This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.
Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.
When will my nomination be reviewed?
This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first, it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions below).
Where is my hook?
If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.
If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.
Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.
To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:
Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:
Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.
If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.
Advanced procedures
How to promote an accepted hook
At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a prep area
Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed.
Any outstanding issue following needs to be addressed before promoting.
Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
Hook should make sense grammatically.
Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
Wanna skip all this fuss? Install WP:PSHAW instead! Does most of the heavy lifting for ya :)
For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
Check that there's a bold link to the article.
If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
At the upper left
Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
Change |passed= to |passed=yes
At the bottom
Just above the line containing
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insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]
Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.
How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue
Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
View the edit history for that page
Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.
How to move a nomination subpage to a new name
Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.
... that the 1846 book The Stars and World History by Felix Eberty, which contemplated a faraway observer seeing "the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham", inspired a young Albert Einstein?
Source: "By the time that Felix Eberty, a German jurist and amateur astronomer, anonymously published “The Stars and World History,” in 1846, it was well known that light had a finite speed... Eberty was particularly fascinated by what this delay meant for a faraway observer of our planet. Perched on a distant star, he wrote, such a person might “see the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham.” Furthermore, by hopscotching across the cosmos, “he will be able to represent to himself, as rapidly as he pleases, that moment in the world’s history which he wishes to observe at leisure.” Eberty had witnessed great gains in the speed of transportation and communication during his lifetime, and he believed that humanity might soon be travelling even faster than light.
Among the impressionable young Germans who read Eberty and Bernstein was one named Albert Einstein."
The article is sufficiently long and new, has citations throughout, and appears to be written neutrally. I AGF on offline and German language sources. QPQ is done. There is some trouble in the references with a citation template, and then there's the matter of the hook. The hook says Eberty "inspired" Einstein, but the above quote does not verify that, only that Einstein read Eberty. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am going to fix this up a bit more. The article is mostly a translation of the German Wikipedia article. Will be done in less than 24 hours. Thriley (talk) 23:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You aren't. I just went in to check the article myself and you have an error in ref #20. And I strongly suspect that may have been what @Muboshgu: was referring to. And I think that single-sentence paragraph should be merged and the lead lengthened.--Launchballer17:02, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article now says which are considered to have had an influence on Einstein, which is not great. Alt 1 is not either, I'm sure Einstein read a ton of books. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:57, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2... that Felix Eberty, who wrote an 1846 book which contemplated a faraway observer seeing "the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham", was called "an original and ingenious person" by Albert Einstein in 1923? Source: "Albert Einstein wrote a foreword for a new edition in 1923 in which he called Eberty "an original and ingenious person"" New YorkerThriley (talk) 04:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I won't assess any hooks until the article issues are remedied. I will say that ALT2's cruising for a pruning whether it checks out or not.--Launchballer05:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For context, The Times published a piece yesterday morning that directly contradicted my hook, which meant it wasn't accurate (he could afford a chip butty, just a slightly smaller one than usual). I also noticed that the Telegraph did not mention lunch, probably because it was in fact dinner. I will propose some more hooks later, but for now, I got severely carried away expanding the article, meaning that around only three eighths of this has actually been reviewed. This will definitely require a new reviewer. (Incidentally, that "Fighting Against the Elite" video is actually Creative Commons, so I have uploaded it to this nomination.)--Launchballer20:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3: ... that David Fishwick went from a £27.50 a week pebbledashing job to becoming the biggest minibus supplier in Britain?
ALT4: ... that David Fishwick used to stuff his wallet with paper to appear richer to prospective sellers?
ALT5: ... that David Fishwick married his wife after she told him his music was rubbish?
ALT6: ... that David Fishwick decided he no longer wanted to be poor following an incident involving a chip butty?
ALT7: ... that a Times reviewer of Channel 4's Bank of Dave opined that David Fishwick "could have been one of the best comedy characters of 2012"?
... and if "200 characters" wasn't a thing, I'd propose "that David Fishwick'sHow to Get Rich Quick "encourages people of modest means to pursue equally modest dreams in the very modest hopes, several weeks of hard work later, of doubling their modest investments"?.--Launchballer10:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article has tripled in size since LunaEclipse's original approval. This should probably get another review. With the benefit of a few weeks, my preference is ALT6 as closest to the original struck hook.--Launchballer07:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Other problems: - If I understood it correctly, the bank's name is Burnley Savings and Loans, with "Bank of Dave" being just a slogan. If so we should call the bank by its actual name. Also, the previous sentence is 4 lines long.
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
I've cut that long sentence in half; if you see any others like it, point 'em out, because it is a bad habit of mine and this is at GA, so I will be pulled up on them. ALT1a: ... that David Fishwick founded Burnley Savings and Loans after big banks abruptly stopped lending his customers money?--Launchballer20:04, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Passerby comment (this is not a full review, feel free for others to take this nomination to review): to a reader without context not familiar with characters in the show, "Stormfront's lightning" will read weirdly, like a misspelled comment on the brightness of the Stormfront website. "Researched" is also a bit high-falutin', it's not like they actually did some physics research for the episode - the source quotes them as saying "we looked at Nikola Tesla". Maybe something like:
ALT2: that writers for the episode "Over the Hill with the Swords of a Thousand Men" were inspired by the experiments of Nikola Tesla for depicting a lightning attack used by the malicious superheroine Stormfront?
It might be too late by now, I do not know, but ALT 2 sounds fine to me. TarheelBornBred (talk) 1:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
@TarheelBornBred: I am afraid this nomination is ineligible as it does not meet the requirements of WP:DYKNEW, i.e. it was not created, promoted to good article status or expanded fivefold in the seven days leading up to the nomination. If it were to reach good article status then the nomination could be resubmitted. CSJJ104 (talk) 23:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I can determine, all of the edits prior to 3 June were done in draft space, and on 3 June the article was recreated (rather than moved) in mainspace. This would make the "new" date 3 June, and a nomination three days later, on 6 June, would certainly be eligible for DYK. CSJJ104, do you have any evidence to the contrary? TarheelBornBred, is this what happened? I strongly suspect that this needs a full review, and the sooner that can be done, the better. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:04, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BlueMoonset:I finished the draft someone had created and published the article on June 3, and then later the history of the article while it was in draft space was merged into the history of the article after I published it. So, I believe, by your estimation, it should be eligible because it was published in the appropriate window. Thanks BlueMoonset for the oversight. TarheelBornBred (talk) 17:08, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Other problems: - The phrase "experiments undergone by Nikola Tesla" in the article reads to me as if the experiments were performed on Tesla, which I don't think was the intention. Possibly this can be better worded?
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
@Mehedi Abedin and Trainsandotherthings: Much to whinge about here I'm afraid. Only ALT2 passes WP:DYKINT and it would need an end-of-sentence citation in any event. This could still do with a robust copyedit, which I see it's been waiting for. (I tried, but I physically can't read WP:PARAGRAPHs of that length.) Also, big dislike on using a two year old QPQ when we have a heavy backlog, but WP:QPQ specifically states that QPQs do not expire, so I'll take it. This is also long enough, new enough, copyvio-free, and the image is Creative Commons. I think the first two things you need to do are a) give ALT2 and end-of-sentence citation, and b) break up the paragraphs into smaller chunks.--Launchballer10:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I find Alt1 to be the most interesting. I find Alt2 to be confusing. What does Indira Gandhi have to do with the birthday of Rahman? VR(Please ping on reply)13:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Done. Please check the article now. I made the paragraphs smaller except "Bangabandhu's perspective" and "Observances" sections because they are already small. Added end-of-sentence citations for all hook. Let me know if there is anything left to do. Mehedi Abedin14:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dharmadhyaksha: Articles are long enough and were created/expanded within 7 days of submission. Articles are presentable, sourced, and copy-vio free, though I think the election article could use copyediting to make it more readable (missing punctuation, rephrasing to sound more natural, etc.}. Additionally, the hook's claim that Majhi "formed" a state government isn't stated in the source nor in either article. These things would need to be addressed before approval. Kimikel (talk) 19:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kimikel: Some minor copyediting done. Unfortunately i could not fina any glaring copy editing requirements. But you can help, if you think some sentences need tweeking. When a Chief Minister takes oath they form the government. Statesman says the new government is formed and that Majhi is the new CM. I don't see what the confusion here is. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Requesting a second opinion, as I obviously lack knowledge on the workings of Indian politics. Hopefully someone more acquainted with the subject can review this. Kimikel (talk) 20:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for copyediting Majhi. I have copyedited the election article now. You can check it and do minor ce if needed. In a democratic country with regular elections, am not sure how many years of incumbency needs to be turned over to make it "very interesting" for DYK. Do we have a DYK guideline for that somewhere? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 08:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that the character Healie's popularity with players lead to the introduction of monster recruitment in Dragon Quest V, a mechanic that inspired Dragon Quest Monsters?
