User talk:Gerda Arendt
Did you know ...
... that the Polish mezzo-soprano
Agnieszka Rehlis,
who sang in the Grammy Award–winning album
Penderecki conducts Penderecki,
was Verdi's Azucena
in Zürich in 2021?
On Beethoven's birthday: Ah! perfido
(part of his Akademie on 22 December 1808)
Archive of 2009 · 2010 · 2011 · 2012 · 2013 · 2014 · 2015 · 2016 · 2017 · 2018 · 2019 · 2020 + end · 2021 · blushing
Verdi: Il Trovatore
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Gasteig HP8
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take courage · encourage | |
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St. Martin, Moosach |
I know that my redeemer liveth
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2021 · take courage · encourage
calling heaven and earth to be glad |
Welcome 2021! In the end, 2020 looked quite promising, and it's new year's resolutions can stay. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
My motto for 2021 is taken from a song: tell (announce) all in distress to take courage, as Isaiah wrote. Perhaps I should have just said "encourage!"
Today is my grandparents' wedding anniversary. They loved gardening and made a small summer paradise for us kids, with fruits, vegetables, potatoes, abundant flowers, especially dahlias, and a swing, - so garden will be a topic in 2021, as Beethoven was in 2020, today expanding Stonecrop Gardens. Ongoing: Bach, psalms, recent deaths, opera, Germany, and (my) places and songs.
I love collaboration, and can't mention all 2,500 whom I acknowledged so far, so thank just three of them for constant help: LouisAlain (prolific article translations), Grimes2 (language, sources and articles on request) and Yoninah (psalms and DYK). I make you (three) honorary members of WP:QAI, the project about article quality that I inherited, - more detailed plans are laid out (work in progress) on the project talk. The only reward for members is a monthly calendar image I took, such as the year's picture, - if you (all) want that, sign up ;)
I am proud that I could take recent images of music-making I enjoyed, and plan to do more of that. Off to Stonecrop Gardens. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:47, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
The image is taken from my second Christmas card, a double DYK of a Christmas carol and Psalm 148 that Yoninah and I made together. Today: Psalm 148 (Bernstein), in memory of her who was a blessing. · listen --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:31, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
QAI
I sent the following note to members and friends of QAI = quality article improvement, so here to myself ;) - I tried to give a good start to 2021 by updating the QAI project topics. Please check and correct, - did you know that you belong to project's few members from the beginning who are still active? Yes, I know, I joined as No. 6 when it was founded in 2012, No. 1 is blocked, No. 2 is banned (therefore we call the project also the cabal of the outcast), No. 3 moved away and back under a higher number, Nos 4 and 5 edit but do little project work. Here I am to keep it going, in fond memory of the legacy the founders planted. Precious and Impact are the project's prizes, and I offer monthly thanks to those who are active, - you who read this could be one of them ;)
Ongoing projects, besides writing and reviewing quality articles:
- improve Psalms articles
- improve Bach cantatas articles
- expand and source translations
- polish articles about people who recently died
- offer infoboxes
- perform gnomish tasks: spelling mistakes, unclosed new-line html (<br>, replace by <br />), {{ill}} instead of direct links to foreign-language Wikipedias, {{lang}} for foreign-language text, WP:Colons and asterisks by RexxS, navboxes, especially for operas which so far had sidebars, {{sfn}} instead of {{harv}}.
For moar private "happy new year" see here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:10, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Happy New Year
A barnstar for you!
