32, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

  To be frank, seems like you're full of hatred against a 200-year institution which is broadcast around the globe. The main page was never "held hostage" (emotive language, typical of people like you), I always produced top quality material for ITN. You fucked it all up for a large number of people, so well done you. Applause. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:35, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

  Wee bit childish, innit. But hatred would imply I give a shit. Hint, I dont. nableezy - 19:37, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

  Despite what you may believe about its significance, it still receives absolutely minimal media coverage; having googled it, literally the only non-UK-based source reporting on the race or its results is the Olympics/IOC. Arguing for it to be kept, as a limited-coverage event between two and only two colleges, is effectively akin to arguing for us to post the result of Michigan versus Ohio State every year, which obviously should not be posted (and British editors would certainly be opposed to). The wider, not-just-British consensus was that it doesn’t meet ITNR’s standards for inclusion, and the consensus here seems to be that it doesn’t meet ITNC’s either; you can either accept the consensus of the English-language (not just English!) Wikipedia, or continue to be a sore loser of sorts as your comments are indicating. The Kip (talk) 19:40, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is far too brief at this stage. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:48, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
• The way this process has played out is sad. Just very, very sad. An ugly vendetta has spilled out into open view on ITN/C and completely poisoned the well. I think there is plenty of shame to go around for all of us. Can we just close this before it gets worse. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 20:05, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

• Theres only one person showing any type of vendetta here, but apparently its just the ex-colonists (imagine thinking being a colonizer is a good thing lol) lashing out. There is exactly one person acting like a child here. Guess who it is. nableezy - 20:07, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

  Nobody appears rosy here, and I certainly find it depressing that you indirectly referred to an editor's long-time work as unimportant crap. I ask again the same question posed by Muboshgu: How have we improved the encyclopedia through this rabid and toxic bickering? ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 20:30, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

  The Boat Race is unimportant crap. The articles are lovely. They can still be on the main page as DYK and FA when they make GA and FA. They just dont belong "In The News" because the news (worldwide) largely ignores it as unimportant. Asked and answered on the question. But the only toxicity is coming from one person here. One person you seem disinclined to say anything about. nableezy - 20:35, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Could you show a little sensitivity and civility here? 331dot (talk) 20:39, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Sure if Im not called an ex-colonial who fucked it all up for a large number of people. Strange sliding scale you have for civility. And why does this need sensitivity? Compared to things like this I think Im a paragon of sensitivity and civility. But theres that sliding scale I guess. nableezy - 20:46, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

• That this was removed from ITNR kinda shows ITN has lost its way and purpose. The vitriol here doesn't help. The article involved might have gotten more work and attention had there been a willingness to post it, as it has previously. Does that help the encyclopedia? If you want Michigan v Ohio State posted, nominate it and tell us why. Neither Michigan or Ohio State is as old as Cambridge and Oxford, but maybe we've missed something. This longtime race watched live by hundreds of thousands and on TV by millions between two ancient universities is important to some, even if others don't think so. We should be thinking about readers here and we're not. Sorry to digress but, that's my two cents. And I do support this on the merits. 331dot (talk) 20:39, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

  If I can pay attention and update the article, having no interest in the race and taking vitriol, anyone can. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:42, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality. Noah^Talk 20:43, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment I recommend removing this nomination until the article has been improved further. When it is more complete it could be renominated. Please do not be deterred by the negativism in this thread, of which there is sadly too much. Last year's Boat Race article became featured. This one could be featured too, and appear on the home page through that alternative, if not through the News. Jehochman ^Talk 20:48, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per all of the above - User:Editor 5426387 (talk) 20;50, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

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RD: María Kodama

Article: María Kodama (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Buenos Aires Herald
Credits:

• Nominated by BorgQueen (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Jorge Luis Borges' widow and the sole owner of the rights to his work. Needs more update. BorgQueen (talk) 03:31, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

RD: Oladipo Diya

Article: Oladipo Diya (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Premium Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Ammarpad (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Nigerian military officer; article needs some more update – Ammarpad (talk) 21:00, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support article looks good (long enough + no unsourced paras) enough for RD. Cheers. WimePocy 12:16, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

RD: Innocent (actor)

Article: Innocent (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Innocent Vareed Thekkethala an actor and Indian MP . Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:11, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article needs many citations. Rushtheeditor (talk) 20:51, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

