Talk:1872 Atlantic hurricane season

GA Review

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Nominator: 12george1 (talk · contribs) 21:09, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: ForksForks (talk · contribs) 15:52, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey, going to take a look at this for you. I took a read through the article

General comments:

• The lead is 350 words, reads as too long to me. The second paragraph especially could be sent to the body. I also am a fan of MOS:CITELEAD and would prefer the lead summarize the content of the article and thus not need citations.
• Phrases like "north-northeastward to northeastward" I know precision like this is useful for academic reasons, but is there a less clunky way (or a less precise way) to say things like this for a general audience?

• I think the best option here might be to say "generally northeastward"--12george1 (talk) 21:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

• General comment, this is not a pass requirement by me -- I think Stephen King said most adverbs are not useful, and I tend to agree with him. I have struck out some of these where I thought the sentence could be better expressed without one.
• Not clear to me what a bark is.

• It's a type of ship, sometimes spelled barque. Wikilinked that term--12george1 (talk) 21:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

• You introduce the 2014 study with the year a few times in similar ways. Maybe after the first time introducing him you can just cite the source, or find a less repetitive means of presenting his findings.

• Ok, removed the year except the first time, but I think his name should remain to avoid confusion between what is official and unofficial--12george1 (talk) 21:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

• "The Atlantic hurricane best track begins the path for this system as a" not sure what the best track is.

• "best track" is an alternative name for the hurricane database (HURDAT). I decided to remove mentions of the "best track" to avoid confusion--12george1 (talk) 21:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

• Grand Trunk Railroad do we have a wikilink? where is the railroad?

• Based on the List of Alabama railroads, Grand Trunk Railroad is the shortened form of the Mobile and Alabama Grand Trunk Railroad, which does not have an article. This map from 1872 shows it as a blue line going north from Mobile and passing through Clarke County, the place that the news article is talking about--12george1 (talk) 21:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I have a personal interest in railroads, so this isc ool. ForksForks (talk) 22:29, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

• "Alexandria Gazette and Virginia Advertiser" is this the actual name of the newspaper or is this quote attributed to two sources?

• That appears to be its actual name. If you would like to, click on the source and scroll to the top. I think we're supposed to call the newspaper by what it says at the top, not what Newspapers.com calls it--12george1 (talk) 21:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Most peculiar! Thank you ForksForks (talk) 22:29, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

• Other storms section -- is the exact pathing of all the minor storms worth including? Not sure if the reader benefits from this.
• Noting for due diligence purposes that we have a 57% copyvio detection from earwig when comparing to the NOAA source, but I am reasonably confident that this is pretty spurious, as it seems to be only parts of phrases that seem to be common in ths hurricane lingo, and names of places, etc.
• Propose wikilinking stuff that is linked in the lead again in the text.
• "It is only calculated at six-hour increments in which specific tropical and subtropical systems are either at or above sustained wind..." very long sentence. Any better way to phrase this?
• I believe we are not required to specify that NYC is in NY due to it's notability. Guideline is escaping me at the moment.

• I'm not sure about the guideline either but I decided to do that--12george1 (talk) 21:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Criteria Analysis:

• Well Written
  • I would like to see this geared a little more towards a broad audience before passing. It doesn't need much work, but I think an eye towards keeping the sentences flowing and not including too much detail would go a long way. See above comments.
• Verifiable
  • All set on inline citations, copyright, etc. See source comment below on OR
• Broad
  • This article clearly covers all major hurricanes in the season.
• Neutral
  • Yes — Preceding unsigned comment added by ForksForks (talk • contribs) 15:53, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
• Stable
  • Yes
• Images
  • All images are clearly PD or generated by the author.

Source review:

• (1) HURDAT: I'm having trouble finding how the paragraph about ACE is covered in this source. It seems to primarily be data about hurricanes not definitions

• There are definitions below the table. ""ACE" - Accumulated Cyclone Energy = An index that combines the numbers of systems, how long they existed and how intense they became. It is calculated by squaring the maximum sustained surface wind in the system every six hours that the cyclone is a Named Storm and summing it up for the season."--12george1 (talk) 21:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

• (15) Newspaper: Checks out
• (14) Signal service: Checks out
• (8) to be precise, I think the snip technically implies lives were lost in the Antilles, not Dominica.

• Per the last sentence "At Dominica the vessels were dashed to pieces, wharves broken and many lives lost"--12george1 (talk) 21:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

• (6) This seems to be a table. How are we citing this for prose comments about direction, etc. and having it not be OR. Is this accepted practice? Please confirm.

• Yes, it is accepted practice. Using HURDAT to describe a storm direction is a routine calculation, which can be verified using the reanalysis map--12george1 (talk) 21:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

• (4) checks out

I am having trouble accessing the journal articles, so I will AGF on those.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.