Commons:Categories for discussion/2018/12/Category:Swaziland
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This country is no longer officially known as Swaziland, its official title in English is the Kingdom of Eswatini. Enwiki has changed the article name and several category names to reflect this. This category and subs should be changed to reflect the country's correct name. Josh (talk) 22:57, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
- Support renaming to Eswatini (without "Kingdom of"). --Auntof6 (talk) 00:59, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- Support, shall rename every "Swaziland" to "Estawini" (without the "Kingdom of"), unless such name is for historical purpose. Chongkian (talk) 03:43, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- Good, but please spell it correctly. If it helps, note that the correct spelling contains the word swat. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:33, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- I agree, no 'Kingdom of' in the category name. Josh (talk) 16:40, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- Unless these are specific categories for that form of government, within a category like "Government of Eswatini" and for including subcategories for kings or royal families, or if this is related to the precolonial history (or in the history of colonial South Africa) where distinctions of different entities (in present-day Eswatini, possibly also covering areas outside of it) may be needed. verdy_p (talk) 22:01, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- I agree, no 'Kingdom of' in the category name. Josh (talk) 16:40, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- Good, but please spell it correctly. If it helps, note that the correct spelling contains the word swat. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:33, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
- Support move to Category:Eswatini As I noted here that we would need to rename. However I'd consider excluding the same CATs as was noted at the ENCFD. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:57, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Ruthven: Could you help with this? Please note the exceptions included in the wikipedia discussion that Crouch, Swale has listed above. Perhaps it would be best to post a full list of the potentially affected categories here first, and then if there are problems we can spot them more easily? I'm not sure what's best. Thanks. - Themightyquill (talk) 13:16, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- Support move to Category:Eswatini verdy_p (talk) 21:52, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Themightyquill and Crouch, Swale: Here's the list of categories I've found. Please remove the ones that are exceptions (the en.wiki discussion is too long and confusing to be followed), so that I can proceed. Thanks!! --Ruthven (msg) 21:11, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
List of categories named from Swaziland
[edit](done) - 2019 in Swaziland (done) - 2020 in Swaziland (done) - Agricultural terraces in Swaziland (done) - Agriculture in Swaziland (done) - Aircraft at airports in Swaziland (done) - Aircraft of Swaziland (**) !! - Airfields in Swaziland (**) !! - Airlines of Swaziland (done) - Airlink Swaziland (done) - Airport buildings in Swaziland (**) !! - Airports in Swaziland (done) - Airport terminals in Swaziland (**) !! - Ambassadors of the United States to Swaziland (**) !! - Ambassadors to Swaziland (done) - Anacardiaceae in Swaziland Animals of Swaziland (done) - Annonaceae in Swaziland (done) - Apostolic Nuncios to Swaziland Archaeological sites in Swaziland (done) - Audio files of Swaziland Automobile competitions in Swaziland by type Automobile driving in Swaziland Automobile driving in Swaziland Automobile events in Swaziland Automobile races in Swaziland by type Automobile racing in Swaziland by type Automobiles in Swaziland (**) !! - Aviation in Swaziland (done) Aviation in Swaziland by decade (**) !! - Aviation in Swaziland by year (done) - Aviation in Swaziland in the 2010s (done) - Beauty pageants in Swaziland (done) - Beauty pageant winners from Swaziland (done) - Bilateral maps of Swaziland Bilateral relations of Swaziland Birds of Swaziland Black and white photographs of Swaziland Bodies of water in Swaziland Buildings in Swaziland Buildings in Swaziland by function (done) - Categories of Swaziland Categories of Swaziland by century Categories of Swaziland by date Categories of Swaziland by type (done) - Categories of Swaziland by year (done) - Category navigational templates for Swaziland (done) - Children of Swaziland (done) - Children playing in Swaziland (done) - CIA World Factbook maps of Swaziland Cities in Swaziland Cliffs of Swaziland (done) - Clothing of Swaziland (done) - Coats of arms of Swaziland (**) !! - Coins of Swaziland Coleoptera of Swaziland Competitions in Swaziland Cuisine of Swaziland Dams in Swaziland (done) - Dance of Swaziland (**) !! - Death in Swaziland (**) !! - Deaths in Swaziland Defunct airlines of Swaziland Demographics of Swaziland (**) !! - Diptera of Swaziland Documents of Swaziland Driving in Swaziland Economy of Swaziland Education in Swaziland Embassies of Swaziland (done) Embassy of Swaziland, Washington, D.C. (done) Entertainment events in Swaziland Entertainment in Swaziland Erosion in Swaziland Erosion landforms in Swaziland (done) - Ethnic groups in Swaziland (done) - Events in Swaziland Events in Swaziland by year Festivals of Swaziland (done) - Flag maps of Swaziland (done) - Flags of Swaziland (done) - Flora of Swaziland (done) - Flora of Swaziland by order (done) - Flora of Swaziland by taxon Fluvial erosion in Swaziland Fluvial geomorphology of Swaziland (done) - Geography of Swaziland Geology of Swaziland Geomorphology of Swaziland Government of Swaziland Health in Swaziland High Commission of Swaziland, London Hiking in Swaziland (done) - Historical images of Eswatini (done) - Historical photographs of Swaziland History of Swaziland History of Swaziland by period (done) - Huts in Swaziland (done) - Images from Wiki Loves Africa 2019 in Swaziland (done) - Images from Wiki Loves Africa 2020 in Swaziland (done) - Infrastructure in Swaziland (**) !! - Insects of Swaziland International borders of Swaziland International relations of Swaziland (done) - Lamiaceae in Swaziland (done) - Lamiales in Swaziland Landforms of Swaziland Languages of Swaziland (**) !! - Lepidoptera of Swaziland (done) - LGBT in Swaziland Lions of Swaziland (done) - Location maps of Swaziland (done) - Locator maps of Swaziland (done) Magnoliales in Swaziland Mammals of Swaziland (*) ! - Maps of Swaziland Markets in Swaziland (done) - Men of Swaziland Meter stamps of Swaziland Military of Swaziland Mineralogy of Swaziland Minerals of Swaziland Mining in Swaziland (done) - Miss Swaziland (**) !! - Money of Swaziland Months in Swaziland Motorsports in Swaziland Mountains of Swaziland Musicians from Swaziland (done) - Music of Swaziland National parks in Swaziland (**) !! - Noctuidae of Swaziland Nature of Swaziland Off-road automobile competitions in Swaziland Off-road automobile races in Swaziland Off-road automobile racing in Swaziland Off-roading in Swaziland Off-road racing in Swaziland (done) - Old maps of Swaziland Outcrops in Swaziland Outdoor recreation in Swaziland Parks in Swaziland (**) !! - Passports of Swaziland (**) !! - Passport stamps of Swaziland (done) - People at work in Swaziland (done) - People of Swaziland People of Swaziland by occupation Petrology of Swaziland (done) - Photographs of Swaziland Politicians of Swaziland Politics of Swaziland (done) - Population pyramids of Swaziland (done) - Post of Swaziland (done) - Princesses of Swaziland Pronunciation of Swaziland Public services of Swaziland Quality images of Swaziland Rail transport in Swaziland (done) - Rail transport maps of Swaziland Rally raid automobile competitions in Swaziland Rally raid automobile racing in Swaziland Recreation in Swaziland Regions of Swaziland Ribbon bars of Swaziland Rivers of Swaziland Roads in Swaziland Road transport in Swaziland Road vehicles in Swaziland Rock art in Swaziland Rock formations in Swaziland Rock paintings in Swaziland Rocks in Swaziland Royalty of Swaziland (**) !! - Sapindales in Swaziland (done) - Satellite pictures of Swaziland Science and technology in Swaziland September in Swaziland Services in Swaziland Sibusiso Matsenjwa Society of Swaziland Sport in Swaziland Sports competitions in Swaziland Sports events in Swaziland Sports events in Swaziland by year Sports in Swaziland Sports in Swaziland by sport Sports in Swaziland by year Stamps of Swaziland Stones in Swaziland (done) - Suicides in Swaziland (done) - SVG labeled maps of administrative divisions of Swaziland (done) - SVG locator maps of regions in Swaziland (done) - SVG locator maps of Swaziland (done) - SVG maps of Swaziland (done) - Swaziland Airlink Swaziland at the Olympic Games Swaziland at the Summer Youth Olympics Swaziland at the Youth Olympics Swaziland by century Swaziland by decade (*) ! - Swaziland by year Swaziland in the 21st century (*) ! - Swaziland in the 2010s (*) ! - Swaziland in the 2020s (done) - Symbols of Swaziland Technology events in Swaziland Technology in Swaziland Tectonic landforms in Swaziland Templates related to Swaziland Temporal population graphs of Swaziland (done) - Teucrioideae in Swaziland (done) - Topographic maps of Swaziland (done) - Topography of Swaziland Tourism in Swaziland Transport buildings in Swaziland Transport events in Swaziland Transport infrastructure in Swaziland (done) - Transport in Swaziland (*) ! - Transport in Swaziland by decade Transport in Swaziland by year (*) ! - Transport in Swaziland in the 2010s (done) - Transport maps of Swaziland (done) - Trucks in Swaziland (done) - Unidentified animals in Swaziland (**) !! - Unidentified insects of Swaziland (**) !! - Unidentified Lepidoptera of Swaziland Vehicles in Swaziland Videos from Swaziland Visas of Swaziland Visitor attractions in Swaziland (done) - Waterfalls in Swaziland (done) - Wiki Loves Africa in Swaziland (done) - Wikimedia movement in Swaziland (done) - Women at work in Swaziland (done) - Women of Swaziland (done) - Women with earrings in Swaziland
PS: There is this one, that looks weird, can you please double check? Category:Copyright rules of eSwatini
- Notes
- (*) ! - This categories have been moved to the new name, but it is a problem to get the subcategories there. For these subcategories the parent category is not noted at the bottom of the site as usual but hidden somewhere in a template which I could not identify or change because of too much complexity. A specialist for templates has to take care of this. I think it would make sense to take this opportunity to rename these templates, for example from "Template:Aviation in Swaziland decade" to "Template:Aviation in Eswatini decade".--Bestoernesto (talk) 08:30, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- (**) !! - Here the categories are moved / renamed to *Eswatini* and the anachronistic category *Swaziland* page does not contain any pages or files anymore, but there are still countless wiki links to the redirection. This is apparently due to a chain of nested templates, which I assume usually start with the template {{{Countries of Africa}}. But it seems that there are also some other templates that use the obsolete name "Swaziland". I don't think it's in our interest to update (almost) all categories to *Eswatini* if the *Swaziland" category is still referenced from the corresponding navigation boards of other countries. First of all, 2 years after the renaming of the country, all half educated people will search in vain for the alphabetically sorted "Eswatini" on the navigation boards. (Less educated people will probably hardly deal with the topic "categories" at Commons) And secondly, if someone then discovers and clicks on the obsolete term "Swaziland", he currently only lands on the anachronistic category *Swaziland* page and has to click there again to get to the desired current category *Eswatini* page, since there is no automatic redirect. This unfortunately slows down a quick navigation.--Bestoernesto (talk) 14:07, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
- I've removed Category:Mantenga Swazi Cultural Village, Category:Swazi Airways, and Category:King Mswati III International Airport. @Crouch, Swale: Have I missed anything else important?