March 25

Portal:Current events/2023 March 25

March 25, 2023 (2023-03-25) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Yemeni Civil War Three Yemeni soldiers are killed and several others are injured by a Houthi drone attack on a convoy carrying government officials, including Yemen's defense minister. (Xinhua) Disasters and accidents Pokhran missile incident Three surface-to-air missiles are misfired by the Indian Army during an exercise in the Pokhran ranges in the western Jaisalmer district of Rajasthan, India. There are no reports of damage or casualties. (Dawn) Tornado outbreak of March 24–25, 2023 A deadly tornado outbreak hits Mississippi, United States, killing at least 26 people, devastating several rural towns, and prompting Governor Tate Reeves to declare a state of emergency, while President Joe Biden promises federal assistance. (BBC News) Three people are killed by heavy snow and rainfall in Afghanistan. (AP) One person is killed and three others are injured in a train crash at Galați railway station in Romania. (Digi24) International relations Nagorno-Karabakh conflict 2022–2023 blockade of the Republic of Artsakh The Ministry of Defence in Russia accuses Azerbaijan of violating the 2020 ceasefire agreement after a unit of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces crosses the Line of Contact in Shushi Province, Artsakh, and seizes control of dirt roads near the Lachin corridor. (France 24) Russia and weapons of mass destruction, Belarus–Russia relations Russian President Vladimir Putin announces that Russia will station tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus by July. The nuclear missiles will be operated by Russian forces. It will be the first time that Russian nuclear weapons have been deployed abroad since 1996. (BBC News) (Reuters) Law and crime Russian invasion of Ukraine Yevgeny Prigozhin, leader of the Wagner Group, says that more than 5,000 prisoners have been pardoned following the completion of their contracts in Ukraine. (Reuters) Corruption in Venezuela Twenty-one Venezuelan government officials and businessmen are arrested in an anti-corruption probe targeting state oil company PDVSA and cryptocurrency regulator Sunacrip. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2023 New South Wales state election Labor is declared the winner after Chris Minns wins at least 47 seats. Premier Dominic Perrottet concedes defeat and resigns as Liberal leader. (Reuters) (Bloomberg) Science and technology Asteroid 2023 DZ2 makes a close pass between the Earth and the Moon. (BBC) (Al Jazeera) The einstein problem is solved by a single shape that tiles a plane without repeating. (Science News) (New Scientist)

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(Posted) RD: Nick Lloyd Webber

Article: Nick Lloyd Webber (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [9], [10], [11]
Credits:

• Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
• Created by Howard352 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Son of Andrew Lloyd Webber, followed his father's footsteps and became a composer. Article looks good, well cited. Ollieisanerd (talk) 19:20, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Article seems good. Rushtheeditor (talk) 20:55, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 01:05, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Frank LeMaster

Article: Frank LeMaster (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Philadelphia Eagles
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported by the Eagles on March 25, although he died on March 23. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:03, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Article seems OK. Alex-h (talk) 12:11, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 04:45, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Ongoing: 2023 New South Wales state election

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Article: 2023 New South Wales state election (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Thiscouldbeauser (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Still being counted, but it the winner has been declared.

• Oppose We don't post subnational elections, and don't post elections to Ongoing. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:24, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Per Mub XxLuckyCxX (talk) 01:30, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Good faith nom but we don't typically post sub-national elections This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:52, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

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• A small but I think reasonable request: Can we please wait for more than a bloody hour before SNOW closing a nomination, especially if it has only garnered three !votes? --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:21, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

• I suppose so, but considering it was three quick opposes on an item that would already be highly unlikely to post considering precedence, in my opinion it was justified. The Kip (talk) 14:50, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
• I don't think that's a reasonable request at all. WP:SNOW is dominating. We've had a long-standing rule not to post the elections of individual states within a federation unless there's a very good reason. Now, I'd like to see that rule loosened somewhat, but if we started posting every subnational election, that's all ITN would ever be. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 22:14, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

• God damnit, I didn't say post every bloody subnational election (and no, we don't have a "long-standing rule"), please do not insinuate that was what I meant. I said can we not SNOW close good-faith nominations within an hour. I thought we were collectively going to try and steer away from making ITN/C a walled garden culture. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:42, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) Ongoing: Protests in Israel