The Special Barnstar | |
Hello, Gerda Arendt! You are receiving this barnstar because, according to this database query and this database query, you were the #6 most thanked Wikipedian of 2020 as well as the #5 most thankful Wikipedian of 2020, with 1716 recipient entries and 3629 performer entries in Special:Log/thanks. Thank you again for your contributions! |
- thank you, without (lazy) click ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oh thankful, too. Now I get it! El_C 22:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- I agree with this wholeheartedly. Gerda is one of the most amazing Wikipedians I have met in my brief time here. Always kind and always helpful. Please keep being who you are, Gerda, which is as close to perfection as one could get. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 16:22, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- blushing with thanks, RoseWolf! - please consider to color you talk blue in your signature, - "red link talk" signals "new user", someone to greet with a first welcome ever, and that seems a bit misleading - if not blue, any other colour better than red - Alternatively, you could link "Wolf" to the talk, - nobody would misread that, I guess. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:28, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'm sorry. It's supposed to be a rose pink hue rather than red. I will most definitely alter the color. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 16:31, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Is this better or should I just drop the "Talk"? --ARoseWolf (Talk) 16:36, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Like this better. Sorry for hijacking your moment. Not my intention in the slightest. Thank you for the tip and congrats. It's well deserved. --ARoseWolf 16:41, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- YES I like that better, much better! I wasn't even "on" here, - household stuff, no moment lost ;) - Among the gnomish tasks further up, there's an essay by a friend (RexxS) about indenting, - good stuff. (If you need any help with templates, formatting, and even admin tasks, ask him. He just survived COVID so can take a lot.) I did indenting for you above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:01, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- I agree with this wholeheartedly. Gerda is one of the most amazing Wikipedians I have met in my brief time here. Always kind and always helpful. Please keep being who you are, Gerda, which is as close to perfection as one could get. --ARoseWolf (Talk) 16:22, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
- Oh thankful, too. Now I get it! El_C 22:58, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Oscar Fritz Schuh
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- my little contrib to Wikipedia 20 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:52, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- Did you know ... that today, Wikipedia celebrates 20 years?
to direct Mozart operas at the Vienna State Opera,
focused on the psychology of the characters?
(15 January 2021)
the choir and orchestra of Dr. Hoch's Konservatorium
and conducted them in Mozart's Requiem
for the centenary of the Lutherkirche?
(15 January 2016)
... that it took more than half a century to complete
the Neue Bach-Ausgabe,
the second edition of the collected works of Johann Sebastian Bach?
(15 January 2011)
- This is fab, well done Gerda! Nice article, never heard of the guy or half of the venues he worked at, so this was highly educational. Thanks! DBaK (talk) 21:49, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
- While the first one was planned for the occasion, the second was a happy coincidence - I sang in that revival - and this last one just a coincidence, one of the articles LouisAlain began, as the one below. GRuban added the pic just yesterday, ot that one could also have been on the Main page, imagine. I love this team! GRuban, would you find a pic for Siegfried Palm as well? My second article, and Jerome Kohl (User talk:Jerome Kohl helped me understand that even if a reliable source says something, it can be wrong. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
- This is fab, well done Gerda! Nice article, never heard of the guy or half of the venues he worked at, so this was highly educational. Thanks! DBaK (talk) 21:49, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Nun lasst uns gehn und treten
On 22 January 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Nun lasst uns gehn und treten, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that both Jochen Klepper and Hildegard Schaeder sought solace amidst the horror of the Nazi regime in Paul Gerhardt's 17th-century New Year's song "Nun lasst uns gehn und treten"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nun lasst uns gehn und treten. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Nun lasst uns gehn und treten), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
The world needs more mensch
I see both sides, but you were right to bring it up. I only knew her through my watch list but I know she was a tireless and fair volunteer. Take care, Tiderolls 13:43, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- thank you, feel understood, and even where I sowed some fruit of response could be enjoyed (because, as I explained to one per email: the message of saying nothing may be correct but is too ambiguous) - I never worked with her on an article, but saw her go and come back several times, and saw her contributions that can hardly be overrated --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:52, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Jerome Kohl
On 28 January 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jerome Kohl, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Jerome Kohl, a music theorist of the University of Washington, was recognized internationally as an authority on the composer Karlheinz Stockhausen, publishing a book on his Zeitmaße in 2017? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jerome Kohl. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Jerome Kohl), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
- This is wonderful. Well-deserved award. :)
- Peace forever, Jerry. Antandrus (talk) 00:47, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
- Friends, you made me cry.
Luigi Nono and Stockhausen at the Darmstädter Ferienkurse |
In Freundschaft
Did you know ...
... that Jerome Kohl,
a music theorist of the University of Washington,
was recognized internationally
as an authority on the composer Karlheinz Stockhausen,
publishing a book on his
Zeitmaße in 2017?
