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*'''Support''' Arguably, a negative price on a core commodity rather undermines the entire concept of industry development, challenging a few other dearly held economic beliefs in the process. (And the prize for the best-timed single commodity trade war ever goes to ... Russia and Saudi Arabia!) No question that the issue has been exacerbated by a sudden sharp drop both in discretionary spending and in demand due to COVID-19 (both possibly ongoing: no job or perma-home job leads to a sharp reduction in travel and industry electricity use, and there are already fewer heating days each year) , but that should not make a difference to its ITN notability. As one political cartoonist put it: such cheap gas prices ... and nowhere to drive. That kind of death spiral can be hard to escape, to the point that the phrase "economic black hole" comes to mind. Time to review some of the patterns of the Great Depression; it took a rather large war to fully lift us out of that one, and the emergence of the military industrial complex to maintain a new western pattern of war = prosperity. - Tenebris [[Special:Contributions/66.11.171.90|66.11.171.90]] ([[User talk:66.11.171.90|talk]]) 09:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC) |
*'''Support''' Arguably, a negative price on a core commodity rather undermines the entire concept of industry development, challenging a few other dearly held economic beliefs in the process. (And the prize for the best-timed single commodity trade war ever goes to ... Russia and Saudi Arabia!) No question that the issue has been exacerbated by a sudden sharp drop both in discretionary spending and in demand due to COVID-19 (both possibly ongoing: no job or perma-home job leads to a sharp reduction in travel and industry electricity use, and there are already fewer heating days each year) , but that should not make a difference to its ITN notability. As one political cartoonist put it: such cheap gas prices ... and nowhere to drive. That kind of death spiral can be hard to escape, to the point that the phrase "economic black hole" comes to mind. Time to review some of the patterns of the Great Depression; it took a rather large war to fully lift us out of that one, and the emergence of the military industrial complex to maintain a new western pattern of war = prosperity. - Tenebris [[Special:Contributions/66.11.171.90|66.11.171.90]] ([[User talk:66.11.171.90|talk]]) 09:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*: It's not the price of oil ''per se'' that's gone negative, but the price of contracts for delivery in the near future. Basically, traders are saying "I'll pay you to figure out where the heck to store this stuff". What you're describing would be the ''spot price'', not the ''futures price'' going negative. --[[User:Carnildo|Carnildo]] ([[User talk:Carnildo|talk]]) 04:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' perhaps a superlative would highlight imptact better. Added altblurb.[[Special:Contributions/130.233.3.157|130.233.3.157]] ([[User talk:130.233.3.157|talk]]) 11:10, 21 April 2020 (UTC) |
*'''Comment''' perhaps a superlative would highlight imptact better. Added altblurb.[[Special:Contributions/130.233.3.157|130.233.3.157]] ([[User talk:130.233.3.157|talk]]) 11:10, 21 April 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' - We can safely say this has '''never''' happened before in the history of global economics.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 12:41, 21 April 2020 (UTC) |
*'''Support''' - We can safely say this has '''never''' happened before in the history of global economics.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 12:41, 21 April 2020 (UTC) |
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(Closed) Ramos v. Louisiana
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Blurb: In Ramos v. Louisiana, the United States Supreme Court rules 6-3 that criminal convictions require a unanimous decision by the jury. (Post)
News source(s): (Reuters), LA Times
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- Nominated by Elijahandskip (talk · give credit)
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- Oppose It doesn’t seem earth-shattering to me; it just requires two states to follow what the other 48 are already doing. P-K3 (talk) 23:38, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support on notability, I think the effects on criminal law are significant as it's enshrining a fundamental principle as opposed to merely "yeah, it's the law of the land in almost all of America, except when it isn't." However, given the messy verdict the article needs to be expanded to explain why the justices !voted the way they did. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Having expanded the article, the decision affects all of 2 states (Oregon and Louisiana), and even then, only will cause review of OR's and a portion of Louisiana before 2019 (LA had amended its constitution for unanimous jury convictions now). All other states had cases of unanimous convictions on the books long before this. It is a landmark case in US law, as it is another incorporated Bill of Rights against the states, but its impact is minor relative to the big picture that it is not ITN appropriate as it mostly affirms the status quo. --Masem (t) 00:04, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Support - Milestone court case that has everlasting effects on the United States' entire criminal justice system. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 00:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)- Oppose per Masem, and not seeing this "in the news". --LaserLegs (talk) 00:54, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- It's definitely in the news, its not hard to find coverage, just that its net effect has little change on most of the US , much less the rest of the world. --Masem (t) 01:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Weakoppose as someone who's personally interested in this, this is nominally a big deal that overturns a precedent from the 1970s, the "two states" thing notwithstanding. Having said that, I'm not sure if this reaches the level for a blurb that is expected of court cases that aren't directly notable due to the persons involved. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 01:18, 21 April 2020 (UTC)- I've given some more thought about this, and I've decided that posting this without the context that only two states still allowed non-unanimous convictions might give people a POV view of the United States. