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Article: John T. Houghton (talk · history · tag)
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Nominator's comments: Noted climate scientist, co-chair of IPCC which received Nobel Peace Prize in 2007. 2A00:23C5:5082:6101:3DAA:1C90:914B:87E5 (talk) 20:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Ronan O'Rahilly

Article: Ronan O'Rahilly (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: Radio Caroline founder The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:16, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ramos v. Louisiana

Good faith nomination... however, consensus to post in not going to develop. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:18, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Ramos v. Louisiana (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Ramos v. Louisiana, the United States Supreme Court rules 6-3 that criminal convictions require a unanimous decision by the jury. (Post)
News source(s): (Reuters), LA Times
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Article might need some improvement, but it is a big court case in the US. Elijahandskip (talk) 23:14, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It doesn’t seem earth-shattering to me; it just requires two states to follow what the other 48 are already doing. P-K3 (talk) 23:38, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, I think the effects on criminal law are significant as it's enshrining a fundamental principle as opposed to merely "yeah, it's the law of the land in almost all of America, except when it isn't." However, given the messy verdict the article needs to be expanded to explain why the justices !voted the way they did. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Having expanded the article, the decision affects all of 2 states (Oregon and Louisiana), and even then, only will cause review of OR's and a portion of Louisiana before 2019 (LA had amended its constitution for unanimous jury convictions now). All other states had cases of unanimous convictions on the books long before this. It is a landmark case in US law, as it is another incorporated Bill of Rights against the states, but its impact is minor relative to the big picture that it is not ITN appropriate as it mostly affirms the status quo. --Masem (t) 00:04, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Milestone court case that has everlasting effects on the United States' entire criminal justice system. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 00:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem, and not seeing this "in the news". --LaserLegs (talk) 00:54, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's definitely in the news, its not hard to find coverage, just that its net effect has little change on most of the US , much less the rest of the world. --Masem (t) 01:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose as someone who's personally interested in this, this is nominally a big deal that overturns a precedent from the 1970s, the "two states" thing notwithstanding. Having said that, I'm not sure if this reaches the level for a blurb that is expected of court cases that aren't directly notable due to the persons involved. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 01:18, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support This case is a rare one, because it makes formal changes to criminal cases; but I take the point most states had already moved in this direction. Nonetheless, it prevents states from exercising their own discretion as to proceedings in their own territory, and it prevents a (granted small) amount of venue shopping. Added LA Times source to the nomination.130.233.3.157 (talk) 06:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose hyperlocalised minor amendment. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 07:07, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A key decision in the question of states' rights vs federal rights, which strikes at the heart of constitutional law as it applies to the criminal law system. (It might be difficult to appreciate its scope from within countries which have a stronger federal system of government -- which the U.S. emphatically does not. The best way currently to appreciate the differences is to look at the vast differences in COVID-19 governmental response between states -- inconceivable in most European and N/S American countries -- and to look at how reviled Obama was for centralizing response to swine flu and Ebola a few years earlier. The battle cry of "states' rights" has not tempered much since the U.S. Civil War.) Essentially, this decision tackles the question of the extent to which states have the ability to interpret the U.S. constitution (see Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution). It is in that sense specifically that the wider ramifications make this decision notable, by changing common practice to federal dictum. Although this does fall within the wider spectrum of Supreme Court cases (after the state courts were given the right to hold jury trials) which have generally determined that Bill of Rights amendments (ie. federal constitutional rights) apply to state trials, very few decisions in this millennium have had comparable weight. (Most of this was ironed out in the 1970s civil rights trials or earlier). Certainly none have had equivalent weight in both the legal sphere and public perception. The right to trial by jury is dear to American hearts. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 09:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Some non-US interest I think. Where I'm from (England) 10-2 is sufficient and I wasn't aware of the US situation. Nigej (talk) 10:01, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Local issue with no clear significance.– Ammarpad (talk) 11:01, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Too local, too minor. - SchroCat (talk) 11:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Minor import in the context of general U.S. jurisprudence. – Sca (talk) 12:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - A handful of judges make a decision that affects a subsection of a subsection of one nation's population. Definitively parochial.--WaltCip (talk) 12:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is prime for a DYK which I plan to sumbit (if no one else does). --Masem (t) 15:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, as this changes an obscure legal point in only state-level courts in Oregon, and historical cases in Louisiana. Whilst some convictions will now be overturned or require a re-trial, that does not seem significant enough to merit an ITN blurb. The article has nothing on implications. I agree it would make a good DYK entry and is new enough. Modest Genius talk 15:34, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Price of oil is negative

