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For your tireless work in making Wikipedia better, for keeping Template:Feature up-to-date, for doing the grunt work of cleaning up Wikipedia:Featured article candidates, for mediating in disputes, for adding lots of really nice pictures, and for still finding the time to work on articles! In a few months you've already become a highly valued member of the community. Stay with us and don't burn out, please. --Eloquence Apr 10, 2004


For wounds suffered in the battles of Wikipedia, I hereby award you this Purple Heart. May you continue to be a valued contributor to Wikipedia for many years to come. Neutrality 05:22, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

WP:TFA/December 5

I've requested Arrested Development as the featured article for December 5. Although the article is not yet featured (nominated Nov. 20), nothing is currently standing in its way. Let me know if you have any problems with featuring it on December 5. Thanks. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-11-23 08:15

  • I think I'm finished fulfilling all the requested changes to the article. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-11-25 06:31

Newwark, New Jersey

It appears Newark, New Jersey may have been featured unilaterally almost two years ago by User:Dinopup. Plz check what I have posted to the user.

Hi there. Sorry to inform, but Newark is an FA removal candidate at the moment. Check: WP:FARC Someone there pointed out that there is actually no record of it having gone to a feature vote in the first place. You tagged it Featured, quite a while ago now, and the tag was subsequently formatted by Maveric149: [1]. The FA logs show no record of it going to a vote in March, Feb or Jan of 2004. Perhaps the rules were different then or you were unfamiliar with them but it seems to me this was made an FA out of process and as such should probably be speedily de-featured. Marskell 13:58, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Newark is among the oldest featured articles. It dates back from the old "Brilliant Prose" days, when anyone could add it to the list. When we made the switch to "featured articles", we had a confirmation vote and it appears that Newark passed and was included in the featured articles. In other words, no one did anything irregular. Raul654 18:17, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Where the tag states has been identified is there any way to blue-link to the confirmation vote in such cases? Where is that vote incidentally? Marskell 10:06, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The vote is located at Wikipedia:Archive/Refreshing brilliant prose. As for redirect it, you could theoretically create a featured article candidate page for those articles, but I don't like that idea because it would create the (false) impression that it went through the FAC process. Raul654 10:08, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I can't find it. It does not appear in the archive and, conversely, it's own links here list doesn't show the archive or anything else that would indicate it had a vote of any kind. However, the FARC nom may render the point moot. Marskell 11:08, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hrm... I don't know why it's not on the refreshing BP vote list - it should be, at any rate. I suppose it's possible the refrehsing BP disambiguatio page is incomplete. Raul654 11:10, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Writing a scientology article has done as much damage to my brain as a case of beer

I have discovered new things about our lord Xenu and now I know how you feel. Check this edit or, in clearer form, on my LJ. Ow. Ow ow ow. - David Gerard 08:18, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's pretty funny. I wonder who stole the idea from whom - Marvel from Hubbard, or Hubbard from Marvel. Raul654 08:23, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Marvel 1962, Marvel reprints early 1967, Hubbard late 1967. Oh God. It's even dumber than I first thought it was. I'd rather it had all been coming down from uppers and downers ("auditing out DTs") - David Gerard 13:28, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Three questions concerning FA policy

  1. Will you point me to the pages where FA policy is discussed?
  2. As "Featured Article Director", are you solely responsible for selecting Main Page articles?
  3. Is consensus not required for FAC promotion (in the archived FAC proceedings for one current FA, there are two standing objections that seem to be clear and actionable, and were not addressed whatsoever -- that made me curious)?

Thanks! --Tsavage 21:04, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  1. More or less all featured-article related discussion occurs on wikipedia talk: featured article candidates and wikipedia talk:featured articles.
  2. I am solely responsible for choosing the featured articles that appear in the main page, yes; on the other areas where articles appear on the main page (on the selected anniversaries, in the news, and did you know), I'm just the same as anyone else
  3. Yes, consensus is required; however, consensus is not unanimity, and not all objections are equall meritorious or weighty. Raul654 03:50, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. My additional question:

  • Who is responsible for selecting the featured articles?

Cyberpunk on the Main Page

To borrow a line from Sinfest, "I am so happy!" This will make the second time my deathless prose (har, har) has reached the Main Page, the first being The Giver. Now, if everybody can just agree on omnipotence paradox, I can even say that I escaped the Literature category...

Anville 23:07, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Promotion to admin

Thanks for the honour of being promoted to admin, I'll make sure I familiarise myself with it all. Steve block talk 07:41, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Need your approval over deletion of 15 files.

(Don't panic; really, I don't think you'd too) It's regarding over 15 OGG files,

uploaded by your bot, Raulbot.

These files are from Brahms' 16 Waltzes, Op.39. You probably guessed the problem: there are only 15 files; but all 16 waltzes are inside - Brahms-waltz11.ogg actually holds the recording of waltzes 11 and 12. Brahms-waltz12.ogg onwards hold the recording of the next waltz (that is, Brahms-waltz12.ogg holds the recording of waltz 13 and so on - I think you get the idea). I referenced each recording with a Brahms' 16 Waltzes music sheet.

My original intention was to overwrite each file with the correct recording, and updating the file's tags while doing so. However, when I was attempting to upload a newer version, I changed the filename (on Wikipedia's servers), thinking the older version of the file will be replaced and renamed. Well, it didn't happened the way I wanted it to be - a whole new file on Wikipedia servers was created and your original file was still around (I'm about a month and a half old on Wikipedia so I still really don't how some stuff works around here).

I've only uploaded Waltz 1 (Image:Martha Goldstein - Brahms, Johannes - 16 Waltzes Op. 39 - Waltz 1.ogg), and will be uploading the rest if you are okay with me requesting for deletion of your 15 files. I don't know if you're able delete these files yourself, you are, after all, and administrator; but if you're okay with having 15 of your files deleted, and will be able to deleted the files yourself, I'd greatly appreciate if you could do so, after I've uploaded all 16 updated recordings and re-linked them to the Johannes Brahms article.

--Ianleow7 10:16, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I could delete them (I'm an admin on commons); however, as those songs are already integrated into articles on en, it would be a *much* better idea if you were to leave the naming scheme intact, and simply overwrite the old incorrect files with the correct ones. In other words, copy 15->16, 14->15... 11->11 & 12 without changing the names). Raul654 10:20, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It would also save you a lot of work, as you wouldn't have to mess with waltzes 1-10. Raul654 10:23, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, if you don't mind, I'd prefer to fix it myself. What I am aiming to do is rather complicated and probably shouldn't be attempted by a new user. Raul654 10:35, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I've gone ahead and implimented my fix (the old 15th waltz is now located at Image:Brahms-waltz16.ogg). What do you think now? Can you verify that all the files are in their place now? Also, did I split old waltz 11 at the correct place? Raul654 10:45, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You're working too fast for me (this is my 4th attempt to reply - the other three were supposed answer to your replys at 10:23, 10:35 and 10:45, but I have no idea why my 3rd attempt failed) :) . I'll be verifying waltzes 11 and 12 after I'm done with this reply. If you simply pushed back the old waltz 12's filename back by 1 (waltz12 becomes waltz13), I think it should be okay. --Ianleow7 10:54, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, yes, that's exactly what I did (12 became 13, 13->14, 14->15, 15->16). I am not sure if I split 11 correctly (I think I did but I'd like confirmation); if I did not it can easily be fixed. When I am done that, I can delete the two oggs you uploaded. Also, be sure to look through wikipedia:sound/list and see if there is anything else there you would like to add to various articles :) Raul654 10:57, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, you sliced the original exactly where I did so myself (funny how co-incidents occur). BTW, I only uploaded 1 OGG file ;) (that is, Image:Martha Goldstein - Brahms, Johannes - 16 Waltzes Op. 39 - Waltz 1.ogg). Thanks for your trouble! --Ianleow7 11:03, 25 November 2005 (UTC) (Arg, I keep on forgetting to include my signature.)[reply]
I've deleted the file you uploaded and updated our Johannes Brahms with the information you have given me. Somebody still needs to write Sixteen Waltzes for piano, four hands so they can be added there too (wink wink) Raul654 11:06, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I get the idea ;) . I'll see if I can find any online references and will start on the article as soon as I can (I have to say, it will most likely to be a stub though). (Must include signature... Must include signature...) --Ianleow7 11:12, 25 November 2005 (UTC) ( :D )[reply]