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 01:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Support This case is a rare one, because it makes formal changes to criminal cases; but I take the point most states had already moved in this direction. Nonetheless, it prevents states from exercising their own discretion as to proceedings in their own territory, and it prevents a (granted small) amount of venue shopping. Added LA Times source to the nomination.130.233.3.157 (talk) 06:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose hyperlocalised minor amendment. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 07:07, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support A key decision in the question of states' rights vs federal rights, which strikes at the heart of constitutional law as it applies to the criminal law system. (It might be difficult to appreciate its scope from within countries which have a stronger federal system of government -- which the U.S. emphatically does not. The best way currently to appreciate the differences is to look at the vast differences in COVID-19 governmental response between states -- inconceivable in most European and N/S American countries -- and to look at how reviled Obama was for centralizing response to swine flu and Ebola a few years earlier. The battle cry of "states' rights" has not tempered much since the U.S. Civil War.) Essentially, this decision tackles the question of the extent to which states have the ability to interpret the U.S. constitution (see Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution). It is in that sense specifically that the wider ramifications make this decision notable, by changing common practice to federal dictum. Although this does fall within the wider spectrum of Supreme Court cases (after the state courts were given the right to hold jury trials) which have generally determined that Bill of Rights amendments (ie. federal constitutional rights) apply to state trials, very few decisions in this millennium have had comparable weight. (Most of this was ironed out in the 1970s civil rights trials or earlier). Certainly none have had equivalent weight in both the legal sphere and public perception. The right to trial by jury is dear to American hearts. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 09:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support Some non-US interest I think. Where I'm from (England) 10-2 is sufficient and I wasn't aware of the US situation. Nigej (talk) 10:01, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Local issue with no clear significance.– Ammarpad (talk) 11:01, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Too local, too minor. - SchroCat (talk) 11:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose – Minor import in the context of general U.S. jurisprudence. – Sca (talk) 12:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose - A handful of judges make a decision that affects a subsection of a subsection of one nation's population. Definitively parochial.--WaltCip (talk) 12:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment This is prime for a DYK which I plan to sumbit (if no one else does). --Masem (t) 15:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose, as this changes an obscure legal point in only state-level courts in Oregon, and historical cases in Louisiana. Whilst some convictions will now be overturned or require a re-trial, that does not seem significant enough to merit an ITN blurb. The article has nothing on implications. I agree it would make a good DYK entry and is new enough. Modest Genius talk 15:34, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Price of oil is negative
Blurb: The price of oil becomes negative in the US. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The price of oil in the US becomes negative for the first time in history
News source(s): CNN, NYT
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- Nominated by 2601:602:9200:1310:31C4:B759:FF29:594C (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Price of oil just became negative in the US. That's a giant abnormality, as instead of a commodity, "black gold" is a liability/toxic asset. CNN, NYT. 2601:602:9200:1310:31C4:B759:FF29:594C (talk) 22:43, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- As with the previous stories on the market turndown, we should wait for a trend. If this lasts for a few days, that might be an issue to post, but a daily blip in a financial market should not be an ITN as proven out from before. --Masem (t) 22:46, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- But NEGATIVE prices is an extreme aberration. It's like having news of a large asteroid with uncertain orbit being predicted to hit Earth, even though later orbit measurements proves "just miss" status. Difference is that this has not happened on the NY Mercantile Exchange since its inception in 1983. 2601:602:9200:1310:31C4:B759:FF29:594C (talk) 22:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- We tend to judge blurbs here, which means you have to have one first. Most of the ideas I have would be greeted with either "trivial!" or "Coronovirus 'impacts' cover this." GreatCaesarsGhost 22:59, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Again, there's blips in markets. The media jumps at those, we are looking at the larger picutre. A sustained negative price would be something. But even with that, I would expect a more narrow focus article on why it got to negative like this (is this an extension of the russia-opec price war earlier? is this COVID related? etc.) --Masem (t) 00:05, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- But NEGATIVE prices is an extreme aberration. It's like having news of a large asteroid with uncertain orbit being predicted to hit Earth, even though later orbit measurements proves "just miss" status. Difference is that this has not happened on the NY Mercantile Exchange since its inception in 1983. 2601:602:9200:1310:31C4:B759:FF29:594C (talk) 22:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
