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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 15 February 2023 [1].

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1920–21 Gillingham F.C. season

Nominator(s): ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:32, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

For my 20th nomination of a season in the history of my beloved Gillingham F.C. I've gone for the one that started in '20. Seemed apt :-) Comments as ever will be most gratefully received and swiftly acted upon! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:32, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Support from Gog the Mild

Recusing to review.

• "he accepted another job before the season had started." Suggest deleting "had".
• " Gillingham's results in their first season". Maybe "in" → 'during'?
• Infobox: the MoS, footnote a, says "Wikipedia uses sentence case for ... entries in infoboxes ...". So maybe an A for "approx"?
• " had played in the Southern League since the competition's formation". Is a league a competition?
  • Yes, that's a standard usage. We have an article called List of association football competitions, which includes all major leagues -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:51, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• "Annual General Meeting". Why the upper case initials?
• "AGM". Should be in brackets after the first mention of the full term.
• '  "pro tem" '. Why the quote marks? Why the italics? Why the, mostly, US English phrase. Maybe just 'temporarily'?
• "per week and was assisted by Jim Kennedy as trainer." Suggest "and" → 'who'.
  • I don't believe that "He was replaced by John McMillan, who was paid a wage of £7 per week who was assisted by Jim Kennedy as trainer." would be grammatically correct..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:51, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

More to follow. Gog the Mild (talk) 23:06, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: - thanks. All the above addressed other than where noted -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:51, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

• "signed a large number of new players". Is the actual number known?
• "largest recorded attendance of the entire season". Is "entire" necessary?
  • That's to make it clear that it was not merely the largest of the season up to that point -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:12, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
• "the Dispatch's reporter noting"; "the correspondent for the Daily Telegraph stated". Could the tense be standardised?
• "both Branfield and Robertson were missing from the team for the only time during the season." The only time they were both missing?
• " he was dropped again. Gillingham again played". Perhaps avoid "again" twice in three words?

Gog the Mild (talk) 14:04, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: - thanks. All the above addressed other than where noted -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:12, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Source and citation review by Dugan Murphy: Pass

Will do. Dugan Murphy (talk) 01:32, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

• The History of English Football Clubs on WorldCat lists only one author. Is WorldCat wrong or your source listing?
  • Not 100% sure what WorldCat is but I am literally looking at my copy of the book at the moment and on the front cover it says "Colin Mitchell with Jon Reeves and Daniel Tyler" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:43, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• All the books but Elligate and Soar are missing publisher locations. Can you add those?
  • Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:56, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• I can't find Home of the Shouting Men on WorldCat, but I found it on a couple commercial websites like Amazon and ABEbooks. That leaves me a little suspicious of its reliability. What tells you it is a reliable source?
  • It is the club's official centenary history book, published by the club itself. It is only used to cite the names of the club chairman and trainer at the time, and I have no reason to believe that an official club publication would be unreliable on or wrong about this -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:43, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• ""Saints" Secure a Point" should be "'Saints' Secure a Point", I believe
  • Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:43, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Same for ""Saints" Easy Win"
  • Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:43, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
• Per MOS:CT, capitalize titles for citations 13, 16, 17, 20, 22, 26, 28, 36, and 37
  • Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:56, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Except for the issues above, the sources and citations are satisfactorily and consistently formatted. Except for the question I have about one of the books, the sources all seem to be reliable. Dugan Murphy (talk) 02:14, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

@Dugan Murphy: - many thanks for your review, all done! :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:56, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

I agree with your assessment of Homes of the Shouting Men and am very willing to believe you regarding the authorship of The History of English Football Clubs. Thank you for addressing all my comments. Dugan Murphy (talk) 14:09, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

@Dugan Murphy: - no problem! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:16, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Comments Support from Eem dik doun in toene