Commons music file VfD

I think you will be interested in reading/contributing to the discussion here: commons:Commons:Deletion_requests#Image:Schubert-D.935-2.ogg. pfctdayelise 14:46, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Last Call

Definitely. By the way, I've responded to you at Wikipedia talk:Mediation Committee. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 23:21, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

(Just checked my mail, sorry) I'll start a discussion, then. Thanks again! Flcelloguy (A note?) 23:23, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

FA

(Re: Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by featured article nominations) Haha, very amusing! :) -- Emsworth 02:14, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Christmas on Main Page

Hi, just writing to ask you about featuring Christmas on the front page on December 25 - people who have voted at WP:TFA have all given overwhelming support. What do you think? Brisvegas 06:43, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Meetup DC

Here are a few suggestions:

Dupont:
Childe Harold (right off the Dupont metro) -- restaurant upstairs, bar downstairs, but they don't card unless you order a drink).
Front Page (right off the Dupont metro). Restaurant and bar separate, lots of space.
Tabard Inn (several blocks from Dupont Metro -- 4-5, but walking distance). The food here is a little pricier than you might like, but they have an enormous open area near a fireplace with couches and armchairs that would be more conducive to talking. This probably isn't the best choice given the food prices and also somewhat the distance, but the ambience and setting for discussion can't be beat.

Downtown:

John Harvard (right off Metro Center). It's a brewpub but also a restaurant -- also doesn't card unless you order, and lots of space.
ESPNZone (3-4 blocks from Metro Center). Lots of room here and no carding unless you drink. Prices decent for a city like DC. The only potential problem is if there's some major game on that day, it can get crowded on weekend afternoons.

There are some off the top of my head. If I can think of anything else I'll let you know. · Katefan0(scribble) 18:29, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings! As requested, I got a hold of a grad student acquaintance of mine in the DC area, and he had the following suggestions:
The CB group here in DC usually meets at Politics and Prose, which is a coffeehouse / bookstore in NW DC. (http://www.politics-prose.com/) It works for us, but it's kind of small. It may be worthwhile to check and see if they have a backroom that could be rented out. About a 15 minute walk from the Metro.
For my college get-together here in DC, we rented out a room at Gordon Biersch, which is right downtown (http://www.gordonbiersch.com/restaurants/washington.html) That was actually really good because we had our own room and there were no age restrictions, despite being a bar. Just a few blocks from the Metro.
My office is having a little holiday party at the Clarendon Ballroom (http://www.clarendonballroom.com). I've never been there, though, but it's just a few blocks from the Metro (which is almost a must for DC).
My grad classes are held at the Reagan Building (http://www.itcdc.com/index.php). Don't try to contact them via email; just call. They're always holding events there, and they have lots of rooms. 1/2 block from the Metro.
And he also mentioned the same John Harvards (johnharvards.com) that Katefan0 did. Not being in/from the area, I don't know how well any of these might work out for being a 'central' location, but maybe it'll help? --JohnDBuell 03:16, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Block Request

Hi Raul -- I've noticed your note on this talk page. This editor seems to be back - making the same controversial edits to the same articles. I was going to leave him/her a vandalism note and realized that this account might be up for a block. Best Jbetak 21:27, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's an AOL proxy. It's probably shared by 1000 or more people, who jump from proxy to proxy. Blocking those is a *bad* idea. Raul654 21:37, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah ;-) I think it might have dawned on me too as I was monitoring this user's activity today. Would you say that Slovakia and Great Moravia would qualify for temporary article protection then? How would one go about it? Jbetak 22:58, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Omnipotence paradox

Hi there. FYI, the article omnipotence paradox, which according to its talk page is now officially a featured article, doesn't appear on the featured articles page, for some reason. Thought you'd like to know this. Appreciate your hard work on FACs. Best wishes, Hydriotaphia 07:21, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Small mistake on my part. I have fixed it. Raul654 07:27, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 10th FA box

Hey, Raul, regarding the Hugo Chavez main-page box, the editors of Hugo Chavez have been going back over the image and text and thinkin' that this version would probably be ideal. If you have any problems or concerns with this at all vs. the one currently there, feel free to disagree. (And sorry if this isn't the proper place to mention this, wasn't sure where to bring it up that you'd be sure to see it without it being too obtrusive.) -Silence 11:46, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hugo Chávez is the current President of Venezuela, known worldwide for his democratic socialist governance, his anti-imperialism, and his radical criticism of neoliberal globalization and United States foreign policy. A career military officer, Chávez gained popularity following a failed 1992 coup d'état and was elected President in 1998 on promises of aiding Venezuela's poor majority. As President, Chávez has inaugurated massive Bolivarian Missions to combat disease, illiteracy, malnutrition, poverty and other social ills. Abroad, Chávez has acted against the Washington Consensus by advocating alternative models of economic development and fostering cooperation amongst the world's poor nations, especially those of Latin America. However, Venezuela's middle and upper classes have severely criticized Chávez, accusing him of repression and electoral fraud, and he has survived both a 2002 coup and a 2004 recall referendum. Chávez remains one of the most complex, controversial and high-profile figures in modern politics.

