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Revision of the Draft Article about Aziz Tazi

Hi AngusWOOF, thank you for your comment on my draft article. I did remove any section of the article that could sound subjective. The draft article should now only contain facts, verifiable by reputable references. Please check the changes below and if you have any other questions, let me know. Best, Nick

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Aziz_Tazi

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickazzemani (talk • contribs) 22:34, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Nick, there are still a number of statements that make the draft promotional. The draft had bolded "first Moroccan-born film director in history" multiple times. It uses name drops or other credit drops to refer to other actors and producers. You don't need to add "award-winning" to describe those folks, just a simple occupation like "producer Piers Morgan". Other statements seem like resume stuffers, how they contribute towards his career. Those need to be objectively rewritten and sourced by external news sources. Press and Accolades should be renamed to Accolades and only have notable awards. He doesn't need statements like: (newspaper) wrote an article about him on (date). If you mention schools or jobs attended, add the year, like "he attended UC Berkeley where he (did these projects). He graduated in (year) with a (type of degree and major)." AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 14:54, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Nick, are there other notable works he has done besides Night Walk? It might end up being a redirect there. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 15:00, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi AngusWOOF,

Thank you for your reply. I don't know if you saw the most recent draft but it seems like many of the issues you talk about have already been taken care of.

I need to clarify: the page never said "first Moroccan-born film director in history". It said, "first Moroccan-born director to get Hollywood distribution". Moroccan filmmakers usually get their work released in Morocco or at best, in the French-speaking world but Aziz Tazi was the first ever to get distribution through a major studio like Lionsgate. I am not the one that claims it. Sources are available here , and .

Regarding your comments on the use of "award-winning" and "press", I just edited the draft as you requested. The name drops are not just promotional - it was to show the person's legitimacy. A film director is judged by the notoriety of the actors that work with him. If someone who is highly distinguished such as Mickey Rourke worked with him (and also praised him ), isn't it worth noting? Regardless, I removed the mention about Variety and HuffPost writing about him. I followed your instructions about the education part as well. Please check but I really made sure that every statement in the article is accompanied by external verifiable sources. A few are offline but that's because they were in print media. I can submit scans of those articles but I was told I shouldn't because of copyright issues. I hope the reviewers can find these print articles on their own.

As for other notable work, the documentary series "Arab Stories" was aired on national television, the film Imago opened an international film festival, and his music videos have millions of views on Youtube. He was in Forbes Africa's 30 Under 30 - that means that he was one of 30, out of the more than a billion people who live in the entire continent of Africa, to be selected by a reputable news source such as Forbes to be on this list. Doesn't all of that warrant a page? I know you guys don't like to make the comparison but I can link to Wikipedia pages of people with half his achievements. In fact, I have seen pages of two people who literally worked under Aziz Tazi on two projects. I understand the need to ensure notability but I hope the changes I made and links I added, helps prove that this person does indeed deserve a page.

Nickazzemani (talk) 18:00, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

References

Nick, regarding the first Moroccan director, the point was it was bolded multiple times. That looks like that has been corrected. Again, with regards to name drops, you don't need to buffer up the other people's credentials, just use "actor Mickey Rourke" or "producer Piers Morgan" with links to their wikipedia pages. You don't need to say they were award-winning. Regarding print media, if you can link them to online articles that would be helpful but it isn't necessary, and you can just cite the newspaper/magazine. Arab Stories you can list which national TV channel it was aired on and back it up with the news source.

As for 30 under 30, just because someone makes that list does not guarantee any notability. See Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(people)/Archive_2020#Notability_for_being_in_certain_lists AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:40, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Nick, the Accolades section should not be for appearances on television or magazines. Those cover stories and news segments can be added to his career section if appropriate, such as "In (year), Tazi appeared on the cover of (notable magazine)". AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:45, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi AngusWOOF,

Thanks again for helping me with this submission. I made sure to modify the article with all the changes you requested. I also got some help on the Live WikiHelp to remove all the excessive details, name dropping, and unnecessary elements. I adjusted the formatting by italicizing all the movie titles too. According to the person who helped me, there is a chance for approval this time! Of course, you have the final word. Hopefully, you agree too but please let me know if there is anything else you think needs to be changed. Best, Nick

Nickazzemani (talk) 23:59, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Nick, you can submit it. Any AFC reviewer can check it out. It doesn't have to be me. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 00:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

I did submit it. It says "awaiting review" right now. Just wanted to let you know in case you wanted to be the one in charge of it but yes, I understand that any AFC reviewer can check it out. Hopefully, it's suitable for everyone. Thanks again for your help throughout this process.