Article: Price of oil (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The price of oil becomes negative in the US. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The price of oil in the US becomes negative for the first time in history
News source(s): CNN, NYT
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Article updated

Price of oil just became negative in the US. That's a giant abnormality, as instead of a commodity, "black gold" is a liability/toxic asset. CNN, NYT. 2601:602:9200:1310:31C4:B759:FF29:594C (talk) 22:43, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As with the previous stories on the market turndown, we should wait for a trend. If this lasts for a few days, that might be an issue to post, but a daily blip in a financial market should not be an ITN as proven out from before. --Masem (t) 22:46, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
But NEGATIVE prices is an extreme aberration. It's like having news of a large asteroid with uncertain orbit being predicted to hit Earth, even though later orbit measurements proves "just miss" status. Difference is that this has not happened on the NY Mercantile Exchange since its inception in 1983. 2601:602:9200:1310:31C4:B759:FF29:594C (talk) 22:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We tend to judge blurbs here, which means you have to have one first. Most of the ideas I have would be greeted with either "trivial!" or "Coronovirus 'impacts' cover this." GreatCaesarsGhost 22:59, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Again, there's blips in markets. The media jumps at those, we are looking at the larger picutre. A sustained negative price would be something. But even with that, I would expect a more narrow focus article on why it got to negative like this (is this an extension of the russia-opec price war earlier? is this COVID related? etc.) --Masem (t) 00:05, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose this is one specific type of oil (West Texas Intermediate) for a specific futures contract (May delivery in Oklahoma, and today was the last day trading was allowed for this contract). All the other major oil indices are still positive. Juxlos (talk) 00:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Change to Weak Support based on media coverage. Juxlos (talk) 05:17, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support big deal in business news today, article is decent. Weak because of the one sentence update and because the target it "proseline-y" --LaserLegs (talk) 00:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, this is far crazier than a big one-day drop in stock indices which we routinely post. Needs expansion though. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A huge deal and a milestone on the way towards severe economic downturn. It's not just the government anymore; private companies are willing to pay their customers to stay in business. Contra Juxlos above, this did not just impact WTI; the majority of US-domestic crude went negative. WTI is just the "benchmark" which is reported in the popular press; TX sour was even more negative at ca. -50USD/bbl.130.233.3.157 (talk) 06:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Arguably, a negative price on a core commodity rather undermines the entire concept of industry development, challenging a few other dearly held economic beliefs in the process. (And the prize for the best-timed single commodity trade war ever goes to ... Russia and Saudi Arabia!) No question that the issue has been exacerbated by a sudden sharp drop both in discretionary spending and in demand due to COVID-19 (both possibly ongoing: no job or perma-home job leads to a sharp reduction in travel and industry electricity use, and there are already fewer heating days each year) , but that should not make a difference to its ITN notability. As one political cartoonist put it: such cheap gas prices ... and nowhere to drive. That kind of death spiral can be hard to escape, to the point that the phrase "economic black hole" comes to mind. Time to review some of the patterns of the Great Depression; it took a rather large war to fully lift us out of that one, and the emergence of the military industrial complex to maintain a new western pattern of war = prosperity. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 09:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not the price of oil per se that's gone negative, but the price of contracts for delivery in the near future. Basically, traders are saying "I'll pay you to figure out where the heck to store this stuff". What you're describing would be the spot price, not the futures price going negative. --Carnildo (talk) 04:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment perhaps a superlative would highlight imptact better. Added altblurb.130.233.3.157 (talk) 11:10, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - We can safely say this has never happened before in the history of global economics.--WaltCip (talk) 12:41, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait – Sensational spot coverage internationally April 20, but suggest waiting a few days to ascertain extent, longevity of this possible watershed development. – Sca (talk) 12:58, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You don't need to wait. The news is all around you.--WaltCip (talk) 13:11, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The price is positive again now. "Yesterday's price action is best understood as a quirk or peculiarity of futures trading," said analyst James Trafford of Fidelity International." (BBC). Also, just one line mentioning it in the target article. Black Kite (talk) 13:28, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In NY Tuesday, crude futures were in positive territory but showed volatile fluctuation up & down. – Sca (talk) 16:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The newsworthiness is not diminished simply because oil futures are currently back in positive territory (after OPEC rapidly cut yields). It is not even in the aberration that, at the end of one market day as May futures were expiring, some oil prices dipped below zero. It is simply in the fact that, for the first time ever since oil became something useful, no one wanted oil. Did you ever think anyone would ever say that as fact? At this point, there is so much oil in storage that there is literally no place left to store it! (Some countries have been using the tankers themselves as extra storage.) - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 15:23, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • There's many many footnotes to explain why oil was negative, that it is too simply to say "because no one wanted it". The cost of oil accounts for what people will pay (revenue) against the costs of production, processing, transportation, and storage (costs). There are so many levers on this calculation that a temporary drop into the negatives in one area is just a blip, and any statistician will tell you is something you routinely would ignore if it doesn't sustain a negative value. --Masem (t) 15:32, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose based on this Guardian article, which makes it clear this applies only to one oil market and is expected to rebound quickly. That makes our blurb misleading, and the article has only a single sentence on this topic, providing no more information. Modest Genius talk 15:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Even with the caveats, I think this is still extremely noteworthy and historic. Davey2116 (talk) 18:05, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is a very notable event. It would be good for people to know.Rooves (talk) 18:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This kind of blip is fairly routine in commodities markets. The only reason the price briefly showed as negative, rather than zero, is that environmental legislation mean oil can't be dumped or stockpiled in the same way one can dump unwanted grain or leave coal piled at the minehead until the price goes up, and consequently when the May options expired the traders who'd overpurchased had to pay facilities to store it. ‑ Iridescent 18:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There isn't much to it when you look deep enough; not doing so would be a disservice. Usedtobecool ☎️ 19:22, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Just a note that West Texas Intermediate, 2020 Russia–Saudi Arabia oil price war, Corporate debt bubble, and Financial impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic all have multi-sentence updates on this topic. Featous (talk) 21:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Modest Genius. And too many media outlets proceeding with the clickbait simplification when the single futures market was the one that turned negative. ITN should not sink to their level with atrocious blurbs like that. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 03:20, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Prime Minister of Israel

