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Consider my article

My article Iodine(III) sulfate has been proposed for deletion by Graeme Bartlett.But it was contested by another editor. You can consider my article and give an opinion to me.Thank you very much. Junurita (talk) 04:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Well @Graeme Bartlett, proposed deletion, stating that the sources provided don't appear to actually mention the substance being discussed. I noticed that Kasumov 1997 does mention I₂(SO₄)₃ in passing but calls it by a different name, Iodine Sulfate. On the other hand Bauer 2021 doesn't mention Sulfates or SO₄ at all. If you use inline citations, tying specific claims to specific sources - then it would be clearer why you think those sources are relevant.

Per the general notability guidlines there should be at least one source that discusses the topic in depth (more than just one passing mention). -- D'n'B-t -- 05:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I checked the sources, and they are about different substances, including organic derivatives. The Kasumov reference has the substance mentioned with one line in a table 1, but says nothing about it in the text. Where do you get the facts from: 1 that it is yellow; 2 that it darkens in air; 3 that it is decomposed by water; 4 the methods to form it ? If there are writings supporting these statements please let us know what they are. I check out all the new chemical articles to see if the chemical is real, and sometimes there are substances that are not real that get articles written. Since the proposed deletion was contested, I will have to decide whether WP:AFD is the way to go. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 05:37, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

@Junurita: As an aside to the comments above, you would do well to cite your sources inline; Easy referencing for beginners shows you how. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:18, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

just wrote an article about that here as well. I think you wrote this because you have a feeling of injustice... you are not alone. Is there a high authority here? you name the person that deleted your points but is there like a committee where one for help? or only the teahouse here? I love the name of teahouse here! :-) The Art Collector (talk) 15:50, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, The Art Collector, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure how your comment relates to Junurita's post, but I will attempt to answer you. No, there is no "high authority" or "committee", unless major issues arise about an editor's behaviour (see WP:ANI for that).

Disagreements between editors about content are normal in editing Wikipedia, and are generally handled by consensus, according to BRD, and if necessary by dispute resolution.

I realise that some people may feel resentful about their work not being accepted. Sometimes this is a matter of them plunging in and doing significant work without having first spent time learning how Wikipedia works. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.

Sometimes this suggests that their primary intention is not about the common goal of creating and maintaining a wonderful shared source of knowledge, but about a personal goal, so they see a disagreement or revert as an attack on themselves, rather than a communal attempt to improve the encyclopaedia. ColinFine (talk) 16:42, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

thank you for the time for your reply. I see what you mean. Yes I was not planning to write an article, at least not now. I am already in this stressful situation only by making improvements to existing articles. flying cars is not my field and I use the metaverse that is why I know what I am talking about. Finding sources and so is fine, I understand now that I cannot quote a part of an article and mention the article as reference. I do learn. And only by practice one can learn. Although when I make several improvements and all is simply deleted shows that whoever deleted it is not reading. The part where in 1994 Queen Elizabeth II is visiting a place and this becomes Virtual Tour should either be checked by the reference I found or simply be deleted. So whoever delete my improvements should spend time in improving themselves or deleting strange information that is in an article.

I respect other people s work so I will not dare to delete things. It is not my place. So I try to find the reference, which I managed after some effort and then even that is deleted. You see what I mean?

And now I cannot even go back to the article to edit it well. Should not everyone's goal here to make improvements? The Art Collector (talk) 17:12, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I dont know what you say. Junurita (talk) 03:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Veering drastically back on topic @Graeme Bartlett, based on this reply I don't think inline citations to back up the claims in that article are coming any time soon - so an AfD sounds the right course of action. But additionally I am confused as to what exactly is going on here. Junurita has created another article with no inline citations. Why is that? Did the claims in that article come from the same place as the claims in the first one? Could Junurita enlighten us? -- D'n'B-t -- 18:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I will add that just because something is on Esperanto Wikipedia, does not mean it is suitable for English Wikipedia. Draft:Nitrosyl hexafluoroantimonate writes about a chemical that does actually exist. So Junurita could put effort into this. Also diiodosyl sulfate is real, and could do with more inline footnote citations. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for bother you . I has added inline citration into this article.Thanks for remind. Junurita (talk) 00:06, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

The article is looking better now with new inline citations. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Add comic based on a Wikipedia page

I am creating comics (using text and image AI) on various wikipedia topics, and each comic is based on the wikipedia page content. I believe the comics provide value for someone to learn about a dense or complex or uninteresting (to the person) topic and can motivate them to further learn about the topic. Self learners, students, parents, teachers and others could find great value in this.

I wanted to know where best I can direct people viewing a wikipedia page to the corresponding comic.

Relevant details:

I have a mix of free and paid topics, and am not sure about the policies around commercial content. As of current thinking, I am open to making more comics free if commercial links are frowned upon. I truly believe this enhances the experience of visitors to a wikipedia page.

I am using as a source the content of the wikipedia page, and available AI tools for text and image generation

I am not directly using any other images than what the AI image generators create. I do take efforts to avoid any images in the comic that violate any known problematic aspect: legal, social, ethical, policy, copyright, trademark, etc. However, I have no control or knowledge of whether each image created by the AI generator violates any such facet. I will fix or remove any serious issues in a comic that are reported.

The text in the comics is generated entirely based on the corresponding wikipedia page content. AI text and chat models are much better than AI image models. The text does seem accurate across the comics based on my (often limited) knowledge of each topic but there may be (extremely) rare discrepancies there as well. Again, I will fix or remove any serious issues that are reported.

There are sometimes multiple comics based on the same topic that are variants on the same topic.

The comics are currently very simple in format and layout, but will get richer over time.

I am creating more comics on other topics, and will add them over time.

Given all this, I am trying to decide what is the best place to enable access to these comics from corresponding wikipedia pages. Some options I considered, based on studying wikipedia docs and guidelines:

1. External links on corresponding page to the comic

2. A wikiproject - though most of the existing ones seem to be based on a single topic

3. A new section that provides link to other media or specifically comics

If you wish to review the kinds of comics, here are links to some (currently) free comics to look at:

Aurora based on Aurora

Wright brothers based on Wright brothers

Sydney Opera House based on Sydney Opera House

Mathematics based on Mathematics

Renewable Energy based on Renewable energy

Please suggest options to connect wikipedia to these kinds of comics.

Thanks! Rcanand (talk) 16:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Rcanand, and welcome to the Teahouse. Firstly, it's great that you are using Wikipedia content in a different way than we're used to. You are entitled to do that under our Creative Commons Commercial Licence. However, be aware that you might need to credit Wikipedia if you are directly using the text. You can find out more about this at WP:Reusing Wikipedia content, and I think you should definitely include a link back to the relevant Wikipedia articles for people to get further information. Ah, OK, so I've just downloaded your Aurora comic and can see you've already attributed content to Wikipedia - so thank you for that. It looks quite fun and interesting, targeting a young audience with bright AI images and short, punchy text, so I do wish you luck with this.

Unfortunately, regardinging linking to you comic from Wikipedia pages, I'm afraid that is not possible. If we were to encourage that, we would end up with outwards links to innumerable forms of the same article, non of which would be likely to add anything to the encyclopaedic nature of that article, and would simply be a form of free promotion for others. So I would not want to see any links in articles, though I do wonder whether if it takes off, there might be potential for a short article about them in our internal newsletter, the Signpost. It will contain a link to the editors, though I would wait until you can provide some stats and information about interest generated via the number of downloads, etc., once you get going and it has taken off.

It certainly sounds like a fun project, and I wish you well with it, though I'm sorry we can't help you further by promoting it here. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:21, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for responding and checking out the comics, Nick!

This was very useful and informative, thanks! Also thanks for your kind words about the project.

Yes, I took quite a lot of effort to ensure that the comics follow Wikipedia's reuse policy, and have added links, released under CC license, etc.

I understand your point about not wanting different forms of the same article. However, my content is adding completely new content in the form of AI generated images to expand on the original article. I consider this an enrichment of the content and not just another form of the same content. Every comic adds several new images that explain/expand/illustrate the existing wikipedia content in various ways.

You mentioned concerns about promoting this content. I do want to promote this content, but primarily because I think it adds value in the form of new content and a richer experience of the same content for a significant class of users.

You also expressed concerns around the commercial aspect of my current comic links. If it helps, I am open to create a completely free direct link to the comics (say a google drive copy of the comics) and link to those from here.

I am interested in promoting my work, but my primary interest in linking to them from wikipedia is to give wikipedia users access to the amazing content that exists in the comics, and is not already in the wikipedia page.

Warm regards,

Anand Rcanand (talk) 15:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Rcanand. You are free to reuse (most) Wikipedia content, for any purpose (including commercial) as long as you follow the rules - see reusing Wikipedia content.

However, I think it is unlikely that the Wikipedia community would accept you putting links to your work in Wikipedia artcles, however valuable your work might be. I think before you try that, you should open a general discussion at one of the sections of the Village pump, to get community consensus (I'm not sure which section would be best). ColinFine (talk) 18:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Colin.

I did look at the Village pump, and wasn't sure where best to post there. I started here, as somewhere it said this is a good starting point. I will look further in the Village pump and post this in the best place I can find. Thank you! Rcanand (talk) 16:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

These might be good to link from the Simple English Wikipedia. I really don't see how they'd be appropriate here.

You need to fix that annoying auto-advance that doesn't allow anyone to view certain frames for more than a fraction of a second. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:48, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Anachronist!

I checked out Simple English Wikipedia - it seems quite relevant for this. Will dig further/post there to get their take.