- I looked up to Jerome from the day he came in my life (in 2009, telling me that was a eliable source said about Stockhausen was wrong, - it's still on the talk of Siegfried Palm, my second article), and I imagine our conversations - thoughtful, on a meadow - as pictured, in the spirit of Stockhausen's wonderful titles: In Freundschaft, Kontakte, Originale, Licht ... We never met. We edit-warred over Wittener Tage für neue Kammermusik and Georg Katzer, but always with respect. (If you want a tedious task, change the now deprecated parenthetical references, in hundreds of articles.) We worked together on many other. He thanked me for links to performers of Stockhausen's music, and I tried to mention their relation to the composer on the Main page, see Wolfgang Marschner (intentionally in memory), and before.
- Jerome remains an inspiration, for the world. I will remember what he wrote (about Karlheinz Stockhausen and William Waterhouse (bassoonist) who died within a few weeks in 2011, and Stockhausen had just acknowledged WW for a memorial book): "I hope that they have met again in the beyond and are making joyous music together." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:50, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
- A beautiful bouquet of flowers to celebrate the memory of a special person. Well done Gerda. MarnetteD|Talk 17:16, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Arik Brauer
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:01, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
Congratulations
Your DYK hook about Arik Brauer and his wide-ranging artistic accomplishments drew 12,337 page views (514 per hour) while on the Main Page. It is one of the most viewed hooks so far during the month of February and has earned a place on the Best of February list. Keep up the great work! Cbl62 (talk) 14:13, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Precious!
The Good Heart Barnstar | ||
Thank you for your extraordinary work on Wikipedia and especially for your recognitions and encouragement over the years. All of it is indeed precious. --LilHelpa (talk) 13:34, 19 February 2021 (UTC) |
- Thank you for coming over. I remember how you helped me through a rough start in a foreign language environment, and am always pleased when I see your recognizable name on my watchlist. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:18, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
You are amazing
Amazing Concerto Award | |
Thank you for your tireless contributions to classical music, and for your tireless contributions in keeping readers informed. Your efforts are like a concerto; a solo instrument accompanied by an orchestra. |
- Thank you, lovely, blushing moar - will go to blushing! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
- Yes Gerda, you "really put the T into turtle"! (And yes, I've often seen my role as very much like those tiddlers. Only joking! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:53, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
Did you know ...
... that a church's 1510
spiral of justice declares:
"Justice suffered in great need.
Truth is slain dead.
Faith has lost the battle"?
- I worded the above in 2015 as a comment to my arbcom case, 2013, remember? Now a friend of mine is taken there, and I seem to have language difficulties to even see a problem. ... Drmies, we have this premature arbcase request where the step of personal approach was left out, and going to AN would mean about the same, no? ...
- Regarding my troubles with arbcom: I like a composer with an infobox declared GA. This would not have been possible in the days we better forget. The opera sideboxes - which should have been the only topic in the arbcase - are disappearing nicely. I often said that the ultimate wisdom on arbitration was given here, and the ultimate ten rules (including choosing your battles) here. Can't be repeated too much. I choose not to go to the current arb case request, feeling sorry for the waste of time of all involved: all respected Menschen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:58, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Wilhelm Knabe
MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:06, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
- for future - thank you for the update, Mandarax! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:01, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
RexxS
this user misses Flyer22 Frozen |
this user misses RexxS
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Thank you for Wikipedia:Colons and asterisks, User:RexxS/Infobox factors, and the precious anniversary template that I use every day. I heard my song of defiance yesterday, and Ich lasse dich nicht, du segnest mich denn, BWV 157 (I will not let you go ...) - dance music for a funeral - but let go. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:01, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
what we'll miss --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:58, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
for context: User talk:Hammersoft#Precious anniversary, or: before going to arbcom, try person-to-person talk, and then you hopefully don't have to go to arbcom - caution, long, in a nutshell (Hammersoft, 24 Feb, bolding by me):
I have a much simpler guide to arbitration. After spending many months working on it, cutting a word here, finessing a phrase there, I finally arrived at the final version. Here it is, the Ultimate Guide to Arbitration: Don't.