Recently featured: Mandan – Waterfall Gully – Michel Foucault

I've made the switch, with one exception - I kept the uncropped versoin of the picture, because I'm not fond of using one versoin of a picture for the main page and another for everything else. Raul654 13:59, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Christmas

Thanks for the comment. What a lot of hot air! Given that we are so close to early December, I still like the idea of putting it on the front page in early January - the rationale would have to be explained in the front page blurb ("... usually celebrated on 25 December, but by some on 7 January, ..." -- ALoan (Talk) 14:55, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the flamewar was fun while it lasted. AngryParsley (talk) (contribs) 15:16, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wonderfool's claimed nihilartikels are 100% verifiable

He pulled a fast one on us again. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-11-28 17:06

Tom Brinkman

Is is me or does it seem like this article is attracting a great deal of vandalism because it is the featured article of the day? Should it be protected for a day or two? PedanticallySpeaking 20:10, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

TFA should not be protected. See user:Raul654/protection. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:18, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
No. At most 5-10 minutes if there is an onslaught of IPs that need to be blocked. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-11-28 20:21
Bunchofgrapes and Brian have answered for me :) Raul654 20:43, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Question

I was wondering if you could end the Hollaback Girl nomination process? Being the only user working on the article, I would find it acceptable to take a break from all the fuss that has been created at the FAC page. It would be much appreciated, whether the result is featured or contested. If it is perhaps the latter, I will give it another attempt next month. Thank you. –Hollow Wilerding 20:55, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

New Chavez blurb image proposal

I've made the switch. Anything other problems? Raul654 23:13, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
No. Nothing else. It is perfect now. Thank you for your time. ← Saravask — 23:51, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration re-opened

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2 has been re-opened. Please place evidence at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2/Evidence. Proposals and comments may be placed on Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Climate change dispute 2/Workshop. (SEWilco 03:42, 29 November 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Sorry, but this message is for parties to the case. Not withstanding your claims, I am not a party to it, I am arbitrating it. Raul654 03:43, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure you'll deal with any conflict of interest. In what way you're a party will depend upon just what the case is about. Rather oddly, whether it is a new case or what it is about has not been defined. (SEWilco 04:25, 29 November 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Assistance

Could you please comment at Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion#November_24. You appear to know far more about fair use than Squash does. - Ta bu shi da yu 06:11, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

RE: YOUR QUESTION

Hahaha—funniest thing I read all day! I tried to think of something suitably witty to respond but failed. I don't know if you saw it, but I was very amused by this anonmyous user who at least has the courtesy to leave an edit summary of "page blanking" when he blanks Talk:Main Page—that way, we know it's been vandalized without even having to load the diff! — Knowledge Seeker দ 20:12, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Can you tell me how the decision is made as to whether consensus has been reached in FAC?

BTW, the last five entries are missing from your last talk page archive. I looked for my entry, which is one of the missing, to see if you'd answered this question when I'd asked it before.

Thanks! --Tsavage 20:17, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm not sure I understand your first question. I look at a nomination and decide whether or not it has consensus.
Yes, that answers my question. It would be cool if this info was posted on the FAC page -- if that page were itself an FAC, I'd find absence of this fuller explanation of the process to be a glaring omission (especially since it only takes one additional sentence). ;) (I suppose I am "adjusting" to the rather obscure fact of there being only one, in effect, JUDGE, when it comes to FAC and main page FA, and that being the same person as well. I can see the practicality of it in this particular environment, in terms of getting things done. In practice, though, it also seems somewhat shaky. Evaluating the results of the the FAC commenting process, given the sheer range of topics and article quality, and the high variability of the comments between individual FACs, requires a very considerable amount of direct knowledge (or personal research) in many areas. It would seem that the FAC Director has to go beyond a simple procedural weighing of opinions against rules (which I assume is the intent of the position). That said, I have no reason to doubt that in balance you're doing a fine job. And maybe I'm overreacting. Who knows?)
  • As far as the archive - when I archived the page, I left the latest 10 conversations here. The thraed you started is higher on this page. Raul654 10:36, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks! Sorry, I missed that, with the original answer to this question.

Thank you! --Tsavage 14:02, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Featured Article Process

I've been working on Tumbling Dice (instead of my homework) and have about got it up to FA status (I lack pictures and a sound clip, but that will come after I get the text right. What the most number of times an article has been through FAC and still become an Featured Article? I'm No Parking and I approved this message 18:04, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The is purely an educated guess, but if memory serves, Johnleemk had to nominate Get Back 3 or maybe 4 times before it was promoted. Raul654 18:18, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Motion to provide voting rationale

Please see [2]. Thank you. Rangerdude 18:09, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RFA/Hamster Sandwich

You have a great reputation for not cowering before supermajority percentages, so I am asking you, as a bureaucrat, to please handle this user's nomination personally, to weigh the arguments and come to your own conclusion. Thanks. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-2 15:20

  • Nevermind, already done. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-3 01:23
    • I did it :) Raul654 01:52, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks! — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-3 02:01
        • My thanks in the work you do in expiditiously closing RfA's. I realize that there were a number of oppose and neutral comments attached to mine, and although I was briefly inclined to argue the points that those editors brought up, I thought it better to just let it play out in a natural way, without appearing to campaign. It's supposed to be no big deal, and so I was treating it as such. One of the opinions I hold is that there is a constantly growing need to have a growing base of volunteer administrators, who have shown there trustworthiness to the community, because obviously as WP grows, as its user base and editor base grow, so to will the need to ensure the quality of the resource. Thats all I want to try to do, in whatever capacity I can. I can only hope to work at as high a level of competancy as the vast majority of WP's existing administration. Peace and happiness Raul, see you 'round the wiki! Hamster Sandwich 05:52, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No ...

Your removal of it is over the line.

Jay could very easily respond to any of the questions posed to him. You can look at how Fred Bauder responded to even more personal and accusatory questions, and ones based on false information. It is very easy for an honest person of reasonable intelligence to answer even unfair questions. "I don't know," is often a good answer. So is, "I disagree with your assertion of the facts," or, "You have mischaracterized my actions." Do you think that someone who is unable to deal with critical questions really belongs on the Arbitration Committee?

I've written a couple hundred words at most in questions to Jayjg. He could very easily have responded, as I have noted above. His pointed non-responses to any critical questions merit scrutiny. And now you have deleted a question that bore scrutiny on his non-response.

I suggest that you revert yourself.

Marsden 19:32, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't reverted yourself, Raul. I'll give you another 15 minutes before I restore the question myself. Then you can do whatever it is you think you need to do. Marsden 20:44, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The questions directed at Fred were provacative, but not personal attacks. Your comments were personal attacks, and I will not be restoring them. It is his right not to respond to your comments; his non-response does not give you permission to violate our policies. Raul654 20:52, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My comments were not personal attacks. It is his right not to respond to my comments, but do you really think it's his right to have his non-responsiveness tidily swept under the rug? Marsden 21:07, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, why would you even bother beginning your original comment to me with, "I'm usually pretty conservative in applying the no personal attacks policy ...?" Statements like that from a stranger invariably mean someone is trying to sell something. Marsden 21:13, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
My comments were not personal attacks. - I will be/am the judge of that, and yes, they were. (2) As to his non-responsiveness, if you wish to make a note of that somewhere (besides that page), you may do so. (3) As to my statement, it means exactly what it says -- that (unlike some others) I don't try to apply the NPA policy outside a generally limited set of circumstances (and that your comment is clearly one of those cases I consider to be a personal attack). Raul654 21:19, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Wikipedia talk:Tomorrow's featured article

Hi - I'm sure you (along with most of the rest of the world) have either been bored stupid or found it hard to keep yourself from laughing out loud at the inane debate on Wikipedia talk:Tomorrow's featured article. It should be moved to a subpage and adding to WP:BJAODN. In retrospect, perhaps the voting was easier... at least that was limited to "support" or "oppose".