• "but in 1920 ... League Division One" ==> can be shortened to "but in 1920 the Football League added a Third Division to its existing set-up by absorbing the entire Southern League Division One"
• "12,000 for games against" ==> maybe mention these were league games?
• "Division One in the 1919–20 season" ==> the SFL 1919–20 season has its own page: 1919–20 Southern Football League
• "the 1921–22 season, and it was not until the 1925–26 season" ==> maybe you can use the more specific 1921–22 Football League and 1925–26 Football League pages?
• Great work! Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 12:47, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
  • @Eem dik doun in toene: thanks - done! :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:03, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Image review

• Suggest scaling up the cartoon. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:40, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
  • @Nikkimaria: - I have done so. Let me know if you think I need to scale it up even more -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:52, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

SC

• Putting down a marker. - SchroCat (talk) 22:50, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

IB & lead

• E.N. Crawley should be E. N. Crawley with a space (I've been roundly berated about that before)
• "Sixth Qualifying Round": Should (I think) be "Sixth qualifying round"
  • I disagree. Names of rounds are not proper nouns - see eg the bold text below the photo here -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:38, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
    • I think we may be talking slightly at cross purposes here as we agree that it's not a proper noun, which to me means it should be lower case. Perhaps I should have clarified: in the infobox you have "FA Cup Sixth Qualifying Round", which to my mind is wrong and should be "FA Cup Sixth qualifying round". In the lead and the body you have "in the sixth qualifying round", which I think correct. - SchroCat (talk) 12:25, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
      • Gotcha - done! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:06, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
• "a Third Division": it should either be "a third division" or (better) "the Third Division"
• "Gillingham's results during their first season in the Football League were poor": you've already said it was their first season in the league, so "Gillingham's results during their first season in the Football League were poor"
• "nine goals in Third Division matches": "nine goals in league matches"?

Pre-season

• "en masse" should be italicised
• "leaving Gillingham without ever taking charge of a match": not just about Brown, but were their no friendly or pre-season games back then? (I'm asking from a position of complete ignorance on 1920s football!)
  • He left the club before pre-season started -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:38, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
    • Ah - thanks for the info. - SchroCat (talk) 12:26, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
• "per week and was assisted": probably best as "per week, and who was assisted"
• "white striped" should be hyphenated

August–December

• "in the Third Division league table": I think we can get away with just "in the league table"
• 'Millwall were "altogether too good"': aside from the fact it's unusual to see Millwall being too good for anything, do we ned this as a quote? It can be easily reframed as "the Dispatch's reporter noted that Millwall were considerably better than Gillingham"
• "of the entire season": just "of the season" will suffice
• "first match of November, and a 4–1 defeat at home": I'd consider a full stop at November – you've talked about not scoring in the first part of the sentence and then have a scoreline where they did score, so I had to re-read to make sure I got it right
• "five consecutive Third Division defeats": "five consecutive league defeats"?

Done to the end of August–December: more to come later. I hope these help. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 11:26, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

@SchroCat: thanks - all addressed other than as noted above -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:38, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

January–April

• There are three paras, each beginning "Gillingham" an in each paragraph, "Gillingham" is used five times. I know it's sometimes difficult to retain clarity in a passage, particularly when you're using other club names frequently, but I feel like I've been sand-bagged by the word "Gillingham" here!
• "fourth in the last six games": "fourth in the previous six games"

That's my lot – all rather minor little tweaks. An enjoyable read. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 16:08, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

• • @SchroCat: - done (as best I could on point 1 :-)). Thanks for your review and your kind words -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:19, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
    • My pleasure - and it's good enough to support now. As an aside, the last game I watched last year was Sutton beating Gillingham. It seems like the current team are trying to emulate their 1920 predecessors! Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 16:29, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
      • Tell me about it......results have picked up recently (three wins and a draw in the last four games) but there's a long way to go yet..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:49, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Co-ordinator query

@FAC coordinators: - with this nomination seemingly close to making it over the line, may I launch a new one....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:02, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Go for liftoff...! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 17:41, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

• Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 17:22, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

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