Comment: It's a little outside the seven days, but my PC was in the middle of being transferred. I considered an ALT, but I felt that any possible ALT would not be as strong as noting the influence of Healie on the direction of the series.
Improved to Good Article status by Cukie Gherkin (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
It's borderline since it's at exactly 200 words, but it might be better for the main reviewer to decide. Given this is your second nomination, the reviewer will probably be lenient about the nomination being slightly late. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have had a look at this as second reviewer now. I understand this is your first DYK nomination, so I would also be inclined to be generous. However, there are unfortunately several issues at once here. It was nominated after deadline, and as the previous reviewer pointed out the original hook was too long. It is still long, and winding, and I am sorry to say not very "hooky". I had to read it twice to fully grasp what it was about. The idea of the hook is to be eye-catching, and I think the current hook fails on this criterion as well. IF you can come up with a punchier hook, I'd be happy to take a second look, but otherwise I would suggest we close this nomination. Kind regards, Yakikaki (talk) 19:31, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Valley Falls train collision in 1853 was one of the earliest train wrecks ever photographed? Source: Reed, Robert (1968). Train Wrecks: A Pictorial History of Accidents on the Main Line. Seattle: Superior Pub. Co. pp. 20–21. Also verified by Heppner, Frank H. (2012). Railroads of Rhode Island: shaping the Ocean State's railways. Charleston, South Carolina: History Press. p. 78
Article was promoted to GA status on time and I did not find any close paraphrasing. QPQ has been done. Since I can't access either source for the hook I'd like to at least see a quote or excerpt that discusses the hook. As for the hook itself, while it meets WP:DYKINT, the footnote supporting it comes at the end of the paragraph where the sentence is rather than the end of the sentence itself. In addition, the hook and the article do not match: the hook says "one of the earliest" but the article outright says "believed to be the first." I understand this is because of the recent issues with "first" hooks, but as it stands, the article cannot run unless that is resolved first. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have access to Train Wrecks right now as I'm in the middle of a move. Heppner says "This was the first train wreck ever to be photographed and printed in a newspaper". I have added an inline cite at the end of the sentence. This is kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation - if we try and run the hook as stated in the sources and article, it will almost certainly be challenged. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 13:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My usual litmus test for "first" hooks is whether there's a finite set of things, making it possible to definitively order them and see which was first. For example, we can be pretty sure George Washington was indeed the first president of the United States; even the most skeptical of us should be willing to accept that there wasn't one before him that we just somehow haven't found yet in a google search. In this case, photography had only existed for about 20 years when this crash happened. The window of when an earlier photo might have been taken is thus limited, so at least this seems likely to be true. On general principles, however, I think we should say "believed to be" or something like that. FWIW, I found mention of this in the George Eastman House 2008 Annual Report which says "[Train wreck on the Providence Worcester Railroad near to Pawtucket], August 12, 1853. Attributed to L. Wright. Daguerreotype. so there may be some uncertainty about the photographer's identity. RoySmith(talk)15:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I generally interpret the phrase "attributed to" to indicate a degree of uncertainty. Thus Read my lips: no new taxes says, "Read my lips: no new taxes" is a phrase spoken by American presidential candidate George H. W. Bush. There's no doubt in anybody's mind that he said it. Millions of people watched him say it live on TV and we've got it on videotape to go back and verify. But Gospel of Matthew says The gospel is traditionally attributed to the Apostle Matthew because we're not 100% sure. I think the same thing is going on here; the Eastman folks believe Wright took the image, but they apparently have enough uncertainty about it that they felt the needs to hedge in their statement. RoySmith(talk)19:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand now. So what we know without a doubt is this collision happened and it was photographed. Photography was very much an emerging technology at this point so I think this is almost certainly one of the first train collisions ever photographed, if not the first. Railroads as we know them only really emerged around 1830 with the Liverpool and Manchester Railway and the Daguerreotype was invented in 1839. It's difficult to definitively prove this was the first photo, but it was almost certainly one of the earliest. The question is how do we word this in the article and in the hook. An ALT1 about the emergence of a very early form of a coordinated time/time zone in the aftermath of this wreck is also possible, as that is somewhat easier to verify. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Trainsandotherthings: As this is your nomination, you will know the contents of this article better than a reviewer. I suggest that you propose an ALT1 along with what you suggest above, or several ALTs, so the reviewer can determine the most interesting ones. Z1720 (talk) 01:47, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ...that the Valley Falls train collision in 1853 led to the creation of the first time zone in the United States? Source: America's First Time Zone, the Harvard Gazette "That first voluntary time agreement among the railroads became mandatory a few years later, after an 1853 wreck occurred outside Pawtucket, R.I., on a blind curve known as the Boston Switch...After that, railroad time was mandated along the region’s tracks...The result of all this, said Galison and Schechner, was America’s first time zone" Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:33, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given the brouhaha about "first" hooks, we will need a much stronger source for the "first time zone" option, or perhaps a revised version that isn't as strong about it being a "first". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is really how to present the hook. We've had issues over "first" hooks for a long while, so if it really is the first we have to be sure that it's right. Otherwise, finding a compromise wording is tricky. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 ... that the 2025 Philippine general election is set to be the first to be held under a new voting system provider after the previous one was disqualified over bribery allegations?
Strongly suggest that "will be" be replaced by "is set to be" or the equivalent. WP:CRYSTAL applies here to a certain extent: something could happen in the Philippines to change next year's election provider between now and then—it might even revert to the previous provider, however unlikely that seems at the moment—and "will be" is a definite prediction of the future while "is set to be" simply says that this is what's expected as of today. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TheNuggeteer: I'll take this one. Long enough, IAR new enough. Hook is short enough, interesting, and cited - though consider replacing 'corruption' with 'bribery'. QPQ unnecessary. However, several sections lack references and in some case lack content and these will need to be remedied before primetime.--Launchballer10:33, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Several sections of Electoral system and I don't see where Congress is cited. I also think Implementation of Miru Systems should be filled out.--Launchballer10:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The only section in Electoral system I see which is not sources is Congress, which I fixed, anyways, Miru systems already has a bunch of subsections, maybe you want text in the actual section? 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗11:31, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Orca Shipwreck, dating from the Late Bronze Age and recently discovered in the eastern Mediterranean, is the earliest deep-sea shipwreck ever found?