Anyway, we have all had our fun, but I'd be grateful if you would choose the Main Page featured article for 25 December sooner rather than later, otherwise we are going to run out of space. Preferably something that noone has suggested. And then the debate about your choice can start. -- ALoan (Talk) 20:32, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • And why do you propose that Raul654 should listen to your specific opinion stated here over everyone else's opinions? Do you think him unable to choose of his own volition? (I'm not suggesting that you are, just that you should clarify your statements). Whatever his choice, everyone will accept it. There's no need to try influencing him by going directly to his talk page presenting sensibility. And I don't particularly consider being lambasted for my alleged "motives" to be "fun". — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-2 20:38
    • The discussion have moved to subpages so I have suggested the four other possiblities that have been canvassed in the discussion. I think my position is reasonably clear. I don't intend to reply to this, nor, indeed, to contribute to the debates on this issue at WP:TFA or its subpages any further. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:49, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • I was gone for most of yesterday (quiz bowl tournament at Princeton) but I will be settling this dispute today. Raul654 11:50, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • I do not agree with your bypassing of discussion and attempts to supplant your own nominations, feigning "compromise", when it is simply a compromise to knee-jerk opposition. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-4 13:47

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Rl

What do you think about what happened in this nomination? — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-3 05:19

Phishing

You noted awhile back that phishing had been requested for the main page but had no free images. I moved the ensuing discussion to WP:FAR (and now the article's talk), and there is now a free image. If you happen to have an offline list of featured articles without free images or that are otherwise unsuitable for the main page, could you post it at WP:FAR? Or if you run across any in the future, send 'em over. Tuf-Kat 07:18, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I noted that there were no *good* free images. The picture you refer to (Image:PhishingTrustedBank.png) would not look particularly good on the main page. I had an idea recently that someone could take a screenshot of a GPL'd spyware removal program; the screenshot would be GPL'd and we could use it. Raul654 10:52, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you take a look at [3] they have a whitepaper posted by Department of Homeland Security linked on the top of their homepage. In there is a graphic that illustrates the steps involved in a phishing attack. Would that work as public domain and front page quality? --ZeWrestler Talk 15:11, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Heck, typing 'anti-phishing' in the search box at firstgov.gov gives some interesting results around several US government agencies. --JohnDBuell 22:25, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I got nothing to appear on google for this. --ZeWrestler Talk 17:20, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Concern on quality of FA

Hello! I am a bit concerned about the process for selecting FAs. I think there is a risk that not necessarily the best articles are selected and that some of those selected are not that great. First, the process (seems to me - most likely I am wrong) depends on an article being submitted for consideration. I think there are some very good articles that are never submitted for consideration. If the article doesn't a have a godfather that is in love with the article, it may never be submitted. Sadly, I have no suggestion on how to solve this first issue. Second, it seems the major hurdle is being submitted for consideration. Regardless of how good the article was initially, people tend to favor any article proposed -on the basis that the article is long and informative (basically almost all articles will be informative as most people will not be familiar with the subject). Those that initially object, are then somehow compelled to change their vote when they see their specific comments being addressed by the article's godfather. Now, this does not mean the article became a good one all of a sudden. It just means some specific issues were addressed. I fear that inertia and "group stupidity" makes people at the end go ahead with an "ok, go ahead" attitude. Articles that are very young in age and that people have not gone through in detail and over which they may not know many details (as to object) on specifics may end up being selected. I do not have any specific solution to propose -besides perhaps raising the initial requirements before an article can be submitted for consideration. Cheers. --Anagnorisis 22:17, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Like it's not getting harder all the time to turn an article into a featured article? Sheesh! :) The standards ARE constantly being revised and 'the bar is being raised' on a regular basis. If the article I had submitted as an FAC now had been ready six months ago when I DID get an FA through, I probably would have had them both pass. I'm not complaining, but it's interesting to see how the criteria are evolving, and I for one think the system is working fine. I would say, however, that we could use more reviewers for Peer Review AND FACs! --JohnDBuell 22:29, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well, sadly I think some articles get approved based mostly on format and not content. Some articles have wrong information and this does not prevent people from voting on them, as they vote based on how "thorough" the article seems to be. Problem is people do not know how to reject what they do not know much about. They worry that their ignorance may make reject a good article, thus it seems easier to say "support" the article is well written, rather than criticize specifics. Som,e even fall into what is call group-stupidity. Just my not so humble opinion and concern. BTW, what is the percentage of articles aproved out of those submitted for consideration? I bet way over 50%. --Anagnorisis 01:10, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You've repeatedly said "some". Can you cite specific instances where articles were supported which had obvious false information? Thanks. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-4 05:46
You are right. I should mention them. However, the one I know for sure is at the moment in the middle of a vote. I see people voting for it without knowing much about hard facts. Perhaps I should wait to see what happens and then mention it by name. However, the pattern of people showing support based on an article appearing to be right concerns me. What if I was not having a go at it picking for small factual errors? It seems people would simply support it based on writing style and lot of quoted sourced. Now, I think one interesting statistic would be what percentage of articles submitted get chosen as FA? I am afraid that what matters most is that the article makes it as a candidate. Once someone likes an article a lot, and knows how to work the process, that article has far greater chance to be selected than a much better one without a godfather. Again, I am failing to provide a solution. I do not have any proposal at this time. However, I want to voice my concern on this. --Anagnorisis 08:49, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, what is the percentage of articles aproved out of those submitted for consideration? I bet way over 50% It should make you feel better to know that in November, 71 FACs failed and 37 were promoted, meaning that only 34.3% of articles were approved. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 05:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
If you know for sure that a FAC says something that is incorrect then you should object. That is how the system works. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:51, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I tend to agree with this (the original) comment. One way to partially summarize the problem is to note that, in practice, FAC is being used as an article improvement area. I stumbled on the FAC process only a couple of weeks ago. In that time, I've posted many, often lengthy comments, and spent a great amount of that effort in supporting my initial objections. It seems quite clear from observing the general FAC proceedings (here, I'm talking about the last two weeks, as that's my experience ;) that, for quality control, the onus is mainly on the objectors to provide clear objections, and then to vigorously support ones own objections, often in the face of one or more determined proponents of the FAC. There are various tactics (deliberate or otherwise) that make this very time-consuming. For example, an example provided to illustrate a certain objection may be treated as the sole instance of that objection, "fixed", and then the whole thing tossed back to the objector who has to reexplain the objection; if no reply is made, my impression is, the original objection may then appear to be diminished in weight. This sort of thing is a serious problem when an FAC is quite far from the standard, but strongly supported, and that seems to be the case in at least half of the nominations. (The alternative is to not respond if an objection isn't sufficiently answered and "leave it up to the judge", the arbiter of consensus, but that is "unfair" (particularly, for said judge), as, in many cases, subject-specific specialized knowledge is required to decide whether an objection is in fact reasonable or has been met.) In the end, I find using FAC to do wholesale improvements on articles puts inappropriate requirements on those wishing to help to identify "the best", but not necessarily to participate in protracted improvement sessions. The process is certainly interesting, but not entirely clear, nor efficient. It doesn't seem simple tweaks would change much, only an overhaul of the FAC model. --Tsavage 18:06, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Tsavage, I couldn't have said it better. I agree with all you said above. --Anagnorisis 00:59, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

All this probably belongs on the FAC talk page, not Raul's talk page. --Ryan Delaney talk 14:47, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

WP:TFA

I've moved the overflowing discussions to overflowing subpages to prevent your brain from experiencing overflow errors. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-4 06:21

I assume by now that you are aware that a full blown civil war is being (verbally) fought over when to put Christmas and the Omnipotence Pardox on the main page. I lew of this I suggest that we as a community adopt some sort policy about the timing of articles so as to aviod such a problem in the future. It doesn't have to be a set in stone kind of thing, but I think it would be good for all of us so as to set a few ground rules. Your thoughts? TomStar81 08:25, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Just because a discussion is long doesn't mean it is a "war" and people are "fighting", so please don't characterize it as such. You have only replied once to the discussion, so I am in doubt that you have read any of it, since your only comment was to compare it to featuring Adolf Hitler on Hannukah, thus fulfilling Godwin's law. In any case, I don't agree with your bypassing the entire discussion to get Raul to create rules that favor your personal outcome. It would be wiser for you to read through the discussion, understand everyone's reasons, and reply as such. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-4 13:43

I really like your 3D meter!

