Wikidata:Property proposal/Organization

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See also

• Wikidata:Property proposal/Pending – properties which have been approved but which are on hold waiting for the appropriate datatype to be made available
• Wikidata:Properties for deletion – proposals for the deletion of properties
• Wikidata:External identifiers – statements to add when creating properties for external IDs
• Wikidata:Lexicographical data – information and discussion about lexicographic data on Wikidata

This page is for the proposal of new properties.

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5. Read Wikidata:Creating a property proposal for guidelines you should follow when proposing new property.
6. Start writing the documentation based on the preload form below by editing the two templates at the top of the page to add proposal details.

Creating the property

1. Once consensus is reached, change status=ready on the template, to attract the attention of a property creator.
2. Creation can be done 1 week after the creation of the proposal, by a property creator or an administrator.
3. See property creation policy.

On this page, old discussions are archived. An overview of all archives can be found at this page's archive index. The current archive is located at 2024/07.

Politics/public election

• Please review Wikidata:WikiProject every politician before proposing. Ping members of project using {{Ping project|every politician}}

--PoliceSheep99 (talk) 02:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC) WikiProject every politician has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead. --PoliceSheep99 (talk) 02:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC) WikiProject every politician has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead. WikiProject every politician has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead. --Lewisiscrazy (talk) 14:45, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Organization

number of local branches

   Under discussion

Description	number of branches of this organization at the lowest (local) level
Data type	Quantity
Domain	Local branch (Q232846)
Allowed units	number (Q11563)
Example 1	Norwegian Association of the Disabled (Q11992044)→[153]
Example 2	Green Party (Q1518568)→[193]
Example 3	Norwegian Agrarian Association (Q6514634)→[520]
Example 4	Jewish Labour Movement (Q16851303)→[4]
Example 5	OpenStreetMap Foundation (Q6542248)→[18]
Wikidata project	WikiProject Organizations (Q21830563)

Motivation

This property is for the most local chapter in a organzation and political parties(maybe companies as well idk). local associations, local branch or local chapter. Not for Fedreal or national branches or county branch or county chapter. This Property is for the most local organ of in a organization.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Johshh (talk • contribs) at 01:34, June 26, 2024‎ (UTC).

Discussion

• "local branch" is not a well-defined terms (what is a local branch of WMF?). I think you can create items for each of local branchs instead.--GZWDer (talk) 15:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

  Based on the information I found on Wikimedia chapters, there are 37 chapters. Typically, an organization is composed of three levels: the national level, the intermediate level county (Q28575), and the local level (municipality (Q15284)(This is the Property is being used for). This structure is common in most organizations. The property i am proposing is intended to represent the most local branch of an organization.

  
  

  What i am sort of saying is that most organization is organized like pyramid. There might be more hierarchy in an organization i am saying it is often 3 levels in an organization or political party.

  
  
  

  Lets take for instance the freemasonry (Q41726) whitsh have organization system that looks like this

  With Grand Lodge (Highest organ)

  Than an Provincial/District Grand Lodge

  And with the most local branch being Lodge (masonic lodge (Q1454597)

  
  
  

  Other words that is maybe beter:

  Local Association

  Local level chapter

  Local level branch Johshh (talk) 23:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

•  Support I think this is clear enough, and I don't really think it would make sense to add entries for every such small entity, though in some cases sure. This is also something that will change over time, so a point in time qualifier would be helpful I think. ArthurPSmith (talk) 12:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
•  Oppose There is no need for new <number of x> properties. As GZWDer said, there are at least two problems here: "local branch" can mean a lot of things, and it's better creating items for each local branch, and linking the main organization from these items. If you really want to state that 'Organization x' has n local branches, you can do <organization>has part(s) of the class (P2670)<item for generic local branch>quantity (P1114)n, where <item for generic local branch> is an item that represents a category for all those local branches of an specific organization, like masonic lodge (Q1454597) for freemasonry (Q41726), or Wikimedia chapter (Q15924535) for Wikimedia Foundation (Q180). --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 14:53, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

  So i have to make a new item that is called number of local chapter, and than use that item under P2670? Johshh (talk) 20:52, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

  No, it's not an item 'number of local chapters' but 'local chapter of x organization'. The item represents the class in which all local branches belongs to. Different organizations have different ways to organize its subdivisions (some orgs also have more than one level for subdivisions) so it's better that each organization have an item 'organization subdivision' in order to be more precise. But if you really want to avoid creating those items, you can follow ArthurPSmith's advice, and use Q1410110 as a generic item: <organization>has part(s) of the class (P2670)branch (Q1410110)quantity (P1114)n. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 23:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Comment Ok, I guess has part(s) of the class (P2670) is fine for this also. I was concerned that we were promoting the creation of a huge number of local items that wouldn't otherwise be notable. @Johshh: the new item wouldn't be "number of local chapter" but "local chapter of X organization", if that's the sort of branch you have. As Tinker Bell put it, <item for generic local branch> is an item that represents a category for all those local branches of an specific organization; you could also just go with a more generic item I think here - branch (Q1410110) seems to me would be fine as the value for has part(s) of the class (P2670) for most companies. ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

  Isn't it just easier to create a item called "Number of local chapters" and just point it sortof to branch (Q1410110). And use that item on every organization like this <organization>has part(s) of the class (P2670)<a item called "Number of local chapters">quantity (P1114)n. Johshh (talk) 22:59, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

   Oppose There are different legal statuses of how organizations can relate to each other. A branch (Q1410110) is a "local establishment of a company, not independent legal entity". Wikimedia chapters are independent legal entities and not branches. has part(s) of the class (P2670) actually gets you to specify how the organizations relate to each other which is good. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 22:11, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

  It doesn't make sense to use it for international organizations like WMF, but for organizations at the nation-state level, it's easier because most organizations have by-law (Q679847) where you can see how their hierarchy works. You can also find these by-law (Q679847) with the property charter URL (P6378).

  What do you mean by "actually gets you to specify how the organizations relate to each other which is good.". Johshh (talk) 22:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

  @ChristianKl:, could you please clarify the comments above by @Johshh:. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 03:23, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

National Museum of Archeology, History and Art

See also Wikidata:Property proposal/Pending for approved items awaiting the deployment of currently unavailable datatypes