Article: Prime Minister of Israel (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After an unprecedented three elections in one year, Netanyahu and Gantz sign a unity government agreement ending 17 months of stalemate (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The 2019–20 Israeli constitutional crisis ends with Benjamin Netanyahu as Prime Minister of Israel.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Thirty-fifth_government_of_Israel finally approved following agreement of Benjamin Netanyahu and Benny Gantz ending a seventeen month caretaker government.
Alternative blurb III: ​ After seventeen months, the Likud and Blue and White parties reach a power-sharing agreement between Benjamin Netanyahu and Benny Gantz for the Israeli government.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ After seventeen months of stalemate, the thirty-fifth_government_of_Israel is finally approved with Benjamin Netanyahu as Prime Minister of Israel.
News source(s): JPost NYTimes, Guardian
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 Sir Joseph (talk) 18:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support As was noted earlier, ITN habitually posts election results, and this is of at least comparable notability. Israeli politics have been a mess of late, in part because of changing demographics. The only western country with comparable instability is Italy; but for Italy this is a "normal" state of affairs. For Israel, it emphatically is not. Consider that if Netanyahu had been re-elected or become PM as a result of replacing a previous party leader, ITN would automatically have posted that (given adequate article quality). Sometimes such postings include the party details, but more often they do not. ITN also does not normally include the details of power-sharing in minority results. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 10:22, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: For whatever it is worth, I did add a fourth blurb, emphasising the amount of time involved and Netanyahu's continuance in the post. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 10:24, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – but only for a blurb containing the names of both men, preferably with some minimal indication of their political orientation. (How long it's taken is a side issue.) – Sca (talk) 13:04, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
PS: One possibility (call it Alt5): "Following the Israeli parliamentary election in March, the Benjamin Netanyahu-led Likud forms a coalition government with the Kachol Lavan led by Benny Gantz." (The introductory clause could be replaced by "In Israel," ....) – Sca (talk) 13:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sca, I think alt-III is fine, it has the details without getting too detaily for the blurb, it does mention names, and then the government, which is linked. I think that reads better than alt-IV. Sir Joseph (talk) 13:35, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait - while the formation of a new government after 3 deadlocked elections is significant enough to warrant posting (I dare even say it's ITNR-level, if not in letter then in spirit), this hasn't happened yet. The coalition agreement between Blue&White and Likud does not automatically mean a new government - the government still needs to win a vote of confidence from the Knesset. While this is a likely outcome with the coalition parties seemingly controlling a majority, a lot can happen between now and the vote. I'd support posting a blurb only after the government is sworn in. Rami R 13:59, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt-3 is my first preference, with Alt-2 as my second preference. The key element of the story is the power-sharing agreement between the two men. That needs to be mentioned in the blurb. The story is in the news prominently, AND the article that is now highlighted in those blurbs is in a good state. --Jayron32 14:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt blurb 3. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:30, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: in principle, I think a new government after three elections is important enough to post. However, the nomination is a mess, all five(!) of the proposed blurbs are poor, and it's very difficult to work out what is going on from the numerous partially-overlapping articles. There needs to be an accessible top-level summary somewhere, and the blurb should keep things simple without casting judgement on either the participants or the time taken. Modest Genius talk
  • Oppose per Rami R. Once the Knesset votes to confirm the unity government (a mere formality, which I assume will be in the next couple days?) then this is ITN/R, since it establishes the final results of a general election. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 19:31, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I don’t think it’s ITN/R. The elections themselves are, but not the formation of a government. P-K3 (talk) 01:50, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) 2020 Nova Scotia killings

