Talk:2024 Finnish presidential election

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Mika Aaltola

A lot is being made of Mika Aaltola gaining media attention during the Russia and Ukraine war. It would be good if someone could put in his section of this Wiki page his thoughts and opinions on the war and what he's said he will do about it if he becomes president of Finland. 31.94.62.250 (talk) 17:48, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Eligible candidates

As per today the article is incorrect. Ten candidates, including Paavo Väyrynen have applied to candidate. However, the application of Mr. Väyrynen is not complete, as too few "cards" have been forwarded, but he may add such information until December 20. Thus, he is formally not out of the race. Boberger (talk) 05:22, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He hasn't fulfilled the conditions of candidacy, so as of right now, he is out of the race. In the unlikely situation that this will change, the article may be changed accordingly. Jah77 (talk) 19:54, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

inconsistent party names

The infobox is incredibly inconsistent with naming. On one hand, the majority of the parties are in English, but then the Greens are called "VIHR", a short-hand for it in Finnish. Additionally, Liike Nyt/Movement Now is just "Liik". Why? It should be consistent. Personally, I'd change VIHR to Greens, and Liik to either their full name, Liike Nyt, or its English translation, Movement Now. What do you guys think? Starredlabrador (talk) 22:51, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

An English-language article should use English names, but I can't find a way to change the party names in the infobox. Jah77 (talk) 11:06, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

An English language article should use whatever the common name is in English, which may not be the English translation. We don't call Likud "Consolidation" or Forza Italia "Forward Italy". Party names are stored in the political party modules, so the Green League one would be in Module:Political party/G. Cheers, Number 5 7 15:59, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vihreät isn't really the common name though, people just call them the Greens. At the very least, I think Liike Nyt should be written with it's complete name as it just looks weird Starredlabrador (talk) 20:10, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Independents

Aaltola, Haavisto and Rehn are currently listed as "independent" candidates, but this is actually a misnomer. These three were originally nominated by constituency associations rather than parties, but Haavisto and Rehn do have partisan affiliations (the Greens and the Center Party, respectively), and subsequently received the official nominations of their parties as well. In other words, Haavisto and Rehn represent BOTH a constituency association AND a political party and therefore can't be considered independents the way the term is normally understood. The point being that a constituency association candidate isn't necessarily an independent. Jah77 (talk) 15:24, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@FellowMellow: @Jah77: I agree with Jah77. I'm against the change that was done to make two candidates appear as "independent" when they are members of a party, having even held position in government under those parties. It is highly misleading to label them independent. Yes, they used one of the possible forms to submit a candidacy, through signatures instead of parliamentaries, but that's just that, a form to submit a candidacy. It's not the candidates themselves, who still aren't independent, being members of parties. Cordially.--Aréat (talk) 16:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Number 57: :@Aréat: :@Jah77: I have provided a source, where the candidates have filed as an independents. Just because you’re a member of the party, doesn’t mean that you can’t run as an independent. [1] [2]. That’s why they collected 20,000 signatures for the requirement to register. If they were going from a political party, they would not have to have this. [3].

FellowMellow (talk) 17:43, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know he filled a candidacy through the independent process. My point is that he, himself, isn't an independent, as he's still a member of a party, and a prominent member at that. The way he filled his candidacy is a technicality that can very well be explained in the article, but when a candidate is being labelled "independent" in the infobox and result table, quick readers will think he is, which is misleading. We should show the party of a candidate, it's the least surprising way to have the info. Readers won't suppose it's actually just the process through which he submitted his candidacy, that's a counterintuitive presentation.--Aréat (talk) 18:40, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]