Commons:Deletion requests/File:Roza Shanina.jpg
Jump to navigation
Jump to search
This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask a question at the Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may re-nominate this file or ask for it to be undeleted.
no indication of early enough publication to be PD in country of origin PlanespotterA320 (talk) 17:20, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Keep According to wikipedia:en picture among others was featured June 9th 1944 on the front page of the Soviet newspaper Unichtozhim Vraga [1]. Link to article source on article [2]. Copyright is hence not an issue. Apollofox (talk) 21:12, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- Do we know for sure that THIS SPECIFIC photo was in that newspaper, WITHOUT ATTRIBUTION? Because we do not have any evidence of that. We do not have that newspaper we have. We only know that a photo of her, (that may or may not have had attribution) was in said newspaper. Not enough to keep. There are lots of photos of Shanina out there, it could easily have been a different photo.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 21:47, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
- If you check the link, you will see THIS picture was featured at the said date on the front page of the Soviet newspaper Unichtozhim Vraga. Apollofox (talk) 11:22, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
- The link is dead. We need something more specific (and not just a statement that it was in a newspaper, but somebody need to SEE the alleged newspaper to verify the image's precence, check to ensure the newspaper did not attribute a photographer [as many photo archives don't know the author of their photos but wartime newspapers containing such photos have attribution].) There needs to be a way that somebody can view the newspaper in question to verify information important for copyright status, since we CANNOT just take the word of notoriusly unreliable Russian websites, websites with dead links, etc, to provide sufficient accurate publication information (armoury-online.ru is not exactly waralbum.ru). Wikimedia must be verifiable. And the mention of the newspaper wasn't even in the file infobox. I checked the link and noticed that while it did say that a portrait of Shanina was in the newspaper on the date, it did NOT specify clearly which exact photo of Shanina it was in the newspaper, nor was an image of the newspaper provided. There are many, many photos of Shanina out there. There is so far no evidence that this particular photo was the one in the Уничтожим врага 1944 newspaper.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 21:09, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
- If you check the link, you will see THIS picture was featured at the said date on the front page of the Soviet newspaper Unichtozhim Vraga. Apollofox (talk) 11:22, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
- We don't use assumptions on Wikipedia. And it can't be PD in the US as required by Commons unless published before 1946. And remember that Russia extended their copyright to 70 years, meaning that this would have to have been published before 1950 in order to be PD in Russia. But we do not have proof of any publication early enough.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 12:35, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- It's known that the image was taken in 1944. I'll try to search further for the year of publication. Brandmeister (talk) 00:11, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
- We don't use assumptions on Wikipedia. And it can't be PD in the US as required by Commons unless published before 1946. And remember that Russia extended their copyright to 70 years, meaning that this would have to have been published before 1950 in order to be PD in Russia. But we do not have proof of any publication early enough.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 12:35, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- There is NOT ANY evidence that the photo was published in 1944 (only vague statements and assumptions based on creation date - not a clear-cut publication source). If it was published after 1 January 1946 or later, it is NOT public domain in the US. If it was published after 1 January 1949, it is not PD in Russia or the US. We do not have evidence of any kind that it was PUBLISHED before 1 January 1949 (only know that it was created in 1944 before Shanina died, not nessesarily PUBLISHED by then). Sadly, there is NOT sufficient information to support any PD claims. Per Commons burden of proof policy, an early enough publication must be found, and assuming it was published in 1944 just because it was created in 1944 is unacceptable and has been ruled against on numerous occasions on Commons.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 21:02, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Comment These links may be useful: Commons:Project scope/Precautionary principle, Commons:Project scope/Evidence. Brianjd (talk) 02:44, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Deleted: per nomination. Despite the Keeps, there died not seem to be evidence in support of such publication dates. --Green Giant (talk) 00:32, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