Re auto-advance - I am sorry about that. I assume you are referring to the preview images on top of a specific comic page, is that correct? What device are you on (mobile/tablet/desktop)? I don't see an auto-advance on a desktop browser or on mobile.

Thanks,

Anand Rcanand (talk) 16:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm using a Windows 11 laptop with a Chrome browser. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I just checked with a Windows 11 laptop and Chrome browser - I didn't see any auto-advance behavior either on the landing page or on any product page. I am happy to debug if I can get repro steps. Thanks! Rcanand (talk) 22:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

I go to https://rcanand.gumroad.com/l/Aurora__2 and wait for the title slide to appear. I click on the right arrow on the right edge. It advances quickly over slides 2 and 3 and stops on slide 4, not letting me view 2 and 3. If I click the left arrow to back up, it backs up briefly and then scrolls forward to slide 4 again. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I just saw this behavior - I agree, it is super annoying! Will give feedback to the gumroad platform team to fix this. Rcanand (talk) 14:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Contributing to an extended protection article

Hi there,

As a part of a university assignment for medical anthropology, I am required to contribute towards a Wikipedia page by adding to a topic relevant to my field. The topic I am working on is Morgellons, a page that is under extended protection. Unfortunately, I have only just signed up to Wikipedia, so I haven't been registered for 30 days or performed 500 edits. Consequently, editing my chosen topic seems nearly impossible at this point. The addition I want to make meets Wikipedia's policies on writing (it is neutral, extremely well cited, etc.), and I would be making it clear that it is a perspective from my specific field.

Is there any way this can be achieved? Are there any alternatives (i.e creating a new sub-page related to Morgellons)?

Any advice or assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Horan8199 Horan8199 (talk) 22:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Horan8199, and welcome to the Teahouse.

It's unfortunate that the article has extended protection - presumably because of the relative contentiousness of the topic. Whilst you will not be able to edit the article directly yourself, we do have a process of making an EDITREQUEST on the article's talk page. Please read that link to understand the process, and the need to offer a clear, well written and well-cited request for addition. I believe you would use the Template:Edit extended-protected, which contains documentation on its use.

You might also wish to add a brief description about yourself to your userpage which explains you are a student on course X at at Y university, aiming to contribute under an assignment to Z article(s).

The only other alternative I could suggest - and it's one I wish more university staff would suggest - is the ability to create a 'dummy article' in your own sandbox which your academic staff could judge directly. OK, it wouldn't ever replace the existing article, but it would be all your own work from start to finish - and thus a great learning opportunity. And parts of it might also be suitable to add to the existing article - perhaps towards the end of your coursework here, or via an edit request as mentioned above. I would suggest discussing that approach with your course supervisor if you think it might help. You are permitted to make any number of sandbox pages (so long as they relate to the purpose of Wikipedia!). So, User:Horan8199/sandbox could be the one you might wish to start with. (the hyperlink is red because the page doesn't exist yet, but will turn blue once you start editing and 'creating' that page). You would, in effect, be following the processes outlined at Your First Article and Articles for Creation, albeit without ever completing the processes of submitting a draft into the mainspace part of Wikipedia because a page on that topic already exists.

Finally, it might be worth mentioning that course leaders and tutors are able to create a way of monitoring the work of all their students' contributions by enrolling them at https://dashboard.wikiedu.org/ It's not essential, but it's a good way for tutors to support student work. If you have any further difficulties, do feel free to ask further questions here. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:38, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help, @Nick Moyes!

That is all clear, and should help me progress. I will do my best with the information you have provided and work from there.

Your time is greatly appreciated, and thank you once again.

All the best! Horan8199 (talk) 23:42, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

@Horan8199, can you let us know a bit more about this assignment? What level/year is it, and what country are you in? I assume you won't be the only student experiencing this problem, so I'd like to give a heads up to the folks at WP:EDUN. Depending on what school you're at, we might be able to offer further assistance to your teacher. -- asilvering (talk) 00:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi there, @Asilvering.

I can't believe the amount of assistance I am receiving! Thank you very much.

I am in Australia, attending Deakin University (Victoria), this is a level 2 anthropology unit (medical anthropology). The assignment topic is self selected. I have chosen Morgellons as my topic. It is a group project, and virtually all the work is done (too late to change now, unfortunately!). The prompt was to find a contested topic and edit / contribute to a Wikipedia page from an anthropological perspective whilst adhering to the core content policies of the platform. Essentially, we are not trying to contest or change anything, we are simply required to contribute to the discussion from a viewpoint which is not always present. If I had understood editing factors like extended protection I may have chosen differently, but I am here now.

Thank you for your time and offer of assistance. I appreciate it greatly. Horan8199 (talk) 00:19, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks very much! And honestly, it's probably better that you chose something that was extended-protected. That means your edit will have to be checked by an experienced wikipedia editor, so you don't need to worry about a passing patroller coming down on your head like a ton of bricks for doing something suspicious in a contentious topic area. If you can, warn your fellow students about WP:CTOP if your instructor hasn't already. I understand you to mean "contested topic" in the normal use of those words, but if any of you edit in "contested topics" by the Wikipedian understanding of those words, you can expect to get some alarming talk page warnings. It will all work out in the end! Just keep in mind that when a bunch of people start editing together on something contentious, wikipedia's "immune system" kicks into overdrive. -- asilvering (talk) 00:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Horan8199 Vis-a-vis Morgellons, I recommend you review the archived past proposals for changing the article and/or adding content. There is a LONG history of heated discussions. Much resolves around whether proposed references meet the WP:MEDRS standards. Also, you wrote "...we are simply required to contribute to the discussion from a viewpoint which is not always present." Discusions are what takes place at the Talk pages of articles, not the article proper. David notMD (talk) 02:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, @David notMD.

Thanks for your help. I have gone through the history and found nothing that proposes anything similar to the work I have done (as far as I could see). I have made all efforts to be neutral and not take a 'side', as much of the history demonstrates.

Yes, I did write 'discussion'. I should have been clearer and said 'contribute a valid and supported viewpoint to the article'.

Thanks again! Horan8199 (talk) 02:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Horan8199 In that case, there's absolutely nothing stopping you discussing improvements (either with or without suggested text alternatives) on the article's talk page. That isn't protected in the same way as the article is. Just keep the talk focussed on improving the article, stay polite and reasoned, and avoid wandering off into other off-topic areas, and you should be fine.

In fact, any supervisor ought to be delighted to see a student discussing issues with other editors and backing up those discussions with citations in the talk page. (You can use Template:Reflist-talk at the bottom of any talk page post in which you insert citations. This is really helpful as it keeps the reference list purely within that single topic thread, rather than make all the references simply appear at the very bottom of the talk page, irrespective of what other topics are subsequently added.

I would add that it would also be 100% OK should you simply decide to use your own sandbox for discussing the merits and weaknesses of the article, and for suggesting alternative layout or content. Once you've done that, and your course tutor has reviewed it, you might even find that a simple link to it and a few notes on the talk page could be of use to other editors interested in the article long after you've moved on to other things. Whatever you do - we're always here to help and support keen editors, and we wish you and your colleagues all the best. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:58, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Horan8199 Perhaps for extra credit you and your classmates could improve the Medical anthropology article. David notMD (talk) 09:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

That is an excellent idea. Thanks, @David notMD!

Aside from the research and writing, learning to create the contribution according to relevant guidelines is the most important feature of the project. It is not absolutely critical that the contribution appears on the Morgellons page, specifically (and it is not our intention to create friction in a contentious area). Are you suggesting that our work could contribute to the 'case study' section in the Medical Anthropology section, or perhaps to the section discussion Culture-bound syndrome?

The continued advice from people has been incredible. I never expected this much help. Horan8199 (talk) 09:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

I am a biochemist with a focus on nutritional biochemistry, by training and profession (now retired), so cannot offer specific advice as to improving the MA article other than there is a lot of content without references that either needs references and/or needs to be trimmed. I advise against the idea of 'case studies', as that could proliferate indefinitely. David notMD (talk) 10:25, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Horan8199, I'm from Wikimedia Australia and would be happy to help. Feel free to use the Contact email on our Wikimedia Australia website. We have been working with some Australian Universities, but not Deakin, so it would be great to find out more. BindiS (talk) 10:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @BindiS!

I will be in touch asap. I appreciate the offer of help. Horan8199 (talk) 20:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Infobox

How can I insert an infobox to my sandbox article? I mean it wasn't published for review yet. AgroLover (talk) 19:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@AgroLover Welcome to the Teahouse. You can add an infobox to a draft article if you wish. In the case of Draft:Jack Rechcigl, you could use either Template:Infobox academic or Template:Infobox person. If you follow these links you'll see documentation on their use.