Article: 2023 Israeli anti-judicial reform protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Son Of The Desert (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This has been going on for a while now, and just now Netenyahu's defence minister publicaly called on him to freeze the legislation. It's a big deal and there have been threats of civil war. Son Of The Desert (Talk) 18:31, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Compared to the current French ones, where the number of protestors have been near a million, the numbers here are far less significant. I realize recent changes may cause these to grow. However, I would point out the same issue that most of our protest articles start as: a pure timeline without a significant background section and larger narrative section is not very helpful to readers. Masem (t) 19:33, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

As a proportion of the population I wouldnt say that this is less significant. nableezy - 19:47, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

A bit late, but with ~700,000 Israeli protesters (7-8% of the population) it’s hard to say so. Juxlos (talk) 01:50, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support This is a huge deal with serious implications for Israel's long term politics and constitutional order. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:43, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Support - this was nominated before last month, but it was dismissed as "politics as usual." This is anything but: this can have immense ramifications for Israeli politics and can change the very structure of the country's government. Additionally, @Masem's point regarding the French protests is misleading; 1.5% of France is protesting, and with these protests, as many as nearly 3% have been protesting in Israel. The comparison is not apt. However, I will agree with you @Masem in that it should be expanded into more of an article of proper prose. Crusader1096 (message) 23:12, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support once expanded per Knightoftheswords281. DecafPotato (talk) 23:56, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above. They've been going long enough at a large enough scale to merit an ongoing event. The Kip (talk) 00:57, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support agreed with all above. It also seems these protests won't be ending any time in the near future, or at least the month. Daneellis114 03:18, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Support - Per above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support, especially with news of Netanyahu firing Israel's defense minister. This will only escalate from here. Blade Jogger 2049 ^Talk 18:36, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
• Posting – Muboshgu (talk) 00:46, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
• Post-posting comment Given what has happened over the weekend in Israel, I really think that 1) this needs to be a blurb along the style of "Mass protest arise in Israel after Netanyahu fires its defense minister." and 2) the article needs to be more in depth about what is happening in the govt instead of just covering the protests. eg 2023 Israeli judicial reform and these protests should be in the same article since their timelines go hand in hand. --Masem (t) 03:35, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment: Concur with Masem, I think this could have made a lot of sense as a blurb with consideration for subsequent Ongoing after time as a blurb. Spencer^T•C 04:44, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Agree blurb over ongoing, something like Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu postpones consideration of judicial overhaul in the wake of mass protests, nableezy - 05:39, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb. In light of recent developments, I would also support a blurb with a subsequent drop-off to ongoing. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 21:54, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Asteroid 2023 DZ2

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Article: 2023 DZ2 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Asteroid 2023 DZ2 (pictured) makes a close pass between the Earth and the Moon. (Post)
News source(s): BBC; NPR
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Created by Starcluster (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kheider (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: A near miss this time, it seems, but it will return so it's a reminder of the importance of rocketry and space development. Relevant agencies will be using this as a drill/exercise for planetary defense. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:47, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose no significant impact, not visible without good telescopes, etc. Yes, we do need to be aware of the importance of tracking objects that may hit earth, but close misses are not really good ITN stories, since we generally do not post on "what ifs" --Masem (t) 18:26, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

  It is a once a decade close approach by an object this large and (other than Apophis in 2029) these things are never visible without a telescope. -- Kheider (talk) 08:49, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

  Apophis will be visible without a telescope IIRC. I think when it does pass by Earth we should post it. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:40, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

• Suppose near-misses happen frequently. Fdfexoex (talk) 18:40, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
• AFD. Article seems to fail WP:NASTRO. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 20:46, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

  Google 2023 DZ2 and look at the news tab instead of assuming. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:40, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

  No you. Reaffirming my suggestion to send to AFD. Close passes like this aren't all that infrequent, and a flurry of sensationalist headlines every time there's one doesn't really add up to GNG for the object in question. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:01, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

  How exactly does this fail WP:NASTRO? Seems to fulfil clause IV. Crusader1096 (message) 23:19, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

  Are we looking at the same #4: "The object was discovered before 1850, prior to the use of astrophotography or automated technology.[note 2]", because that's definitely not fulfilled. The NASTRO fail seems pretty clear...the place where there's some room for disagreement is GNG, but I still feel that it's not satisfied. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 00:00, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

  Three not smaller* objects got this close or closer since the start of a campaign 25 years ago, to stop missing ones from systemic bias (looking where it's easier to discover an asteroid). *size is how big it'd be if it was the most likely shade of gray cause its light reflection efficiency isn't known beyond "most asteroids are between 5 and 25%". Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 02:06, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