*Oppose this is one specific type of oil (West Texas Intermediate) for a specific futures contract (May delivery in Oklahoma, and today was the last day trading was allowed for this contract). All the other major oil indices are still positive. Juxlos (talk) 00:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Change to Weak Support based on media coverage. Juxlos (talk) 05:17, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Support big deal in business news today, article is decent. Weak because of the one sentence update and because the target it "proseline-y" --LaserLegs (talk) 00:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support on notability, this is far crazier than a big one-day drop in stock indices which we routinely post. Needs expansion though. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support A huge deal and a milestone on the way towards severe economic downturn. It's not just the government anymore; private companies are willing to pay their customers to stay in business. Contra Juxlos above, this did not just impact WTI; the majority of US-domestic crude went negative. WTI is just the "benchmark" which is reported in the popular press; TX sour was even more negative at ca. -50USD/bbl.130.233.3.157 (talk) 06:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support Arguably, a negative price on a core commodity rather undermines the entire concept of industry development, challenging a few other dearly held economic beliefs in the process. (And the prize for the best-timed single commodity trade war ever goes to ... Russia and Saudi Arabia!) No question that the issue has been exacerbated by a sudden sharp drop both in discretionary spending and in demand due to COVID-19 (both possibly ongoing: no job or perma-home job leads to a sharp reduction in travel and industry electricity use, and there are already fewer heating days each year) , but that should not make a difference to its ITN notability. As one political cartoonist put it: such cheap gas prices ... and nowhere to drive. That kind of death spiral can be hard to escape, to the point that the phrase "economic black hole" comes to mind. Time to review some of the patterns of the Great Depression; it took a rather large war to fully lift us out of that one, and the emergence of the military industrial complex to maintain a new western pattern of war = prosperity. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 09:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- It's not the price of oil per se that's gone negative, but the price of contracts for delivery in the near future. Basically, traders are saying "I'll pay you to figure out where the heck to store this stuff". What you're describing would be the spot price, not the futures price going negative. --Carnildo (talk) 04:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment perhaps a superlative would highlight imptact better. Added altblurb.130.233.3.157 (talk) 11:10, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support - We can safely say this has never happened before in the history of global economics.--WaltCip (talk) 12:41, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Wait – Sensational spot coverage internationally April 20, but suggest waiting a few days to ascertain extent, longevity of this possible watershed development. – Sca (talk) 12:58, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- You don't need to wait. The news is all around you.--WaltCip (talk) 13:11, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose The price is positive again now. "Yesterday's price action is best understood as a quirk or peculiarity of futures trading," said analyst James Trafford of Fidelity International." (BBC). Also, just one line mentioning it in the target article. Black Kite (talk) 13:28, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- In NY Tuesday, crude futures were in positive territory but showed volatile fluctuation up & down. – Sca (talk) 16:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment The newsworthiness is not diminished simply because oil futures are currently back in positive territory (after OPEC rapidly cut yields). It is not even in the aberration that, at the end of one market day as May futures were expiring, some oil prices dipped below zero. It is simply in the fact that, for the first time ever since oil became something useful, no one wanted oil. Did you ever think anyone would ever say that as fact? At this point, there is so much oil in storage that there is literally no place left to store it! (Some countries have been using the tankers themselves as extra storage.) - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 15:23, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- There's many many footnotes to explain why oil was negative, that it is too simply to say "because no one wanted it". The cost of oil accounts for what people will pay (revenue) against the costs of production, processing, transportation, and storage (costs). There are so many levers on this calculation that a temporary drop into the negatives in one area is just a blip, and any statistician will tell you is something you routinely would ignore if it doesn't sustain a negative value. --Masem (t) 15:32, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose based on this Guardian article, which makes it clear this applies only to one oil market and is expected to rebound quickly. That makes our blurb misleading, and the article has only a single sentence on this topic, providing no more information. Modest Genius talk 15:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support Even with the caveats, I think this is still extremely noteworthy and historic. Davey2116 (talk) 18:05, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support This is a very notable event. It would be good for people to know.Rooves (talk) 18:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. This kind of blip is fairly routine in commodities markets. The only reason the price briefly showed as negative, rather than zero, is that environmental legislation mean oil can't be dumped or stockpiled in the same way one can dump unwanted grain or leave coal piled at the minehead until the price goes up, and consequently when the May options expired the traders who'd overpurchased had to pay facilities to store it. ‑ Iridescent 18:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose There isn't much to it when you look deep enough; not doing so would be a disservice. Usedtobecool ☎️ 19:22, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: Just a note that West Texas Intermediate, 2020 Russia–Saudi Arabia oil price war, Corporate debt bubble, and Financial impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic all have multi-sentence updates on this topic. Featous (talk) 21:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per Modest Genius. And too many media outlets proceeding with the clickbait simplification when the single futures market was the one that turned negative. ITN should not sink to their level with atrocious blurbs like that. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 03:20, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Prime Minister of Israel
Blurb: After an unprecedented three elections in one year, Netanyahu and Gantz sign a unity government agreement ending 17 months of stalemate (Post)
Alternative blurb: The 2019–20 Israeli constitutional crisis ends with Benjamin Netanyahu as Prime Minister of Israel.
Alternative blurb II: The Thirty-fifth_government_of_Israel finally approved following agreement of Benjamin Netanyahu and Benny Gantz ending a seventeen month caretaker government.