According to DYK-check, "Article has not been expanded 5x since it was created". (I haven't checked for copy-right violations). Also, I would have liked to know why it is called the Orca Shipwreck? Huldra (talk) 22:37, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article was created 4 days ago and on the same day i nominated it for DYK. The reason for the name derives from the news articvle staitng it was found next to Israels' Orca gas field. Here is the quote from the article: "While scanning the seabed ahead of developing Israel's Orca natural gas field , Energean observed an anomaly that would change our understanding of ancient navigation skills" Owenglyndur (talk) 07:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New enough and long enough. Hook fact checks out. Nominator was QPQ-exempt. They have been indefinitely blocked for copyvio issues, though Earwig gives a clean bill of health to the existing sources in page, at least in English. Given the nominator's block, I would like this to be double-checked by someone with Hebrew fluency before approval to see if there is copyvio to the Hebrew-language source in this page. I will manage any changes necessary. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:52, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that given the circumstances, a copyvio check of other language sources is essential. Without that, this should not go any further. Schwede6617:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the nominator has been blocked for copyright violations, and no one has stepped forward to offer to check the sources, then I think it's time to close this as unsuccessful. We have enough nominations that this does not have to run. Z1720 (talk) 23:14, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article was recently recreated from a redirect so if tools say this is an old article then that is inaccurate. Thus the article is technically eligible. There are however multiple major issues with the nomination right now. The first is that the article is in need of a copyedit, and second, the hook is too vague and broad to meet WP:DYKINT. It lacks context (it doesn't make it unambiguously clear that the subject is a song), and the "#1 on the popularity charts" claim also lacks context. I should also note that the article isn't more specific about which charts are being referred to here either, so that is also an issue with the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If that's the case then that hook can't run as it won't pass scrutiny on either WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS. A new hook will need to be proposed here, but if one can't, then the nom will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The context of that hook is a bit unclear. Did you mean the song was covered by Kumar and Rafi with the help of AI? Given this is a music-related hook, maybe Launchballer can come up with a clearer and more grammatically-correct wording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just noting that the tools are saying this is an old article because it used to be one; the article was deleted at AfD in 2012. I think the AI stuff takes it over the line in terms of notability.--Launchballer13:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that ToI has a yellow rating at WP:RSP, but the hook's claim seems uncontroversial and not something they likely made up. If there are no other sources that cover that information I don't think it should be an issue to use ToI in this particular case (unless this is one of their paid articles), but to be on the safe side maybe another source should be added to strengthen the claim. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I apologise if my original post was not clear. The two Times of India pieces are currently used to back up a claim of plagiarism and the winning of an award, which I regard as needing stronger sourcing. I have no objection with the Hindustan Times being used for the hook.--Launchballer07:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No further objections from me, although for a low-profile individual like that fan, you probably shouldn't be including their name per WP:BLPNAME. I've removed this for you, and made a few other edits while at it. Also, without evidence that the 'popularity charts' are anything other than Hindustan Times' own chart, that had to come out per WP:SINGLEVENDOR. Passing you back to @Narutolovehinata5:.--Launchballer08:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that an EastEnders storyline depicting Keegan Baker and Shakil Kazemi being stabbed was considered "one of the most important the show has ever embarked on" by executive consultant John Yorke?
Neutral: - Debatable. I don't see a single source that actually agrees that the rifle is actually indigenous, as the Myanma claim. At the same time, I don't see a single Myanma source. I suspect these two issues are related. I understand Myanmar does not have a great media compared to the US and China, but not a single source? Even a government press release? How did the Chinese and English language sources get the information that Myanmar claims the rifle is indigenous?
Overall: * The words "despite" both in hook 1 and in the article seems misplaced. Was made in Myanmar despite claims of being made in Myanmar? Despite claims it was indigenous it was made without license? I think what you're trying to say is something like "is an unlicensed clone despite claims of being made indigenously", which is what Military Today says.
For hook 2, I worry about a Vietnamese source citing Chinese media about a Myanma rifle (for an English language article!). I don't see an article about kienthuc.net.vn, but looking at the site, it seems to have Very Intrusive ads, which at least in the US is usually a sign of low quality. Is it really a high quality source? Any chance we can find the actual Chinese media source they're talking about?
Then there are other issues; you don't technically have to fix all of these, but addressing some might be good.
Lowercase "bullpup" in lede
"The MA designation on the weapon means Myanmar Army"
History: Can you explain that the EMER-K1 was also a QBZ-97 clone? You sort of hint at this but don't say it outright.
" they were reported to be suitable for the Tatmadaw in jungle operations and for use by an average Myanma soldier." Er - what is the difference between the Tatmadaw and an average Myanma soldier? Aren't the Tatmadaw the majority of Myanma armed forces?
@GRuban:: I did most of the editing based on your suggestions. I removed the "despite" part from the article and switched it to another word. And yeah, I'm trying to use something like that based on the MT article. For any Myanma-based article, I could only find those written/uploaded on reddit, facebook or Youtube, either by the pro-Tatamadaw/PDF crowd, which aren't a good source. In addition, the Myanmar Directorate of Defence Industries doesn't put up a website (likely) as part of an effort to mask their production/related info. Some of the info done is based on research done by those who use open source information. While the DDI debuted with new brochures and all in Thailand in 2019, they didn't show brochures for the MA-1 Mk III.
For Chinese articles, I'll try and see if there's anything worthwhile to add. It's the only area that's worth going on. It wouldn't surprise me if it's mostly because the Tatmadaw went behind China's back to clone the QBZ-97 without at least notifying Beijing. It's also likely the only place to go to. Ominae (talk) 02:56, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "Bello said at a news conference that two of the embassy personnel, whom he identified as officers of the Philippine Overseas Labor Office in the Jordanian capital Amman and in Kuwait, were involved in running sex rings in those two places that send Filipinas to service wealthy clients." – Philippine Daily Inquirer
The nominator hasn't edited since July 1st and has not provided a QPQ. Marking for closure as abandoned, without prejudice against it continuing if the nominator returns or another editor adopts this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Narutolovehinata5. If you're wondering why I've not been able to work on this nomination, it's because I am currently in Turkey for work-related travel. I will work on the QPQ within the next 1-2 days, and thank you for your patience. --Sky Harbor(talk)23:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pulled and reopened per query at WT:DYK, this is a fairly unambiguous violation of WP:DYKBLP, "Hooks that unduly focus on negative aspects of living persons should be avoided". Not quite sure why this was approved and promoted. A new hook will be needed, and more generally I wonder if the article itself is compliant with WP:BLPCRIME. The embassy official isn't named, but as a non-public figure we shouldn't have accusations if a conviction wasn't secured. The article doesn't seem to say what the conclusion of this saga was, it's sort of left hanging currently. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 07:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: At WT:DYK, I suggested "that although diplomatic relations between the Philippines and Jordan were established in 1976, the Philippines would not open an embassy there until 1980?", which RoySmith was "fine with running", however you said you didn't think it was "that unusual". What hook would you suggest?--Launchballer12:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be OK with that one. Yeah it's perhaps not the most unusual thing, but this is an embassy - it's hardly going to have anything of earth-shattering about it, other than the BLPCRIME issue already mentioned and which I don't regard as suitable. I'd replace would not open... with did not open... myself, but otherwise fine with LB's suggestion. — Amakuru (talk) 13:09, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, I agree that it's not a particularly exciting hook, but at least it's not categorically unsuitable as the first one was :-) RoySmith(talk)13:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's nothing else I can see in the article that stands out other than maybe it also being in charge of Filipinos in Palestinian territories, or maybe the showing of Filipino films. Maybe the article just isn't a good fit for DYK after all, although given how my comment appears to go against consensus there's not much I can do. I do think that this "we can use relatively uninteresting hooks if there are no other options" thing needs to at best be used sparingly. A bad hook is sometimes worse than not running the article at all, and we have to be more willing to reject nominations that are just bad fits. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can't read Filipino, but the one used for its films has the phrase "Women's Film Week" in its title. Jordan is not a country known for gender equality. What's in that source?--Launchballer14:09, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, everyone. I'm a bit perplexed here as I don't understand how the article as it was originally written violates WP:BLPCRIME, especially given that first, the article isn't about a specific living person (the normal scope of BLP-related policy), and second, the incident in question caused quite a response in the Philippine media and by politicians in the Philippines. Given that worse things have happened, such as a similar incident at the Philippine Embassy in Damascus (which, by the way, made it to DYK with a hook pointing out that incident), I don't understand how this is suddenly seen as being non-compliant when the other one was. I am all for finding alternative hooks where they can be found, but excising the information from the article given that it is relevant to the history of the mission itself boggles me.
