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Merge proposal
edit- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- The result of this discussion was not to merge Batman (Jace Fox) into this article. Editors stated that the brief mention currently in Batman was enough coverage, that the main Batman article is already lengthy, that Jace Fox likely meets the criteria to have a separate article similar to Batwoman (Kathy Kane), and no convincing rationale to merge was provided in the proposal. Rjjiii (talk) 13:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
I propose merging Batman (Jace Fox) into Batman as he is, in my opinion, not old enough or notable enough to warrant his own article and as most of that article deals with in-universe information. Year2006 (talk) 12:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Opposed: I believe the Batman article is too lengthy. It's better to either keep Batman (Jace Fox) as a separate article or merge it with the list of other versions of Batman, deleting the collection section if you choose to merge it with the latter. Lililolol (talk) 22:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- The other versions section and article deal with non-comic and Elseworlds versions of Batman; Batman (Jace Fox) goes in the "Others" sub-section of the "Characterization" section.
- I also think that content from the Batman (Jace Fox) article doesn't needs to be transferred, as the vast majority of it is in-universe information, and that the sentence that deals with him in this article is sufficient. Year2006 (talk) 05:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Year2006 If it doesn't to be transferred then it should be a redirect instead of merge. Lililolol (talk) 18:48, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Opposed: There's precedent for articles of Batman characters with even less appearances such as the original Batwoman, Kathy Kane, or Bluebird (Harper Row), to keep their individual status. As well as characters like Batman (Terry McGinnis) having their own page. Batman (Jace Fox) is in the primary canon with more appearances to come, thus it would make little sense to relegate him to lesser than those. The Above All Others (talk) 12:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Kathy Kane is a decades-old character and Terry McGinnis was made to be a protagonist of a tv show. The Harper Row article should not have been made when it was made but I do think that its existence is appropriate now considering her usage in Gotham Knights Year2006 (talk) 14:30, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Is it a policy that a character must be old enough to merit its own article like Kathy? And Terry McGinnis was created as the protagonist of a TV show, but does that mean he is notable enough to have his own article? The same question applies to Harper Row. Lililolol (talk) 16:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- This doesn't translate to Wikipedia policy but it is indisputable that those characters are more notable than Jace Fox. In terms of the Wikipedia notability policy, both Terry McGinnis and Kathy Kane clearly qualify to have their own article but Harper Row probably does not. Year2006 (talk) 18:06, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Jace Fox was created in 1979, he is decades-old as well. Kathy Kane has only about 20 more appearances than Jace and an equal amount of adaptations, really. I do not see the difference. The Above All Others (talk) 21:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- I mistook Kathy Kane with Kate Kane but they are fundamentally the same character and the former's article is backed up by a scholarly source. Also, there is a clearly a difference between them; Kathy Kane was created to be a love interest and a deuteragonist while Timothy Fox was created to be a side character. Year2006 (talk) 04:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- They're not the same character, as Kathy Kane is a former love interest of Bruce's, and Kate Kane is his cousin. With characters like Yara Flor and Jo Mullein having pages, it wouldn't make sense to relegate Jace to your proposal. The Above All Others (talk) 16:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- I mistook Kathy Kane with Kate Kane but they are fundamentally the same character and the former's article is backed up by a scholarly source. Also, there is a clearly a difference between them; Kathy Kane was created to be a love interest and a deuteragonist while Timothy Fox was created to be a side character. Year2006 (talk) 04:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
- Jace Fox was created in 1979, he is decades-old as well. Kathy Kane has only about 20 more appearances than Jace and an equal amount of adaptations, really. I do not see the difference. The Above All Others (talk) 21:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- This doesn't translate to Wikipedia policy but it is indisputable that those characters are more notable than Jace Fox. In terms of the Wikipedia notability policy, both Terry McGinnis and Kathy Kane clearly qualify to have their own article but Harper Row probably does not. Year2006 (talk) 18:06, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Is it a policy that a character must be old enough to merit its own article like Kathy? And Terry McGinnis was created as the protagonist of a TV show, but does that mean he is notable enough to have his own article? The same question applies to Harper Row. Lililolol (talk) 16:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Kathy Kane is a decades-old character and Terry McGinnis was made to be a protagonist of a tv show. The Harper Row article should not have been made when it was made but I do think that its existence is appropriate now considering her usage in Gotham Knights Year2006 (talk) 14:30, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Opposed: Like others said, If Terry can have his own page as well as the originally Kathy Kane, there's no reason why Jace Fox's Batman, who at least stars his own solo and is a notably different version of Batman enough, can have his own.JayAaerow (talk)
- Oppose: Your opinion is of poor rationale, not particularly relevant to how Wikipedia handles articles, and you have not provided enough (if any) justification for merging this article about a separate character with this mantle. Trailblazer101 (talk) 06:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Batman's birthday
editBatman's birthday is November 5th 1983 2601:1C1:4202:5270:E3CD:45C1:7EB4:41FD (talk) 23:46, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Splitting proposal
editI propose splitting the "Publication history" section into a separate page titled "Publication history of Batman". This is because an article ideally should be under 8,000 words per WP:TOOBIG, and the current article is around 12,600 words according to the Tool count. Lililolol (talk) 20:14, 1 August 2024 (UTC)