Commons:Deletion requests/Mikhail Posokhin

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Mikhail Posokhin

• Kudrinskaya Square Building ([1])
  • File:Kudrinskaya Square Building 12.jpg
  • File:Kudrinskaya Square Building 14.jpg
  • File:Kudrinskaya Square Building 15.jpg
  • File:Kudrinskaya Skyscraper- a pinhole photograph.jpg
• Kremlin Palace in Moscow ([2])
  • File:Russia-Moscow-State Kremlin Palace-1.jpg
  • File:State Kremlin Palace-1.jpg
  • File:State Kremlin Palace Moscow.JPG
  • File:State Kremlin Palace.jpg
  • File:Troitskaya Tower and State Kremlin Palace.jpg
• Olympic Stadium in Moscow ([3])
  • File:Olimpijski 2010.jpg
  • File:Olimpiskiy-moscow.jpg
  • File:Olympic Stadium in Moscow.jpg
  • File:Olimpiisky 2009 Kremlin Cup.JPG

These are images of architecturial works of Mikhail Posokhin, who died in 1989 ([4]). There is no FOP in Russia ([5]), and Russian law is applied retroactively to Soviet works ([6]). Should be Category "Undelete in 2060/64" --Fernrohr (talk) 11:12, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

 Keep. As NVO wrote on Fernrohr's talk page: A policy is in place but there's no commitment. None. [...] practically anything built in the Union fails COM:FOP in this or that way. It's a five-digit mass of photos. Current "consensus" is to disregard COM:FOP in this case: no one really cares about legalese crap fabricated in Russia or North Korea. [...] Can this simple statement lead to a summary deletion of all photography in the Union-related categories? (accentuation by me) - yes, it can, if you go ahead deleting stuff like this, resulting in Wikimedia Commons becoming virtually useless for illustrating articles about Russia and/or or the Soviet Union (which occupied 1/6 of the Earth's land area). Change this policy right now because of common sense and the nullo actore, nullus iudex principle, and stop deletions at least until this point is clarified! And BTW, we do not need administrators implementing "commons policies" acting like robots not considering any issues around, like the mentioned above... --SibFreak (talk) 07:15, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

I consider the argument "deletion is inconvenient and nobody will sue WMF based on this legalese crap, so let's ignore it" particularly inadequate. Nothing needs to be clarified, it is all pretty clear. Dura lex, sed lex, since you like Latin. --Fernrohr (talk) 08:21, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

• Comment. In all three cases Posokhin's firm teamed up with another firm (which actually contributed design). The chiefs of these other firms should be named too. The last of these bosses, Boris Tkhor, died in 2009. lv:Leonas Aranauskas is still alive. Tkhor and Posokhin headed the firms that designed the Book Market (former Olympic Stadium). Somewhat more detailed sources list its authors as "Posokhin, Tkhor, Aranauskas, Semerjiev, Lvovsky, Ratzkevich et al.". This et al. says it all: we don't know the whole list of authors, and, in fact, any authors. The names of the real architects and engineers, the intellectual negroes of Posokhin & Posokhin outfit, are buried in archives. The whole "undelete in 2060" bullshit is just this, bullshit and nonsense: true authors are unknown to general public, the corporation that appropriated their work is alive and well and may survive for many decades. Bottomline: yes, the authors are alive (it's been only thirty years); no, Posokhin Sr. and Posokhin Jr. aren't authors in traditional sense. Businessmen, yes; creators, no. NVO (talk) 19:09, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
  • It may need clarification: Mikhail Posokhin Jr. is the son, heir, and successor to Mikhail Posokhin Sr. (the subject of this FFD). Posokhin Jr.'s firm (Mosproekt-2, [7]) usually credits many authors of its contemporary jobs (up to 27 authors on a single big project), but there's no info on Soviet period jobs. NVO (talk) 19:19, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

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Deleted, no freedom of panorama in the former Soviet Union. Kameraad Pjotr 20:56, 14 December 2010 (UTC)