User talk:Pedro

Incivility at RfA

I agree entirely - there were issues on my own RfA, but not quite so bad. Fortunately I finally passed with an overwhelming number of really good, well commented support votes from mostly admins and crats. I don't think there's much that can be done other than keep plugging away at WT:RfA for change. Certainly there is much argument for insisting that the crat who is watching the RfA should remove such tripe. Perhaps a central RfC? --Kudpung (talk) 03:00, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Heck! Please don't consider retiring. --Kudpung (talk) 03:08, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I replied on the talk page, but I'll just say here that I don't think an RfC would solve anything. Gross incivility is blockable. Is it not up to administrators such as yourself to do so? Is there truly a precedent of admins being desysopped for blocking users for incivility at RfA? Swarm ^X 17:40, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Incivility is too often in the eye of the beholder unless it's a clear racial, sexist, religious, or other similarly incontrovertible personal attack. No administrator ought to block for what they perceive as incivility as opposed to very clear serious, and repeated personal attacks. Malleus Fatuorum 18:31, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I fear I'm missing your point: The user in question has a history of making personal attacks. Swarm ^X 18:52, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't say "personal attacks", you said "incivility". The two are not synonymous, not matter what the civility police might try and tell you. Malleus Fatuorum 18:58, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. If it means anything, I could amend to "The user has a history of personal attacks and incivility." Swarm ^X 19:07, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All, some good thoughts and healthy arguments from both sides. Regretfully I've had a death in my immediate family today (well last night) and whilst I'd like to explore these thoughts further now is not the time for me personaly, so I'll revisit at a later date. Pedro : Chat 20:36, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So sorry to hear that Pedro. Malleus Fatuorum 20:37, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Same here: best wishes to you and your family. Acalamari 20:56, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Very sorry to hear that Pedro, I wish you all the best. Swarm ^X 00:19, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Take care Pedro. Hope to see you around again soon. Kudpung (talk) 04:07, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks all. It was my grandmother, and frankly at my age even still having a grandmother was rather impressive! She'll be sadly missed but not an overly unexpected death; clearly I didn't want to edit whilst dealing with the surrounding issues. Perhaps the above conversation is now for another day. Pedro : Chat 20:59, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

distrust

Hi, I am surprised to read that you distrust me personally, as I haven't had many close interactions with you. If you like, I'd like to learn why, whether or not you are a voice to the concerns of others who choose to remain silent, and discuss any issues which have caused this distrust. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 01:29, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I can't speak for Pedro, but you are an Arbitrator; in the current climate, that's enough for distrust to exist, and if you don't know why, you've missed some basics. That's all. Rodhull andemu 02:38, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]