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The newly added text here is not very well written and appears not to agree with the information in the relevant article. Reading the material here it sounds like (evil) "Green Peace" [sic] shut the experiment down, while the main article is much more equivocal and suggests that the investigation into ATOC's impacts found that they were minor (despite, as implied here, being stacked with whale-lovers). Perhaps if the newly added text had some sources we'd be able to judge its accuracy? --PLUMBAGO14:12, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Having dug around a bit more, it transpires that, though initially stalled by concerns about cetaceans, the ATOC programme ran from 2002 until 2006 (and produced valuable data for climate change studies). Further, Munk and colleagues even had a big review paper on it just this year ...
Dushaw, B.D., Worcester, P.F., Munk, W.H., et al. (2009). A decade of acoustic thermometry in the North Pacific Ocean. J. Geophys. Res.114, C07021, doi:10.1029/2008JC005124.
This suggests that the recent edits are factually questionable (let alone their tone, which is POV). I'll try to edit the text in the coming weeks to better conform to what actually happened with ATOC. Cheers, --PLUMBAGO09:27, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've not worked for the ATOC project since 1995. The project to which your refer is NPAL, in the North Pacific,
http://npal.ucsd.edu/thermometry/index.htm. The permits allowed a single transmission every 4 days. They were using the same 75Hz source as the original ATOC. As far as being factually correct ... well after reading the crap in the Carl Wunsch biography section I'm simply NOT bothering with crappipedia any more. Do what u like. Ketabatic (talk) 05:03, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I might be a bit too close to this material (conflict of interest), but I've removed paragraphs that were just rather erroneous/inappropriate. It would be quite a bit of work to correct, and it seemed to me that material was a little off the point for this biography. There is a sordid story to tell wrt Munk and the marine mammal people - but I know of no reference that tells it (a paper by John Potter comes to mind [1]). There is a wikilink to ATOC that seems sufficient; accurate, referenced edits there might be more appropriate. NPAL was indeed the successor to ATOC; the two are not unrelated. There are errors throughout wikipedia to be sure, but we strive to work collectively to achieve nonPOV accuracy, however unattainable that may be... And the Wunsch article is indeed rather awful. Bdushaw (talk) 14:42, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Excellent. I think the material that you've deleted was that added by Ketabatic, and that which I was questioning. The sources I subsequently read (including one by a familiar-sounding B.D. Dushaw) pointed to this material being inaccurate, on top of its inappropriate tone. Anyway, glad to have this cleared up. While the article is still less than satisfactory, it's a lot better. Thanks. --PLUMBAGO14:59, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Shutdown of ATOC
HIFT and ATOC were shutdown circa 1992. Green Peace kicked up a stink when one of the geniuses did not understand the the various dB scales used in acoustics. Fed Govt of Australia withdrew its participation, and would not allow Heard Is. to be used. The present Hawaiian "Line" experiments are very limited. The project was under the ownership of the US Navy, as the receivers are still classified. After the media outcry/lunacy, the Navy quashed/hid most of the technical reports. Only one brief reference of this history exists, in a Master's thesis online at MIT.220.244.246.49 (talk)
New URL for "Crafoord Prize Lecture 2010: The sound of climate change"