Now, I have to alert you to the fact that you appear to have stolen a copyright picture of this person and uploaded to Wikimedia Commons as if it were your own. I will shortly be flagging it for deletion, as we can we can only accept images uploaded by the copyright holder, or with the explicitly-stated permission of that copyright holder. I don't believe that the person who took this image was you, is it? Nick Moyes (talk) 20:43, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Nick, thanks for your response and help. I have another picture I'll use. AgroLover (talk) 13:13, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

A Few Good Men .. The Actual Participants

40 yrs ago myself and 9 other young Marines in Guantanamo Bay,Cuba made a snap decision to please our commanding officer and while attempting to haze a fellow nonconforming Marine to teach him a lesson things went terribly bad. This decision would change our lives forever. One of our Naval defense lawyers,Debora Sorkin had a brother film school seeking inspiration for a story,his name is Aaron Sorkin. This story served as the base for the hit Broadway play and blockbuster movie "A Few Good Men". I have in my possession official Naval courtroom transcripts and many other documents including video recordings that can factually attest to the actual events. I also have lawsuit documents Vs. Sony Pics, Sorkin, etc. accusing the likeness and plagiarism included in the film. I was hoping someone out there in the Wikipedia community would be interested in helping me get these facts recorded into history. I think once you know the whole story it will be much more interesting than I can elaborate. Thanks for your consideration, Christopher L. Valdez Gitmoguy1 (talk) 03:10, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Both the article about the play A Few Good Men (play) and the movie A Few Good Men include descriptions of the actual event and outcomes and lawsuits. My understanding is that non-public information such as you describe (courtroom transcripts, video, lawsuit documents) cannot be used as references. Is what you want to add so different from what is in the articles? David notMD (talk) 03:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Are courtroom transcripts non-public information? Gitmoguy1 (talk) 01:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Mr. Valdez, thank you for the inquiry. (I am not a moderator, just an editor.) As someone who deeply cares about archiving historical information that changes contexts, I urge you to upload the aforementioned "official Naval courtroom transcripts and many other documents including video recordings that can factually attest to the actual events" to archive.org. After that, they are able to be cited by Wikipedians. You can also post in the Talk pages of the play and movie with links to your documents. I think this would be the most historically accurate way to ensure that your information is added. I personally have cited documents from archive.org, especially searchable 19th century PDFs, in my own research articles. Hope this is helpful. Evedawn99 (talk) 23:24, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your response and the helpful information. I will follow your advice and hopefully be able to accomplish the task. I’ll have to become much more adept with my computer skills but I am determined and will stick with it until the information is available to all.

Thank you again,

Chris Gitmoguy1 (talk) 23:46, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

That is wonderful to hear and thank you! I hope your efforts will improve coverage and factual accuracy.

For your convenience, here is a direct link to uploading on Archive.org.

Your determination to sharing the truth is commendable, and I personally will be wishing you all the best with your endeavor. Evedawn99 (talk) 02:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Making a portal

Hi folks! I would love to make a new portal (for Portal:Peace) but I want to make sure I do so correctly as per WP:MOS.

I feel that a Peace portal is missing because it would connect such varied topics as conflict resolution, interfaith religions, environmental activism, speaking truth to power, world anthems, and other previously disconnected topics. I can think of 10-15 articles and categories off the top of my head that would fit it. No similar portal exists; only a category.

How would I achieve consensus about portal creation? Or can I just WP:BEBOLD and go for it?

If I just go for it, it would be too much to do in one session; so, would it be better to build it in chunks in draftspace, or publish it with an 'under construction' tag? (WP:PORTAL doesn't contain the answers.) Thank you all, Evedawn99 (talk) 20:59, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps, Evedawn99, ask this question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals. -- Hoary (talk) 03:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Hoary! As per your advice, I've asked the question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals. Evedawn99 (talk) 01:59, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

My page declined due to lack of reliable sources

I created a page about an ancestor of mine who was quite well known yet somehow didn’t have a Wikipedia page and it was declined due to lack of reliable sources but I’m not being told precisely what. Please help Finlay73 (talk) 21:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

You've been told "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources." Did you click on that link and read up on the meaning of "reliable sources"? -- Hoary (talk) 22:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Finlay73: Welcome to the Teahouse! In addition to Hoary's comment above, I think a big thing to focus on here is that you absolutely cannot include parts [which] are told to [you] directly from his sons as you described on your talk page. A core principle of Wikipedia is its verifiability, and we only care what reliable published sources say about a subject. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 22:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Finlay73. It may be helpful to read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Help:Referencing for beginners. Reliable references don’t have to be online. Are there newspaper or magazine articles on Masutaro Otani? Does the British Judo Council have information on him? Keep looking for good references for everything that is in your draft. Best wishes on your Wikipedia work. Karenthewriter (talk) 23:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

@Finlay73 Our article on the British Judo Council is very short and poorly sourced. It does not even allow a reader to verify that Otani was its president, far less that (as your draft says) that Otani was one of the primary pioneers of judo in the United Kingdom. So the issue is not just the reliability of the sources but the complete lack of them. Like many new editors, you have been writing your draft backwards and should read that linked essay to see why that won't work. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:43, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Karen, thank you for your kind reply. Yes, there are newspaper and magazine articles i have copies of them personally and am not sure how to upload them as evidence as i am still learning about Wikipedia. I will continue to try find out on my own but if you could please redirect me to anywhere explaining how so, i would greatly appreciate it! Many thanks! Finlay73 (talk) 22:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Finlay73, @Karenthewriter already linked you referencing for beginners.

You need not upload the sources; you simply need to cite it. The citation should have as much info as possible, at an absolute minimum the following:

• who wrote the article
• when it was published
• the title of the article
• the magazine or newspaper it was published in
• any other information that would help a reader locate the source in a library, such as page number(s), the language of the article text (English, Japanese, etc), the issue or volume number, URL, and the date you accessed or retrieved the URL

Hope that helps, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 22:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. I have scoured the internet now for citations and added 16. I hope this is satisfactory but if not, please tell me what else I need to do. Regards Finlay73 (talk) 23:05, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Finlay73 The draft is looking much better now. You have quoted the book by Rogers several times and should use a "named reference" for that (see WP:NAMED for instructions), perhaps with the template {{rp}} so you can mention the pages you are citing, if these differ each time that book is the source. I've moved the external links to go after the references, as advised in our manual-of-style (see WP:MOS) and you need to describe what they are so they are not just "naked" URL. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello Finlay73. You did a great job of finding addition reference sources. Your second reference, from the Liverpool Echo, has an error, as it states “check date values.” I didn’t take the time to figure out what the problem is, but It may be something easy to remedy. Since you used the Dave Rogers’ book reference numerous times I reformatted the citations so it is only listed once in References, but shows its been cited 4 times. That’s something I learned to do years after starting to edit Wikipedia, so not something a beginner needs to know, but I feel it helps out. Also, when you use the same source for 2 consecutive sentences I feel you only need to cite the source after the 2nd sentence, so I combined the Rogers’ book source twice when used in side-by-side sentences. Others may disagree, so I hope I didn’t overstep when editing your draft.

I’m not a reviewer, and am no expert on Judo, so I can’t say if your draft should be accepted, but I’m pleased with your revisions. Best wishes. Karenthewriter (talk) 17:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Thankyou again for your help! As the previous notes have told me to do, I have added page numbers for the citing sources so it should easily be found. I think I have done as instructed but if I missed anything please tell me and I will try to fix! Finlay73 (talk) 17:49, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Error. I’m not sure how but I can’t seem to see the ‘biography’ section which included many citings. Because it’s gone for some reason it says “citing is not used in the content” Finlay73 (talk) 17:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I've submitted a revised version with sources for everything and page numbers for those sources. I hope this is correct now but please let me know if not! Finlay73 (talk) 22:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

References.

I am trying to educate people about the Gleb Korablev livestream, but I need more references. I created the draft on PS5. ClassifiedBagel (talk) 05:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

From a cursory google search, I'm not seeing any WP:RELIABLE, WP:SECONDARY sources covering the subject. It seems the subject in question is not WP:NOTABLE. — Toast for Teddy (talk) 05:52, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

This is about Draft:Suicide of Gleb Korablev. David notMD (talk) 10:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@ClassifiedBagel You have re-submitted the draft today a few hours after it was declined by User:Dan arndt, without making even a minor change to improve the obvious deficiencies in sourcing. That will not endear you to the reviewers and wastes everyone's time. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't know how to add references! Most of the sources are from Russian sites. Also, I'm a PlayStation user! Why didn't you tell me how to add references?! ClassifiedBagel (talk) 13:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

ClassifiedBagel See Help:Referencing for beginners and WP:42 for guidance on referencing. Refs do not need to be English. David notMD (talk) 14:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I have doubts that another article about a person committing suicide while live on-line is article worthy even if referenced. David notMD (talk) 14:05, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

So you allow the suicides of Kurt Cobain, Ronnie McNutt and others, but not Gleb Korablev? I get Cobain didn't film his 1994 suicide, but Ronnie McNutt did. Not to mention the level of brutality of both Ronnie and Korablev's. The Ronnie McNutt video is more graphic than the Korablev video. No images are shown, obviously, seeing as Wikipedia wouldn't want to traumatize users. What can I do? ClassifiedBagel (talk) 14:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

ClassifiedBagel Much of the content has no references. David notMD (talk) 03:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

How to get .srt file from WP TimedText?

In attempting to watch The Adventures of Prince Achmed, I have encountered a problem. The version on WP has English subtitles translating the German intertitles, but no music. (Silent films are very boring without musical accompaniment.) A version I've found on YouTube (via Enhanced Cinema; I will not link the video directly for fear of it not being fully above board copyright-wise) has music, but no English subtitles.

I'm not that familiar with how WP subtitles work. Is there a way to download a file's TimedText as a .srt file or another subtitle file format so I could apply them to a downloaded copy of the YouTube video?