I really like your 3D meter. So I decided to take that annoying grey line off the right of it. JedOs 12:03, 4 December 2005 (UTC) I award you[reply]

The Graphic Designer's Barnstar The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
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JedOs 12:10, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Video conversion

Hi, I've just shot a video of a gun salute celebrating the birth of a new Prince in Norway. Could you please help me converting it into a properly sized Theora video? The original file is a 30 seconds long 6.1 MB AVI file.
For an image from the same event: Image:Kristiansten Fortress gun salute.jpg kallemax 13:41, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

All right. First, give it a try using the very easy-to-follow directions I wrote here. Raul654 13:45, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thanks for the link! kallemax 13:49, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, I just get a bunch of error messages. Could you have a go at converting it? kallemax 13:57, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Ok - I need a link to download the file. Raul654 14:11, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
(Also, what license should I use when uploading it?) Raul654 14:12, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hehe, forgot the link: [4]
License: {{PD-self}}
Summary: Gun salute on December 4, 2005 celebrating the Norwegian Prince that was born the previous day. Video shot and released into the public domain by User:Kallemax. (and if you want to, "video converted by...") kallemax 14:17, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This is only a guess, but I think the avi file there has some kind of encoding error. So when I ran ffmpeg2theora on it, it gave the error you described. I used virtualdub to re-render the avi file, and then ffmpeg2theora to convert it. See Raul654 14:29, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, looks great. kallemax 14:39, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment

Raul, if you have time, could you please take a look at the re-re-nomination of Hollaback Girl on WP:FAC? Bishonen | talk 15:13, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking care of that while I was out. Raul654 16:08, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Beethoven 5th

Hello Raul,

Sorry not to reply before now. Some time ago I made a promise to myself never to make any edits except on Sundays, so when you posted on my talk page on Monday it produced the maximal delay. In any event, it looks like you found the references ok.

While I have you on the line, let me point out a small edit I made just now to the Beethoven 5th article: I labeled the sound files as being a particular performance by the Fulda Symphony Orchestra (see new article), naming the conductor and date. I felt that this was the right thing to do both for the purpose of giving credit where it's due, and also for providing important information to the reader. Since you are the leading promulgator of classical sound files on the Wikipedia, I'm hereby lobbying you to similarly label the files when you post.

Yours very truly,
Opus33 16:34, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I do believe in giving credit where credit is do - the template for every sound file links to the info page which should include a full description (what the file is, who preformed it, what the copyright license is, 'etc). These are broken at the moment (since about 24 hours ago), but should be fixed soon. Raul654 16:42, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Concern over Roy Orbison as TFA for Dec 6

I don't find that the Roy Orbison article meets FA criteria. There are several reasons that I'd identify were this an FAC. However, the "main" one is the lack of coverage of Orbison's craft as a singer/musician/songwriter. I have noted this on Talk:Roy Orbison. I'm particularly perturbed about this trend of sorts of putting non-comprehensive pop music articles on the Main Page. This happened recently with "Cool" (and that, right in the midst of the FAC review for "Hollaback Girl", another song by the same artist, a flawed article that followed the identical "Cool" article format). Among other things, this sets a bad example, particularly for other pop music-related FACs. It also is not a good example of the best of Wikipedia... I'm not sure where to post this, as the article meets the TFA criteria, since it's already an FA... Is there a more appropriate way to present this concern? Thanks! --Tsavage 19:31, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I can barely imagine how busy you are with all this FA/FAC stuff, still, it is really disappointing to see Orbison on the Main Page. Many readers coming to the article off the Main Page will not notice any obviouis problem, but I have no doubt whatsoever that many will find it rather atrocious (and it really is not good at all, and so far from the best that Wikipedia has to offer...). Oh, well, I guess it's all part of the...process! --Tsavage 04:20, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Hamster Sandwich

Hi Raul, I'm trying to understand why that RfA was closed early. Any chance of an explanation? Please bare in mind I'm asking you directly, as this is only fair! - Ta bu shi da yu 00:55, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Doh - I promoted it about 8 hours early, didn't I? I think I might have made a mistake when converting timezones. Raul654 01:06, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I think there may have been a whole extra day, also, although that was probably a mistake in the date entered originally. -- SCZenz 01:11, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Ah. Cheers! - Ta bu shi da yu 01:43, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Xanadu House

Xanadu House, an article I asked you to briefly review on IRC a few days ago, has now become featured!, Can I add it to the Architecture articles section at Wikipedia:Featured articles? (I'm not entirely sure on this part of the FA process, I mainly pay attention to just the peer review and FAC pages). Thanks for your time. — Wackymacs 15:45, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I already added it to the technology section of that page. Would you prefer it was in the architecture section instead? Raul654 16:49, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I didn't notice, sorry about that. Yeah, I think its more related to architecture than technology myself. Thanks! — Wackymacs 18:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Raul654 16:07, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the information

Excellent news. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 20:20, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The POTW RFAR Closure

Thank You! Finally this can end...karmafist 03:07, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User:Striver

Hi, I just put up two articles by this user for AfD and I realized maybe I should give my opinion to someone more important than myself. User:Zora and I have both had problems with this editor in editing articles but more recently it has been in rampant article creation. Here is my list of articles he's created. Not all are bad but the complete mass of them and some like Muslim Christianity scholars are ludicrous. The user has moved important pages like Ulema to [[Muslim Islamic jurists] without discussion. I recommend asking Zora since she is far more eloquent than me. To get the whole breadth of what I'm talking about you'd have to see things like the Sahaba page before we cleaned it up again and other projects just like that. He often threatens Zora with an RfC which I really wanted to see but it never happened. I don't want to be itchy on the trigger but it has gotten to the point where I spend as much time fixing his mistakes as I do adding something useful. Thanks. gren グレン 07:47, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The muslim islamic jurists thing is almost laughable (the name is so ridicuolous), and the version of Sahaba he created is pretty bad. Threatening other users isn't the best way to operate either. I suggest you try to inform him about our policies (specifically, why his edits to Sahaba and Ulema are not acceptable, and why threatening other users is unacceptable). If he persists, go to an RFC (and if necessary, arbitration). Raul654 16:03, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
He knows our policies by now. Okay, thanks. I'll start and RfC at some point, or, go read a book. gren グレン 05:19, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

== pls unblock me ==

i have more than 3000 edits, see "user contributions" - i was blocked for no reason. User:Haham hanuka

I'll defer to the people more familiar with your situation -- [5] Raul654 16:04, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Also, posting the same message on a bunch of administrators' talk pages asking to be unblocked is considered spamming and is not looked upon favorably. Raul654 16:06, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

raul, please see my comments of the madman theory page.