  If you think it should be AfD'd, feel free to bring it there. DecafPotato (talk) 23:57, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

  To be fair, an IP technically can’t create an AFD without an (autoconfirmed?) editor to finish the process. Courcelles (talk) 12:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - per @Masem. Crusader1096 (message) 23:17, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem. The Kip (talk) 00:58, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - NEO passes happen a lot, obviously didn't hit anything, no real reason why we should post it. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:39, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, per Masem. Alex-h (talk) 12:05, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

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(Closed) Einstein problem

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Articles: Aperiodic tiling (talk · history · tag) and Einstein problem (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The einstein problem is solved by a single shape that tiles a plane without repeating (pictured). (Post)
News source(s): Science News; New Scientist
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by David Eppstein (talk · give credit) and Tompw (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Thanks to GenevieveDEon for suggesting this. The maths requires care to define exactly but its visual nature makes it more accessible than most maths breakthroughs and so we should take this opportunity to show our readers the remarkable new hat shape. There are at least two possible target articles and so I've highlighted them both. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:08, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Shouldn't "Einstein" be lowercase? DFlhb (talk) 14:11, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Done, thanks. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:19, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - As I mentioned on the main ITN talk page, the discovery is currently only in pre-print, so I don't know that it's been appropriately reviewed. And neither of the two proposed target articles is in good shape. Aperiodic tiling doesn't even link to Einstein problem, even though the latter is clearly about the former. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:17, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

• Science News reports that "While the paper has yet to be peer-reviewed, the experts interviewed for this article agree that the result seems likely to hold up to detailed scrutiny." Formal publication might take months or years and, by then, the result will be well known and the news will be stale. This therefore seems the best window for us to share this development. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:29, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

That's helpful, thank you. If the articles can be improved, I would be inclined to reverse my position. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

We always wait on the publication of a peer-reviewed paper for ITN. Masem (t) 15:45, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

No, we don't. Just about nothing that appears at ITN is based on a peer-reviewed paper that has been through the ponderous process of academic publishing. Instead, most stories are based on news reports and press releases. For example, see the Afghan earthquake which has just been posted. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:21, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

For all scientific and medical-based stories (this is one), we expect a peer-reviewed source per SCIRS and MEDRS. Newspapers and the general media are not experts to be able to judge if the results are valid. Masem (t) 18:27, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

No, the details of a recent earthquake, such as its magnitude, are a scientific matter – that science is seismology. The same applies to other occurrences such as weather (meteorology), space (astronomy and astrophysics), &c. Just about everything is covered in some way by academia but we do not require peer-reviewed papers. What we require is that it's in the news. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:01, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

There's a bit of a difference between the occurrence of a massive natural disaster (reported by mainstream news, with immediate and up-to-date facts) and the solving of a long-standing math problem (which still requires peer-review to confirm). The Kip (talk) 01:00, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

The key difference is that insisting on a different level of sourcing for mathematics introduces an arbitrary and systemic bias. It accentuates ITN's tendency to run topics which are recurring, repetitive and routine while shutting out those which are actually new. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:48, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Nope, given how math proofs can generally be easily verified by other skilled mathematicians, compared to other scientific fields where the peer-review has to be based on an assessment of the data quality and methods used rather than recreation, expecting a peer-reviewed source for a mathematics proof is absolutely reasonable and within expectations.

Now, in a case like this, where the result is an interesting result but one with little practical application, as opposed to demonstrating, hypothetically, that NP-hard problems can be solved in P-time which would have massive impacts on computing technology, that the news is reporting it prior to a peer-review shows that its more a curiosity than a groundbreaking discovery. So we're not creating a bias here. Masem (t) 13:27, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Let's look at the evidence and do the math. There's 10 nominations at WP:ITN/C currently which are STEM in some way. The only ones which have been posted are those which feature some deaths - the earthquake and tornado. So, that's all that matters in practise. But the trouble is that "if it bleeds, it leads" is a journalistic, tabloid sensibility. ITN is posting sensational stories and snubbing science. That's systemic bias. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:33, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - It may take a while, but peer review exists for a reason. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:33, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
• Question Is this actually... important? I've read the target articles and sources, and while the problem has existed for a long time and might have applications in material sciences, I'm not convinced (but could be!) this really matters all that much. -- Kicking222 (talk) 15:15, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