Thanks. — Toast for Teddy (talk) 06:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Toast for Teddy. srt files are just text files. You could create a file yourself, e.g. with Notepad in Windows, and copy-paste from TimedText:The Adventures of Prince Achmed (1926).webm.en.srt. But you can also save https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=TimedText:The_Adventures_of_Prince_Achmed_(1926).webm.en.srt&action=raw. Give it the exact name of the video file including file type and then .srt, and place it in the same folder. Play the video and look for a subtitle option in the media player. If you still have problems then you can post to Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. Give the file type of the video, your operating system, and the media player you would like to use. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:44, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Copying it into a text file worked like a charm. Thank you. — Toast for Teddy (talk) 01:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Review of draft

LEvalyn approved an article I wrote (Harold Sinclair (novelist)) very quickly. I'd like to ask them to look at a similar draft (Draft:Richard Elwell Banta) that has been on hold for four months. Thanks Pbergerd (talk) 10:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Pbergerd, welcome to the Teahouse. If you'd like to contact LEvalyn, you can do so on their talk page, User talk:LEvalyn. 57.140.16.8 (talk) 13:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I looked there first, but did not find an easy way to talk. Do I need to "edit source"? Pbergerd (talk) 14:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

If you're on mobile Wikipedia website, there is an "add topic" on the bottom of the page. On desktop, you'll need to edit source and manually create a new section for your request. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 15:42, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm on desktop, and when I go to that Talk page I have an "Add Topic" at the top, between "Edit", and "View History". ColinFine (talk) 15:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not LEvalyn (or a Teahouse host at all), but I accepted your draft just now (Richard Elwell Banta). Cheers. LR.127 (talk) 23:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Redacting edits from edit history

Hello. Is there a way to strike an edit or edits from the articles edit history? Go to Kansas City Intl Airport article, go to edit history. Is it possible to strike from the edit history 17:19,17:20,17:20 August 14, 2024? I tried to source a PDF but it went to my e-mail. That was not my intention. Would like for those to be deleted. Thank you.Theairportman33531 (talk) 18:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Theairportman33531, welcome to the Teahouse! It is indeed possible to remove edits from an article's edit history. I've done this for you as a precaution. Just so you know, you can find more information, including less visible ways of requesting such things, at WP:REVDEL (which removes an edit from visibility from everyone but admins) and WP:OVERSIGHT (which removes an edit from even admins, used mostly for personally-identifiable information). I've gone ahead and forwarded these edits to Oversight for you, although I don't think there's actually much in the way of sensitive information in their contents. Cheers! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. Theairportman33531 (talk) 18:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Theairportman33531 You might be interested to read This Article. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Block on itwiki

I got blocked on it.wiki but my dirsuptive intentions are over. Can I still edit here? Qwerty 9706 (talk) 18:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

yes. English Wikipedia is not connected to Italian wiki. Babysharkboss2 was here!! ^{Dr. Wu is NOT a Doctor!} 18:11, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Actually, that's a no, though not directly because of the itwiki block. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:18, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Per Talk page, Q presently indef blocked as sock at English Wikipedia. Has appealed. David notMD (talk) 19:03, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

That sock-drawer is banned, not just a sock-evasion block for this current one. DMacks (talk) 20:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Regarding lists of solar eclipses

Hello people! I am working on a list of all of the solar eclipses visible from Canada, and I have a question regarding how the list entries are classified. What exactly determines if only a "sliver" of the subdivision was in the path of the eclipse (and would therefore have a dagger next to its entry)? Is it subjective, or is there a concrete definition? Thanks! ✶Antrotherkus✶^✶talk✶ 18:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Antrotherkus, and welcome to the Teahouse. I think it's unlikely anybody here at the Teahouse will have an answer. I suggest asking it somewhere relevant, perhaps WT:WikiProject Astronomy. ColinFine (talk) 19:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Okay! ✶Antrotherkus✶^✶talk✶ 20:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Can an expert editor help me with updating a wikipedia page?

I need help with editing. 2600:6C50:147F:C5AF:BD7D:ED39:A8B5:1492 (talk) 19:42, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! You're going to need to be a lot more specific to get a reasonable response. What page, what are you changing, why, etc. See also: Don't ask to ask Bsoyka (t • c • g) 19:45, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Is there a "social space" on Wikipedia?

The Teahouse is the closest thing I could find on Wikipedia to act as a beginner-friendly "lounge" to ask simple questions and not worry about wasting others' time. I was wondering if there's other places like that (I'm dimly aware of IRC channels and Discord servers, though I don't have a Discord account and forget where the official pages and links to them are).

I'm also aware of the historical "host lounge" that used to be in the Teahouse. Is there a social space like the host lounge that still exists, just to hang out and destress? Cheers. LR.127 (talk) 23:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @LR.127, and welcome to the Teahouse. There isn't a place on en.wikipedia for 'de-stresing' and chatting, because we're not here for that purpose, nor do we want to encourage it. See WP:NOTSOCIAL.

Some people do use off-wiki sites, but I can't comment on any of those as I don't visit them. In fact, the only time I did so I was blocked by another editor within minutes for lurking suspiciously (despite being an administrator here!) So I've never gone back. The Host Lounge at the Teahouse was disbanded long ago, once it became self-sustaining, as it was also not necessary any more.

That said, there are many behind the scenes places on Wikipedia where the wok of managing and maintaining this encyclopaedia is done in a collegiate and friendly (and sometimes not-so-friendly) manner, which some may find 'social'. But it's important to stay on track.

So, all in all, I'm inclined to agree with you that the Teahouse is indeed one of the friendliest and chilled-out places on this website. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes, I'm sorry, I couldn't help but laugh to hear you've been blocked as a Suspicious Lurker! @LR.127, links to the chat channels are at WP:IRCT and WP:DISCORD if you haven't found those already. There's also a discord server just for NPP/AfC reviewers if that interests you. -- asilvering (talk) 03:48, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Asilvering Thanks. But I made the decision to stay away from off-wiki stuff. Right now, I see no reason to join any other group. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

genetics

I don't know how to explain but I will do my best, if one parent had a certain feature and another parent had another, how would the child look like? (and how does that all work) 2600:1700:4805:8820:F07C:8A4B:8060:9EA5 (talk) 23:43, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. I can't tell if you have a question or an answer. But the Teahouse is a place for getting help with actual editing. If you want to use this encyclopaedia for yourself, you might wish to read this article: Biological inheritance. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science may be able to help you. C F A 💬 03:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Access to suggested articles for editing to attain autoconfirmed status

I have joined Wikipedia and after reading a great deal on how to contribute with a page about a technology company I represent,I'm told I must complete 10 edits to be auto confirmed. Apparently Wikipedia can suggest articles for me to edit, but I cannot find it anywhere. I would appreciate some basic help on how to begin this process, which on the surface, looks highly complex. KNpepper202 (talk) 00:31, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

See WP:Maintenance for an overview of things that can be done and Wikipedia:Task Center for individual tasks. Moxy🍁 00:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Does Special:Homepage work for you? Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 01:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Given "a technology company I represent", you probably want Articles for Creation (for creating a new page) or edit requests (for editing an existing page). You can do either of these without being autoconfirmed. Making substantial edits directly to topics you have a conflict of interest with is usually not a great idea, even when technically allowed. Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 03:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

See also WP:PAID for the requirement to declare a paid status on your User page before starting with Articles for Creation. Also, WP:42 for the need for references that are independent from anything the company has published about itself (website, press releases, interviews, etc.), and finally, WP:NCORP. David notMD (talk) 10:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Requests for comment

hi Teahouse hosts, I'd like to create a Request for comment for an article. The article is part of a Wikiproject. Could I ask for some assistance about how and when I should do this please? Rockycape (t • c •g) 04:01, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Are you talking about the comment you made yesterday at Talk:Downball? As a note to the Teahouse hosts, the COI editor in question last edited more than half a year ago—Special:Contribs/Nmck2024dba shows nothing after 29 January.

I'm going to make some bold changes to the article. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 10:51, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Teahouse hosts, yes - appreciate it and thanks. Rockycape (t • c •g) 11:38, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

If you're hoping to tap into the WikiProject Australia community (diff), the best way is to just go to Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board and ask them to participate in the existing discussion at Talk:Downball. That's because you want to consolidate and centralize discussions whenever possible, instead of running parallel discussions in multiple places. For example, if you've already asked for help here, you may want to avoid asking the same question on your user talkpage. (; Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 12:09, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Teahouse hosts, apologies as I'm missing something in understanding how to "just go to Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board and ask them to participate in the existing discussion". I'm not sure if I just leave a message like I know how to do on a talk page or whether I need to add a template to the article or something else? Can I ask for more specific instructions and information on when it's appropriate to do so please? Rockycape (t • c •g) 12:32, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

First, make sure you're not WP:CANVASSing – in this case, you should be fine.

You can just leave a message at the noticeboard ("Your project might be interested in this discussion..." or you can use the {{please see}} template. Cremastra (talk) 13:15, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the help.Rockycape (t • c •g) 13:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I can find the templates but don't know how to edit the data

Hi there.

I am trying to update the information on a new Canadian political party that launched yesterday and is running candidates in an upcoming election for the first time.

I am trying to find out how to add the official name, shortened name, links to the party's external site, and its colour that would be displayed in the list of Canadian parties. Also, when I added the candidate's entry to the list of people running in the election, there are no links to the party page and no colour. I have followed links that tell me the template structures to follow, but I can't find where to actually edit the template data for these fields.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks! Evanleibovitch (talk) 07:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Evanleibovitch Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not a voter guide or mere list of candidates/parties in an election, or a place for organizations to tell about themselves. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources say about topics that meet the relevant notability criteria, such as a notable organization. It's doubtful that a political party founded yesterday has received the coverage needed to sustain an article- it is too soon to know its impact. Mere candidates for public office do not merit articles merely due to that, per WP:NPOLITICIAN; they must win their election or actually hold public office.