Don't. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:15, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
Today's little tribute: Vertraut den neuen Wegen - trust the new ways. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:53, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
... last line: Das Land ist hell und weit. The land is bright and wide. (written in 1989 in Germany's East, when it was dark and narrow.) Trust the new ways. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:51, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
, me too!! Atsme 💬 📧 18:31, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Motivation barnstar
The Wikipedia Motivation Barnstar | ||
For your ceaseless efforts to recognize and support Wikipedians, not just through your unending dedication to seek out and recognize good Wikipedians with the Precious award, but going even beyond that to recognize Precious anniversaries. There's no reason you would want to be spending time going to people's pages and recognizing their Precious anniversaries, yet you do it anyway. I don't know why you do it, it's not like you get anything out of it, but you're literally one of the few, if not only, Wikipedians who dedicate themselves to complimenting others. I suspect it's a thankless task, but it's a valuable one. What you do motivates people, it energizes people, and it makes people feel like they're a worthy part of the project and the community. I think you're an unsung hero of this project. Best, ~Swarm~ {sting} 10:11, 1 March 2021 (UTC) |
- Thank you, Swarm, and how I need it right now, myself. - You are wrong though, twice: It's rather selfish because a round of checking what there is to be thankful for, at the beginning of the day, improves my mood, and I receive many thanks for the reminders, - almost undeserved because they are now so easy that RexxS made me the template where all I have to do is pick the right number. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:18, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
- I'm sure we'd never want you to be "unsung", Gerda! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:27, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
- slow Mozart is not bad for my mood - one of my missing friends was inheritance of loss --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:45, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
- Well-deserved accolades from Swarm, Gerda!! You put the class in classical music. It makes sadness a bit more tolerable. I just learned about Yoninah, and my heart sank. I never had the opportunity to collaborate with her, but even so, it always makes me sad to learn a Wikipedian has died. Life is so short. That's why it's so important to be enjoy life to the fullest, and be kind to one another. Always take time to stop and smell the roses.
Atsme 💬 📧 02:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
- I smell wild garlic now! Thank you so much, Atsme, blushing deeper. Did you check out inheritance of loss? 2012, and still on my mind. Flyer22, Yoninah, RexxS - we are loosing those who established high standards for this project. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:12, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
- Well-deserved accolades from Swarm, Gerda!! You put the class in classical music. It makes sadness a bit more tolerable. I just learned about Yoninah, and my heart sank. I never had the opportunity to collaborate with her, but even so, it always makes me sad to learn a Wikipedian has died. Life is so short. That's why it's so important to be enjoy life to the fullest, and be kind to one another. Always take time to stop and smell the roses.
- slow Mozart is not bad for my mood - one of my missing friends was inheritance of loss --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:45, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
- I'm sure we'd never want you to be "unsung", Gerda! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:27, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
- I just wanted to drop by to echo everything that Swarm said - it made a difference to me when you gave me a Precious award, and I've since noticed your support of many others. Thank you for everything you do. Ganesha811 (talk) 15:09, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
Carmen
Carmen, illustration in Journal Amusant |
Carmen is an opera in four acts which Georges Bizet set to a libretto by the team of Henri Meilhac and Ludovic Halévy, based on Prosper Mérimée's novella. When it was first performed by the Opéra-Comique in Paris on 3 March 1875, its breaking of conventions shocked and scandalized its first audiences.
The opera was originally written with musical numbers and spoken dialogue. Set in southern Spain, it tells of the downfall of Don José, a naïve soldier who is seduced by the fiery gypsy Carmen, and finally kills her in a jealous rage. The depictions of proletarian life, immorality, and lawlessness broke new ground in French opera. Bizet died suddenly after the 33rd performance, unaware that the work would achieve international acclaim within the following ten years. Carmen has become one of the most frequently performed operas, with the "Habanera" and the "Toreador Song" among the best known of all operatic arias. The music has been acclaimed for its brilliance of melody, harmony, atmosphere and orchestration, and for Bizet's skill in expressing the emotions and suffering of his characters.