Nickazzemani (talk) 06:51, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Sam Rosenthal (designer) article

Hey AngusWOOF,

Happy Tuesday! Thanks for your feedback on the Sam Rosenthal article. I read through some more Wiki guides, particular the Notability one, to better understand what needs to be improved. Went ahead and added some modifications, particularly to help meet the guidelines listed under the "Additional Criteria", which seems to be part of what was missing. In particular, I added an additional accolade + citation to address the bullet of awards/nominations for the criteria under "Any Biography". In this case, I believe the subject would also fall under the "Creative Professional" bucket; the reason I've left some of the prior secondary news references in is because (from my understanding) they help support line items 3 (created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work) and 4 (won significant critical attention).

Let me know if this interpretation is correct or if there's additional work I can do to improve this further. Thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Candlesonfire (talk • contribs) 16:53, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Candlesonfire, you need more external news articles that cover his individual career, otherwise it's likely to redirect to his most notable works such as Blaseball. I would get rid of LinkedIn and other direct resume/profile/website links. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 14:45, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

Thank you for helping me while creating my first article. Scribbbblr (talk) 06:05, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hire a Camp article: I have put the reliable news sources. Where I am going wrong, please help.

I have referenced the reliable news website(s) of India. Please help me to find out which sources are marked as unreliable. I will edit them as soon as possible. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scribbbblr (talk • contribs) 06:06, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Scribbbblr, see WP:ORGCRIT. Several of the sources are corporate directory listings. The Startup Lab is a promotional website. AsiaNews.in is also promotional. That leaves just two articles and those only talk about the company briefly with regards to receiving a funding round. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 14:34, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Rejection of article on Louisa Gann

Hi. You this week rejected my draft article on Louisa Gann, and I would appreciate it if you could expand your reasons. I can understand that you might think her of minor interest, although I feel her achievements compare well with those of some other subjects of articles on Wikipedia, and will delete the article on these grounds if you say so. Before doing so, though I wonder if you could advise me, for the sake of future articles I might write (a) what is wrong with my writing style, that "it sounds like it was copied from a book"? (This articles is all in my own original words.) and (b) what is wrong with published PhD theses as sources? (surely, since these dissertations have been reviewed by knowledgeable academics before publication, they are suitable for citation? Your advice would be appreciated, as I have a few more draft articles I am preparing to submit. Regards, JMHhistorian (talk) 12:13, 12 August 2021 (UTC)JMHHistorian

JMHhistorian, it's a decline, not a reject (which would be like don't bother), so you can resubmit it, and any AFC reviewer (doesn't have to be me) can take a look at it. My concern was mainly that it seemed like it was written for another publication or website and that it was then copied over to Wikipedia. See WP:OR The research was quite detailed and loosely cites just one reference at the end of each paragraph, with some paragraphs not referencing anything at all. If you look at most of the bios here, it seems like every statement made has some sort of citation right afterwards. If the entire paragraph was referenced to material from that citation then that's okay. As for theses, see WP:SCHOLARSHIP, it depends on how well peer-reviewed and cited the papers are, and not just the local professor from the school. If the citations are from books or more widely-published journals, that would be preferable. At least 2-3 reliable sources that meet WP:GNG would be enough to get it into mainspace. Hope that helps. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:05, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi AngusWOOF. Many thanks for taking the time to advise. Very helpful. JMHhistorian (talk) 10:28, 13 August 2021 (UTC)JMHHistorian

Paco Pulido Millonarios

Hello Angus. Thanks for taking the time to review my submission. On the two comments that you mentioned, I wanted to ask your opinion on how to ensure that the information of Mr. Pulido shows when you visit the club´s wikipedia article. (Apparently the information is in fact listed in https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millonarios_F%C3%BAtbol_Club and https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Presidentes_de_Millonarios_F%C3%BAtbol_Club, although I notice thses are listed only in spanish. Do you think I should link or make a citation relating to these specific articles? As for the references, I will fix them once I learn how to update since I´m not very savy using the code editing platform. Thanks and look forward to your reply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.61.208.191 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