  Was the proof that pi has infinite digits important? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:10, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose This is material suitable to DYK, not ITN as its not a major scientific breakthrough. --Masem (t) 15:38, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - Per @Masem. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:18, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per Masem. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:09, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
• Infinite support outweighs any finite number of opposes.Fdfexoex (talk) 18:12, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

  An editor can still express uncountably infinite opposition below, which would outweigh your relatively small support :) Son Of The Desert (Talk) 19:54, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support, maybe not as important as a darts tournament or a storm, but I think that a solution to a half century problem deserves to be posted. Alexcalamaro (talk) 20:17, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per Masem and Genevieve. The Kip (talk) 01:01, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

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(posted) RD: Gordon Moore

Article: Gordon Moore (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by LunafreyaLaphicet (talk · give credit) and Cielquiparle (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:24, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support, article is relatively short but very well sourced. DFlhb (talk) 02:37, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support I see just a couple statements that could use citations but this is well sourced for a bio. --Masem (t) 02:42, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support Moore is a very influential person in the field of computer science, and in fact has a whole "law" of Computer Science named after him (Moore's law). RPI2026F1 (talk) 02:57, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
• support blurb obviously. Household name due to the law 5.44.170.26 (talk) 04:21, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

• I definitely wouldn't consider this to be an obvious blurb. Gordon Moore is not a name that everyone would know (i.e. not really a household name), and I doubt the average person has heard of Moore's law either. A highly influential businessman and engineer, who co-founded and oversaw a company that could stake a legitimate claim to having changed the world, but I feel like blurbs are generally reserved for individuals who are known to pretty near everyone. Kurtis ^(talk) 10:50, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
• I'd support a blurb; Steve Jobs had one when he died, and I'd say Moore was just as significant if not more. DFlhb (talk) 12:59, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

• The difference is that Steve Jobs was a household name—everyone knew who he was. Gordon Moore is certainly a major figure in electronics engineering (indeed, I argue above that Moore flat-out changed the world) but he doesn't have the same name recognition. Kurtis ^(talk) 18:08, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb - Sadly, Moore was definitely not a household name. There's an issue of small sample sizes here - Wikipedia editors are vastly disproportionately likely to have heard of him. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:18, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Lead is sparse.—Bagumba (talk) 09:30, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
• Posting. The lead the is sparse but still works. --Tone 09:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

  Yeah, it was borderline of when I'd apply the orange {{Lead too short}}.—Bagumba (talk) 10:00, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Support RD, Oppose blurb - Notable figure, but not enough to warrant a blurb.

I feel like we need an ITN/R for recent deaths, so we can figure out who is notable enough for a blurb and who isn't. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:43, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Call it ITN/BD for blurbable deaths and put Gene Hackman and William Shatner on the list. Fdfexoex (talk) 18:29, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

It's a bit of a morbid subject, but yes I think we should probably post them when they die (hopefully later rather than sooner). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:45, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Creating such a list would be impossible. When examining those recent deaths that do occur and determining whether they are eligible for a blurb, one of the factors that comes into play is the suddenness or unexpectedness of the death. For example, if the currently-serving head of state of a country dropped dead tomorrow, this would or should prompt a blurb (notwithstanding those editors who have their own personal criteria that exclude all but the most transcendent people from receiving blurbs). As a famous figure becomes older and gains distance from the apex of their career, it becomes more difficult to justify them having a blurb. The list would need to be changing constantly in order to reflect the reality of the current consensus. I don't think anyone would be up to the task. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:19, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

I'll also note that whether to blurb a recent death depends, for some of us, on the extent to which their article is updated, following their death. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:48, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment. Seems to have posted with missing citations. Premature post. Would not recommend a pull though. Instead someone knowledgeable and who has the ability to, should go in and fix the article. I am out today. Ktin (talk) 18:46, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

  I don't see where citations are missing from the time of your comment —Bagumba (talk) 19:04, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

  I have added tags for your benefit. Please see. Also, if you are helping edit the article, please see if you can fix some of the WP:PROSELINE issues. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 20:57, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

  Still seems to meet WP:ITNQUALITY: Articles should be well referenced; one or two "citation needed" tags may not hold up an article, but any contentious statements must have a source, and having entire sections without any sources is unacceptable. —Bagumba (talk) 06:21, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