Request from an admin

Raul,

Could you please look over the discussion on Talk:Gregory Lauder-Frost.

I have reason to believe that a small number of people have been attempting to use Wikipedia for narrow partisan ends, writing glowing articles on figures from Britain's far-right. This is potentially a matter of some importance for Wikipedia's credibility.

Thank you, CJCurrie 18:27, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Little cleanup problem

Hello Raul!

Many thanks for your cleaning of my media insert in the Boccherini page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boccherini

It is of course much better in such a way! However, there is a little problem. Opus 27 of Boccherini represents 6 string quintets, namely: Op.27 No 1, Op.27 No 2, Op.27 No 3, Op.27 No 4, Op.27 No 5, Op.27 No 6

It was an habit of this time. Later an opus will show only one work (e.g., the piano sonata op. 111 of Beethoven). Is it possible " String Quintet op.27 " by " String Quintet op.27 No 3 " to replace? I plan namely to insert a recording of the Op.27 No 1 as the next work in Wikipedia.

Best regards User:Quinbrid

I've made the changes. [6] Is that satisfactory? Raul654 14:44, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        Very good, thanks!
        User:Quinbrid

FuelWagon and Ed Poor arbitration

Hello, Raul654. I hope it's not improper to contact you on your talk page about a judgment in an arbitration case. I just want to point out that you said here that Ed had correctly cited the "No Personal Attacks" policy. In fact, Ed directed Neuroscientist towards Wikipedia:Avoid personal remarks (see here). I suppose it doesn't really matter, except that the "No personal remarks" isn't policy, and FuelWagon has repeatedly claimed that Ed accused Neuroscientist of violating "No personal attacks", which is not true.

I want to add a statement, but I'm busy at the moment, so I hope it will still be possible to do so over the Christmas holidays. Thanks. AnnH (talk) 19:04, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A valid point. I've tweaked the finding to take your observation into account. Raul654 19:09, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Do you support the creation of a Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Code of Conduct as I have just now suggested at User talk:Jimbo Wales#A sincere question? - Ted Wilkes 18:27, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Sagan.jpg

Hello - Your image has no copyright info and has been listed for deletion in 7 days. I'll spare you the giant template :-) -SCEhardT 01:31, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Geesh

Youre right there ... eight minutes later. Don't you ever sleep? Thanks, Heidi 'n Joe :-) 00:08, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Museveni FA

There's a much better picture available for Yoweri Museveni, who is a FA on 19 December, in the Commons at [7]. I would change it but I can't as it's been locked :-( TreveXtalk 02:48, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Done in the article, at least. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:22, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

2 anon IP's fixed many reference problems in Terri Schiavo FAC

FYI,

2 anon IP's fixed many reference problems in Terri Schiavo FAC: recent history.

--71.101.34.26 05:55, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Photo credits on POTD

Hi Marc,

Since it is partialy a Main Page issue, you might be interested in joining the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Picture of the day#Please: let's discuss refraining from crediting names


Living bio & date of birth

sorry about the rv on Ralph Lauren 15:13 . . Raul654 (Talk) (rv to Bhumiya - this is the correct format for someone who is still alive) I had seen both styles used and had not seen a statement of 'format' in the style guidelines for a living person. I did find the reference now and stand corrected. Thanks Doc 21:21, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

'rm idiotic template'

(sarcasm removed before hitting the 'save page' button.) Perhaps the next time you unilaterally remove a template and characterise it as 'idiotic', you might want to give a brief explanation as to why you think so. // Pathoschild 01:38, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies for insulting you, but the template is awful. It should never have been created, and never have been used. It doesn't add anything to the article, and doesn't inform the reader of anything particularly useful. Raul654 01:41, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I can see how it may seem useless, but it was intended to be a last-resort measure on high-profile pages before protection. I see you've put it up for deletion, so I'll present my arguments in favour there and let the community decide. // Pathoschild 01:47, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

FAC

Hi - just checking that you are ok. I have noticed that the gaps between rounds of promotions and deletions on FAC have grown recently - last two on 6 December and 30 November, rather than a couple of times a week as we have become used to. Unfortunately, given that you are the FA tsar, it all (WP:FAC, WP:FA, WP:TFA, etc) revolves around you! Is the new schedule likely to continue? Is there anything that others can do to help? -- ALoan (Talk) 12:09, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The new schedule is not going to continue. My christmas vacation starts tomorrow afternoon :) (which is why my editing has been clumpy lately).
One thing that would be helpful is if someone could take over for user:Frazzydee in sending out the daily featured article emails while he is on vacation. Raul654 05:11, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Today's featured article on the main page seems below standard to me

Does this article really belong here? Did you see all the redlinks? Do you honestly think it's well written?

I count two straight run-on sentences here in the same paragraph:

She also interned at a casting agency, and one of the tasks she was given was to read the lines at auditions for people looking for small roles in film and television projects in the area (a job that would land Strickland her first film role). After graduating with a Fine Arts degree from the University of the Arts, she was schooled in New York City for a time under the tutelage of Maggie Flanagan (to whom Strickland refers as her "Jedi Knight"), who would instruct her students to watch films with the sound turned off, to gauge a good acting performance by how much one could understand the story.

If you truly believe that second sentence is edited as well as it can be, we may well have different standards.

Who is this woman? How did this land on the main page? BYT 15:01, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ping

I responded to the message you left on my talk page. --Cyde Weys talkcontribs 16:26, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nature data

As expected, I completely screwed up :) I've fixed the data: We have 1.3 errors per 2KB, versus their 3.6 errors. Our article length is still over 2.5 theirs. — 0918BRIAN • 2005-12-15 07:36

This is my second request for information on KaDee Strickland

I'm a little confused about why you are ignoring me on this.

  • Did you notice the redlinks on the article?
  • Do you feel it was well written?
  • Do you disagree with my assessment of the run-on writing problems?
  • How exactly did this get selected as a mainpage article?
  • Are you aware of the number of totally unsourced quotes that we were pointing people toward in this article?
  • Are you aware of the fact that the article appeared on the main page on the actress's birthday?
  • Did you place the article on the mainpage for yesterday knowing that doing so coincided with the actress's birthday? BYT 13:39, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It is not Raul654's job to review articles in detail when they are nominated on WP:FAC: the community reviews articles on FAC, and Raul654 just decides whether there is sufficient support for promotion, and whether objections are sufficiently important and actionable for the nomination to fail. Neither is it Raul654's job to review articles in detail when they are suggested on WP:TFA: if an article is featured, then in principle it is suitable to go on the Main Page.
Presence or absence of redlinks is not a criterion for featured articles. The content and writing style of the article should have been addressed in Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/KaDee Strickland. The article received pretty overwhelming support (and even negative comments about the number of references). I imagine the article got on the Main Page because (i) it is featured and (ii) someone suggested it at Wikipedia talk:Tomorrow's featured article. Although it is not a rule, if is opriften approate to feature an article on the Main Page on a date that is in some way relevant to the article, such as an anniversary or a birthday. If you look at the history of Wikipedia:Today's_featured_article/December_14,_2005, you will see that Raul654 originally selected U.S. Navy Marine Mammal Program, but then replaced it on 2 December, presumably in response to this request by Extraordinary Machine on Wikipedia_talk:Tomorrow's_featured_article.
If you have concerns about the article, the best place to bring them up would be the article's talk page, or WP:FARC. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:29, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, then let me draw attention to a potential system problem here. This article is a puff piece about a movie star, and the people most likely to have commented on it, or viewed it in the first place, were people who like puff pieces about movie stars. They are (apparently) likely to avoid questions like:
  • Did this actress ever receive a bad review for any of her performances?
  • Was any source other than one likely to be highly complimentary to her ever cited (or even consulted)?
  • Where, exactly, do the quotes from the actress come from? Are they accurate?
  • So yes, maybe it is my responsibility to monitor everything that could conceivably turn into a featured article, and raise these kinds of questions beforehand.
  • By the same token, though, it has to be some admin's responsibility to confirm that basic encyclopedic standards have in fact been adhered to, particularly in an article we
  • a) identify as one of WP's best (a laughable designation in this case), and
  • b) put on the main page.