If you are associated with this political party's apparatus(not merely being a member of the party), that needs to be disclosed, see conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 08:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I am a volunteer assisting the candidate with scheduling but am not in any party leadership or operational staff. Evanleibovitch (talk) 13:14, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Why do all new Cyrillic letter pages get declined?

i have noticed that many MANY other Cyrillic letters with no Unicode have been declined as an page. What is the reason for this?, at least we get info from wikipedia. 2001:8F8:1DB8:8B40:888E:2BFF:FE21:48CE (talk) 07:57, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. There is no policy of declining articles on Cyrillic letters. Usually when articles are declined it is because there are not adequate reliable independent sources cited. If you gave us some examples, we might have a better chance of explaining what has happened. ColinFine (talk) 10:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

[Edit Conflict] At the English-language Wikipedia, if a draft article is Declined (which means "not up to standard yet, improve and try again"), or Rejected (which means "not a suitable subject for an article"), the reviewer should state clear reasons for their judgement.

Wikipedias in other languages are independent of this one, and often have different rules, so we usually cannot help or advise you with problems on them.

If you do mean drafts declined on English Wikipedia, please give a link to one or more of them so we can understand in more detail what you are asking about. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.1.109.53 (talk) 10:04, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Citing sources at Draft:PH-BUK

The draft article Draft:PH-BUK created by me, BuddyHeigh, was declined at the draft review. The reason was that there were not enough sources. Here, at the Teahouse, I request the experienced editors to help me search sources across the internet. BuddyHeigh (talk) 09:48, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, BuddyHeigh, and welcome to the Teahouse.

That is unlikely to happen. We are all volunteers, and work on what we want to work on. Teahouse hosts are people who enjoy helping and guiding new editors, but not, usually, doing their work for them.

You might find somebody interested in working with you at WikiProject Aviation, but there is no guarantee. ColinFine (talk) 10:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

In my opinion, other than special varients Wikilinked at Boeing 747, such as Air Force One, it is unlikely that any of the 1,500+ planes that are/were in passenger or freight service at airlines around the world are article-worthy. David notMD (talk) 10:21, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, BuddyHeigh. Please be aware that a Dutch Wikipedia article is not an acceptable reference for another Wikipedia article. Please read WP:CIRCULAR. Also, Planespotters is a website based on user generated content, so it is not considered a reliable source for use as a reference in a Wikipedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 21:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I am so sorry ColinFine for asking to search sources. I just wanted to ask for help, and didn't really mean to offend you. Pardon me for this. I shall search the sources by myself instead of disturbing others for help to search sources. BuddyHeigh (talk) 16:46, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Too long ago to clearly remember.but the pain lingers

Failed Admin: where does one go to relive the agony of a failed admin request. Inquiring minds want to know and remember all the gory details! Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 10:35, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Buster7? Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 11:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

With 16 years and >66,000 edits, a failed Admin request 11 years ago this week is not the defining moment of your Wikipedia participation. David notMD (talk) 14:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Having to dump almost all my sandboxes for fear I may have forgotten some plagiarized tidbit is my agony. I truly appreciate what you say. It does not define me. But...I know one thing...I would have been a great administrator, a great counselor. a great diplomate. The pain I reflect on is that I had a stalker that haunted my early WP career. He showed up at my request very early, gave his false over-stated evidence and sucked the life out of any possibility of success. Thanks for the info @Rotideypoc41352: and @David notMD: BTW, I just got the name joke. We learned the joy (and agony) a cool bottle of MD-2020 65 years ago!!! Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 12:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

As a Reform Jew I had my share of Mogan David wine at Bar/Bat Mitzvahs, but my User name has it origins in a forum which had a frequent poster who went by David MD. Per my Wikipedia page I have a PhD from MIT, but chose to be David notMD rather than David PhD. David notMD (talk) 05:22, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Please guide me in editing the page

Please guide me in editing the page Raaj1007 (talk) 12:17, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Raaj1007: hi and welcome to the Teahouse! What other sources do you have on Draft:Leo Thaddeus (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)? Thank you, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 12:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

The draft in its current state makes clear that much of the fact content has no references. What you need is what people have written about him, which is more than confirming his accomplishments. David notMD (talk) 14:09, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Raaj1007, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.

Unfortunately, you have done what hundreds and hundreds of other new editors do, and attempted the challenging task of creating a new article without understanding any of the foundational principles of Wikipedia. This is like starting to build a house without surveying the site or checking on legal requirements for building: your house will probably either fall down, or be condemned by the authorities.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. ColinFine (talk) 14:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Raaj1007, please be aware that the Times of India is not a reliable source for entertainment topics. Please read Paid news in India and WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Cullen328 (talk) 16:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Need help knowing why article was not accepted

The denial for the article was not said to have not enough published sources. Can someone assist me knowing what I need to do or which edits to make??

Draft:Prince of Peace Painting ArtInspiration4all (talk) 13:38, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

The majority of cited sources are by third-party well-known publications. So I am a little confused. ArtInspiration4all (talk) 13:41, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @ArtInspiration4all: I've just answered this at the AfC help desk; please don't ask in multiple venues, as it wastes volunteer efforts. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:26, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

To make your Draft qualifies for wikipedia article, you also need to do wikilinks too. See: MOS:LINK. for help in wikilinks, See: H:LINK.

–– kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 14:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Article needs rewrite

Hi, the article explosives safety is poorly written, and needs to be vigorously copy-edited to comply with quality standards. Is there a group of people that I can contact to help with this? Thank you, Kurnahusa (talk) 14:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Kurnahusa: Welcome to the Teahouse. You may be looking for the Guild of Copyeditors, which has a requests page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:49, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Kurnahusa As you say, that article is in a poor state and needs many more citations etc. The GCE probably won't be able to help very much, since they focus on tone, grammar and spelling. You might get some interest if you posted at WT:WikiProject Occupational Safety and Health. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:55, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I will try and do as much as I can, and leave the rest for the more experienced :) Kurnahusa (talk) 16:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

two book citation questions

The book citation template has a place to identify the page number that supports an edit. In an article that I’m editing, I’m citing the same book more than once, but different pages support each edit. Is there any guideline that specifies whether to add the citation more than once, in order to specify the different page number that supports each edit, versus just omitting the page numbers and reusing the one citation?

Separately, the article I’m editing has a number of “citation needed” tags for quotes from authors. I haven’t been able to find citations for the quotations, but the same book as above quotes similar content from some of the same authors and provides a citation for each quote. In an academic journal, this would be noted along the lines of “source X cited in source Y.” But I don’t see any way to note this using the book template. Any suggestions? Thanks, FactOrOpinion (talk) 16:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@FactOrOpinion, different editors have different solutions for this. Personally, I like using Template:rp, since it makes really tidy footnotes (you can see it in action on Parson's Tale). Others swear by Template:sfn. I'm less of a fan of this one as a reader, particularly on long articles, but it's very very easy to use as a writer, much easier than rp. (See eg Federated Legion of Women.) You can also make a brand new citation for each separate page, but that's the most annoying of all possible worlds, in my opinion. -- asilvering (talk) 17:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, FactOrOpinion. You can cite the same source multiple times using NAMEDREF, and you can add a page number separately to each citation using {{rp}}.

As for your second question: it is preferable to cite the original source, if you have seen it, but it is acceptable to say "X reports that Y", citing X, as long as you make it clear that this is what X says, not necessarily what Y says. But in such a case you should certainly not directly quote text that you haven't seen. (If Y directly quoted X, you could perhaps include the quote as "X quoted in Y"). ColinFine (talk) 17:53, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both! FactOrOpinion (talk) 18:17, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Please help to review and publish the article about Sergey Smbatyan

Dear senior editors, please help me to review and publish the article about Sergey Smbatyan, who is a known conductor. I have already submitted the draft for review. Grigor Khachatrian (talk) 17:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Grigor Khachatrian, your draft is not now submitted for review. Please read the documentation at Template:AfC submission/submit, and add the appropriate template to the top of your draft and publish the edit. This will add a button that you can click to resubmit the draft. Cullen328 (talk) 17:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey @Cullen328, thanks for your prompt response, should I add this template to the top of the draft - {{AfC submission/reviewing}} ? Thanks in advance for your help. Grigor Khachatrian (talk) 17:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Grigor Khachatrian I have reinstated the review history. Please do not remove it. It has the submit button 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:35, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Grigor Khachatrian, no, that is the incorrect template because your draft is not being reviewed at this time. Do not add these templates here to the Teahouse, or you will submit the Teahouse itself for review, which nobody wants. Cullen328 (talk) 17:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

So sorry for the, thanks for your help. Grigor Khachatrian (talk) 17:38, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I have declined it again. There is a huge backlog of drafts to review. Please don't resubmit a draft with no improvements over the last time it was declined. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:26, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Using Reference from Swedish Wikipedia

I'm looking for sources on the article Karin Smirnov, and I've found one referencing her birth/death dates I'd like to include (in the Swedish Karin Smirnoff), but I am not familiar with Swedish and don't trust myself to correctly put it in the enwiki article. It seems to be using special Swedish Wiki shorthand (?) preventing me from copypasting the source properly, and I do not want to make this article messy. The Swedish version looks very nice, at least through google translate, but I don't feel comfortable translating over to the english version.

