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@Foorgood: I appreciate that you are fairly new at Wikipedia, but please stop WP:Edit Warring to force your desired edits into this article, which is rated as a Featured Article and thus has very high standards which need to be maintained. As per WP:BRD, it is incumbent on you to convince other editors of your desired changes. If your edits are reverted the first time round, you must then take your concerns to the Talk Page and try to convince others, not simply edit war to push your desired edits through. As per Wikipedia's policies at BRD, it is up to you to revert your additions and try to seek a consensus. Midnightblueowl (talk) 17:55, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We already got consensus on this talk page about the abortion edit with the new source and i followed your instruction to get a reliable source for lenin being the first founder of the soviet union. Which other edit do i not have consensus for that you came to remove after other editors let them remain? Foorgood (talk) 17:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
First, please do not ignore the procedural issue here. As per WP:Bold, Revert, Discuss, you should not have been edit warring to impose your desired edits on the article. You were Bold with your additions, they were Reverted; you should then have brought your concerns to the Talk Page so that we could Discuss them. You should absolutely not have restored them. You appear to be new at Wikipedia, so I and others will probably give you some leeway, but it is imperative that you edit according to the rules. We all have to. Second, all three of the edits which you are repeatedly re-adding involve citations to bare URLs. You have already been asked at your Talk Page not to do this at other pages by User:JBchrch (here), so why are you continuing to do it? Again, it's best to learn the rules and regulations of Wikipedia now so that you won't find yourself clashing with more experienced editors in future. Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:54, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Old text: In Europe, this resulted in the creation of new communist-led states in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, and Ukraine, all of which were officially independent of Russia,[322] while further east it led to the creation of communist governments in Outer Mongolia.[323]
New text: In Europe, this resulted in the creation of new states in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, and Ukraine, all of which were officially independent of Russia,[322] while further east it led to the creation of communist governments in Outer Mongolia.[323]
Comment: These states were not communist-led as that was the point to get rid of communists. Yes, it is true that these countries had some communist thinkers and collaborators but to state communist-led is plain wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paberlennuk (talk • contribs) 19:06, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The text refers to the creation of these states in 1919-20, not to the post Soviet period. So this request misses the point entirely. RolandR (talk)01:16, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Prison or concentration camp
I think it’s a strange use of language to call soviet prison camps “concentration camps”. That is loaded language at the very best. The people put into those prisons were enemies of the regime, not a specific ethnic group with an eye towards genocide. It is true that in a technical sense people were concentrated in the prison camps, but if that is all the phrase means then almost every country has run concentration camps, and america still runs them. When you use language like that people do not think “oh well they must have put a group of people into a camp like a prison” they think “oh so Lenin did the stuff that Hitler did.” It’s a false equivalency. And for an assertion with no cited evidence I would appreciate an actual reason for a reversion, considering that it appears that one person disagrees with that change and there is no talk page asserting that they were in fact concentration camps. Puma6374 (talk) 00:23, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
These were concentration camps. This is already sourced in the article and details can be found in the article Red Terror. And Reds called it as such.
For example Lenin:
«Необходимо организовать усиленную охрану из отборно надежных людей, провести беспощадный массовый террор против кулаков, попов и белогвардейцев; сомнительных запереть в концентрационный лагерь вне города» ("Essential to organize stronger bodyguard of handpicked reliable people, launch merciless mass terror against kulaks, priests, and White Guards. Suspicious individuals to be locked up in concentration camp outside city").
— 9 августа 1918 г. (Ленин В.И. Полн. собр. соч. Т. 50. С. 143-144)
I do not have a firm opinion either way, but I think we should see what term the key Reliable Sources discussing Lenin's government use, and then follow their example. Midnightblueowl (talk) 09:43, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Old and New Style issues
Hey Midnightblueowl, I was reading this and found out there are some calendar issues here. Since this is an FA it might be a good idea to solve these issues in this important article.
First issue here is he was Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the Russian SFSR between 8 November 1917 – 21 January 1924.
This also applies when he was a Member of the Russian Constituent Assembly.
holding a final meeting at the Smolny Institute on 24 October Is this Old or New Style?
attended the Second Congress of Soviets on 26 and 27 October Same as above?
On 7 January 1918, Trotsky returned from Brest-Litovsk to St. Petersburg Same as above?
These are the small issues here. Russia back then still used the Julian calendar which was 12 days behind at the moment. The Old Style and New Style dates article says that Russia still uses it until 31 January 1918. This means not clear whether or not these are written in Julian or the Gregorian calendar?
Is it possible to solve these? MOS:OSNS says "Dates after 4 October 1582 in a place where the Julian calendar was observed should be given in the Julian calendar." which means we should keep mentioning both calenders here I guess. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 11:16, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You make a fair point; this should be clarified in the article. I'll try and look at the sources and get it sorted, but if anyone else reading this can do it before me then that would also be welcome. Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:30, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2021
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This should either read "Simbirsk Classical Gymnasium" or "Simbirskaya Klassicheskaya Gimnazia" ("Симбирская классическая гимназия"). Honestly, it's like every damn English-language article about Russia has to be russified for extra scariness or something. Ouf. 76.69.87.99 (talk) 15:40, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