I should also note that while not included in the original version of the paragraph "excised" by RoySmith, the diplomat himself has been named in the press – as seen here in an article in the Pilipino Star Ngayon (in Tagalog/Filipino) – and more information about the conclusion of the probe can be included in the article as opposed to removing it entirely. --Sky Harbor(talk)17:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The gist of WP:SUSPECT is editors must seriously consider not including material ... that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured.RoySmith(talk)20:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Having done some additional digging, RoySmith, the diplomat in question was suspended, and was also not given a new foreign assignment. Given this new information I'll proceed with restoring the information you removed from the article, adding the new information found here, and hopefully this is sufficient to proceed with the DYK for this article. --Sky Harbor(talk)20:56, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, my objection with the 1980 hook proposal is like this. First, establishing diplomatic relations does not necessarily mean the opening of an embassy. Indeed, the Philippines has relations with almost every nation on Earth, but it doesn't mean that it has an embassy in all of them. In fact, there are other countries that the Philippines has long had relations with but has yet to establish an embassy there. And a gap of four years isn't really that impressive: longer gaps are not unheard of even for other countries. In any case, if a new hook cannot be proposed then unfortunately the nomination will probably have to be marked as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:16, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given that the objection to the original hook has been addressed in the article (there was a finality to the case which has since been added), Narutolovehinata5, would it be better to rewrite ALT0 as follows (as ALT2)?
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...that while a diplomat at the Philippine Embassy in Amman was implicated in a sexual exploitation scandal, he was ultimately suspended on unrelated charges?
”
This may be a bit longer than the hook length requirement but I'm open to any revisions that can be made to reduce the length. --Sky Harbor(talk)12:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that after former Philippine President Ramon Magsaysay's plane launched from Lahug Airport, he had a plane crash which ultimately ended his life? Source: [2]
Interesting: - Neither hook is particularly interesting to a broad audience. The papal mass at the airport sounds far more interesting.
QPQ: - Still needed. Overall: Went ahead and copyedited the article, but it seems to have brought it below the length requirement after removing some filler. SounderBruce01:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"PacificWrecks.com" does not exactly scream "reliable". The CDN piece seems to be an opinion/contributor reflection rather than a proper news article. I imagine a papal mass would have plenty of coverage, no? SounderBruce02:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SounderBruce: PacificWrecks seems pretty popular and reliable, but in case, I found this website, which seems like a copy of a book? And the other statement about the CDN piece, yes, It seems like that, but they would not change the facts, since they are one of the most reliable sources in Cebu City. And the 3rd and last statement, yes, It feels like that, but it was pretty old, so im not sure about the last one. Thanks, 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗04:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter that it isn't deprecated. It matters that its reliability has been questioned, and I'm looking for a strong rationale as to why it is being used.--Launchballer22:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on it then. My gut says that it isn't strong enough for the claims it's making. You do still need a grammatically correct hook.--Launchballer19:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Better, although MOS:CONTRACTIONS forbids words like 'wasn't', and I'd also trim it at 'shot' per WP:DYKTRIM, like so: ALT1a: ... that the 2005 Hindi-language song "Dus Bahane" was not supposed to be shot?. I note that the source says 'shot' as well, so AGF that this is acceptable in Indian English and call for another reviewer.--Launchballer07:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lajmmoore: Love this! New enough, long enough, Earwig comes up clean, no image, QPQ has been done, and hook is damn interesting. Unfortunately, visityerevan.am, farusa.org, hamazkayin.com, armeniadiscovery.com, thecaucasustours.com, and evnmediafest.com are not reliable sources. Once those are replaced or removed, I can go ahead and pass this. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is an image now, and I think there might be WP:FOP problems. Also, "first" is going to be very hard to verify, as we can't rule out there being an earlier, smaller museum in a distant country the authors of the sources never heard of. Bremps...10:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
comment RE: image - the file name states the painting was done by Ruben Igityan, who was the son of Henrik Igityan. He died in a plane crash in 1975 with his mother. Henrik would therefore inherit the rights? I assumed that since Henrik is still involved with the NCA, and the image was donated as part of a partnership, that the licensing was OK. Lajmmoore (talk) 22:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lajmmoore: I still see some unreliable sources, and that the Centre itself is being used to support controversial claims. I don't think ALT1 communicates anything more interesting that the name already implies – sure, someone said it's a children's art gallery and that it's surprisingly good. One person saying that doesn't make it all that intriguing, I would think. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: I think I quite liked the hook, because I don't think most people would automatically think children's art was beautiful?! (it did have a grammer mistake in that I removed now)- I'll look at the rest later on :) Lajmmoore (talk) 16:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All right, fair enough. But the hook can't be phrased in wikivoice, so we'll need an ALT that provides some attribution. Let me know when the other changes have been made :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Theleekycauldron: - I've added a couple of new citations and trimmed the NCA ones now - I don't think they support anything contentious, just numbers of artworks. I've also toned down the "world's first"-ness. In terms of an ALT2, how about:
@Lajmmoore: I've removed some of the references, so the article looks fine now – i didn't catch earlier that the quote is from the director of the museum, and now I feel uncomfortable approving it. if it were from an independent source, i might've gone ahead, but i'm a bit concerned about puffery now. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 09:30, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT4 ... that the founding of Yerevan Children's Art Gallery led to the development of a national aesthetics centre? Garoian, Charles R. (1994). "Teaching Art as a Matter of Cultural Survival: Aesthetic Education in the Republic of Armenia". Journal of Aesthetic Education. 28 (2): 83–94. doi:10.2307/3333273.
... that a scrapped song from SZA's second album was supposed to be on her next one, but when the song was leaked she had to scrap it again?
Source: * "'Joni' is on it. Well, they leaked it, so I wasn't gonna put it on there. I guess I should still… but they leaked it already." (Variety); "'So we'll make this really simple. Y'all leaked 3 songs from the deluxe. Atp y'all can keep the throw aways and leaks,' she tweeted, as reported by Variety. 'I'll be starting LANA from scratch do not ask me about it again.'" (Complex)
Reviewed:
Comment: Clarifying that it was scrapped from the third album; latest updates from SZA suggest "Joni" might be on the second album's deluxe. Open to any suggestions.
Moved to mainspace by PSA (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 22 past nominations.
Page is long enough, new enough, hook is cited, and the hook is interesting. This all seems good, except I don't see a QPQ done. A review of another DYK is still needed! Di (they-them) (talk) 04:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It has been over a week since the QPQ was requested without it having been completed, which is by itself grounds for closure; it's also been four weeks since the nomination was made. Hope PSA completes it very soon if they want this nomination to proceed! BlueMoonset (talk) 20:06, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Robert Smith's demo vocals for "Not in Love" were so captivating that Crystal Castles canceled their studio recording plans to keep his original demo in the final track?
I disagree with a merge as this version got coverage of its own for being its own thing. It certainly meets WP:NCOVER ("Notable covers are eligible for standalone articles, provided that the article on the cover can be reasonably detailed based on facts independent of the original"). I think this is a valid case of having a separate article. Skyshiftertalk18:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess. Not that it's your problem, but the original's really short and I'd question its notability. Might redirect it to your article and see if anybody whinges. Full review needed.--Launchballer18:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In addition to the original source, I added another (the NYT link) that directly attributes the merchandise sales to Brandiose's rebrand. Kimikel (talk) 12:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kimikel:: Is Brandiose responsible for the name change/rebrand? If so, perhaps you could remove "design" from the hook, maybe that would work better?
@GoldRomean: The name itself was chosen by a fan poll. Brandiose was responsible for the design of all the branding. Based on that, if there's a better way to phrase that part of the hook, I'd have no problems with it. Kimikel (talk)
@Kimikel: What about "... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas helped the team sell $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?" But I'm still hesitant... I'll leave for more experienced DYK people. GoldRomean (talk) 00:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I agree. Proposing:
ALT1: ... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas helped the team sell $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?