181.61.208.191, usually there's a Current staff / front office section. But given that he is a former staffer, that will probably be better to write in unless you can do it in their history. For citations, do not cite ES wikipedia, but if there are news articles that ES wikipedia references that contain the information you need, you can cite that instead. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 23:03, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

181.61.208.191, I do see a List of Barcelona Sporting Club presidents if you are looking for similar ones, but they usually do not expand to individual articles unless they are separately notable. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 23:05, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Angus, thanks for taking the time to respond. Will revise and resubmit once it´s ok. Cheers! BTW, I did find a list of Millonarios FC presidents but only in ES, maybe I´ll have to cite that since there´s no other. Thanks! And thank you for the help with the references!

Hi Angus, I have updated the information according to your suggestions/indications and have linked, as I commented, the articles containing the information. Could you please take one more look at the article which I have already resubmitted? I´d really appreciate any feedback you may consider. Thanks!

181.61.208.191, why are you citing ES wikipedia? Those need to be replaced. You can use references that ES wikipedia provides to back up some of your statements but not ES Wikipedia itself. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 20:56, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Sanya SY150-9F

My page was deleted saying it promotes company, group etc. Please let me know what all things should be corrected so that I can edit accordingly.

Thank you. Anu380 (talk) 10:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Anu380, first of all, if it's a product from a company you're associated with, then you have a conflict of interest and need to disclose that. Second, it needs to be written without referring to the website, press releases, or corporate literature. Third, it needs to be written neutrally, highlighting both good and bad aspects. Fourth, it should be notable on its own outside of the company, otherwise it should redirect to the company's Wikipedia page as a product. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 00:27, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Champ Da General

Hey can you please help me with the article you declined for Champ Da General. I put more references on the edit tab. Thanks for any feedback. DemoGirls (talk) 00:41, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

DemoGirls, the concern is that a lot of the draft article was copy-pasted or paraphrased from other sources. This needs to be completely rewritten. You also need sources that cover Champ's career that are independent of the label or promotions. See WP:MUSICBIO and indicate what criteria he meets. Does he have music that has charted on Billboard, OCC, or other reputable charts? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 23:13, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Jang Ye-eun

I would appreciate any feedback on this. I think it's ready for the mainspace but at the same I also have some doubts. Btspurplegalaxy (talk) 00:11, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Btspurplegalaxy, how does Jang meet WP:ENT? What are the major lead roles in major productions? Also if there are WP:THREE sources that are considered GNG, with detailed coverage of Jang, then we can list those for review and determine whether that's enough for GNG. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 23:09, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Aditya Tiwari

Hi,

I created this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Aditya_Tiwari with more references. The earlier version of this page was deleted not because it was not notable, but because it contained similar information to a previously deleted page that was poorly cited.

I request you to kindly look into it with more sensitivity and revive the page.

This writer, author, and activist has brought about significant change in the queer space in a country like India, where “queer rights” are a lot more necessary and required. This page qualifies and should be included on Wikipedia because this person has sufficient notability to be here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plushwiki21 (talk • contribs) 22:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Plushwiki21, you need to discuss this with folks who voted delete at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Aditya_Tiwari. I had approved an earlier version with the same sources you listed here, however, it was speedily deleted as a recreation of the article that was up at AFD. You also need to provide notes that Tiwari is now far more notable as of February 2021, and supply GNG sources that cover Tiwari's career in depth. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 23:08, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Aditya Tiwari Request to remove rejection notice

Hi, Can you please remove the rejection notice from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Aditya_Tiwari So that I can resend it for approval? thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plushwiki21 (talk • contribs) 00:48, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Plushwiki21, have you convinced any of the AFD'ers that Tiwari is more notable? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 01:35, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Request

Hi AngusWOOF,

Please remove the rejection notice from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Aditya_Tiwari so that I can re-submit it for approval. I have written to the AFD'ers that Aditya Tiwari is more notable now. Allow me to kindly make minor edits and resubmit it, thanks. Really appreciate your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plushwiki21 (talk • contribs) 23:59, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Plushwiki21, where are the AFD'ers posts that show they have changed their mind about the notability of the person? In the meantime, you can continue to make edits to the draft. If you have provided WP:THREE good references at their talk page or in the submission comments, that could help things. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 03:52, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Plushwiki21, please discuss at the Talk:Wiki Loves Pride thread the sources. I also found the person who G4'ed the previous article; if you can convince them about newer notability then that will help your case. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 21:55, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Md. Shahjahan Shamim