Consensus yes, posted yes, blurb changes can be discussed on the errors site. --Tone 16:28, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2020 Nova Scotia killings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 13 are killed in a mass shooting attack in Portapique, Nova Scotia, Canada. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least thirteen people die in a spree killing in Nova Scotia, Canada.
Alternative blurb II: ​ At least thirteen people die in a spree killing in rural Nova Scotia, Canada.
News source(s): CBC News, BBC, NYTimes, AP, Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: At least 13 killed in a shooting and arson attack, possibly the deadliest mass shooting in Canadian history. 142.122.141.211 (talk) 00:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Spree: "A merry frolic; especially, a drinking frolic." – Sca (talk) 15:23, 20 April 2020 (UTC

And let's not forget, it's also the name of a German river that flows through Berlin and empties into the Havel (not to be confused with Václav).
– Sca (talk) 15:35, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: François Lafortune Jr.

Article: François Lafortune Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Het Laatste Nieuws, RTBF
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 7-times Olympian, one of two people to share the Belgian record of most appearances. Article is short but everything is sourced I think. Fram (talk) 12:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lucien Szpiro

Article: Lucien Szpiro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Colleague website, colleague tweet
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: French mathematician, Fellow of the American Mathematical Society, known for Szpiro's conjecture; more refs to follow — MarkH21talk 19:47, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The China Securities Regulatory Commission has approved a transaction in which Switzerland's Credit Suisse will take a majority interest in a China securities firm. Credit Suisse will thus be the first foreign bank to own a majority of such a company since the easing of rules about foreign ownership in 2018. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Abba Kyari

Article: Abba Kyari (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Nigerian president's chief of staff, COVID-19 death – Ammarpad (talk) 06:47, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Norman Hunter

Article: Norman Hunter (footballer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable English footballer, COVID-19. Well sourced as I and others rewrote it when he was diagnosed, sadly. Black Kite (talk) 10:27, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Jane Dee Hull

Article: Jane Dee Hull (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AZCentral
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Almost stale already – Muboshgu (talk) 20:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Althea McNish

Article: Althea McNish (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Trinidad and Tobago Newsday
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Fabric designer Andrew🐉(talk) 17:52, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ulrich Kienzle

Article: Ulrich Kienzle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German TV personality, Near East and Middle East (interviews with Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein), political debates Frontal, analyzed in at least one book. - The article was basically there, only with zero references which I changed. Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Posted. El_C 07:28, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to RD) RD: Gene Deitch

Article: Gene Deitch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tagesspiegel Prague Morning Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable animator and comics artist, death noted across multiple countries and languages. Not a Covid19 death. Article seems fully sourced already. Fram (talk) 10:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Christophe (singer)