@Z1720:@Kimikel: Apologies, I wrote a reply, probably forgot to publish it, and forgot about this till now. I think there needs to be better sourcing for the alt, like, a source that more directly backs up the hook. I want a second opinion anyway, but that's just my two cents. Sorry again :D. GoldRomean (talk) 22:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TheNuggeteer: New enough and long enough. Nominator is QPQ-exempt. Can't view the source. I do have an issue with the wording in the hook. Article says he founded Wa Yan with 3,000 pesos, sold it, and then founded Ling Nam (no peso number given). This needs reconciling with the hook fact. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies — I have had a hectic month, and small items are especially prone to just falling off the table. It's...okay, though I feel it is something of a stretch. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm a few days tardy with the nom because I forgot to get it done before going out of town for the weekend, but it got to size in the time period.
Overall: Can you identify the source(s) for the hook and cite the relevant excerpt(s). Very likely I missed it among the multiple cites for that sentence. Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 19:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will look at this today. I didn't write that part of the article and I didn't check it before my nom. I may have to rewrite and provide a new hook. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Updating you here Bagumba, I should have taken more time to verify this myself before nominating, but I was traveling over July 4. Not an excuse. His website says as collectors ourselves who have sold over $2B in collectibles, which of course won't verify our hook. I can't otherwise find "$2 billion". I will rewrite the article this weekend, culling low quality sources and adding a couple of better ones I've found, and propose a solid hook. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Muboshgu: The lead conflicts, saying that it's the company with $1.3B: ... his company, Goldin Auctions, which has sold $1.3 billion in memorabilia related to sports, history, and pop culture. The body is also ambiguous with "Goldin" (i.e. Ken Goldin or Goldin Auctions?) whether it's him or the company w/ $1.3B: In 2012, Goldin established Goldin Auctions.[ Goldin has auctioned more than $1.3 billion worth of collectibles, including sports memorabilia and historical artifacts.—Bagumba (talk) 22:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that prior to being appointed as mayor of Guangzhou, Sun Zhiyang worked as a senior engineer and deputy general manager of the Chinese state-owned automobile manufacturer FAW Group?
Article is long enough and new enough. Article is presentable, sourced, and free from copyvio. Hooks are interesting enough and sourced using Chinese sources (hence the good faith). Some sources are state-sponsored (i.e. Xinhua) but acceptable. QPQ done. Thank you for your nomination Toadboy123! Kimikel (talk) 01:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Belgian hardcore DJ Liza 'N' Eliaz(pictured) was named a "spiritual leader" in France's free party movement? Source: "...who had carved out her name as a hard trance and techno champion. Such was the regard held for her that she was considered one of the spiritual leaders of the free party movement in France, even though she was Belgian."James, Martin (2022-06-15). French Connections: Daft Punk, Air, Super Discount & the Birth of French Touch. Velocity Press. ISBN 978-1-913231-30-9.
Source: "His explanation of the change [in instrumentation] was idiosyncratic, to say the least. According to him, his change of heart had not been dominated by artistic considerations at all, but purely practical concerns. "Do you want to know why I wrote a piano part into the quartet? I did it so that I could play it myself and have a reason to go on tour to different towns and places. So now ... the Beethoven Quartet, who get to go everywhere, will have to take me with them, and I will get my chance to see the world as well!" We both laughed. "You are not serious?", I said. Shostakovich replied: "Absolutely! You are a dyed-in-the-wool stay-at-home, but I am a dyed-in-the-wool wanderer!" (Story of a Friendship: The Letters of Dmitry Shostakovich to Isaak Glikman, 1941–1975, p. xxxiii)
ALT1: ... that the Piano Quintet by Dmitri Shostakovich(pictured) has been called "the most expensive piece of chamber music ever composed"? Source: [10]
ALT2: ... that encores of parts from the Piano Quintet by Dmitri Shostakovich(pictured) were requested so often that wags took to calling it "a piece in five movements of which there are seven"? Source: [11], p. 43
@CurryTime7-24: Beautiful expansion! I listened to the quintet while I reviewed — such a lovely piece deserving of this amount of detail. The recent 5x is eligible, boasts more than adequate sourcing, and doesn't raise any significant copyvio issues. Some small style issues therein that I would recommend you or another editor walk through at some point. Hook-wise, I would say ALT0 is a little misleading as phrased since he initiated the piano quintet with the intention of traveling to perform the piece, not compose it. You could clarify it or go with ALT1, which is more straightforward. This should be good to go once a QPQ is provided. Spaghettifier (talk) 20:17, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Spaghettifier: Regarding your quibble with ALT0, how about...
ALT3: ... that Dmitri Shostakovich(pictured) said he composed his Piano Quintet because he wanted a reason to travel and "see the world"? Source: Story of a Friendship: The Letters of Dmitry Shostakovich to Isaak Glikman, 1941–1975, p. xxxiii
I'll be picking this up for review, but before doing so I need some clarifications. The hook claims that the policy was challenged; however as far as I can tell it hasn't been tested in court yet, and the given source is more of an analysis about its constitutionality rather than any actual decision or lawsuit. The current hook wording might be too vague to meet scrutiny; perhaps attributing the challenge to the ACLU, or maybe changing the wording would address this concern. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It can get a little vague. A lot of articles bring up that these policies "are in a legal gray area", "have been opposed by advocacy groups", and that these analyses have been written, but no formal challenge was made. Here's an alternate (that may be a bit less exciting):
The article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination, and everything is cited in the article and verified. I did not find any close paraphrasing. The nominator still has less than five nominations so no QPQ is required. ALT1 is okay (cited inline, AGF due to being paywalled for me), but I'd like to see some additional proposals as well. In addition, while not necessarily a DYK issue, I do note that the article is US-centric and does not mention if similar policies exist outside the US, so that may need to be addressed if sources about the practice outside of America exist. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't been able to find any information about such policies that exist outside the US. I added a short subheading that points out there is little reporting and any mention of curfews in reference to a mall is due to a curfew that affects a whole population and isn't enacted by the mall itself. Reconrabbit15:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Consider also ALT2 ... that mall curfews in the United States have been used since 1996 with the intent of curbing the "unruly" behavior of teenagers?
I thought I replied to this but I guess not. I am finding it hard to find a source that discusses the non-existence of this kind of policy outside of the US. If that causes this article to be ineligible for DYK then so be it. Reconrabbit01:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that following the 1972 FA Cup final at Wembley Stadium, Norman Hunter went to the Royal Box twice: once to receive his own medal, and again to help an injured teammate receive his? Source: [3]
ALT2: ... that a schoolteacher tried to make left-footed footballer Norman Hunter play right-footed? Source: [4]
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by PearlyGigs (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
The third paragraph under Career needs a citation at the end. The LinkedIn source can only be used if it specifically references who referred to him as playing the saxophone within the article. However, that is clunky, and I recommend removing the source entirely. Why do you need four references for that one fact? It can be knocked down to one source. Otherwise, the article is long enough, new enough, and neutral with no copyright violations. SL93 (talk) 22:10, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the third paragraph under Career, I relied on sources within the linked articles, i.e. match reports for the matches Chilowicz refereed. His name appears in the linked articles next to a "Report" link that I figure to be the sources for these statements. I suppose I can just use those same sources in this article, but I thought that would likely be superfluous. US Referee (talk) 20:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
US Referee It looks good except for one issue. The source does not say that he "refereed his first competitive match between senior national teams". If that cannot be sourced, it can also be removed from the article and then I can approve it. SL93 (talk) 21:01, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
SL93 I thought this could be inferred by the fact that Chilowicz's international experience was strictly with CONCACAF and there is no counter-example, but I understand your point. Chilowicz's page at Soccerway (heretofore linked in External links) does indicate that this was his first and only such match. I've added it as a reference after that sentence. US Referee (talk) 21:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article is newly created (converted from redirect) and long enough. QPQ has been done. The six sources in the article are reliable (ESPN) or from official press releases. But there are a couple of copyvio concerns, especially phrases like "selected by MLS commissioner Don Garber", "was created on May 13", "appeared in at least 50 percent" which can be further reworded. Personally I find the ALT1 hook more interesting, especially on its focus on the bolded article.--ZKang123 (talk) 02:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ZKang123: Some of those phrases are common descriptors that cannot be reworded without misleading readers. I reworded the "May 13" one, but the others are criteria that are very difficult to reword without changing their meaning. SounderBruce19:25, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that architect John Henry Hirst was found at the bottom of the stairs at home, with a broken neck?