- Wikipedia kept all dated categories prior to 2018 as "Swaziland", but created "21st century in in Eswatini." That would mean Category:Swaziland in the 2000s stas the same, but Category:Swaziland in the 2010s gets renamed. Should we follow that example? - Themightyquill (talk) 08:32, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Themightyquill: I think many of the specific year categories (that it to say those before 2018) see w:Category:Years of the 21st century in Eswatini would use "Swaziland" while those that deal with both before 2018 and after such as Category:Swaziland in the 2010s should use "Eswatini". In other words Category:2015 in Swaziland shouldn't be renamed since at that time it was "Swaziland" Category:2019 in Swaziland should be renamed to Category:2019 in Eswatini since at that time (now!) the country is "Eswatini". Category:Transport in Swaziland in the 2010s should be renamed since it deals with both times when it was "Swaziland" and "Eswatini". Any yes other categories that aren't based on a specific time-frame (and their sub categories) such as Category:Sport in Swaziland should be renamed unless the name "Swaziland" is part of the name of an entity. So for example in you're list;
- 1951 in Swaziland
- 1998 events in Swaziland
- 1998 in sports in Swaziland
- 1998 in Swaziland
- 1998 sports events in Swaziland
- 2003 in Swaziland
- 2004 in aviation in Swaziland
- 2004 in Swaziland
- 2004 in transport in Swaziland
- 2006 in Swaziland
- 2009 in Swaziland
- 2012 in Swaziland
- 2014 in Swaziland
- 2015 in aviation in Swaziland
- 2015 in Swaziland
- 2015 in transport in Swaziland
- 2016 in Swaziland
- 2017 in Swaziland
- would be renamed but not "2019 in Swaziland". That should apply to the rest. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:50, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Themightyquill: I think many of the specific year categories (that it to say those before 2018) see w:Category:Years of the 21st century in Eswatini would use "Swaziland" while those that deal with both before 2018 and after such as Category:Swaziland in the 2010s should use "Eswatini". In other words Category:2015 in Swaziland shouldn't be renamed since at that time it was "Swaziland" Category:2019 in Swaziland should be renamed to Category:2019 in Eswatini since at that time (now!) the country is "Eswatini". Category:Transport in Swaziland in the 2010s should be renamed since it deals with both times when it was "Swaziland" and "Eswatini". Any yes other categories that aren't based on a specific time-frame (and their sub categories) such as Category:Sport in Swaziland should be renamed unless the name "Swaziland" is part of the name of an entity. So for example in you're list;
- Yes, that's how I imagined it, as that's what wikipedia has done. Our pattern here is a little inconsistent, since we do have anachronisms like Category:1532 in the United States. But unless anyone opposes, I suppose we'll just follow wikipedia's lead in the case of Swaziland vs Eswatini. - Themightyquill (talk) 12:11, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
- Please note that for renaming a country category, you must NOT replace directly the old name by the new name in the data module: you need to preserve the old name as a secondary alias. Otherwise navigation is immediately broken across all related pages using {{Countries of Africa}}, because it cannot locate the old pages waiting to be renamed.
- Then for renaming, don't create a new category, but use "rename" to move the page (this also updates the entry in Wikidata), and keep the new redirecting page with the old name to the new name, and if that old page is a category, of course you need to move its contents to the new category. You should keep the redirecting template left in the old category (not blank it, not delete it), as it really helps the navigation, from within this wiki but as well from external sites (including search engines) that can locate the new name with no surprise. The redirecting category can remain empty (no members), with just the redirecting template, and should no longer be linked with pages on other wikis (check Wikidata to fix that). verdy_p (talk) 20:52, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Verdy p: How does the list above look now? Can we move these?
List of pages named from Swaziland
[edit]- These pages must be renamed by administrators (not copy-pasted) to preserve the history
verdy_p (talk) 21:57, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- Note that this may apply to other galery pages in the root namespace. verdy_p (talk) 22:07, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
- dispatched--Bestoernesto (talk) 05:46, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Discussion is closed after one and a half years. There was no opposition to renaming in general, the subcategories already have been renamed in general. --Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 22:10, 3 August 2020 (UTC)