Article: Christophe (singer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: French singer, COVID-related death. Significant lack of sourcing though. Masem (t) 13:25, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Luis Sepúlveda

Article: Luis Sepúlveda (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Renowned Chilean writer and journalist. Dies from COVID-19. I'm trying to update his article as it really need it. User:Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:58, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) South Korean election

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Article: 2020 South Korean legislative election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the South Korean legislative election, the ruling Democratic Party (leader Lee Hae-chan pictured) and their allies increase their majority in the National Assembly (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Some actual news that isn't coronavirus-related. The results table has been updated but there's no prose reaction yet, or description of the extra steps taken to run the election during a pandemic. Modest Genius talk 13:05, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Juxlos It's unnecessary to say "support per ITNR" as being ITNR means that the merits are not in dispute; only article quality is at issue(and the blurb). 331dot (talk) 17:14, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Keiji Fujiwara

Article: Keiji Fujiwara (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3] (source in Japanese)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Japanese voice actor, most famous for dubbing Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man, as well as other Japanese shows including Crayon Shin-chan and Fullmetal Alchemist. Nahnah4 (talk

  • Weak Oppose The article is (gasp!) reasonably well sourced. But it consists mostly of tables. Once you take them out you have very little left. Needs some text. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:06, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose Long list of "Filmography" but the "Biography" is just a series of bullet points. Nigej (talk) 18:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is very close (surprising given the enormous amount of 'ography), and at 1.5 kB of prose, it's just there. If a Japanese-capable reader could fill in the current disjointed prose with a few more sentences it would pass.130.233.3.31 (talk) 07:28, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per previous three. As noted above, articles that rely too heavily on tables, charts, etc., don't serve readers very well. If we're an encyclopedia, we should be presenting mainly prose. – Sca (talk) 14:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Howard Finkel

Article: Howard Finkel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: World Wrestling Entertainment Hall of Famer, employed by the company for 45ish years and best known as ring announcer. Obviously needs substantial work, but hopefully can get in good shape in the next few days. GaryColemanFan (talk) 18:00, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

April 15

April 15, 2020 (2020-04-15) (Wednesday)
Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Politics and elections

Sports

(Stale) RD: Ranjit Chowdhry

Stale --DannyS712 (talk) 23:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Ranjit Chowdhry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Bollywood Hollywood actor 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:20, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Joe Brown (climber)

Article: Joe Brown (climber) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, The British Mountaineering Council
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A couple of minor points unreferenced, but will sort these shortly. Now sorted. Brown was one of the greats of mountain climbing and transformed the sport in the 1950s and early 1960s. Numerous 'firsts' in climbing, and pioneered several pieces of safety equipment. SchroCat (talk) 11:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Lee Konitz

Stale --DannyS712 (talk) 23:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Lee Konitz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, NY Times, The Independent, Billboard, Metro
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American composer and alto saxophonist --SirEdimon (talk) 20:13, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Stale) RD: Brian Dennehy

Stale --DannyS712 (talk) 23:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Brian Dennehy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American actor. Usual lack of sourcing throughout, needs a lot of work to get there. Not COVID related. Masem (t) 17:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Adam Alsing

Article: Adam Alsing (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4], [5]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of Sweden’s best known television presenters. Covid 19 related death. BabbaQ (talk) 22:48, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Tom Moore (soldier) charity

Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 00:06, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Tom Moore (soldier) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ ...Tom's 100th Birthday Walk For The NHS has raised millions of pounds to support patients and carers in the COVID-19 pandemic (Post)
News source(s): [6]
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Very high profile and a good-news story when we need one. Listing Philafrenzy as an updater, as two versions were started, which I have merged. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose good faith nom with regret. It's a great human interest story but there have been a lot of people stepping up during the not so great pestilence. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:46, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This would be a good DYK candidate, I'm not sure about ITN.-- P-K3 (talk) 17:50, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, better for DYK I know "better for DYK" is often seen (rightly) as a sarcastic put-down, but this is genuinely better for DYK and does meet the eligibility requirements AFAICT, so I encourage the nominator to take it there. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:13, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose While some major news outlets are carrying the story, I'm not seeing its appearance in the context of those outlets (i.e. the section they put it in, the depth and breadth of coverage, etc.) which indicates to me that the story has the level of significance necessary for an ITN post. --Jayron32 18:15, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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