Is there a specific place I can/should reach out for assistance? Sophia(∠θ pr′me) 17:31, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Which reference are you having trouble with? You should be able to just copy-paste the wikitext over to en-wiki directly without it screwing up too badly. Anomiebot will come by soon afterwards to clean it up. -- asilvering (talk) 17:47, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

The wikitext is this: <ref>{{Bokref/Dödbok/2009}}</ref>. I believe it links to a template that doesn't exist on enwiki, at least per my sandbox edit. Sophia(∠θ pr′me) 18:04, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Sophia. If sv:Karin Smirnoff uses templates from the Swedish Wikipedia for its citations, then these probably will not exist in English Wikipedia. There may be equivalent templates, but you will probably have to translate the name of the template and possibly the parameters. If equivalent templates do not exist, you may have to change the call to use existing English templates, or even copy the templates across (this is permitted, but it may require underlying templates or modules which will also need to be carried across). Leaving an article in English Wikipedia with templates in a different language is not a good idea.

I don't know of any resource to do any of this for you. ColinFine (talk) 18:00, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I was typing my reply to asilvering when you posted this. I may come back to this when I have more time available then, but thank you both very much. Sophia(∠θ pr′me) 18:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Shepworth The simplest approach is to copy the bare url of the reference between ref tags. It can be fleshed out later. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

After looking at the Swedish article: it does not use any citation templates directly inline, but I think the template sw:Mall:Bokref that it uses in the References section is similar to Template:cite book. ColinFine (talk) 18:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Ah, but sv:Mall:Bokref/Dödbok/2009 is a different template, that appears to expand to a piece of fixed text, so you could insert (a translation of) that text directly. --ColinFine (talk) 18:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

You shouldn't need a translation of it - just copying over that wikitext directly should work. Bokref will automatically translate to cite book. -- asilvering (talk) 19:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Yep, it works in your sandbox, @Shepworth. Though I don't think anomiebot will visit your sandbox. -- asilvering (talk) 19:38, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Content Reduction

If retaining a section on the heritage of John Erskine, Earl of Mar (1675–1732) (e.g., the House of Mar section) is appropriate, as discussed on the talk page, are there any suggestions for revising this section? KMarrs1722 (talk) 18:27, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@KMarrs1722 Welcome to the Teahouse. Assuming the House of Mar is different from Clan Mar, then it would need to stand as an encyclopaedic and properly referenced article in its own right. It would need a lead paragraph which summarizes why the topic is notable, and all the rest of the content would need to be supported by references. Some of the current claims are unsupported by citations to permit them to be Verified, whilst others use text bordering on a tourist brochure or personal opinion. For example, the Mar Lodge Estate doesn't "boast" 14 Munros; it simply "covers", "contains" or "includes" them. I would suggest reordering the sentence to indicate that five of Scotalnd highest mountains are contained within the Estate, and then giving the total of Munros. At the moment it reads as if there are 14 Munros plus a further 5 really big mountains, which we both can see is not correct (as a complete aside, my wife proposed to me on the summit of Ben Macdui - and I turned her down on that occasion!). Using a neutral tone of voice is important in an encyclopaedia, and all claims need to be supported with citations. Hoping this helps a bit, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

The talk page there is probably the best place for the discussion. I have just left a comment there noticing article "Earl of Mar". (edit conflict with Nick Moyes). Feline Hymnic (talk) 19:19, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

I suggested @KMarrs1722 come here to ask.They are working very hard in the article. Setting aside which are their contributions and which are other people's (no longer relevant) I see two parallel issues:

• Text which can be considered to be OR since it os devoid of references
• Text which appears to me not to be part of the Erskine article and whcih is more suitable for another article or articles, or articles not yet written

Their objective, and Wikipedia's, is to increase referenced information on Erskine, and also surrounding topics.

Thank you Nick Moyes and Feline Hymnic for advising them 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

@Timtrent Thanks, Yes, I can see @KMarrs1722 has indeed been working very hard, and we most certainly welcome their contributions. The article assessment now merits an update because of all their work. But because the page is still in flux, I will add it to my WatchList and try to remember to revisit later on to enhance the rating. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:25, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

A secondary objective in asking questions here is that it can often encourage editors who would never have considered editing this (type of) article to bring their skills to it as well. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:31, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

what happened to the monthly edit counts? Mine is gone. Is this permanent?

https://xtools.wmcloud.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/PumpkinButter#month-counts PB57 (talk) 21:19, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Your link worked just fine for me. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:33, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Slavitza Jovan translated

I've already asked my secondary mentor, as my first one is out until October 1st, but when I translated the Slavitza Jovan page from the German Wikipedia, there were no sources except for IMDb and Allmovie, would they be considered good sources, and do I have to find my own?

The article in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Slavitza_Jovan 3.14 (talk) 21:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

No. IMDB cannot be cited as a source because it is user generated and therefore considered an unreliable source. AllMovie has no content except to reference Wikipedia, which is also unacceptable. See Wikipedia:Golden Rule. You need multiple sources that satisfy all three criteria. The sources don't need to be in English. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Because, 3.14, German-language Wikipedia has the article de:Slavitza Jovan, because this doesn't have any conspicuous warning flags, and because both German- and English-language Wikipedias are routinely described as versions in different languages of the same thing, it may seem reasonable to infer that a conscientious translation into English of de:Slavitza Jovan would constitute a legitimate article for English-language Wikipedia. But however reasonable this may seem, it's utterly wrong. Do you have good sources about Slavitza Jovan? (These may be in German, in Serbian, or in any other language in which you are proficient.) If you do, then proceed. If you don't, then stop. -- Hoary (talk) 21:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

So, any movie websites are out of the question? 3.14 (talk) 23:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

It depends on what you mean by a "movie website". Something like Rotten Tomatoes or Metacritic, which publishes reviews, could work if they provide any in-depth coverage of Slavitza Jovan's acting. Otherwise, profile bios or listings don't constitute coverage for the purpose of establishing notability, they merely establish existence, and an article subject must have more than existence to merit an article. There is also WP:NACTOR, which describes other ways an actor can be notable, but they are fairly high bars to pass. The roles must be significant. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

3.14159265459AAAs, that is not what is being said. Websites consisting of user generated content are not reliable. Websites that mass copy content from Wikipedia are not reliable. Established movie oriented websites with professional editorial control and a reputation for accuracy and correcting errors are reliable. Cullen328 (talk) 00:23, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Cullen328, noted. 3.14 (talk) 20:45, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

You write "She rose to fame while playing as Gozer in the 1984 film Ghostbusters." That film has been immensely popular (and thus widely commented on) and en:Wikipedia's article about it is "featured", with plenty of references. If she indeed rose to fame while in the film, I'd expect that a number of the sources cited within that article would devote paragraphs to her acting or other contributions to the film. Have you looked? -- Hoary (talk) 01:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

What happened with the Lily Hoshikawa article?

Why wasn't the protection for the articles about Lily Hoshikawa and Zombie Land Saga expired yet? Why no expiration date? 103.186.35.26 (talk) 02:39, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! For both of those articles, temporary protection was found to be insufficient. However, feel free to contribute to them through our edit request process. Happy editing! Bsoyka (t • c • g) 02:49, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) In both cases, the articles have been indefinitely semi-protected because of persistent sockpuppetry. You can make neutral, well-referenced edit requests at the talk pages of the respective articles. You can also go to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection and make a well reasoned, policy based request for the protection to be removed. You can also register an account, make productive, policy compliant edits for a while, and then edit these articles yourself. Cullen328 (talk) 02:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

The reason of sockpuppetry? Because it had to do with Lily Hoshikawa? 103.186.35.26 (talk) 04:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

It's unlikely that anybody here knows offhand what the reason for the sockpuppetry is (or reasons are) most likely to have been. (In order to know for sure, one would have to look inside the sockmaster's head.) If I wanted to find out, I'd look through the history of the LH article and the history of the ZLS article. You could do this too. -- Hoary (talk) 05:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Question About BLP Sources

Hi! I was looking at the Audrey Williams page and noticed that there are barely any citations throughout the page. I figured we need something like Template:BLP sources for that page, but as Williams is deceased, it wouldn't be right to add that. Is there a template like that for deceased people? Thanks. CallieCrewmanAuthor (talk) 03:09, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

CallieCrewmanAuthor, I know of none that are particularly for articles about dead people, but for entire articles that aren't about living people (and thus may be about dead ones), there's Template:More citations needed, and for sections there's Template:More citations needed section. (For these and many others, Wikipedia:Template index/Sources of articles is a wonderful resource.) -- Hoary (talk) 03:17, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@CallieCrewmanAuthor, You might also want to get more specific by using Template:Citation needed inside a section. It can be applied to a paragraph, a sentence, or even a portion of a sentence. Eddie Blick (talk) 00:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Minor change to page title

Hello! What would be the process for making a minor change to the title of a page? The page List of Harry Potter characters should use italics for the name Harry Potter. Please see other examples such as Magical objects in Harry Potter, Magical creatures in Harry Potter, and Places in Harry Potter. Wafflewombat (talk) 03:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

For changes to a title that are purely formatting-based, you can use {{DISPLAYTITLE}}. In this case, it would be {{DISPLAYTITLE:List of ''Harry Potter'' characters}} (note the colon rather than the pipe). Just so you know, this doesn't let you change a title in any way where what you would copy when you copy the title off the page does not match the actual title of the page (so, for example, {{DISPLAYTITLE:Amazing list of Harry Potter characters}} would do nothing). Tollens (talk) 03:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Brilliant! Thank you! Wafflewombat (talk) 04:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat: You removed the original code in [1]. You could also say {{italic title|string=Harry Potter}}. Then it works on any page with "Harry Potter" in the name so it's resistant to page moves. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:43, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

In my fantasy world, bluelinks that are not piped would automatically display the same format as DISPLAYTITLE sets for the target article and/or formatting would be stripped from bluelinks so we wouldn't need to pipe to format it as desired. And also can I have a pony? DMacks (talk) 02:21, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Suddenly Dark

Can someone please help me turn Wikipedia back to light/standard mode? It turned dark for me, and none of the Google results make any sense. I'm a dummy - I need current, step by step instructions. Please help. OldBayLady (talk) 06:10, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

You can change your theme here.

