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Category moves

Hi Cyde,

Could you make it so that, when moving (or speedily moving) a category from an old title to a new title, Cydebot will delete the old title as a default? This does not appear to be happening currently and can be very problematic depending on why the category was renamed. While a category redirect is often useful, they should be created as a result of human judgment, not mass-created by bot except under very narrow parameters.

Thank you, -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:22, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ping, to keep the archive-bots away. -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly support this request. If the bot is currently keeping redirects that have incoming links from user pages, please ignore User:RussBot/category redirect log and User:Mdann52/CfD. – Fayenatic London 20:18, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Mind you, the best of all worlds would be a way for the admin who lists the category to choose whether the redirect gets kept or not. Maybe on the Working page, split the Speedy and the Move/merge sections into two? Or use a prefix e.g. ** to indicate keeping a redirect? – Fayenatic London 17:01, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Black Falcon and Fayenatic london: Changing the CFDW format would be a bit more work, and we can consider that if we feel that it would be genuinely useful. As a stopgap solution, how about if I simply update the bot to not leave behind a redirect at the old page? Is that better default behavior? That's how the bot was running for a long time (almost a full decade), if I recall correctly. --Cyde Weys 01:52, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I do believe that would be better default behavior for Cydebot. I think Fayenatic london's idea would be optimal, but I do not know the amount of work that would be involved and so hesitate to ask you to take on that burden for a task that takes only seconds to perform manually—literally just typing {{Category redirect|}} and copy-pasting the name of the destination category. Thanks! -- Black Falcon (talk) 02:14, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that not leaving the redirect would be a better default.
Black Falcon, if the category was renamed (as opposed to merged), a much easier option is to Undelete the redirect that is (temporarily) created by moving the page. – Fayenatic London 12:20, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Black Falcon: Exactly how often are redirects desired on the old category page anyway? You'd know better than I. I'll change the default redirection behavior as soon as my other pending fix for edit summary messages goes in. --Cyde Weys 02:44, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
While Cydebot has been generally not deleting them, I've been deleting some but leaving more than 50% in place. Before, I used to create/undelete a lot less than half. So for me, whether they are "desired" depends quite a lot on whether they need any action on my part. Objectively, I prefer to have a redirect where the old name is a plausible category that someone might well add to an article, esp. variant spelling/punctuation, or short/former names e.g. for sports teams.
Pinging @Good Olfactory: as well. – Fayenatic London 12:20, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As Cyde has not implemented this, I have just added a deletion link in Template:Category redirect, following the one at the foot of Template:Cfr-speedy full. This gives admins a quick way to delete unwanted redirects left by the bot. @Good Olfactory: and @BU Rob13: as the most active admins at CFD, is this the most practical way forward? – Fayenatic London 12:58, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's OK for me. Thanks. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:36, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Category deletions/merges

Hi,

Just wondering why some category deletions/merges/etc are done by Cydebot while others are done by humans? Ottawahitech (talk) 05:23, 20 August 2016 (UTC)please ping me[reply]

@Ottawahitech: This decision is not taken by Cyde, but by the closer of the discussion. In small cases (e.g. just containing a couple of sub-cats), or cases that require further manual changes, it's sometimes less work to do the whole thing manually. This option may also be chosen when Cydebot is busy, or (as now) for some reason is not working on categories. Non-admin closers, and admins who are less experienced at CFD, may also implement changes manually. – Fayenatic London 20:13, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Cydebot inactive

In case anybody else comes here looking for news on Cydebot (talk · contribs), which has made no contributions since 23 August, Cyde is now aware of this. – Fayenatic London 21:12, 9 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Update on this, my long-time server that was running Cydebot for over ten years appears to have finally kicked the bucket. I'm not physically located near it, so I can't deal with it in person. The good news is I already pre-emptively off-loaded all the files I'd need to start Cydebot back up and running a long time ago. I've started spinning up the Cydebot tasks on Wikimedia Tool Labs. There's probably going to be a period of increased issues until I get everything running smoothly in the new environment, but after that it should be better in the long run, as Tool Labs presumably has datacenter-quality power, and sysadmins! --Cyde Weys 14:08, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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