Alternative blurb III: After seventeen months, the Likud and Blue and White parties reach a power-sharing agreement between Benjamin Netanyahu and Benny Gantz for the Israeli government.
Alternative blurb IV: After seventeen months of stalemate, the thirty-fifth_government_of_Israel is finally approved with Benjamin Netanyahu as Prime Minister of Israel.
News source(s): JPost NYTimes, Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Sir Joseph (talk · give credit)
Sir Joseph (talk) 18:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I nominated this and pointed to PM, but it could also go to Netanyahu or Gants. I do think this is notable because Israel had three elections in one year and had a caretaker government for 17 months and almost had 4 elections in one year until they finally got a coalition agreement signed. That seems notable in itself. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:10, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- I would think there should be a separate article to cover what's been 17 months of stalemate. It might require more digging into regional sources for development. --Masem (t) 18:12, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- There is one, 2019–20 Israeli constitutional crisis. As for Prime Minister of Israel, it has no updates – in fact it's had only four edits to it this year.-- P-K3 (talk) 18:26, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Pawnkingthree, That article was for a specific moment in time, not necessarily on the whole shebang, so not sure if that would be a good article for this. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:53, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Masem, We have articles on the individual elections, for example, 2020_Israeli_legislative_election. We can also blurb it to Benjamin Netanyahu and Benny Gantz form unity government after 17 months of stalemate. Sir Joseph (talk) 18:59, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Certainly some summary-level article, maybe looking at it from a timeline POV, could be made. At that level, you don't need the details of the elections, just net result and how one election came out from the previous, etc. Just something to give a better history as a summary style article. --Masem (t) 19:09, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- There is one, 2019–20 Israeli constitutional crisis. As for Prime Minister of Israel, it has no updates – in fact it's had only four edits to it this year.-- P-K3 (talk) 18:26, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- I would think there should be a separate article to cover what's been 17 months of stalemate. It might require more digging into regional sources for development. --Masem (t) 18:12, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Note: The story is certainly covered by major news outlets to sufficient depth, but that's only half the necessary bits. We also need a quality article with a sufficient update so readers can get a full story from it. It doesn't have to be specifically about this event, but it does have to have enough information to place the event in historical context and provide enough information to give readers a good understanding. What article are we assessing? The Prime Minister of Israel article does not have a sufficient amount of updated material yet. --Jayron32 19:33, 20 April 2020 (UTC) (post ec note): The altblurb bolded article is also not updated. It states the crisis ended on March 26, and contains no information about the current news. --Jayron32 19:35, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment added less colorful alt-blurb feel free to tweak it in place --LaserLegs (talk) 19:31, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment what changed? The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 19:31, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, Sky are now reporting this as a "unity government" in the face of Covid-19. Not quite what I'm seeing here. In any case, not really interesting. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:09, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Three elections in one year with a caretaker prime minister, and heading to a fourth election, now the country will have a unity government with a PM and a vice PM and an agreement to split up and then have the PM's swap position. That sounds like news to me and certainly interesting. I don't know of other stable democracies that have had three elections in one year, so that in itself is interesting. Sir Joseph (talk) 20:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Everything you say may be true; but there is no properly written and sourced text in any target article, so what exactly are we supposed to assess for quality? Instead of spending all of your time arguing with people here, you could be off expanding and referencing an article we could post to the main page. --Jayron32 20:25, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks for the explanation. It sounds more like some Trivial Pursuit question ("In 2019–20, which country had three elections before ending up with a unity government?") but nothing more. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:25, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Everything you say may be true; but there is no properly written and sourced text in any target article, so what exactly are we supposed to assess for quality? Instead of spending all of your time arguing with people here, you could be off expanding and referencing an article we could post to the main page. --Jayron32 20:25, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Three elections in one year with a caretaker prime minister, and heading to a fourth election, now the country will have a unity government with a PM and a vice PM and an agreement to split up and then have the PM's swap position. That sounds like news to me and certainly interesting. I don't know of other stable democracies that have had three elections in one year, so that in itself is interesting. Sir Joseph (talk) 20:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, Sky are now reporting this as a "unity government" in the face of Covid-19. Not quite what I'm seeing here. In any case, not really interesting. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:09, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Stale? The article on the crisis says that Gantz was chosen as speaker of the Knesset almost a month ago. What about this agreement is new? The article is not particularly clear. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:23, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Muboshgu, I didn't put that alt-blurb in and the constitutional crisis was only a specific point in this whole 17 month timeline. Sir Joseph (talk) 20:25, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Sir Joseph, okay, but I still don't understand the timeline here, and the JPost article didn't help me. I want to support this, but I'm not clear on what happened in this agreement that didn't happen last month. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:28, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- There's definitely events today that establish a deal (see NYtimes + Guardian), which appears to be giving Netanyahu 18 add'l months as PM, after which he is to turn it over to Gantz for the rest of the term. --Masem (t) 20:30, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Masem, that news I can support, if there's a sufficient update to post in an article. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:32, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Muboshgu, I expanded the article mentioned in the third blurb. Sir Joseph (talk) 22:09, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Masem, that news I can support, if there's a sufficient update to post in an article. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:32, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Muboshgu, I didn't put that alt-blurb in and the constitutional crisis was only a specific point in this whole 17 month timeline. Sir Joseph (talk) 20:25, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I found an article Thirty-fifth_government_of_Israel that has a good background to the whole mess that should give readers a good primer on this, I added a blurb. Sir Joseph (talk) 20:43, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Expand details on today's (20 April) agreement and I'd support this. This is the type of timeline/summary article I spoke to earlier. --Masem (t) 20:57, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Masem, done, I am working on more, but I started it.