Further information: WP:DARK

.–– kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 08:19, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. OldBayLady (talk) 17:55, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome! Happy editing!–– kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 18:12, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Request for Review of Updated Draft: Vaibhav Palhade

Hello, I am seeking assistance with the draft titled Draft:Vaibhav Palhade, which was previously declined on May 11, 2024, due to concerns about notability and the references used. I have addressed these issues by updating the references with more independent and reliable sources that comply with Wikipedia's guidelines, and by including additional references that provide more significant and in-depth coverage of Vaibhav Palhade’s work and achievements. Additionally, I have ensured adherence to WP and WP , with proper disclosures where applicable. The revised draft now aligns better with Wikipedia's notability requirements. I kindly request that the updated draft be reviewed once more for potential resubmission. Thank you for your assistance! Ballal2003 (talk) 11:17, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

When you think it's ready, click on "Resubmit". No need to ask here. Incidentally, I'm surprised by the combination of (i) "He is known for his work in Indian cinema and literature, particularly in the Marathi language"; (ii) a list of his "Notable Works", each of which has a title in English and only in English. -- Hoary (talk) 11:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Ballal2003 Before you re-submit, you need to look at Wikipedia's policy for biographies of living people. You must provide inline citations for details like his DOB and birthplace, for example. I have not checked your sources to see if they can be used to verify these facts. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

I want to do editing

2025 ICC Champions Trophy. Sxnxtxn (talk) 11:18, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Sxnxtxn That article is semi-protected but you are autoconfirmed, so should have no problem editing it. Have you tried and run into a problem? Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

.... actually, I see you have already edited the article but are in a dispute with User:Vestrian24Bio about whether the infobox should have a partially Urdu title. Please take that discussion to the Talk Page at Talk:2025 ICC Champions Trophy. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

This is English Wikipedia, why should it contain other language titles? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 12:04, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Sxnxtxn Does WP:NOINDICSCRIPT explain why we discourage alternative language titles in Infoboxes, and why your edit was undone? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:11, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

on undiscussed blars

for context, this is over a conversation in rfd (across two different nominations, but that's besides the point), to which the big question i have is more likely to be properly answered in a venue designed for questioning things

is there some deletion policy that states that xfd nominations for undiscussed blars with no info regarding them on the targets (and in this case, with later discussions finding no reliable info at all) have to be reverted and taken to afd anyway? i really might be missing something here cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Will my English And Global Wikipedia account be safe?

On August the 14, of 2024, i started to create a translation for the page "List of Glassware" for the Greek Wikipedia, which on the same day a user marked it as possible speed deletion due to automatic trnaslation and afterwards an admin removed, despite satrting a discussion againt it, which no one answered. I am aware that this an issue for the Greek Wikipedia, but i am afraid for my account generaaly in wikipedia, as i am planning to create a report on the admin. i believe this ocassion is possible admin fault, i have tried to contact him, he wasnt answered yet, but i have noticed in his talk page that he is agressive and selffish, and because the greek wikipedia is small , possibly the admins, beuracrats and all administrative levels, are interconected, i am afraid if i report to it 1) Will i find justice 2)Will the possible rogue admin ban me, through power abuse; if he does , wil lthis affrct my global account or english one 3) After he answers me, if he is mean and report it for admin priveleges reclaim, will i have the same dangers.

So my main Question Is: If i try to report the admin, and i am banned due tocpower abuse, will my global and english wikipedia account be safe?

Also, what is your suggestions on this matter?

End finally, if i don't find justice on the greek wikipedia is there an overseer about sub-wikipedia versions, or if not specifically, an overseer about any wikipedia encyclopedia. Mant08 (talk) 12:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Mant08, thanks for coming to the teahouse. What happens on Greek Wiki does not affect you on other wikis. A Greek Wiki admin cannot ban you on English Wiki, as much as I know. As for this matter, I do not know much about Greek Wiki and therefore cannot offer you the best advice, I am afraid. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 13:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Mant08 Welcome to the English Wikipedia Teahouse. This is going to be a bit of a lengthy reply.

I'm sorry you experienced difficulties on el.wikipedia. As has been mentioned, we have no say here on what happens on that site, nor the behaviour of administrators there. That said, I can see from your global contributions that you have been editing there 'in good faith', and set out to translate an article from en.wikipedia. That seems to me a sensible thing to do, but quite what the rules are on Greek Wikipedia, I do not know. I can make two suggestions:

Firstly, go to the deleting administrator's talk page and (politely) explain - or repeat - that you were sorry if you misunderstood the procedures which resulted in your partial translated article being deleted, but that you were genuinely trying to make a helpful page. Ask if they can give you any advice on how best to proceed without causing further problems, or if they think Κατάλογος γυάλινων σκευών is not helpful. Maybe there is even a policy against 'List articles' there? If that fails to elicit a response (maybe they're away on holiday), try to find a more 'amenable' administrator or experienced editor to approach. I'm afraid there doesn't appear to be a Teahouse equivalent on Greek Wikipedia, but there is a general helpdesk. It doesn't look hugely active, but please consider asking for help HERE

I do advise against rushing to report any administrator before you've made genuine endeavours to engage and left enough time for a response and a solution. In fact, unless you have strong evidence (WP:DIFFS) of repeated bad behaviour, it is often not worth the effort of reporting someone if they have simply misunderstood your motives for starting that page and were a little too enthusiastic to speedily delete it. Such complaints tend to backfire. So stay reasonable in your requests for help and when seeking an explanation of their rules. Also, do avoid accusations against other editors unless you can genuinely prove that to be the case.

My second suggestion is to work on developing your article as either a draft, or within your personal sandbox there on Greek wikipedia. Provided you include an edit summary to explain the attribution and translation from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_glassware, I see little reason for anyone to object to you working on it and then moving it into the main encyclopaedia when it's finally ready and in good shape.

We do face a similar problem here on en.wiki where very well-meaning editors start to create an article directly in the main part of our encyclopaedia, rather than developing it as a draft or sandbox page first. These attempts do often get speedily deleted, simply because the expectation is that anything within the main encyclopaedia should be of reasonable quality. If ever you were to look at some of my draft articles whilst I was working on them you'd see that nobody in their right mind would be able to understand the mess I am working on! So it's best to keep them out of the encyclopaedia until they meet proper standards right from the very start.

Finally, it would be extraordinary for someone acting in good faith to be globally blocked from editing other Wikipedias. This action is reserved for very serious cases of vandalism or abuse. So, even if you were to be blocked by one over-zealous administrator, normally there are routes to appeal a block on that Wikipedia. Those blocks do not affect other projects. But, when appealing any block, don't create another account to do it from, but use your existing account. Usually, most blocked editors still have talk page access (at least they do here). So from there, you could always WP:PING another administrator to make your case, if necessary. Sadly, I know nothing about the rules and policies on Greek Wikipedia, but I hope this is sufficient guidance and assurance to help you achieve what you set out to do. Kind regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@TheLonelyPather, @Nick Moyes Thank you all very much for your answers and advice. I was not really aware of the draft functionality of wikipedia, i have only read about it, and because of the name i through it was only for small sections, not entire articles! Have you all a great day! Mant08 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 17:28, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey

Why 'entrepreneur' word is promotional phrase on Wikimedia? Youknow? (talk) 15:41, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Youknow?, and welcome to the Teahouse.

As usual, it is hard to give answers to general, non-specific questions here. But I guess that what is going on is that somebody has referred to the word "entrepreneur" as promotional in contesting an edit or declining a draft?

Editors need to be very careful to avoid using phrases which imply judgments, good or bad. Would somebody who disapproved of a person describe them as an "entrepreneur"? Probably not.

"Entrepreneur" is perhaps not as judgmental as many of the examples in peacock words, but it has some of the same qualities. ColinFine (talk) 16:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Ahhh.. Got it! Thank you Youknow? (talk) 16:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

How to appeal an editor's decision?