Source: "The late Mr J. H. Hirst". Western Daily Press. 8 July 1882. p. 5 col.8. "(Inquest report:) Death resulted from an accident at his residence ... Death was the result of a dislocation of the neck caused by an accidental fall downstairs".
New enough in mainspace and plenty long enough. QPQ present. Must AGF on British Newspaper Archive hard-paywall reference. No quoting issues. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:53, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will not be reviewing this nomination, but isn't covering songs a really common thing for a band to do, especially songs from famous bands? Bremps...12:24, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Adequate sourcing: - Opening paragraph contains multiple statements which are uncited anywhere in the article, e.g. the list of band members or the identity of their producer.
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
QPQ: None required.
Overall: I reviewed all proposed hooks and only Alt2 would be acceptable at present. Alt1 would fail as the number of songs does not appear with a citation in the article, and I would in any case be worried they may release more songs before this is hook appears on the main page. The original hook fails as not all of these bands are mentioned as having been covered by the Linda Lindas.
Earwig did highlight some similarities and while we should be careful of this, in this case they appear to be incidental, e.g. they consist of common words or phrases which could not be easily avoided without the result reading oddly. I personally would not fail a review for this in this case, but it may be worth addressing in case the promoter feels differently.
I assume good faith on the non-English source provided for Alt2.
Ok, i've updated the template with the corrected source for the first one (I guess I mixed up the two scientific american articles, I think they bothy say that GPT-3 releases 552 metric tons of Co2, but only one talks about the comparison to cars. Thanks for catching that! Also fixed ALT1, thanks for fixing that as well! Apologies for incorrect info, I'll try to read a bit slower with these articles. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 21:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't dig to hard on that spammy site earlier, sorry. I agree that they stole from enwiki and not the other way around. All three hooks are good to go. I think ALT0 is the most compelling. awkwafaba (📥) 01:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. The sourcing for the release of CO2 by a lot of AI models is well established, and it was a news item last week that Google's emission had increased by 50% or something cuz of their big AI push. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 23:03, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Specifically, I am a little concerned that statistics-heavy topics like this, when they're directly related to buzzwordy trending topics in the news cycle, tend to be very ill-suited to being patched out from headlines. That is to say, writing the shark attack and dog attack based solely on news coverage would give the impression that these were both uncommon things that do happen every once in a while, when in reality the yearly rates are eighty versus several million. This article quotes a bunch of figures from news stories back-to-back, and there doesn't really seem to be much attempt at comparison or context. For example, there is a paper cited that projects 85-143 TWh of global power consumption from neural networks by 2027, based on a conjectural optimistic scenario where NVIDIA/TSMC transition their entire manufacturing output to A100s (all of which are installed in data centers and used for nothing but LLM inference). By comparison, this paper estimated that video gaming consumed 34 TWh/year in the United States alone in 2019; this document from the DoE says that aluminum production in the US in 2000 consumed a total of 279.2 TWh/yr. The US consumes about 16% of the world's electricity, so a very rough approximation here would give a ballpark estimate of 212.5 TWh for gaming (the US does about 2% of aluminum production worldwide, giving us around 13960 TWh yearly for global aluminum production). It also seems like there is a lot of ambiguity between training (a fixed cost, as models are only trained once) and inference (the process that happens when running the model, which typically requires billions or trillions of times less computation). I am somewhat worried about having this on the front page. jp×g🗯️23:45, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
you are literally using us energy gov stats to WP:SYNTH a whataboutism argument… by the same logic, the criticism section of any industries environmental impact can be called misleading because theres always another more polluting industry you can point to. the comparison you suggest is “missing” is literally that training ChatGPT training took as much energy as 123 gasoline powered cars yearly footprints. and suggesting that including examples from news articles headlining the carbon footprint is a bad thing for wikipedia is inane. most articles on here use secondary souces such as news articles. and most DyK hooks are eyecatching Bluethricecreamman (talk) 00:34, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the specific task of literally writing an encyclopedia article about a topic, I would say that answering questions like "why is this statistic relevant" or "what does this number mean" is probably its most important purpose. I gave a couple examples to illustrate what this looks like, obviously there is no reason why aluminum manufacturing in particular is more relevant than anything else. The most appropriate source here would likely be something like a textbook or monograph about electrical consumption by various industries, and how this related to environmental concerns in general. Since this is a subject of rather large significance, it is important that our writing on it be accurate, and not news. I am opposed to running stuff on the main page where vague insinuations are made by factoids of unexplained significance -- e.g. what's a terawatt-hour? what's a gram of CO2? why are some figures given in one and some as the other, and still others given in folksy derivative units like average midsize sedan gasoline consumption rates over average suburban commutes? jp×g🗯️01:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moreover, ALT0 is not supported by the source. Indeed, OpenAI's well-known sleazy refusal to be transparent about any of its operations or research means that the source cannot say that, because the source does not know. The figure claimed as fact in this hook is, in the source, carefully and explicitly presented as an approximate figure derived by estimation (it's from https://arxiv.org/abs/2104.10350 -- note the methods they are using). jp×g🗯️01:16, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not arguing these bad faith arguments after this. The source link is literally right there for anyone to read. There are three links I cite with the 552 metric tons figure in the article. Most of the "environmental impacts of" are similar collections of "factoids" discussing various industry leaders. And by your logic of WP:NOTNEWS, we should remove most news articles discussing long term trends in any industry. WP:NOTNEWS specifically states no original reporting on wikipedia (we don't report the news ourselves, we cite it), and calls for enduring notability of information (we don't do an article if its just one or two articles). if you find a reputable source arguing that this is a false number or a false comparison, feel free to edit the article. I respect your work as an admin, and your experience, but this is silly. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 01:35, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article is new, long enough and neutral. It cites sources inline. "Earwig's Copyvio Detector" reports very few text similiarity commenting "violation unlikely". The hokk is well-formatted and interesting. Its length is within limit. Its fact is accurate, however, a reference is needed directly at the end of the sentence in the article. No QPQ is required for the nominator. I will approve after the reference issue is addressed. CeeGee15:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I added the missing citing by myself because there wa no reaction in couple of days, and the issue was minor. I guess the issue was not understood. Anyway, it is now fine. Good to go. CeeGee03:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Hadriana in All My Dreams, published in 1988, was the first novel by a Haitian author to win a major French literary award?
Source: Chaulet Achour, Christiane (2013). "Prix littéraires et réception de la littérature haïtienne" [Literary prizes and reception of Haitian literature]. In Brodziak, Sylvie (ed.). Haïti. Enjeux d'écriture. Littérature Hors Frontière (in French). Saint-Denis: Presses universitaires de Vincennes. pp. 187–213. doi:10.3917/puv.brod.2013.01.0187. ISBN 978-2-84292-359-4.
ALT1: ... that Hadriana in All My Dreams, published in 1988, was the first novel by a Haitian author to win one of the major French literary awards? Source: ibid.
@Schwede66: the passage shows a table of Haitian writers that have won one of the six awards with dates and names of the authors. I'm struggling to reproduce the table, since every time I do so, the DYK template throws an error. Jaguarnik (talk) 23:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jaguarnik: You should try replacing the vertical bars with |, like so:
I was going to say that PS should come out together, although checking WP:RSN, there isn't really a consensus, and this isn't really contentious. I'd be inclined to let it slide but I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on it. Full review needed.--Launchballer09:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You could practically cut the source without having to remove much of anything from the article (terminology of "party fingers" aside), so I don't think it's something to be especially concerned about. Sourcing the DYK to the LA Times instead does seem prudent, but I don't think it's a dealbreaker either way. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 02:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll take this; it's my first time doing a DYK review, so if I mess anything up I do apologize. The article is new enough, long enough, has no apparent copyvio or neutrality issues, and the citations all seem fine barring the Popsugar situation that as stated isn't overly concerning. QPQ isn't necessary. I think the hook needs work though. Whilst the core of the fact is clearly established by the sources and obviously interesting, the wording isn't sufficiently clear. I understand the usage of "queer" for inclusiveness, but as it currently reads absolutely no association with sapphism or women whatsoever is implied. Any reader coming across this would be left to think gay men, asexuals, or straight transgender individuals cut their nails short as lesbian women. Given the entire point of the topic is its connection to lesbian and sapphic culture, that is a fundamental issue.