"... in expressing the emotions and suffering of his characters" - worded admirably by Brianboulton, and the apt image added by Voceditenore - great teamwork! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Andréa Guiot
On 8 March 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Andréa Guiot, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Andréa Guiot appeared internationally in French soprano roles such as Mireille, Marguerite, Manon, and Micaëla in Bizet's Carmen, which she recorded alongside Maria Callas in the title role? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Andréa Guiot. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Andréa Guiot), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
IWD II --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Best Wishes for today, with respect (Women's Day ...)
... sorry I don't know how to put a flower icon now)
Liebe Gerda, Ich wünsche Dir alles Bestens für heute mit viele Respekt!(KIENGIR (talk) 14:01, 8 March 2021 (UTC))
- Danke! Look around, two women the team (LouisAlain, Grimes2) worked for DYK, and a friend's article TFA - so far so good. Carmen mentioned again on the Main page also good. Missing a friend is not, - stealing the image from the TFA ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:42, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
- I saw the recruitment advertisement tag at the top, how many women will join WP today? :) (KIENGIR (talk) 14:51, 8 March 2021 (UTC))
- Good Job! Your hard work is very much appreciated. Panini🥪 01:49, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, now going to praise you for your first TFA, - enjoy! - My work is not hard, - hard are the things I don't get done. I'd love more arbitration (example pictured), not what we know here under that name. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:38, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- Good Job! Your hard work is very much appreciated. Panini🥪 01:49, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
- I saw the recruitment advertisement tag at the top, how many women will join WP today? :) (KIENGIR (talk) 14:51, 8 March 2021 (UTC))
A barnstar for you!
The Role Model Barnstar | |
For your daily efforts to spread positivity, to remember, recognise and affirm other Wikipedians. For your empathy, humour, kindness and unflappability. Reading your thoughtful Precious award dedication to me was an uplifting and affirming moment for me. Thank you for all that you do. You are a role model, to me and many others! Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 04:00, 17 March 2021 (UTC) |
- blushing deeply: Kohlrabi Pickle, I try. Kohlrabi today, in the fridge already ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:30, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
- Hehe, make some pickle out of it! Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 10:13, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda, I wanted to share with you that I have created a mini-award to recognise and affirm members of the small community that works on Singapore-related articles. I hope I'm able to bring some of your positivity to this little corner of Wikipedia! Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 05:01, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- That's a lovely idea! The recipient will know what the prize name is, I didn't ;) - I had to understand that the foreign language IS a prize name, and therefore the "(Wikipedia)" made some sense. What do you think of having s translation or explanation instead of the neutral "An award for you", and/or an image that connects immediately to Singapore? ... as the sapphire connects immediately to its photographer who passed the "earlier" stars of "awesome Wikipedian" for several years, my model ... (now blocked), or as the cherry connects to the one who gave it to me ... (then desysopped, and dead, but remembered). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:44, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- That's a great suggestion! Certainly I can do a translation of the award: it is essentially the Wikipedian equivalent of the Meritorious Service Medal, perhaps the equivalent of the British MBE. Maybe I'll put that in the header instead. Do you know anywhere where there's a list or collection of these kinds of awards that I can look at for inspiration? The cherry is indeed a very meaningful symbol. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 12:40, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Excellent! - see Category:Wikipedia awards, + navbox in it, and integrate yours when ready! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:46, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks so much for all your help! Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 12:49, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Excellent! - see Category:Wikipedia awards, + navbox in it, and integrate yours when ready! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:46, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- That's a great suggestion! Certainly I can do a translation of the award: it is essentially the Wikipedian equivalent of the Meritorious Service Medal, perhaps the equivalent of the British MBE. Maybe I'll put that in the header instead. Do you know anywhere where there's a list or collection of these kinds of awards that I can look at for inspiration? The cherry is indeed a very meaningful symbol. Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 12:40, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- That's a lovely idea! The recipient will know what the prize name is, I didn't ;) - I had to understand that the foreign language IS a prize name, and therefore the "(Wikipedia)" made some sense. What do you think of having s translation or explanation instead of the neutral "An award for you", and/or an image that connects immediately to Singapore? ... as the sapphire connects immediately to its photographer who passed the "earlier" stars of "awesome Wikipedian" for several years, my model ... (now blocked), or as the cherry connects to the one who gave it to me ... (then desysopped, and dead, but remembered). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:44, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda, I wanted to share with you that I have created a mini-award to recognise and affirm members of the small community that works on Singapore-related articles. I hope I'm able to bring some of your positivity to this little corner of Wikipedia! Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 05:01, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Hehe, make some pickle out of it! Kohlrabi Pickle (talk) 10:13, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Promotion of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1
- Thank you, Gog, you were mild ;) - It's planned to appear on 25 March 2022. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:57, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Proud I am not, it's the work of many, and I appreciate the help of former editors, reviewers and contributors, especially Francis Schonken, Mathsci and Thoughtfortheday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:10, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
Thank you...
