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List of deadly tornadoes

Hey there, I see you're working on a list of deadly tornadoes. Just throwing it out there, but I think it might be more useful setting up various state lists, and adding the deadly events to those lists, like List of Alabama tornadoes. I can help you set up new ones, like List of Mississippi tornadoes. I just wanted to reach out, since it seems like you are an ambitious editor/writer. I've been editing Wikipedia for a while, so I like reaching out to people if I haven't yet interacted. I hope you're figuring out things OK on here! :) ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

You’ve got the wrong person. I merely added one entry to @WeatherWriter’s list because it didn’t include March 2, 2012 (which caused massive damage across parts of Kentucky and killed quite a few people.) So with all due respect, I wouldn’t call that ambitious. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 00:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

The main ”ambitious” thing that I’m working on is a draft list of PDS watches (which you are welcome to help with too, need all the help we can get.) But that list is actually in draft space and is being edited by about a half dozen other people. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 00:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

But any additional help with that list is certainly welcome. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 00:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Because there are only four people (including myself) that are really actively involved in editing that list at the moment. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 00:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink, now I understand why you left me a message on here. I just noticed the talk page entry on WP:WEATHER. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 19:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey there, I'm glad you might be interested in working on the List of West Virginia tornadoes! As you noticed, there aren't that many. When I did List of California tornadoes, I got a little bit overwhelmed by there being over 400 of them, but over time, I eventually got them all. The hardest part is going to be getting good sources for the older events, but there should still be some reports to fill in the gaps. If you start with deadly and strong events (over F/EF2) then it will be even less. And if that's still overwhelming, maybe start at like 2000 and go forward, to at least get the events this century. And then work your way backwards. It takes a lot to get the article to be a featured list, but not so much work that it's impossible. It just requires good sourcing, good writing, and hopefully a few images. Those events in 1944 (the two F4's) of course need a mention in the lead, but see if any other events stand out like that. For instance, deadly events appear to be pretty rare, just one in 2010, one in 1982, and one in 1974, although if you notice, neither of the last two event reports describe the death, so you'll need to find other sources. It's a lot, but hopefully it's not too much to attempt to do! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I always start with the most recent events and go back. (Ex. I start with tornadoes that happened in 2024, 2023, 2022, etc.) West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 00:49, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

That works. I'm assuming you know about NCDC storm events? For older events (Before 1993), you also have storm data, which is a series of monthly reports going back to 1959. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I do know about that. NCDC goes back to 1950 I think. So it doesn’t cover the really old tornadoes, but to be honest, it covers enough. Who’s going to care about an F1 tornado from for example 1909? I’ll tell you who: no one. Unless it was the first one on record; it hit the state capitol building or some other important building/structure; or the tornado did a massive amount of damage and/or killed a bunch of people; unless one of those three things are met, theres a good chance that no one (except maybe someone who’s more than about 85 years old who was hit by one of those twisters) is going to care if a tornado from prior to 1950 is not mentioned or barely mentioned. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 05:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Exactly. And honestly, the most important part is the climatology, and recent history (2000-present). Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 17:07, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Hiya, just checking how you're doing with Draft:List of West Virginia tornadoes? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:37, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I have been taking a bit of a semi-wikibreak (but I am still editing and I haven’t forgotten about that list). As you can see with the edit summary, I did send Citation Bot out to fix my formatting errors. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 01:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Hope all is well then! I understand the need for a break now and then. I'm in the opposite phase now, feeling more invigorated to edit than in a long while. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

I’ve also got that list largely complete back to 2010. Will probably look at adding additional entries either tonight or tomorrow if I can remember to. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 16:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Nice! I've talked about it with other users, and I think as long as each list goes back to 2000 (or contains most of the notable ones), that's good enough for publishing. That's a good first step toward getting every area covered. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Correction, I looked and apparently it’s only complete back to 2015, notable ones with good coverage go back to 2010. I hadn’t looked at it really closely when I posted my initial comment. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 01:49, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

I’ve struck out my initial comment because of the somewhat erroneous statement. Although I still plan to keep filling in the list. I plan to go back to around 2000 for all tornadoes, but continue to list notable events (eg. events with multiple tornadoes, tornadoes rated F2 or higher, or tornadoes occurring in an unusual time of day or year such as in the middle of winter or in the middle of the night) beyond that. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 01:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

It also has a couple of holes in 2024 just because Storm Data doesn’t include anything that occurred less than three months ago, the current cutoff in data is March 31. I’ll see if I can hunt down any public information statements from the Charleston and Pittsburgh NWS offices to fill in the holes. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 01:58, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Re: Beryl

So because I was the first one to publish the draft for Beryl, I didn't want to be the one to close the move discussion, since I knew it was already nearing SNOW territory. Looks like I wasn't needed! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)