- Expand details on today's (20 April) agreement and I'd support this. This is the type of timeline/summary article I spoke to earlier. --Masem (t) 20:57, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support - I think alternative blurb III is the most thorough. TJMSmith (talk) 21:30, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- I agree, I think alt 3 is the best. Not sure if I can undo the other choices, or my nom for my blurb, but I Support alt 3 blurb. Sir Joseph (talk) 22:12, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose absolutely no clarity over what is making this in any way significant. Some fluff about a deal, some sharing, some Covid-19, nope, nothing that an encyclopedia should be promoting, perhaps a tabloid. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 21:40, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose as above, nothing very encyclopedic. Nigej (talk) 10:05, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support As was noted earlier, ITN habitually posts election results, and this is of at least comparable notability. Israeli politics have been a mess of late, in part because of changing demographics. The only western country with comparable instability is Italy; but for Italy this is a "normal" state of affairs. For Israel, it emphatically is not. Consider that if Netanyahu had been re-elected or become PM as a result of replacing a previous party leader, ITN would automatically have posted that (given adequate article quality). Sometimes such postings include the party details, but more often they do not. ITN also does not normally include the details of power-sharing in minority results. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 10:22, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: For whatever it is worth, I did add a fourth blurb, emphasising the amount of time involved and Netanyahu's continuance in the post. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 10:24, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support – but only for a blurb containing the names of both men, preferably with some minimal indication of their political orientation. (How long it's taken is a side issue.) – Sca (talk) 13:04, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- PS: One possibility (call it Alt5): "Following the Israeli parliamentary election in March, the Benjamin Netanyahu-led Likud forms a coalition government with the Kachol Lavan led by Benny Gantz." (The introductory clause could be replaced by "In Israel," ....) – Sca (talk) 13:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Sca, I think alt-III is fine, it has the details without getting too detaily for the blurb, it does mention names, and then the government, which is linked. I think that reads better than alt-IV. Sir Joseph (talk) 13:35, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Wait - while the formation of a new government after 3 deadlocked elections is significant enough to warrant posting (I dare even say it's ITNR-level, if not in letter then in spirit), this hasn't happened yet. The coalition agreement between Blue&White and Likud does not automatically mean a new government - the government still needs to win a vote of confidence from the Knesset. While this is a likely outcome with the coalition parties seemingly controlling a majority, a lot can happen between now and the vote. I'd support posting a blurb only after the government is sworn in. Rami R 13:59, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support Alt-3 is my first preference, with Alt-2 as my second preference. The key element of the story is the power-sharing agreement between the two men. That needs to be mentioned in the blurb. The story is in the news prominently, AND the article that is now highlighted in those blurbs is in a good state. --Jayron32 14:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support Alt blurb 3. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:30, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: in principle, I think a new government after three elections is important enough to post. However, the nomination is a mess, all five(!) of the proposed blurbs are poor, and it's very difficult to work out what is going on from the numerous partially-overlapping articles. There needs to be an accessible top-level summary somewhere, and the blurb should keep things simple without casting judgement on either the participants or the time taken. Modest Genius talk
- Oppose per Rami R. Once the Knesset votes to confirm the unity government (a mere formality, which I assume will be in the next couple days?) then this is ITN/R, since it establishes the final results of a general election. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 19:31, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- I don’t think it’s ITN/R. The elections themselves are, but not the formation of a government. P-K3 (talk) 01:50, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
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(Closed) 2020 Nova Scotia killings
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Blurb: At least 13 are killed in a mass shooting attack in Portapique, Nova Scotia, Canada. (Post)
Alternative blurb: At least thirteen people die in a spree killing in Nova Scotia, Canada.
Alternative blurb II: At least thirteen people die in a spree killing in rural Nova Scotia, Canada.
