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Remember Wikimania 2016 - June 22-28

This is a reminder to readers to focus on Wikimania 2016, in Esino Lario, Province of Lecco, Lombardy Region, Italy, on June 22–23 (pre-conference), 24–26 (main conference) and 27–28 (post-conference), 2016. This week is preparation. -Wikid77 (talk) 05:31, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

How can those of us who will not be attending Wikimania 2016 benefit from it?

—Wavelength (talk) 18:41, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Admins couldn't stop partial vandalism in Wiki Fa

Hi, As of Oct 2015 and even older, we have a serious problem about misusing of Wiki policies by 2 partial Muslim users in WikiFa to make vandalism. Recently one another user joined them. But many high level users including semi-admin users (ویکی‌بان means users have the accessibility of Wiki Guard) protected the contents of two articles through rollbacks and reverses. Concurrently I was discussing with these 2 users in the talk page. They have many fallacies too.
In Oct 2015 , 3 admins didn't participate in the request for WP:THIRD opinion by ping. Again no admin participated in the WP:RFC in May and June 2016. The partial users claimed repetitvely the contents of the articles are original research (however the contents are based on secondary sources).
The solution is in the clear answer of three questions :

1. Using of primary source showing a claim clearly without any interpretation and without any combination with other sources inside the existing articles and sections IS FORBIDDEN ANYWAY? (the primary source has not been used to create a new section or article or new claim but used in a tiny part of an existing article and shows the claimed subject CLEARLY and it doesn't combine different things) (for example assume there is a book 1000 or 1400 years old and a reliable official website approved one page of this book as to be true and translated it. The page shows clearly Ali advised Umar in the conquest of Persia and what Ali said to Umar. The article used this source to claim what Ali said to Umar and nothing more and no combination nor interpretation. Is it an original research?)
2. Using of primary sources supprted by RELIABLE SECONDARY sources in the way of the claims of the contents inside an existing article or section topics, is it an original research? (secondary sources support the primary sources) in the Criticism of Quran and Muhammad.
3. If based on WP:PRIMARY , using of the primary sources based on the secondary ones is allowed and useing of primary sources under the defined conditions is not forbidden , if this 3 partial Muslim users are vandalizing and removing reliable sources in different articles repetitively and other experienced users are protecting the articles and the partial users do any thing they want, then with regard to the WP:Protection policy, is it a true admin react to fully-protect the article instead of , at least , warning the partial users? (with regard to the many discussions we had in the talk pages as of Oct 2015)

Note : The Farsi version of WP:MOSISLAM was completely distorted as of 2010 and was not the exact translation of the English version policy core and I translated it precisely (referred to the En Wiki permanent link in the edit summary) and the user reverted and warned me in my talk page and I reverted as vandalism back. He apologised and said he hadn't paid enough attention accurately to my correct edit and he said nothing about stopping vandalism in the articles : Farsi WP:MOSISLAM diff page

Note : I had other different historic and even religious historic contributions to Islamic articles too such as Islam, Smarkand Kufic Quran and ... which that time I was not partial in the view of these partial users but now they accused me to be partial and one of them (Bruno) had made many WP:distuptive edits either in talks and in the edit summary of articles and said many lies against me (personal attacks) and no admin even warned him. However I was right and admins could not warn me too (you may check my talk page too) but they didn't see the disruptions of the user Bruno too.

These 3 partial users remove the contents and sources only as original research : fa:کاربر:Sa.vakilian (Especially this user) and fa:کاربر:طاها and recently fa:کاربر:Bruno joined them.

