Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 July 29

July 29

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Category:Youth theatres

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Youth theatre companies. The Bushranger One ping only 00:09, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Virtually everything here is about groups and organizations and not buildings. So since theater is ambiguous, this would be renamed to make the link to groups more clear and the intention less ambiguous. So a rename to Category:Youth theatre groups, Category:Youth theatre organizations, Category:Youth theatre companies or a similar name would be most appropriate. If there are any buildings included, they can be cleaned up after any move. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:29, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People from McDonald, North Carolina

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The result of the discussion was: merge. The Bushranger One ping only 00:08, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT Town is less than 120 people with two persons in the category ...William 21:27, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People from St. Pauls, North Carolina

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The result of the discussion was: merge. The Bushranger One ping only 00:08, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Only one person in the category ...William 21:25, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Eastern Mountain Coal Fields

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The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 00:07, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category renamed to Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Eastern Mountain Coal Fields. Template:WPUS pending update for this new name. Kumioko (talk) 15:44, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Companies listed on the MICEX-RTS

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The result of the discussion was: rename (C2D). The Bushranger One ping only 00:13, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Rename as per Moscow Exchange, the new name of the exchange. Svgalbertian (talk) 13:23, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Indian rock music groups

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The result of the discussion was: keep main category. It is reasonable to make subcategories and side categories of this, however. The term "Indian rock" as a group name for bangla and raga rock makes sense, but the article is really shaky on the applicability of a clear genre here. Category:Raga rock music groups would make a fine category, though.--Mike Selinker (talk) 06:15, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Split. Indian rock being a legitimate rock music genre, the current category commingles groups playing this style of rock with rock groups from India. I'm not able to suggest the right name for the category for bands playing Indian rock though, so some clever suggestions are needed, __meco (talk) 10:18, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Jammu and Kashmir freedom struggle

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Kashmir separatist movement. The Bushranger One ping only 00:06, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The category covers the Kashmir separatist movement, which includes India's Jammu and Kashmir, Pakistan's Azad Kashmir, and China's Aksai Chin. The current title misleads the scope. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 10:12, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Aren't both these names a bit POV? Couldn't we come up with something more neutral? __meco (talk) 10:20, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Meco, both of these have a POV and are against current community consensus. please see my comment below.--DBigXray 20:32, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to Category:Kashmir independence movement in the article on Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front it is stated that this organization seeks the independence of Kashmir. Freedom seems much to for a particular point of view, while independence makes it clear what these groups want. The current name is also difficult because some of the rhetoric of those who favor all Kashmir being part of Pakistan would suggest that such a result would equal the freedom of Kashmir. This category is meant to group those who advocate for the indepedence of Kashmir, so it should say that.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:50, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to "Kashmir independence movement" per John. By the way, the separatist movement is irrelevant to Aksai Chin because there is no permanent civilian population there, among other reasons. Shrigley (talk) 01:52, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to Category:Kashmir seperatist movement per current community consensus. Because this is the most neutral and correct term at the moment. Kashmir gained Independence in 1947 and it is already independent. The current movement is seperate these parts controlled by Pakistan, India and China to into a new territory. A Template on the topic is also renamed as Template:Kashmir separatist movement after several lengthy debates on AfDs. As Kashmir Conflict is a controversial topic with different sides being sensitive to the words, I feel it is best to follow the community consensus --DBigXray 20:30, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to "Kashmir seperatist movement" per DBigXray's rationale. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 21:20, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I can live with the seperatist name. I would argue indepepdence/freedom are too loaded of terms. The claim "Kashmir gained independence in 1947" just stikes me as coming from the mindset that says Mao was no imperialist despite what he did to Tibet, and the relationship of China and Pol Pot's regime in Cambodia, but that is another story. Seperatist works though.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:47, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
that was just a fact from pages of history, placed here to help contributors with a context, Not sure how to tweak those words of this fact that were presented in the exact same way in history books around the world. As for the category name Category:Kashmir seperatist movement is the most neutral name I can think of, plus it has community consensus. --DBigXray 07:56, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Children of Presbyterian clergy

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The result of the discussion was: delete. The Bushranger One ping only 00:04, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Category:Children of Presbyterian clergy
  • Nominator's rationale this seems both not defining and overly broad in application. In fairness, there are 40+ other WP categories with "children of...", but the parents in those categories are generally more restrictive groups (e.g., monarchs of thus-and-such country). I haven't surveyed extensively, but I wonder how many leads of the biographical articles included in this category mention that they were a child of Presbyterian clergy. Jbening (talk) 03:09, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete – per similar deletions such as cat:Children of Protestant Ministers and cat:Preacher's kids. Oculi (talk) 12:32, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Hard to see how this will be a notability-defining attribute of, well, almost anybody. Even if "child of clergy" is somehow notably defining, will the Presbyterian-ness of it be the defining quality? --Lquilter (talk) 15:26, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or Rename - I created this category and was not aware of the apparent prior controversies surrounding similar categories. I based my research for this category, in part, on other Wikipedia articles such as manse (which in turn discusses the phrase "sons of the manse" and List of children of clergy, so I think there is some basis in Wikipedia for this category. In researching the category, I found that almost every individual article that I linked to did, indeed, mention the Presbyterian aspect of the subject's background, so, again, I don't think this category is as trivial as the critics seem to believe. I don't have the time or engergy to engage in a prolonged debate on this category and will accept whatever decision is made by the powers that be. One option is to create a new article based on the category, since this seemed to work for the above-mentioned precedents.~~Bismarckboy~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bismarckboy (talkcontribs) 23:38, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for weighing in on your creation, Bismarckboy. It's not that I think these are "trivial" attributes; it's that they are not "notability-defining". Categorization is a different and arguably higher threshold than simply being noted in the article: It's a question of whether viewers to the encyclopedia will be expecting this category, and will they expect to find these articles in it? "Children of clergy", generically, I can see an argument for; certainly, there's a certain amount of lore and study around the cultural attributes of these folk, like "military brats". But breaking it down by type of clergy seems to not capture the (arguably) defining quality. Now, for their own religious orientation, "Presbyterian" is certainly a reasonable category. But defining them by their parents' religion seems a bit non-defining. --Lquilter (talk) 02:01, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete we do not categorize people by most parent occupations. Do we have Category:Children of Anglican clergy, Category:Children of lawyers, Category:Children of doctors or Category:Children of rabbis? I see no reason to have this category. Category:Children of Anglican bishops might be justifiable, but I doubt it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:52, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Indian independence activists from West Bengal

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Indian independence activists from Bengal. The Bushranger One ping only 00:04, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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