Wikkipedia is not a propaganda machine, meaning that all articles should be written from the neutral point of view. And your 'puff piece' commentary aside, the Kadee Strickland article is, in fact, neutral. As to the rest of you comment, I'll defer to ALoan's insightful response above. Raul654 15:10, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Could you point me toward a single sentence in that article that suggests (for instance) that she personally has any limitations or shortcomings as an actress? BYT 15:20, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I've got to agree that the FAC process has system flaws. Since anyone can object, you can not resolve both objections when they are diametrically opposed. For example, if objector A likes layout A, and objector B likes layout B, you can not resolve both objections and one will remain unsolved. I could cite more examples dealing with style preferences, etc too. There should be more standardization in the FAC process. Rlevse 15:17, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Another point, the Canadian House of Commons FA has refs, but no footnotes. Some FAC reviewers insist on them, others don't...WHY THE DIFFERENCE?? Rlevse 19:31, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Featured articles are required to have inline citations. Footnotes are one acceptable form, but not the only one. Anyone insisting on footnotes is told politely but firmly (by me) that such an objection is invalid. Raul654 21:08, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

And: to what extent ...

... is a request like this one um, bogus? The actress's birthday was in no way relevant to the (sycophantic) article that somehow made it onto the main page. BYT 15:03, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It is not at-all invalid. There is nothing wrong with requesting a date like that. Raul654 15:11, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
How, precisely, is her birthday related to the article content? Other than her being, you know, wonderful in general? BYT 15:14, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
BYT, I agree with you on the fluff factor in the KaDee Strickland piece. However, you should reconsider your challenge to the choice of date for its placement on the main page. People can request specific articles for specific days for whatever reasons they choose, and sometimes Raul654 complies. It's as simple as that. I'm not sure why this is a problem. — BrianSmithson 19:55, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Frankly, the article looks suspiciously like a birthday present. BYT 21:19, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia editor

Me and User:Fplay did the thankless job of attacking the Special:CrossNamespaceLinks mostly to reomve the hundreds of mainspace pages that have a four-tilde author signatures in them. We are only up to the letter "O" so far. Obviously, nothing can be done about Image: references.

We also noticed that some editors want to credit themselves for their non-text contributions (photos, interviews, jounal papers, other acknowledgement that a Wikipedian is involved with the subject) but that there does not seem to be any standards for this yet. So we created Wikipedia editor ("Wikipedian" being already taken) and changed a lot of pages to point to this "Wikipedia editor" page rather than to User: . Can you point this out to some people who can draw up some guidelines about Wikipedia authors making self-references?

Oh, Fplay also whacked down Special:Uncategorizedcategories from about 700 to about 200. We think it really should be zero, what with cycles being allowed.

Oh, and check out that killer lead section Fplay put into Space Shuttle Challenger disaster (after renaming the page). Some Engineering dweebs had loaded it up with acronyms and numbers to 5 decimal places and stuff.

Ooops! I was not logged in. This is Emact.

-- Emact 23:43, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Netoholic now permitted to edit Templates?

Has Netoholic's ban on editing Templates been lifted? I ask because of this, this and this. These were shortly preceded by this and this. Oh, and a little while before that there was this. I take some exception to the peremptory tone of these comments and the abrupt nature of the reversions.

I understand that WP:AUM is Neto's particular little Hobby horse (his "favorite topic, to which he constantly reverts") but I object to being ordered around like some small puppy who has just widdled on the carpet. This is particularly true when the "rule" I have apparently "broken" is a guideline which has repeatedly failed to be promoted to policy status.

I already asked Ral315 and Snowspinner, and I thought I should ask you also, because the three of you seem to have some knowledge of the situation, and possibly some influence over Neto himself.

Yours hoppingly-mad but nobly self-restrained…Phil | Talk 15:32, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Avoid-metatemplates page is a guideline in the sense that it doesn't absolutely prohibited metatemplates in all concievable situations; on the other hand, unless you have a REALLY GOOD REASON, you should never use them. So Netoholic is on 100% solid ground where policy is concerned. On the other hand, (1) no, his ban on editing in the template domain has not ended (although he has currently requested we end it), and (2) His delivery sucks. I'll have some words with him about it. You, however, should bear in mind that even if he's abrasive, as I said, he's absolutely 100% right. Raul654 16:42, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
PS - I have modified the AUM page to make the above distinction more clear. Raul654 16:45, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Mcfly85

Hi there David, Im SWD316. I am informing all the users with the checkuser ability under "advice" given by Celestianpower to run a CheckUser on Mcfly85. This user "claims" to have NEVER once opened an IP address to vandalize; list of IP addresses that vandalized my user page are suspects. I also suspect he created/opened accounts to vandalize too. (ex. Rock09, 4benson3, Capnoh, Oneandon, Sigma995, Sven66 and Pwner.) A few days ago I was running for adminship and he got on there and edited. Mcfly85, Rock09 and Sigma995 all voted oppose when well noted administrators and others voted support. I suspect Mcfly has vandalized my user page 9 times. You can see conflicts there at my talk page, my RFA. I posted these accusations at the Administrators' noticeboard and nothing was done because of lack of evidence. Well, today Banes noticed something interesting. He posted:

You may want to look at the history of Frank Beard. And, less interestingly, the history of Wayne Newton. I just thought this might interest you.

It was where Mcfly85 and Rock09 edited the same articles simultaneously. Rock09 vandalized the articles and Mcfly85 does clean-up. Suspicious that an article like Frank Beard, an article with 11 edits has edits by Rock09 and Mcfly85 simultaneously. Can you please run a CheckUser on him? SWD316 18:53, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

the page for request

that I mentionned in the email... I am getting a bit embarassed because some editors are requesting an account, while I have never heard about them. Mostly worried for editors of very small projects, who say they are sysops... while I know very well we made them sysops just a couple of weeks ago in a nearly empty project, with no vote whatsoever :-( They might just as well write wrong stuff on the website and we would have no idea since we do not speak the language. It is a bit scary...

But well... the other thing is... can you check the requests done by a couple of editors who say they are from en (or participants partly on en), to see if you know them at all ?