Wiki is not a practice for WP:Democrocy but these Muslim users in the talk pages claim that they are 3 and I am just one in the discussions. This way the list of protector users is as below and I don't know why admins who protected the article twice and other protector users (those approved my contributions to be not original) wouldn't participate in the talks but they still protect the article :

fa:کاربر:مهرنگار

fa:Special:Diff/17235269/17235311

fa:کاربر:Arian Ar

fa:Special:Diff/16598179/16598185

fa:کاربر:Modern Sciences

fa:Special:Diff/16197879/16197926

fa:کاربر:RAHA68

fa:Special:Diff/16067482/16067492

fa:Special:Diff/16153180/16153209

fa:Special:Diff/17235503/17235607

fa:Special:Diff/16620628/16621284

fa:کاربر:هفشجانی

fa:Special:Diff/16408226/16408260

fa:کاربر:آزادسرو

fa:Special:Diff/16595793/16595883

And more... and admins :

The controversial articles :

• fa:نقد قرآن (Fully protected for 30 days)
• fa:نقد محمد

What's the controversial contents? what were the sources?

1. Some contradictions and moral criticisms of the Quran supported by answering-islam.org, skepticsannotatedbible.com and makarem.ir. Secondary sources are referring to the Quran directly and clearly.
2. Islamic debate about Quran to be the dream of Muhammad (exact subject of the debate) between two Muslims Abdolkarim Soroush and Abdolali Bazargan in BBC Persian Pargar
3. Iyad Jamal Al-din (the MP of Iraq who were previously in Iran) secondary source from Alarabia (tv) about cruelty and inequality (double-standard) in Islam between Muslim and non-Muslim (Themmi). One of the reasons of essentiality of separation between Religion and State.
4. Repetitively, Quran has said, ancient Arab people , when Muhammad was alive , were calling him as influenced by Jinni (Majnoon Insaneness) and Quran refuses their claims. Supported by reliable Islamic secondary sources and Quran primary source too (Clearly without any interpretation) such as http://www.shareh.com/persian/magazine/maktab_i/87/10/02.htm
5. Schizophrenia of Muhammad by Sam Harris second source clearly + some information about Schizophrenia of John Nash when he was 30 years old. Muhammad was 40 years old when he claimed his connection to the Gabriel. He had one spouse until the death of Khadija both supported by secondary sources in the Muhammad article. (is this a combination to create a new idea or claim? Schizophrenia is a claim by Harris not me)

fa:حمله اعراب به ایران (fa:Special:Diff/17357567/17361563) again in this article the user tries to remove the reliable source. In this case there is no new topic(section nor article) but there is an authorized sacred text shows clearly Ali advised Umar in the Muslim conquest of Persia (the only claimed thing in the article which is supported by the secondary reliable translate source of Nahjolbalaghe) and the partial user says that using of primary sources are forbidden anyway. The translate source is a famous high level official clergy such as Ansarian here and other official famous clergies too.

AFAIK we can use the reliable primary sources without interpretation or combination :

Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. For example, an article about a novel may cite passages to describe the plot, but any interpretation needs a secondary source. Do not analyze, evaluate, interpret, or synthesize material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so. Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them.

Conclusion

Sometimes I spend time to grow wiki (and there is a long list of translation TODOs) to help the free knowledge spread and have a better world impartially and it's very encouraging when I see people protect Wiki but when I see some users do any vandalism they want and no one prevent them , it is really discouraging. There are many users from other languages, concurrently, contributing to English and their language thus supervising the quality of important policies in other language Wikis will help to the quality of English Wiki, This is my response to the Wiki invitation https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire

Tnx, my username is symbolic not fanatic I'm just from Earth --(fa:کاربر:IranianNationalist) IranianNationalist (talk) 06:30, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

See Category:User fa and Category:Wikipedians who contribute to the Persian Wikipedia

and Category:Wikipedians in Iran and Wikipedia:WikiProject Iran/Members.

—Wavelength (talk) 16:48, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Your global account information is at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/IranianNationalist.

—Wavelength (talk) 17:09, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Request to remove the founder flag

Hello, I have requested to remove the founder flag see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_and_proposals/remove_the_founder_flag I assume you a agree such a flag is silly and not needed for this project. Kolonel Zeiksnor (talk) 23:31, 17 June 2016 (UTC)