  I have resolved the tags now. Cielquiparle (talk) 08:30, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

March 24

Portal:Current events/2023 March 24

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Pennsylvania chocolate factory explosion

Article: 2023 Pennsylvania chocolate factory explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the United States, seven people die and ten people are injured following an explosion at an R.M Palmer Company chocolate factory in West Reading, Pennsylvania. (Post)
News source(s): NYT (paywalled) - CNN - CBS
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Jennytacular (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: High casualty event that surprisingly went under my radar (did anyone else hear about this? I legit just learned about this today). Unusual in its area. - Knightsoftheswords281 i.e Crusader1096 ( Talk Contribs Wikis ) 22:31, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:NEWSEVENT, "Routine kinds of news events (including most crimes, accidents, deaths, celebrity or political news, "shock" news, ... – whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable unless something further gives them additional enduring significance." Andrew🐉(talk) 10:41, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

  A mass casualty explosion at a factory in a first world country is "not notable?" - Knightsoftheswords281 i.e Crusader1096 ( Talk Contribs Wikis ) 13:04, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

  If you don't believe it passes WP:NEVENT, you know where to go. Curbon7 (talk) 19:01, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

  Gas leaks and explosions are commonplace. There was one in Swansea two weeks ago and another in Chester just today. Routine accidents. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:07, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Oppose for different reasons. I honestly don't think that this is "in the news". As you yourself mentioned "High casualty event that surprisingly went under my radar (did anyone else hear about this? I legit just learned about this today)." so this really isn't in the news. Heck, even I rarely heard anything about it. It is definitely unusual though so my mind could change. Though I will say, the I don't like the comment "A mass casualty explosion at a factory in a first world country is 'not notable?'" kind of implies that if it happened in a third world country the overall impact would be "lesser". Onegreatjoke (talk) 14:30, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

I think the impact is more pronounced given that that industrial catastrophes of this scale typically occur in third world countries with more lax building regulations, etc. Not saying its inherently less important, but to be honest, if someone stated that a factory blew up, resulting in seven dead and ten injuries, without prior context, I personally would assume it to be a third world country.

Also, although media coverage seems to have been limited, mainstream sources like CNN, NYT, and CBS are still covering it (see listed sources above). - Knightsoftheswords281 i.e Crusader1096 ( Talk Contribs Wikis ) 14:50, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Honeslty, i do think the article is too stubby though. The timeline (why is the section called timeline?) and the background sections could use a bit more expansion. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:56, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support Oppose on Quality By killing or wounding more than twelve, becoming known to me at the time and having the extraordinary chocolate factory twist, this story meets the InedibleHulk MCE Bar of Approval. I don't think we should name the company, though. Too promotional, too little previously earned notability. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:58, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose solely on article quality. Take out the reactions and you have all of nine sentences about the event. That's not enough. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:43, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on Quality. While I am pleased to see this article was created (because it did not appear to exist last time I checked), it is still a bit stubby as Onegreatjoke noted. And even regardless of the quality issues this may fall a little below the notability line (I feel compelled to vote Neutral on Importance here as this is a local story for me and I'll make sure to abstain to prevent bias). DarkSide830 (talk) 23:13, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment: A little thin in terms of depth, with the article overly reliant on two big quotations that could probably be shortened and integrated into existing text. Spencer^T•C 03:40, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose because this is not notable enough. Factory explosions happen quite frequently, and the only thing that makes this stand out is that it's a chocolate factory. Additionally, it's too short to cover all the necessary stuff. Octopusplushie (talk) 20:22, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) Tornado outbreak of March 24–25, 2023

Article: Tornado outbreak of March 24–25, 2023 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 26 are killed in a tornado outbreak in Mississippi and Alabama, United States (Post)
News source(s): BBC ABC
Credits:

• Nominated by Teemu08 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Tornado outbreak with an unusually large death count (it struck at night) that is expected to rise. Better image likely to come. Teemu08 (talk) 13:12, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support - Currently the top headline on the BBC (as seen from the UK). GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:20, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support given the scale of the devastation. Rest in Peace to the victims. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 14:25, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support - WP:MINIMUMDEATHS does not exist, but we historically have tended to post disasters of this magnitude, with this high of a death toll being a major contributing factor.--⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:34, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support with different image This is a very notable and tragic tornado outbreak notable enough for ITN. However, I feel like the image may not make sense to people not into meteorology. Maybe an image like Late March 2023 Tornado Outbreak 2023-03-25 1406Z.jpg (showing satellite imagery of the outbreak) or Rolling Fork, Mississippi tornado.jpg (showing the 19 deaths tornado) would be better. Infinity (talk - contributions) 15:37, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