...for arranging such beautiful tributes on Main Page for Yoninah, as well as the Signpost remembrance. I wish I had something as lovely and comforting to offer as you always seem to, but I will have to make do with my thanks and my condolences. I know if I am shocked and griefstricken, it must only be that much more so for you who worked so closely with her for so many years. Truly, I hope those memories may be a blessing. Innisfree987 (talk) 21:27, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, - and yes, she was a blessing to last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Hey there!
I may be semi-retired these days but was thinking of you earlier. So this is just a quick drive-by messaging, to tell you that you are awesome and thank you for all that you do here!! :) - Alison ❤ 04:03, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
- Alison, blushing. I take it as a praise of teamwork. On the Main page now (on Good Friday): the Honan Chapel by Ceoil and friends, who invited me to it last year, and the above cantata, which I just heard and photographed, and nominated late, so could get to there only with friends making exceptions. I am thankful for that. I miss too many people (who died or have just given up, - I wrote He was despised in 2012 thinking not only of Jesus but what we do here to each other, and it still happens), so am especially thankful for each sign of life, like you coming over ;) I'd normally sing in choir today, and miss it, so try to interest some others in the music. Look around! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:26, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
- Alison, when I added your line to the section, I read some again, and found treasures I had forgotten, from people who can't add, - overwhelming. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:44, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
Christ lag in Todes Banden (Christ lay in death's bonds), BWV 4, is a chorale cantata for Easter by Johann Sebastian Bach, one of his earliest church cantatas. It is agreed to be an early work, partly for stylistic reasons and partly because there is evidence that it was probably written for a performance in 1707. Text and music are based on Luther's hymn of the same name, derived from medieval models. In each of seven vocal movements, Bach used the unchanged words of a stanza of the chorale and its tune as a cantus firmus. Although all movements are in E minor, Bach intensified the meaning of the text through a variety of musical forms and techniques. He performed the cantata again as Thomaskantor in Leipzig, beginning in 1724 for his first Easter there. Only this second version survived, scored for four vocal parts (soprano part pictured) and a Baroque instrumental ensemble with strings and a choir of cornetto and three trombones. John Eliot Gardiner described the cantata as Bach's "first-known attempt at painting narrative in music" and "a bold, innovative piece of musical drama".
- Five years ago, when I improved this article, with the help of many, I thought of a dear person who had just died, Alison, and of the conductor who taught me the significance of the piece, and I knew sooner than Wikipedia that he had died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
Happy Easter!
