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Recent additional content - article getting too big?

I've noticed that recent additions to the article are making it extremely long, and although it is interesting information, I question if it belongs here.

There is a long opening paragraph under "characterizations" that deals with the actors and what they did prior to Star Trek. I'm not sure if it belongs in the article let alone that that section.

The section "character's appearances as cameos on later series" is extremely long and is really pushing the limits as to belonging in this article.

Does anyone want to weigh in/vote on these sections? Akuvar (talk) 15:23, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

article name redux

I'm aware this has been discussed before (scattered around the archive), but there are several problems with the current name that do not seem to have been adequately covered.

First of all, I could not find evidence of widespread support (or even what I would consider an arrival at consensus) for this article name ("Star Trek: The Original Series" as it currently reads) - just some dissent from people wishing to change it, and a couple counter-arguments, but no real serious discussion. If I missed a larger debate, maybe someone could point me to it.

While I would prefer the title "Star Trek (1966 TV series)", I am more concerned with how the article title tends to change the way the series is referred to in other articles. For instance, what brought me here was that I noticed the following in in the Galaxy Quest article: "... George Takei, who played Hikaru Sulu in Star Trek: The Original Series". My first thought was "No he didn't" - I can't describe exactly why, but it was jarring to see it written that way (I would have written "the original Star Trek series"). As a fan, I of course use the abbreviation "TOS" myself, and I'm aware that it appears on plenty of official material (and the DVDs), but in my mind, this is more for disambiguation.

It might also be telling that at startrek.com, TOS is the only series page that does not contain the full subtitle of the series in italics (compare [1] with [2])...

Thoughts? --Fru1tbat (talk) 19:42, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Strong agree. The title of the show is STAR TREK. Period. Full stop. I have no problem with mentioning its nickname in the lede, but the title should reflect what was seen onscreen.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sir Rhosis (talk • contribs) 02:31, 23 July 2013‎

Agree - TOS was coined only after the creation of TNG, The name of "the original series" is Star Trek. Mlpearc (powwow) 04:46, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Strong agree. I'm not entirely sure why a discussion is even necessary. DarrenBaker (talk) 19:04, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not really sure about this. True the name of the series was STAR TREK. However, it has become known as 'Star Trek: The Original Series' by most at this point. The Paramount website also refers to it as ST:TOS. The DVD and Blu-ray discs of the series are titled ST:TOS. It might be confusing to most not to differentiate it from other parts of the franchise. SonOfThornhill (talk) 00:54, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Although the series was called simply Star Trek at the time it was produced, it is now entirely referred to in an official capacity by the copyright holders as Star Trek: The Original Series. In fact, if anything, Star Trek now refers to the 2009 film. Miyagawa (talk) 22:56, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Agree: "The Original Series" is a retroactive name and is essentially fancruft (which Paramount has bowed to). "Star Trek (1966 series)" seems kind of clunky, but at least is better matches the Wiki naming conventions. Ckruschke (talk) 19:03, 12 December 2013 (UTC)Ckruschke[reply]

Strong agree. Actually came into the talk page just to complain that the title should be the actual title of the show, not a common fan based disambiguation. Since just Star Trek alone would be ambiguous that leaves Star Trek (TV Series) or some such. I assume the 1966 is needed due to the cartoon TV series? Fine, just not what it currently is, that's not the name of the series.76.226.120.184 (talk) 05:18, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Going further I think this article should be at Star Trek as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. There can be hatnotes to get to the rest of the franchise. --Trovatore (talk) 01:57, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox image

Is the non-free infobox image replaceable? If not, File:Star Trek TOS logo.svg would be, logically, nothing compared to the title card, right? --George Ho (talk) 20:25, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions for intro

Hi there. I'm new to Wikipedia so I just wanted to leave this here as a note to myself and solicitation of others' thoughts before I go about rewriting the introduction. Here's "my" version:

Star Trek is an American science fiction television series created by Gene Roddenberry that follows the adventures of the starship USS Enterprise (NCC-1701) and its crew. Set during an unspecified time in the future (insert optional note about stardates and 2260s), it centres around Captain James T. Kirk (William Shatner), first officer Spock (Leonard Nimoy), and chief medical officer Leonard McCoy (DeForest Kelley).

The series was produced by Desilu Productions from 1966-67 and by Paramount Television from 1968-69, airing on NBC from September 8, 1966 to June 3, 1969 for a total of three seasons consisting of 79 episodes. It was never a ratings success during its initial run, and only an extensive letter-writing campaign by fans convinced the network to order a third season. However, Star Trek became a cult classic in broadcast syndication. Plans for a continuation of the series in the late 1970s eventually became Star Trek: The Motion Picture, released in 1979. Since then there have been a million spinoffs, and the original series is sometimes known by the retronym Star Trek: The Original Series (Star Trek: TOS or TOS) to distinguish it within the media franchise that it began.

Paragraph about its influence, which should include Roddenberry's vision of the future (Wagon Train pacifism) the interracial kiss and its iconic status (where no man has gone before can go here, although perhaps it's iconic enough to leave in its entirety). This is also where the remastering should be mentioned.

You can see it's as much a to-do list as a rewrite at this point. I'll come back to it and see what others think. By the way, I share your thoughts on the title -- I was going to move the TOS stuff to the first sentence but thought others would object. Cheers, Manbiteswiki (talk) 08:12, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Star Trek: The Original Series → Star Trek (TV series) – Television and per WP: COMMONNAME, WP: CRITERIA, and WP: TITLE, this article should be renamed to acknowledge their original name and not retroactively altered title. Per CRITERIA, it fails to be natural, precise, and concise, and WP: TITLE states "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's 'official' name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." which again would be the original title. Similar titles like Star Wars (film), which were later modified to Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope, acknowledge the original title over the modified one. 75.142.30.100 (talk) 15:08, 3 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]