• Crossed out the latter image (one currently used) as it is being marked for deletion. Infinity (talk - contributions) 23:04, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article seems to be of good quality. Highly visible and "in the news" tragedy. Kafoxe (talk) 16:03, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Support - per above. RIP. Also, support @RandomInfinity17's calls for the other image to be used, with the blurb acknowledging that the picture shows the wider tornado system. Crusader1096 (message) 16:10, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment. There appears to be a dissonance between the fatality number reported in multiple sections of the article. The Rolling Fork-Silver City tornado section mentions the fatality number as both 19 and 23, while two more are added for Amory. I believe we should rectify this before ITN posting. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:19, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support As per above. The article is in good shape. --Maxxies (talk) 16:56, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

• Strong Support

Deeply saddening event with extreme damage and a high death toll, so I strongly support this being posted onto ITN User:Idontknowlol7

• Support, notable tornado outbreak, and as per above. That was a really catastrophic tornado hitting Rolling Fork, Silver City and Amory, worst I've seen ever. Tails Wx 17:35, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Clearly an extreme and deadly weather event with major media coverage. Article appears to be in decent shape. Jusdafax (talk) 17:39, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support—It’s not like highly destructive tornado outbreaks in the American South and Midwest are uncommon, but a death toll of 23 people does seem exceptional to me. Kurtis ^(talk) 18:12, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Article looks ready to be posted; I saw no {cn} tags in it. This is also an exceptionally catastrophic tornado outbreak which is receiving national and international news coverage. And as reflected in the article's title now, I fear that we have not yet seen the end of this particular tornado outbreak. Vida0007 (talk) 22:35, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment The casualties now include at least two dead from Alabama. Perhaps the blurb could be changed to something like "in the Southern United States, including the states of Mississippi and Alabama."? Kafoxe (talk) 23:20, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Done. Heythereimaguy (talk) 01:19, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

    I would be fine with just "in the Southern United States", because that's what the article says. DecafPotato (talk) 01:43, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Support: unfortunate but important. Article seems ready –lomrjyo^talk 01:34, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

• Note: The image associated with this nomination does not have copyright information associated with it, and it is NOT free for use. This needs to be changed before publishing. wxtrackercody (talk · contributions) 02:32, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

  I would do Late March 2023 Tornado Outbreak 2023-03-25 1406Z.jpg, satellite imagery of the outbreak on March 25. Infinity (talk - contributions) 02:49, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

  We really need to fix this immediately. That image absolutely should not be used, it's not free. Planet specifically says on their website

  Planet’s imagery that is posted online via our owned media channels (i.e., Planet.com, social media and in the press) is done so under creative common CC-BY-NC-SA. Under this license, you are free to share and adapt our imagery as long as you correctly attribute it to Planet (e.g. ©Planet Labs PBC, CC BY-NC-SA 2.0), and properly indicate any change that is made to the imagery. The imagery may not be sold or commercialized under this creative commons license, but interested parties can reach out to [email protected] to discuss licensing our imagery data for commercial purposes.

  I'm not sure if the press piece applies, I saw it widely shared on social media but not by anyone associated with Planet. Philipnelson99 (talk) 04:14, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

  I support using this image as a replacement for the Planet imagery now that it's been removed. Philipnelson99 (talk) 04:25, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

• Can this be posted? It's been up for nearly 24 hours with unanimous support. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:29, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
• Posting. I'll write 25 as per article. --Tone 08:55, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment at a glance, the vast majority of fatalities were caused by a single tornado. Should that one specifically get its own? Juxlos (talk) 04:01, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
• Post-posting comment The article says that the tornado in the blurb caused 22 deaths, so the blurb should be changed. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:06, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

RD: Epeli Ganilau

Article: Epeli Ganilau (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [12]
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable Fijian political figure. Article is lengthy and extensive, but is unfortunately basically unsourced. I'll try my best to remedy it. Crusader1096 (message) 16:45, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

RD: Jean-Jacques Favier

Article: Jean-Jacques Favier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [13]
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German-French astronaut who flew for NASA. Article needs work however. Crusader1096 (message) 16:45, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

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