My draft on the Indigenous scientist Cristina Eisenberg was just turned down: Draft:Cristina Eisenberg. She meets the academic notability criteria 5: holds a named chair at a major institution. I also suspect the reviewer interpreted some secondary sources as primary sources. Also this may be part of the Wiki gender gap. What's the best way to appeal? Bodhipup (talk) 16:32, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

In the first instance, you can talk to the editor who declined your draft at User talk:CFA. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

thanks, will do Bodhipup (talk) 16:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello,Bodhipup. The answer is, always, to open a discussion with the other editor. Wikipedia is a collaborative project. ColinFine (talk) 16:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

thanks Bodhipup (talk) 16:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Bodhipup Many of the references you use are repeated several times. We have ways to use a footnote more than once, which would make your draft much tidier. Many of your sources are not independent of Eisenberg, so it would help the reviewer to highlight (in the comments) those which best confirm her notability. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:56, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

While I agree, it is worth mentioningWP:NACADEMIC includes some exceptions to independent sourcing for academics, because their credentials and works are peer-reviewed which is more exhaustive editorial process than many independent secondary sources. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

very helpful, thanks Bodhipup (talk) 03:21, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Newspapers.Com clipping

Hi,

Would it be possible for someone with a Newspapers.com Subscription to clip the image of John R. Dinsmore from this Newspapers.com page? https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/235266419/

Thank you, Globg (talk) 16:49, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Globg: Please ask at WP:RE. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Andy, do you mean WikiProject Redirect or somethng else? Globg (talk) 17:57, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Globg, I think @Pigsonthewing meant for you to go to WP:REX, the Resource Exchange. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:18, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Globg welcome to Teahouse! You are already eligible for the WP:LIBRARY a wonderful resource which already includes a subscription to Newspaper.com! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Looks like it's been done: https://www.newspapers.com/article/clarion-ledger-john-r-dinsmore/153412462/ ~Anachronist (talk) 22:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Aimee La Joie

Hi, I am tempted to move this draft to mainspace. I believe they meet the requirement of WP:NBASIC, WP:ANYBIO, WP:CREATIVE but reviewers say they fail WP:NACTOR. I will adjust further and resubmit if teahouse can provide detailed information why this draft is not ready for mainspace. –Filmforme (talk) 18:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Filmforme: which three of the sources cited do you believe do most to hep establish that she's notable?   Maproom (talk) 21:19, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Maproom Looks like some of the sources are behind a paywall now, so I will have to resort to the Wayback Machine. But I believe these three would do it 1 2 3 –Filmforme (talk) 21:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

1 and 2 are partly based on what La Joie has said, so not fully independent. 3 is in Spanish, which I can't read so I won't comment on that. Maproom (talk) 21:56, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Maproom That's where I'm confused. While they are WP:PRIMARY, it was my understanding they are allowed if enough secondary sources exist, and that they are independent if a journalist or reporter from a reliable source wrote about the subject in their own words. How about these two: 1 2 ? Filmforme (talk) 22:39, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

distractify is considered generally unreliable as a source, so it should not be used; see WP:RSP, which should be your first stop if you are unsure about the reliability of a source. I have no comment about the other one. CodeTalker (talk) 23:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@CodeTalker thank you, removed. Filmforme (talk) 01:53, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Help for another new editor with a CoI

Hi, could someone support Ijyoung (talk · contribs)? He wants to edit Seagull Trust Cruises, for which he has a CoI; I've reverted unsourced text and maintenance template changes, but he would like to add the organisation's logo to the article, and I'm not sure of the process around that. I've looked at WP:LOGO, but it'll take me a while to get my head around it, and he wants to get it done. Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 19:56, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

They seem to have uploaded the logo correctly, taking care of the non-free use rationale and whatnot. I've re-added the logo to the article. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 20:18, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Tacyarg (talk) 20:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Input on intersex healthcare draft please

I saw that there was a page of intersex-related redlinks including intersex healthcare since the intersex medical intervention page focuses mostly on intersex children. I whipped up a draft but I've never made such a hefty article from scratch so I'd appreciate feedback. Here's the draft. Feel free to add stuff if you happen to be knowledgeable about this subject. Urchincrawler (talk) 20:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

That's way more fleshed out than most drafts. I have no knowlege about this subject. I suggest you go through it, cleaning up style guide issues (I see some headings in title case, which is not used on Wikipedia), making sure the spelling is consistent, and most importantly making sure the sources comply with WP:Golden Rule.

A reviewer might object to some sources on the basis of WP:MEDRS, which has a different definition of primary and secondary sources than our usual understanding on Wikipedia. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm still getting the hang of style. I was wondering if medical sources would have to be used for non-medical claims. For instance the history section describes the history of corrective surgery not details about the surgery itself so I thought something that I found published in a law journal would be ok in that case. It's difficult to tell as it's hard to find similar articles that combine both social issues (history of a minority's treatment, advocacy, etc.) and medical info. The only similar article I know of is transgender health care. Urchincrawler (talk) 23:10, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh also, could you clarify which sources you think should be replaced? If so, please leave a comment on the draft's talk page.

I mentioned this in my last comment but just to put it into a more clear question, do claims that are not medical info but are in medicine related articles (the history of how a group is treated in healthcare, advocacy from that group, etc) need to have medical sources? Or would other reasonably reputable sources be ok to prove those things?

Thanks :) Urchincrawler (talk) 23:50, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

The scope of the heightened MEDRS standard is discussed at Wikipedia:Biomedical information. It specifically identifies "History" as not needing MEDRS (therefore just regular RS as usual). DMacks (talk) 02:16, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you :) Urchincrawler (talk) 03:57, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Question about releasing a new article and notability

I have completed a draft of an article about Jessica Morse, who became notable in 2019. I do not have a conflict of interest and I have edited Wikipedia intermittently for years. I would like to go ahead and release the article but I need your advice because an article about Morse was correctly deleted in 2018 because she was not notable at the time. May I release the article or do I need to go through the AfC process?

Here are some more details:

In 2018, Morse ran for Congress and lost. The article about her was correctly deleted because running for Congress does not confer notability. From 2019 through 2023 Morse served as the Deputy Secretary for Forest and Wildland Resilience of the California Natural Resources Agency. She was thus a politician who held state-wide office, which confers notability according to WP:POLITICIAN. She was appointed, not elected. I don't know if that matters.

Citations in the article I wrote show that she was the architect of California's wildlife resilience strategy, and that she obtained $2.7 million in state funding for wildlife resilience. See Draft:Jessica Morse. Thiesen (talk) 21:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Holding an administrative position(especially a deputy position, subordinate to someone else) is not the same thing as holding elected office. She would need to meet the broader notable person definition. She certainly may, just saying NPOLITICIAN won't apply. I fixed your link, you needed the brackets. 331dot (talk) 21:12, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

I vote in every California election, and I have never seen any ballot showing someone running for a "deputy secretary" position. That isn't a state-wide office as 331dot said. She's an appointee, basically a government employee. If there is any in-depth coverage about her, then she would be notable, but not by virtue of having that title. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I pointed out that she was appointed, not elected. Thank you for your advice. Thiesen (talk) 21:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Can the PEIS Plan be a notable topic?

I just set up an account on Wikipedia to create a new article about the PEIS Plan and update existing articles to refer to the PEIS Plan. I have a question about the notability of this topic.

I am the author of the PEIS Plan, a novel three-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. I published a book about the PEIS Plan last year just a few weeks before the Hamas attack. Since then, I have written a number of articles on the Times of Israel to expand the PEIS Plan solution to also cover the Israeli-Hamas War.

As a first-time author with limited resources, I am still working to make the world aware of the PEIS Plan. Given the dire conditions in Gaza and the failures of all existing plans over 70 years, this Plan could be the path not taken toward the elusive peace in the Middle East. The global reach of Wikipedia will significantly aid in the awareness endeavor. Docngu (talk) 02:58, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

@Docngu: To be blunt: No, I don't think so. Wikipedia determines notability based on the presence of independent, reliable secondary sources about the subject. So far the only significant coverage of your plan that I could find has been in self-published blogs in The Times of Israel and a press release (both of which are not independent). I couldn't find any coverage elsewhere. Please also see Wikipedia's policy on promotion. C F A 💬 03:22, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Guidelines for subsections vs. paragraph breaks only

Are there guidelines for what constitutes a new subsection?

I added subsections to an article to improve readability, they were removed because they're "not needed" see diff here.

I see that each paragraph should pertain to a single point, but I don't see any guidelines on what constitutes a new section/subsection vs. what constitutes a paragraph.

Thanks! Leirbagflow (talk) 04:21, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

MOS:OVERSECTION: Very short sections and subsections clutter an article with headings and inhibit the flow of the prose. Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheadings. In my view, the operative phrase of Innisfree987's edit summary lies in the latter half: the phrasing is certainly not neutral. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 05:18, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Is anyone here good at WikiProject templates and categories?

Hi all, I've been working on creating assessment categories for WP:WikiProject Numbers, all is working fine for Category:Numbers_articles_by_quality. But I'm having trouble with Category:Numbers_articles_by_importance and Category:Numbers_articles_by_priority - I think I only need one of these, importance or priority. My preference would be the term priority, but the template used is {{Articles by Importance}}. The categories don't seem to be populating as I would expect them to. I changed the {{WikiProject Numbers}} assessment field from priority to importance, in case that was the issue, but that didn't seem to help so I reverted it back. Can anyone with more experience work out what I'm doing wrong? Thanks! Polyamorph (talk) 07:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

P.S. The WP 1.0 bot seems to be doing its thing, but only has "NA" or "other" "importance" columns: User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Numbers Polyamorph (talk) 07:35, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Typhoon images

Likely the same typhoon editor from [2] and [3].

Hello can see images for typhoons on Wikipedia:Files for upload had only 2 images? 122.52.17.109 (talk) 08:02, 17 August 2024 (UTC) That is correct. Were you expecting to see more? Why? What are you trying to achieve that we can help you with? Shantavira|feed me 08:08, 17 August 2024 (UTC) @Shantavira Super Typhoon Dinah surface analysis and Super Typhoon Nina surface analysis. can edit @ChrisWx. see the guide: Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia:Files for upload 122.52.17.109 (talk) 08:15, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Disputing article deletion

An article was being discussed for deletion due to it being highly promotion and extremely non neutral. I urged that we should keep the article instead improve on it. I rewrote the entire article on my free time and feel like the article is much better now and should have its deletion revoked. How do I go on to revoke the deletion discussion?

Link to article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikmat_Zaid Drake Thompson (talk) 08:56, 17 August 2024 (UTC)