Thanks sir for your reply, sir i removed this three references, can you please help me which reference is suitable for this page Himanshu7777 (talk) 20:06, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Himanshu7777, please read the comments on the draft. There are multiple people using the same name Shahjahan Shamim. Only the researcher is using Md. in front of it. The filmmaker is probably the most notable for having a website and films. The YouTuber musician / entrepreneur doesn't have external news coverage, only his own websites and press releases. The researcher has no notability. The authors and other folks are unknowns. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 21:53, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

sir please check following link: https://g.co/kgs/KgRof6 this song list not generated by artist. http://www.itunescharts.net/us/search/?query=Shahjahan+Shamim https://digsty.com/search/?qf=network:twitter%20country:bd%20category:musician https://digsty.com/search/?qf=country:bd%20category:influencer https://www.shazam.com/track/580470391/dynamite Sir please check following link also https://popnable.com/bangladesh https://www.yolodaily.com/we-should-change-the-pattern-of-music-videos-shahjahan-shamim/ https://www.yolodaily.com/success-story-of-a-multi-talented-musician-and-author-in-bangladesh-shahjahan-shamim/ https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=AOaemvKhuPoc6IBpq2_k5uwz2IZmHXnWbQ:1630095727288&q=Shahjahan+Shamim&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgFuLSz9U3MCqqyshIU-LVT9c3NEwziLessqwy0VLPTrbST00pTU4syczP0y_NyyxLLSrOLKm0yssvSUzKSVVIzCnNzct8xBjGLfDyxz1hKd9Ja05eY3TnIlankAQXm2teCVBCiE-KhwvJLVZMGkw8i1gFgjMSM7ISMxLzFICs3MzcCWyMAN9oiYW1AAAA&sa=X Sir please check his song was streaming in I heart radio. https://www.iheart.com/artist/shahjahan-shamim-36461133/ Himanshu7777 (talk) 20:43, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Himanshu7777, entries in music databases / websites are considered primary sources, which won't help establish notability. Google searches are not reliable sources. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 21:52, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Stresa

As I said on my talk page, I just pointed it now. Please review the redirection and we are set. Thanks. Ode+Joy (talk) 21:09, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Ode+Joy, you can request redirects over at WP:AFCRC They don't need to be drafted. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 21:50, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

Thanks for the help, even though it kinda stung. I hope you're not allergic to chocolate LmbrJckBear84 (talk) 04:02, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

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Request on 19:33:07, 29 August 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Eye ay en

• Eye ay en (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Mosquito Bite (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, I'm confused as to why my article is being nominated for deletion under the justification that "there is already a section in the main article for that". In a similar case, there is a section for "Stings" in the main "Bee" article, but another article specifically for "Bee Stings". The same basic principle is there, but my article is being argued for deletion.

The other reason for deletion is arguing the subject does not have enough content to be its own article, despite there being a Bee Sting page, and an entire page called "Insect Bites and Stings".

Both links: Bee Sting, Insect bites and stings

Thanks,

Eye ay en (talk) 19:33, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Eye ay en, it's been declined by myself, but it does not appear to be nominated for deletion. My suggestion was to talk about it at Moquito on whether that section can be split off. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 22:25, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

AngusWOOF Yes, declined, that's my mistake. But there are individual articles for bee sting even though there is a section for "Stings" in the main article. Why is my submission declined while the other article isn't? I don't understand why I'd talk about it at Mosquito when you declined it, and when the section for "stings" in Bee sting is still there. Also, the talk page for mosquito is reserved solely for improvement to the mosquito article. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mosquito)

Eye ay en (talk) 23:21, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Eye ay en, but you are requesting that the bite section have its own article, that's a major update on the Mosquito article. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 23:37, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

What? The page for bee and bee stings both exist. I checked both the "Bee" talk page & archives and there was no asking to make a bee sting article. Why should I have to ask if they didn't?

Eye ay en (talk) 01:36, 30 August 2021 (UTC)