News source(s): CBC News, BBC, NYTimes, AP, Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by 142.122.141.211 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Strong support as nominator. 142.122.141.211 (talk) 00:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- FWIW as nominator, it is presumed you support posting. --Masem (t) 00:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support ALT and article seems to be in shaped for ITN. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 00:46, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support Article covers the basics, and with the perp killed, its determining the why which will take take. I offer Alt2 as to note it was in rural NS as Portapique is a bit tooo obscure (but identified in the article now). --Masem (t) 00:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- And to note for others, it was a combination for shootings and arson, to the "13 people die" is the right wording here. --Masem (t) 00:50, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support Article is in acceptable condition and is being worked on. Huge loss of life for Canada. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:53, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose / Wait the article is still lean on details, and while tragic this isn't important enough to rush to the main page. I'd like to see a full paragraph on the perpetrator and given the nature of the spree a timeline and some details about the victims. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:01, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support Proving to be one of the deadliest shootings in Canadian history, and has made international headlines. Article has enough information to inform, and is being updated as details are released. Sportyguy03 (talk) 01:03, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support either alt. Making international news, and the article is decent enough. Natureium (talk) 01:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support with preference to alt2. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 01:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 01:23, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- You made up your own instead of posting any of the options above? Natureium (talk) 01:28, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- I agree with Natureium, that doesn't seem right. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 01:29, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Would have at least liked to see that particular blurb proposed here instead of having the nominator's disregarded. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:08, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- I agree with Natureium, that doesn't seem right. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥) 01:29, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- You made up your own instead of posting any of the options above? Natureium (talk) 01:28, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I believe there should be reference to it being the deadliest mass shooting rampage in Canada.— Crumpled Fire • contribs • 03:04, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- We usually don't include such superlatives in blurbs. In the article it is fine. --Masem (t) 03:12, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Mass shooting is more common and understandable than spree killing. The current blurb seems fine. Gotitbro (talk) 09:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment – Agree with previous re "mass shooting," which is the usual term. "Spree" connotes an element of enjoyment or fun – highly inappropriate for such events. – Sca (talk) 12:29, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- That's not what spree killer says, it merely defines it as the killing of two or more people in a short space of time in multiple locations.-- P-K3 (talk) 12:51, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - Stephen knows what he's doing. Let's not jump to premature conclusions.--WaltCip (talk) 12:41, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- I agree. It's obvious that mass shooting is the common term. It's also clear that the blurb was reworded so it didn't mirror (and thus clash) with an existing blurb. This really is nothing to see here territory. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 13:57, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- "Wot other blurb does it clash with?" asked William. ——SN54129 14:12, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- "Thirty-eight people are killed in ..." The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 14:18, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Check. Well, that's certainly an argument for keeping them apart, but I don't see how calling this a mass shooting or a spree killing makes a difference; the tornado blurb uses neither. Still, I'm more interested in Stephen's supervote than anything else. ——SN54129 14:27, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support current blurb as nominator. 142.122.141.211 (talk) 15:00, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- I meant avoiding the clash of the portion of the blurb I mentioned, not that the tornado blurb mentions spree killings. And it doesn't take a genius to see that "mass shooting" is about 20 times more common than "spree killing" for this specific news item. We all already know that admins are able to make changes to blurbs to better suit the main page and our readers. This is no different. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 15:11, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- When they're misleading, absolutely (as opposed to, making them misleading!) ——SN54129 16:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Check. Well, that's certainly an argument for keeping them apart, but I don't see how calling this a mass shooting or a spree killing makes a difference; the tornado blurb uses neither. Still, I'm more interested in Stephen's supervote than anything else. ——SN54129 14:27, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- "Thirty-eight people are killed in ..." The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 14:18, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- "Wot other blurb does it clash with?" asked William. ——SN54129 14:12, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- I agree. It's obvious that mass shooting is the common term. It's also clear that the blurb was reworded so it didn't mirror (and thus clash) with an existing blurb. This really is nothing to see here territory. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 13:57, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Spree: "A merry frolic; especially, a drinking frolic." – Sca (talk) 15:23, 20 April 2020 (UTC
- Per MW "an unrestrained indulgence in or outburst of an activity" [1] which is probably more the origin where "spree killing" comes from. --Masem (t) 15:30, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: François Lafortune Jr.