Beyond this, I have some comments about the article itself. I'm not sure if I'm perhaps stepping beyond what is expected of a DYK review here, but at worst they can't hurt:
The article is named "Queer manicure", but the opening sentence treats "Lesbian manicure" as the primary name and puts the former term in the parentheses. I again understand why there's a flux between terms (anecdotally, I always knew them as just "lesbian nails") and the sources seem to go back and forth on what to call them, but it seems sensible the body and title agree on which one to lead with.
I'm not convinced "party fingers" is terminology of sufficient note to be included here. It's mentioned a single time in one source (in a direct quote, no less), and no search combination of "party fingers" with relevant terms like manicure, penetration, lesbian, or queer seems to bring up anything remotely relevant to the subject (concerningly, that last one brought up this very article). The second use in the article, "party fingers" style of manicure, makes up an association between the "party fingers" terminology and the manicure itself never invoked in the cited source (which only ever treated it as a term for the fingers).
Based on my reading of the article (and granted, I know nothing about Euphoria), I'm not sure the statement about Natalie Minerva as correct. The article reads as if she did a lesbian manicure for the show Euphoria, but the source seems to say that she was the nail artist for Euphoria and, separately, gave Barbie Ferreira a lesbian manicure which was posted to Instagram.
Most of these are pretty small nitpicks, and I don't think I'd hold the nomination back over all of them, but it would be nice to see them addressed. Either way though, it's very nice to see an article on this classic piece of sapphic culture created and I'd love to see this on the front page once the hook and article issues can be ironed out. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 02:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed the points I'd consider to be minor nitpicks and left a couple I do think should be addressed as they concern the factuality of the article. Apologies for going overboard. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 00:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that petite soprano Grace Panvini stood 4 foot 11 3/4 inches tall; a height which one reviewer described as an asset for appearing youthful on stage?
For the review calling her short stature an asset for appearing youthful: Alice Eversman (August 12, 1942). "Rigoletto Brings Singers to Water Gate". Washington Evening Star. p. 45.
Comment regarding the article title – MOS:ELLIPSIS says: Generally, use a non-breaking space before an ellipsis, and a regular space after it. The article title does not have a space before the ellipsis and I see no good reason why the space should not be there. Let's clear this up before it goes to the main page; wouldn't want to see this being moved whilst it is on the main page. Schwede6605:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: I would assume that MOS:ELLIPSIS is referring to how to write prose, not article titles. I can't find precedent that we conform ellipsis spacing to the MOS in titles. Here are some examples I found:
Thanks for the review. It is sourced, to Tangari 2015 (pitchfork). It is not common practice nor practical to have an inline citation on every personnel entry. I thought keeping it in plain-text rather than a citation allowed for better legibility. Let me know if there is a policy that disallows this formatting. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 19:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that David Gillespie was the chief surveyor to Andrew Ellicott on the commission to determine the thirty-first parallel? Source: Holmes, Jack D. L. (April 1966). "The Southern Boundary Commission, the Chattahoochee River, and the Florida Seminoles, 1799". The Florida Historical Quarterly. 44 (4): 312–337. JSTOR30147229.
Reviewed:
Created by Aneirinn (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
: Article is new enough, and long enough, and predominantly soured with public domain content so no apparent copyright issues. However, I find none of the hooks interesting to a wide audience (an increasingly common issue with DYK). And despite the article title, no reliable sources seem to use the middle initial "B.": where does this come from? And spot checking sources, Battle 1890 does not seem to have a page 170, nor mention David Gillespie anywhere. --Animalparty! (talk) 16:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops I used the wrong book as the source. The source I was using had combined the two books in one pdf and I had missed that. Also, concerning his middle name, I suppose you are saying that "Death at Red Springs". The Weekly Star. Vol. XXIX. Wilmington, North Carolina: North Carolina Newspapers, Digital North Carolina. June 10, 1898. p. 1. is not a reliable source for this? If so, could you please clarify if that is correct? Aneirinn (talk) 18:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dr. David B. Gillespie (February 24, 1815–January 2, 1905), who attended the Medical College of South Carolina, [Source:Catalogue of the Students Attending Lectures in the Medical College of the State of South Carolina, Session 1837–'38. Charleston: James S. Burges, 85 East-Bay. 1838. p. 6 – via Medical University of South Carolina, Waring Historical Library.] was a son of Major David B. Gillespie. [Source:"Descendants of David Gillespie"(PDF). NCGenWeb.] I think it is likely that the writer of the twice-published obituary wrote 'Major' David B. Gillespie for a reason, and that Dr. David B Gillespie is named after his father, which would have them both with a middle names that start with the letter 'B'. This point of contention is not really an issue; however, I find it hard to believe that people would find the initial proposal or ALT1 dull or uninteresting. It is significant and interesting that, according to Kemp P. Battle, David B. Gillespie was the first person granted a document in the form of a diploma from the University of North Carolina, the oldest public university to confer degrees in the United States. This would also make David B. Gillespie the first person in the United States to receive a document in the form of a diploma from a public university. If more alternative hooks are necessary, I'm willing to provide additional options. Aneirinn (talk) 02:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that Anna DeShawn said she fell in love with radio because she could "talk to thousands of people and make an impact while wearing sweatpants"? Source: https://chicagoreader.com/city-life/meet-anna-deshawn-of-e3-radio-and-the-qube/ She eventually found her niche when, as a student at Drake University, she landed an internship for the popular radio show Tom Joyner Morning Show. “I realized I could talk to thousands of people and make an impact while wearing sweatpants. I thought, ‘This is the life.’ And so I fell in love with radio.”
Reviewed:
Created by CaptainAngus (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Well sourced, couldn't find any copyright violations
CaptainAngus, it should be good to go. I personally prefer ALT0 because it gets right to the most interesting aspect. I'm personally not a fan of "a person said something" style hooks. And side note, while this isn't a DYK issue, you might also consider reformatting the "career and activism" section a little bit so it doesn't seem like a timeline. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:39, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Drive-by nom. Some editors are allergic to "first" hooks, but as there is only a finite number of MPs and all of their ages are in the public domain I think we're safe.
Comment only. It's interesting that you say that all of their ages are in the public domain. I spent a few hours yesterday clearing Results of the 2024 United Kingdom general election by constituency of dozens of links to disambiguation pages. Very, very few of the new MP bios included a year of birth. I don't doubt that The Guardian has got its facts straight, but I do doubt that your statement holds true. If it was true, those bios would presumably have included birth years. Schwede6605:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, that was a very clumsy way of putting that. I meant that all of the information would have been available to the Guardian for them to fact-check their claim (especially given that baby of the House is a thing). It's very unlikely someone else is going to sprout up and prove us wrong.--Launchballer19:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: The Guardian's just published an article saying that two further MPs were 24 at the time of election, and sniffing around some less than reputable sources (the @Tomorrow'sMPs Twitter account, which appears to be operated by Michael Crick) says that both Josh Dean (politician) and Euan Stainbank were born in 2000. It would appear that Carling's constituency declared first, but I'll do a deep dive into live results when I'm finished with Dead Pony. I do note that the Guardian has not retracted the article cited on this page.--Launchballer15:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to the Economist, Stainbank's Falkirk declared at 3:47, Dean's Hertford and Stortford declared at 4:03, and Carling's North West Cambridgeshire declared at 5:59. However, I did some further digging, and it turns out I've got the start of the 21st century wrong as there is no year zero in the Anno Domini system. So I am right, but not for the reason I expected.--Launchballer18:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably because there were no hooks on the page for me to review and because I was explicitly invited to propose one - the only valid hook on that page is ALT2, which is my hook. Reviewers often propose new hooks and call for new reviewers, I fail to see the difference.--Launchballer16:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just to preempt a possible 'it's been a week without a QPQ' comment, my view remains that the provided QPQ is valid, on the grounds that the only hook on the page was mine, and I consider this no different to a reviewer saying 'this hook would be better, someone else needs to approve it'. I don't plan on doing a second. An actual reviewer can adjudicate on it.--Launchballer11:42, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Coming up with a good hook is as much work as reviewing a hook. Hence, this is a valid QPQ in my books (at least in spirit, and if others see it differently, then I suggest IAR). Schwede6604:50, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the QPQ provided above should be fine. Yes a new opinion was requested, but that was only with regards to signing off a hook. Launchballer still did the actual article checks, which are ultimately what are most important to filling the QPQ requirement. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Mary Jane Patterson, daughter of a slave, was the first African American woman to gain a BA degree, having taken a 'gentleman's course'?