Anthere

I've replied on your talk page. Raul654 16:37, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Revert war

Hello Raul654, as an admin I was wondering if we could get your point of view on a revert war on Baha'i persecution. Thanks -- Jeff3000 03:11, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Arbitration Point of Order

User:Neutrality suggested that you arr the expect on Arbitration, and that I contact you. I've just started an RfA and see that it now includes an "outside statement by Dunc". Are outside statements allowed at this stage? --Iantresman 16:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Raul654 16:36, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sockpuppet of Silent Lamb

Hi, I just posted in WP:AIV, but I'm not sure if I did it right. Silent Lamb, I think, is being sock-puppeted by Silentlamb, who created an account 15:19, December 17, 2005. I'm not sure how to do the {{Sockpuppet}} thing with evidence, so if you can look into this for me, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!--ViolinGirl♪ 20:30, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Opps, never mind. FireFox took care of it already for me. Thanks anyway!--ViolinGirl♪ 20:36, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

TFA - Dec 23rd

Sorry to bother you on your talk page. A few users have requested that the newly minted feature article Early life of Joseph Smith, Jr. be used on December 23rd, the 200th anniversary of his birth - and worked hard to get it to feature status before that anniversary. Since the 23rd is less than one week away, I was wondering if you could make a decision whether you can swap it out for the current article slated to appear that day, Fauna of Australia. Thx in Adv. Trödel•talk 03:44, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

ThxTrödel•talk 14:25, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Felix Navidad

Tony the Marine

O.K. Raul654, so you don't believe in Santa, but I still want to wish you and your loved ones all the happiness in the world and the best new year ever. Your friend, Tony the Marine 05:10, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

I'd like to thank you, first and foremost; if you're receiving this message, it's because I think you were one of the people I adopted as a personal mentor, and who helped to make the whole Wikipedia experience more enjoyable.

The fact is, I've got no choice but to leave. The recent sordid affair with User:Deeceevoice and my appalling conduct in that showed me that I have not the calibre required to maintain good relations with users on the wiki. Worse still, I violated almost all of the principles I swore to uphold when I first arrived.

I've now been desysopped, and I plan on devoting a little more time to what I am good at, which is developing. I don't fit in on this side of the servers, but perhaps I can still be of use to the project.

Thank you. Rob Church Talk 20:04, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed remedy

Hi. I have a question regarding the proposed remedy since it seems to apply to a conflict which no longer exists and participants who have not had any contact with one another for months now. See Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Ultramarine/Proposed decision "Consensus version". Ultramarine 20:48, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply. There is also another problem, please see the talk page. Ultramarine 06:53, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Arbitration Point of Order 2

My accused party has just responded to my Statement by inter-mixing his reponses with mine. While I expect a response to my comments in due course, is it acceptable to inter-mix comments in an opening statement in this way? It would be pretty difficult to read if I then counter-replied to his? --Iantresman 23:50, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Edits to a completed AfD

Do you happen to know: are things like this edit allowed? Looks rather inappropriate to me. If you aren't sure, do you have any suggestions who I might ask? -- Jmabel | Talk 06:03, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I stumbled over this question while perusing Recent Changes, and I've been bold and reverted the change to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people described as Stalinists. I might not have done anything if it hadn't been for the fact that the change deleted -- for no discernible reason -- one of my very own edits. --Calton | Talk 06:12, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Pre-pending votes like that makes it easier to count them; however, in this case it was done pretty sloppily. Also, people shouldn't be editing archivedVFD discussions. Raul654 06:41, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Esquire Article

Sorry; I'd been under the impression that those changes were actually made to the article Jimmy Wales, and that the text was in the page history somewhere. --AySz88^-^ 19:13, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Protection

You edit conflicted me unprotecting it! Believe me, I patrol RFPP every day and tell people that often. Knew I'd make that mistake sooner or later. Thanks. Dmcdevit·t 20:29, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikitree

Please read this and this; and then contribute to the discussions here and here. Uncle G 23:41, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sockpuppet checkuser request

I made this request from Jayjg a few days ago, but he also hasn't been around for a few days, so I've gotten no response. I'm going to simply copy and paste what I posted on his talk page. Since I made the request, two of the accounts in question have convicted themselves, and I have put together the following page of evidence: User:Tommstein/Retcon-Missionary Sockpuppet Evidence. What follows is the request I put on Jayjg's talk page, with only the signature updated.


To make a long story short, a couple of us were suspecting that some users that suddenly appeared out of nowhere making trouble and backing each other up were sockpuppets, and, it turns out, they more or less incriminated themselves. Read all about the festivities at Talk:Jehovah's_Witnesses#Dispute tags for Positive and Critical Links Sections, something one of them started in support of the other (sorry that there's a lot of unrelated stuff there), and the initial suspicions at Talk:Jehovah's_Witnesses#"Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files". But now that these first two basically incriminated themselves, we need to check on a few other users that also aroused suspicion before going around slapping sockpuppet tags on pages. I simply request a yes or no answer to a simple question: are these people from Denver (or the surrounding area in Colorado) too? Of course, if you do find some kind of smoking gun, that would be of utmost interest. Following is the list:

Retcon
Missionary
Netministrator
Cairoi
bUcKaRoO
Duffer1
Kool8
DannyMuse
IP law girl
Cobaltbluetony
Elgoodo
Steven Wingerter
Lucille S

I would personally doubt that every single one of those is actually a sockpuppet, but I only seek the yes or no answer to that one question (barring a smoking gun(s) of some kind), nothing that is especially useful to anybody for anything other than confirming or quelling suspicions of sockpuppetry. Thanks.Tommstein 11:13, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Richard O'Connor

Thank you! And please accept this humble offering...Cheers!--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 13:55, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Sorry to have come to your talk page (maybe it was better to ask on the FA's talk page or something, but I didnt know if you'd answer). There's this current FAC —Céline Dion — and there are currently thirteen supports and one oppose. The opposition is based on the user's belief that a featured article "need[s] at least one free use image". (All the images in the article are tagged, with rationales provided on the description page). Many other voters (myself included) believe that this opposition is invalid as 1) Images are not mandatory for articles to become featured, and 2) many (if not all) other featured articles dealing with pop culture have images of the same nature as the Dion article. With this said, Is this objection valid? Also, if it is not resolved, will it impede the success of the candidacy? Oran e (t) (c) (e-mail) 21:39, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FARC/Christmas

Please see the discussion on this page. — 0918BRIAN • 2005-12-20 21:58

Personal Attack Violations from user above

Personal Attack Violations for User Tommstein contrib relating to three areas of No Personal Attacks Policy

  • Negative personal comments & "I'm better than you" attacks, such as "You have no life."

“stop giving pubescent 15-year olds administrative powers”

"half a day has been pissed away because of administrator laziness"

“punk”

“revert ignorance”

“demonstrating him to be full of crap”

“Cairoi's dumbass threat”

“Stupidity is not a defense”

  • Racial, sexual, homophobic, religious or ethnic epithets directed against another contributor. Religious epithets are not allowed even if the contributor is a member of a purported cult.

“Watchtower Society has told them they are to think is just some stupid dumbass”

“refer to Jehovah's Witnesses as 'ignorant numbnuts'”

  • Profanity directed against another contributor

“bastard”

”numbnut”


More examples available upon request

Christmas

... is about to be demoted [8] on account of its being (IMHO) manifestly not ready for prime time. Can we please put something else on 12/25/05? BYT 15:32, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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