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Het Laatste Nieuws, RTBF
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Fram (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: 7-times Olympian, one of two people to share the Belgian record of most appearances. Article is short but everything is sourced I think. Fram (talk) 12:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Lucien Szpiro
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Colleague website, colleague tweet
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by MarkH21 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: French mathematician, Fellow of the American Mathematical Society, known for Szpiro's conjecture; more refs to follow — MarkH21talk 19:47, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment – Rather stubby. – Sca (talk) 13:53, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment – French mathematician with no article in French. Nigej (talk) 21:12, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I found that quite strange. He has a lengthy one on the German Wikipedia though. — MarkH21talk 21:31, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Article was recently expanded and is sourced. TJMSmith (talk) 04:04, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 04:19, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Abba Kyari
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
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- Nominated by Ammarpad (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Nigerian president's chief of staff, COVID-19 death – Ammarpad (talk) 06:47, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment just a couple of refs needed (cn's added), will support when addressed Joseywales1961 (talk) 21:07, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:53, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Norman Hunter
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Black Kite (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Egghead06 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Notable English footballer, COVID-19. Well sourced as I and others rewrote it when he was diagnosed, sadly. Black Kite (talk) 10:27, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 10:29, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support Govvy (talk) 10:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support Nigej (talk) 11:34, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Posted --Jayron32 13:14, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Jane Dee Hull
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AZCentral
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- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Williamsdoritios (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Almost stale already – Muboshgu (talk) 20:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- @Muboshgu: I'm getting "access denied" on the source for her death [2] — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:14, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- MSGJ, that's odd. It loads for me. How's this? – Muboshgu (talk) 19:49, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Doesn't work from the EU, it's a GDPR thing — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:48, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- MSGJ, that's odd. It loads for me. How's this? – Muboshgu (talk) 19:49, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
- Found an extra reference, which worked for me. And Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:54, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Althea McNish
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Trinidad and Tobago Newsday
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Proscribe (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Fabric designer Andrew🐉(talk) 17:52, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support I'm no expert on textile design but seems ok. Nigej (talk) 21:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:49, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ulrich Kienzle
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: German TV personality, Near East and Middle East (interviews with Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein), political debates Frontal, analyzed in at least one book. - The article was basically there, only with zero references which I changed. Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Good work. RD ready.BabbaQ (talk) 13:44, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support – Copy-edited to Eng. syntax. – Sca (talk) 20:27, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- Posted. El_C 07:28, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
(Posted to RD) RD: Gene Deitch
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tagesspiegel Prague Morning Deadline Hollywood
Credits:
- Nominated by Fram (talk · give credit)
- Updated by CherokeeJack1 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Notable animator and comics artist, death noted across multiple countries and languages. Not a Covid19 death. Article seems fully sourced already. Fram (talk) 10:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support Article in decent shape. --Masem (t) 20:02, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. Even without being in RD, this got more than 20,000 page views yesterday (more than what many articles get when listed at RD). Notable subject, good enough article, would be a pity to let it become "stale" for no good reason. Fram (talk) 11:18, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support. The article looks very good. He was a major figure in animation world. - EugεnS¡m¡on 15:23, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. Added references for the last two CN tags. SpencerT•C 21:50, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
RD: Christophe (singer)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: French singer, COVID-related death. Significant lack of sourcing though. Masem (t) 13:25, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
RD: Luis Sepúlveda
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Renowned Chilean writer and journalist. Dies from COVID-19. I'm trying to update his article as it really need it. User:Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:58, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Support in principle but needs some refs. Kingsif (talk) 19:52, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Largely unsourced. Hrodvarsson (talk) 23:42, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) South Korean election
Blurb: In the South Korean legislative election, the ruling Democratic Party (leader Lee Hae-chan pictured) and their allies increase their majority in the National Assembly (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Modest Genius (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: Some actual news that isn't coronavirus-related. The results table has been updated but there's no prose reaction yet, or description of the extra steps taken to run the election during a pandemic. Modest Genius talk 13:05, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support Well sourced, good length. At least non-coronavirus stuff for a change. TuorEladar (talk) 14:53, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support Decent article. The table in the section on political parties needs to clarify its source. I think it is cited in the text above but it's not completely clear. Otherwise looks good. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:22, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support Worth adding. Nigej (talk) 18:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support Election with decent article. Kingsif (talk) 19:52, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment though I question our obsession with a prose update for election results, we do tend to require one and this article seems to be lacking it --LaserLegs (talk) 20:48, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, I agree.
I don't think it's ready yet. Modest Genius talk 21:35, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, I agree.
- Comment That is not a high-quality image of Lee-Hae Chen. Do we have any better ones? Rockin 04:04, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per the still-present shortcomings noted by the nominator. Also, the Opinion polls section contains only a link, which I consider to be an empty section.130.233.3.31 (talk) 06:34, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support per ITN/R, though a lot of commentators on media noted that the party's popularity soared due to COVID so this is somewhat related, but alas. Juxlos (talk) 06:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Juxlos It's unnecessary to say "support per ITNR" as being ITNR means that the merits are not in dispute; only article quality is at issue(and the blurb). 331dot (talk) 17:14, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Per Wikipedia:In the news § Updated content, needs sourced prose update on the results. Preferably, include a gist of what the reaction is.—Bagumba (talk) 07:49, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment – Articles, whether about elections, tornadoes or sports events, that rely too heavily on tables, charts, etc., don't serve readers very well. If we're an encyclopedia we should be presenting mainly prose.