Source: Blakemore, Erin (2017-05-23)' How the Daughter of a Slave Became the First African American to Earn a Bachelor's Degree.' Time
ALT1: ... that Mary Jane Patterson was the first Black principal of a famous high school in Washington DC? Source: Stewart, A (2013) First Class: The legacy of Dunbar, America's first Black Public School. Chicago. Ill: Lawrence Hill Books p 32
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by Balance person (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Article was promoted to Good Article within the last couple of days, is easily long enough, well written and copiously referenced. In my opinion the original hook, about being the first to get a BA degree, is best - very interesting indeed. The fact is cited immediately after it, in the lead introduction, to a page hosted on the university website. If I was being picky I'd say the info about achieving a BA degree should be included in the main body of the article too, because the lead intro is normally a summary of the main article. But the GA reviewers didn't have an issue with this, so I'm happy to say good to go to the next stage. Sionk (talk) 17:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not a full review, but a UW Sugar Bowl media guide being used as a source on a non-routine claim about itself doesn't sound right to me. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Eilish Cleary's role as Chief Medical Officer of Health in New Brunswick was controversially terminated while studying glyphosate, a herbicide that is widely used in the province's industries?
The article is long enough, new enough, and is neutral with no copyright violations. A QPQ has been completed. I think that the hook is fine. SL93 (talk) 22:14, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that following her death in 2019, Huang Wenxiu was elevated into a national model by the Chinese Communist Party in recognition of her work as a party secretary of a village in rural China?
The full review is to follow, but right now I have a few concerns about the nomination. The first is that, despite being a newly-promoted GA, the lede seems rather short and seems to lack mentions of some of the other parts of the article; I'd suggest beefing it up a little. The second is that the hook is admittedly rather pedestrian as it's not uncommon for religious structures to replace pre-existing ones. The article is a GA and is thus full of suitable material so I'd suggest proposing additional hooks in the meantime. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! The article was promoted to GA status on time and it meets all of the regular DYK+GA requirements. I did not find any close paraphrasing. Since you have less than five DYK nominations a QPQ is not required. ALT1 might need some slight revisions: for example, "prerogative status" might be too specialist so an alternative, easier-to-understand phrasing could used here. The hook also doesn't make it clear it's in Portugal so that might need to be addressed to. The hook's source is in Portuguese so AGF, but a Google Translate check confirms the information. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:21, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: "In 1949, Dr. Langmuir created a corps of epidemiologists at what is now the Federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. The corps was ready to fly anywhere immediately to investigate reports of an epidemic or an unusual cluster of cases. Known as the Epidemic Intelligence Service, the program played a crucial role in turning what was then an obscure and fledgling operation into a large Federal agency. [...] When the possibility of biological warfare was raised during the Korean War, scientists looked to epidemiology as the first line of defense. But the country was not prepared. Dr. Langmuir seized the opportunity to strengthen disease surveillance and his program." [19]
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Comment: I feel that initializing the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is appropriate for readability, given that the hook specifically focuses on Langmuir's work with its subsidiary Epidemic Intelligence Service. However, if others feel that the full agency name needs to be listed, that still fits within the 200 character limit (147 vs 186).
Improved to Good Article status by BluePenguin18 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Article was promoted to GA on 8 July, is well cited, and the hook is interesting. Hook is also cited. Copyvio detector shows high percentages, but it's mostly due to long names of people and institutions. QPQ is not needed. Nice article, happy to approve it for dyk! Artem.G (talk) 18:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Overall: Looks mostly good. Nice work. The only issue I see, @4meter4:, is that there appears to be excessive citations in the second paragraph of the body. Is it necessary to include 16 references for the statement She had her own regular radio program on WOR, Verna Osborne, Songs, from 1933-1936? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, because each reference is just covering a single program. I provided a representative sampling across time to demonstrate that it was a recurring program. There are many more of this kind. I couldn’t find a source talking about the program in a long term way to replace these. Best.4meter4 (talk) 16:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that a 1954 fire in Busan, South Korea, caused the loss of around 3,400 historic relics, including historic portraits of kings of the Joseon dynasty? Source: caused the loss of around 3,400 historic relics, including historic portraits of kings of the Joseon dynasty
Helping out with a ref for both hooks [20] (also in the article). Quotes in orig. Korean with my translation: "위 기사에서도 볼 수 있듯, 4천여 점에 이르는 유물 가운데 자그마치 3천4백 점이 잿더미가 되는 대참사가 일어나죠... 이 가운데는 48점이나 되는 조선 역대 임금의 초상화도 들어 있었습니다. 그나마 불에 타고 남은 조각이라도 건진 것은 다 합쳐서 18점. 나머지 30점은 화마(火魔)에 흔적도 없이 사라지고 말았습니다." -> "As you can see in the article above, a disaster occurred in which 3,400 of 4,000 relics were reduced to ashes in an instant... Among these were 48 portraits of past kings of the Joseon Dynasty. 18 items among these were salvaged, with the remaining 30 being completely lost." 211.43.120.242 (talk) 13:58, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The article is sufficiently long and new, has citations throughout, and appears to be written neutrally. I AGF on offline and German language sources. QPQ is done. There is some trouble in the references with a citation template, and then there's the matter of the hook. The hook says Eberty "inspired" Einstein, but the above quote does not verify that, only that Einstein read Eberty. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
This article has tripled in size since LunaEclipse's original approval. This should probably get another review. With the benefit of a few weeks, my preference is ALT6 as closest to the original struck hook.--Launchballer 07:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- If I understood it correctly, the bank's name is Burnley Savings and Loans, with "Bank of Dave" being just a slogan. If so we should call the bank by its actual name. Also, the previous sentence is 4 lines long.
Article is ready, with the amended hook. Cambalachero (talk) 00:01, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
@Mehedi Abedin and Trainsandotherthings: Much to whinge about here I'm afraid. Only ALT2 passes WP:DYKINT and it would need an end-of-sentence citation in any event. This could still do with a robust copyedit, which I see it's been waiting for. (I tried, but I physically can't read WP:PARAGRAPHs of that length.) Also, big dislike on using a two year old QPQ when we have a heavy backlog, but WP:QPQ specifically states that QPQs do not expire, so I'll take it. This is also long enough, new enough, copyvio-free, and the image is Creative Commons. I think the first two things you need to do are a) give ALT2 and end-of-sentence citation, and b) break up the paragraphs into smaller chunks.--Launchballer 10:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
In any case, article was removed from redirect June 9 and was only nominated ten days later, three days late from the prescribed period. This is not going anywhere. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 05:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
My apologies — I have had a hectic month, and small items are especially prone to just falling off the table. It's...okay, though I feel it is something of a stretch. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Much better and more interesting! Approve Alt1. AnotherColonialHistorian (talk) 16:42, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Reviewing... Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:57, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