Undecided about this one, mainly 'cause it's ITN/R. – Sca (talk) 14:05, 17 April 2020 (UTC)- Being on ITNR does not supersede the page meeting quality standards.—Bagumba (talk) 17:03, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Updated: I've added a section on coronavirus impact, a prose summary of the results, and copyedited the rest of the article. Modest Genius talk 15:30, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
- Ready thanks Modest Genius. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:28, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:43, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
RD: Keiji Fujiwara
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3] (source in Japanese)
Credits:
- Nominated by Nahnah4 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Windywalk (talk · give credit) and Pokelova (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Japanese voice actor, most famous for dubbing Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man, as well as other Japanese shows including Crayon Shin-chan and Fullmetal Alchemist. Nahnah4 (talk
- Weak Oppose The article is (gasp!) reasonably well sourced. But it consists mostly of tables. Once you take them out you have very little left. Needs some text. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:06, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose Long list of "Filmography" but the "Biography" is just a series of bullet points. Nigej (talk) 18:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment This is very close (surprising given the enormous amount of 'ography), and at 1.5 kB of prose, it's just there. If a Japanese-capable reader could fill in the current disjointed prose with a few more sentences it would pass.130.233.3.31 (talk) 07:28, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose – Per previous three. As noted above, articles that rely too heavily on tables, charts, etc., don't serve readers very well. If we're an encyclopedia, we should be presenting mainly prose. – Sca (talk) 14:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
RD: Howard Finkel
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:
- Nominated by GaryColemanFan (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: World Wrestling Entertainment Hall of Famer, employed by the company for 45ish years and best known as ring announcer. Obviously needs substantial work, but hopefully can get in good shape in the next few days. GaryColemanFan (talk) 18:00, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose The vast majority of statements in his bio are unsourced. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:48, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose - Would need a significant rewrite/sourcing Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:04, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Currently in the ring, weighing in at "immovable object", from Shark Lick, Wyoming...Lethal Lockdown! Seriously though, nothing's getting out or in. For a while, apparently. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:52, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Still largely unsourced, and four of the cites are from IMDb as well. Black Kite (talk) 19:24, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
- Nominator's comment - This article is fully protected, and the content dispute may well carry on in two days when it's unprotected. This has prevented the sourcing from being anywhere close to ready, and I understand that this nomination will go stale. So it goes. Can't blame a guy for hoping. GaryColemanFan (talk) 00:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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(Stale) RD: Ranjit Chowdhry
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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo News
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- Nominated by 7&6=thirteen (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Donaldd23 (talk · give credit) and 7&6=thirteen (talk · give credit)
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- Oppose at the moment. First half of the career section and the filmography are unsourced. Black Kite (talk) 19:27, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Joe Brown (climber)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, The British Mountaineering Council
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- Nominated by SchroCat (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: A couple of minor points unreferenced, but will sort these shortly. Now sorted. Brown was one of the greats of mountain climbing and transformed the sport in the 1950s and early 1960s. Numerous 'firsts' in climbing, and pioneered several pieces of safety equipment. SchroCat (talk) 11:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to me.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:57, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support – Looks quite complete & well-referenced. Subject apparently had an international reputation. (German Wiki's RD lists him.) – Sca (talk) 14:20, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support Much improved. Nigej (talk) 14:39, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Posted—Bagumba (talk) 16:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
(Stale) RD: Lee Konitz
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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, NY Times, The Independent, Billboard, Metro
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- Nominated by SirEdimon (talk · give credit)
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- Oppose Poorly referenced. Hrodvarsson (talk) 23:44, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
(Stale) RD: Brian Dennehy
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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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(Posted) RD: Adam Alsing
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4], [5]
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- Updated and nominated by BabbaQ (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: One of Sweden’s best known television presenters. Covid 19 related death. BabbaQ (talk) 22:48, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- Support good work turning this article around from a stub, decently referenced Joseywales1961 (talk) 23:29, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 00:04, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
(Closed) Tom Moore (soldier) charity
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Blurb: ...Tom's 100th Birthday Walk For The NHS has raised millions of pounds to support patients and carers in the COVID-19 pandemic (Post)
News source(s): [6]
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- Nominated by Pigsonthewing (talk · give credit)
- Created by Tabletop123 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Philafrenzy (talk · give credit) and Pigsonthewing (talk · give credit)
- Oppose good faith nom with regret. It's a great human interest story but there have been a lot of people stepping up during the not so great pestilence. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:46, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment This would be a good DYK candidate, I'm not sure about ITN.-- P-K3 (talk) 17:50, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose, better for DYK I know "better for DYK" is often seen (rightly) as a sarcastic put-down, but this is genuinely better for DYK and does meet the eligibility requirements AFAICT, so I encourage the nominator to take it there. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:13, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose While some major news outlets are carrying the story, I'm not seeing its appearance in the context of those outlets (i.e. the section they put it in, the depth and breadth of coverage, etc.) which indicates to me that the story has the level of significance necessary for an ITN post. --Jayron32 18:15, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
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