Happy Easter, Gerda! (I'm trusting it's Sunday when you read this.) I was wondering whether I should request an Image Review for the Mynors FAC. I've seen Buidhe do such a review for some candidates; I thought it might be useful to generate progress on the candidacy. Is it appropriate to ask them, or other editors who do these reviews (I've seen Nikkimaria do some), for a review? Or is is better etiquette to wait? All the best, Modussiccandi (talk) 22:27, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you and happy Easter to you! - I'd wait. More regarding Easter after sleep. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:37, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello and good morning to you Gerda. We may not always agree on everything we discuss, but I would still wish to greet you a Happy Easter this year and may the rest of the year be a good one for you. Greetings. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:14, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, and also to you. Thank you for coming over! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
- Haec dies quam fecit Dominus. Exultemus et laetemur in ea. Alleluia! ([1]) Happy Easter! Appreciate your help with the DYK, amongst others. I should have more free time available in a few weeks so any suggestions of something useful to be done? Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 04:19, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
- Christians, awake, salute the happy morn, thank you for that one, true every day, and I just did. Last year, we thought of Penderecki's Haec dies quam fecit Dominus., - true every day. This year, we think of Yoninah and RexxS. May she rest in peace. For him, I silently hope for a resurexxSion. "Don't believe in miracles. Rely on them". (Mascha Kaléko)
- Thanks. Makes me thing: heard this while driving this morning (FA suggestion for next year?); improvised on this (I've heard German tunes sung in French churches with the German lyrics, but considering even Latin is beyond my singers..., I had to content myself with improvising); and then heard this while driving back. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:49, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
- I seriously thought about Erfreut euch, ihr Herzen, for the second day of Easter, for 2023 because next year we try the Morgenstern ;) - Christ ist erstanden: see above, The Song, no Easter without it, and Brahms connects both to Yoninah and Alison, - our conductor did it as his farewell piece. DBaK, we had a trumpet yesterday! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
- RandomCanadian, we (Germans) have an Easter hymn, "Bleibe bei uns, du Wandrer durch die Zeit". Text by de:Peter Gerloff (who is User:Rabanus Flavus), music just says "William Henry Monk 1861". Of which hymn originally? Per the metre, "Christians, awake" would even match. Of course we could ask the author ;) - Imagine: I found it: "Abide with Me". Close enough. Perhaps it's even a translation. Next year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:25, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- Es ist gar keine Übersetzung. Auch, es ist etwas seltsam, dass die Beziehung zwischen die zwei Lieder ist nicht bezeicht (z.B. [2] oder [3]). Though; the "Stay with us, for it is evening" theme is present in both songs (one as a direct quotation/paraphrase from the Emmaus story; the other as a more general prayer). The English hymn is also more commonly (but not exclusively) associated with funerals (somewhat anti-thematic for Easter?). Since you don't seem to have known it (I instantly recognised the melody), here's a good arrangement from Cambridge. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 17:01, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello to Gerda and all! As my name was mentioned here... The evening and decease hymn Abide with me has been turned into German by Theodor Werner, a Protestant pastor, in 1952: "Bleib bei mir, Herr! Der Abend bricht herein". This hymn is in the Evangelisches Gesangbuch (Nr. 488). I had known this version already before, and I always liked the melody, but my "Bleibe bei uns", indeed, is not nor wants to be a translation, but refers to the Emmaus gospel. The Gotteslob (2013) contains another version "Bleib bei uns, Herr" (Nr. 94) with the Monk melody, destinated for evening prayers, but this one is not a translation of Lytes text, either. - Dux vitae mortuus regnat vivus! Österliche Grüße, --Rabanus Flavus (talk) 17:47, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- Danke, und ebenfalls österliche Grüße! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:53, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- Hello to Gerda and all! As my name was mentioned here... The evening and decease hymn Abide with me has been turned into German by Theodor Werner, a Protestant pastor, in 1952: "Bleib bei mir, Herr! Der Abend bricht herein". This hymn is in the Evangelisches Gesangbuch (Nr. 488). I had known this version already before, and I always liked the melody, but my "Bleibe bei uns", indeed, is not nor wants to be a translation, but refers to the Emmaus gospel. The Gotteslob (2013) contains another version "Bleib bei uns, Herr" (Nr. 94) with the Monk melody, destinated for evening prayers, but this one is not a translation of Lytes text, either. - Dux vitae mortuus regnat vivus! Österliche Grüße, --Rabanus Flavus (talk) 17:47, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- Es ist gar keine Übersetzung. Auch, es ist etwas seltsam, dass die Beziehung zwischen die zwei Lieder ist nicht bezeicht (z.B. [2] oder [3]). Though; the "Stay with us, for it is evening" theme is present in both songs (one as a direct quotation/paraphrase from the Emmaus story; the other as a more general prayer). The English hymn is also more commonly (but not exclusively) associated with funerals (somewhat anti-thematic for Easter?). Since you don't seem to have known it (I instantly recognised the melody), here's a good arrangement from Cambridge. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 17:01, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- RandomCanadian, we (Germans) have an Easter hymn, "Bleibe bei uns, du Wandrer durch die Zeit". Text by de:Peter Gerloff (who is User:Rabanus Flavus), music just says "William Henry Monk 1861". Of which hymn originally? Per the metre, "Christians, awake" would even match. Of course we could ask the author ;) - Imagine: I found it: "Abide with Me". Close enough. Perhaps it's even a translation. Next year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:25, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- I seriously thought about Erfreut euch, ihr Herzen, for the second day of Easter, for 2023 because next year we try the Morgenstern ;) - Christ ist erstanden: see above, The Song, no Easter without it, and Brahms connects both to Yoninah and Alison, - our conductor did it as his farewell piece. DBaK, we had a trumpet yesterday! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. Makes me thing: heard this while driving this morning (FA suggestion for next year?); improvised on this (I've heard German tunes sung in French churches with the German lyrics, but considering even Latin is beyond my singers..., I had to content myself with improvising); and then heard this while driving back. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:49, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
- Christians, awake, salute the happy morn, thank you for that one, true every day, and I just did. Last year, we thought of Penderecki's Haec dies quam fecit Dominus., - true every day. This year, we think of Yoninah and RexxS. May she rest in peace. For him, I silently hope for a resurexxSion. "Don't believe in miracles. Rely on them". (Mascha Kaléko)
Happy Easter! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
- A very happy Easter to you Gerda. As ever you include something for me to learn from and that is much appreciated. MarnetteD|Talk 18:45, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, it has been a happy Easter for me. Christ is Risen indeed!--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 02:03, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
Le Sacre du printemps
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Pina Bausch's Tanztheater Wuppertal Barcelona, 2008 |
Le Sacre du printemps is a ballet and orchestral concert work by Igor Stravinsky. It was written for the 1913 Paris season of Sergei Diaghilev's Ballets Russes company, with choreography by Vaslav Nijinsky and stage designs and costumes by Nicholas Roerich. The ballet caused a near-riot in the audience when first performed, on 29 May 1913 at the Théâtre des Champs-Élysées in Paris, but rapidly achieved success, and later became recognised as one of the most influential musical works of the 20th century. The score has many novel features, including experiments in tonality, metre, rhythm, stress and dissonance. The scenario is the celebration of spring by primitive rituals; in the end a sacrificial victim dances herself to death. After its explosive premiere the ballet was not performed until the 1920s, when Léonide Massine's rechoreographed version was the first of many innovative productions by the world's leading choreographers. Providing "endless stimulation for performers and listeners" alike, Le Sacre is among the most recorded works in the classical repertoire.
Article about Stravinsky's ballet by Brian Boulton, 50 years after the composer's death, Aza's idea, thanks to all. It had a scandaloous 1913 premiere. The scandalous 2013 infobox discussion can be read, now with some smiles, in Archive 3. Don't forget: Rhythm is it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:02, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Vertraut den neuen Wegen
On 7 April 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Vertraut den neuen Wegen, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a German theologian wrote "Vertraut den neuen Wegen" to be sung at a wedding in Eisenach shortly before the fall of the Wall? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Vertraut den neuen Wegen. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Vertraut den neuen Wegen), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Maile (talk) 12:01, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- This - trust in new ways - was meant as a call to RexxS, hoping for a resurexxSion. Call to self, also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:41, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
"The only real nation is humanity"
This is so true. If we all just adopted this principle and treated each other with just a touch more kindness and understanding the world would be just a little more sunshine and a little less clouds. And even when the storms came to disrupt our flow through life, the kindness of the songs we interact with in human form and touch our hearts every day would be the colours in our rainbows after the storms pass. I commend you, Gerda, for being one of those songs. My words of encouragement and reflection: You are you. You are Gerda, so just be Gerda. The wonderful soul and colourful song that you are. Uniquely gifted to fit in the niche of life you were so aptly designed to fill. You don't have to do another thing to be the amazing citizen of humanity that others and I see you as. If you never edited again you would still be a beautiful (barn..lol) star. If you never gave another anniversary stone you would still be a precious jewel. Nothing could ever diminish the bright light that is you and everything you have done and continue to do from the moment the colours of life touched those eyes just adds to the brilliance that is Gerda. --ARoseWolf 15:18, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- blushing redder than ever, but before more answer: fresh air --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:21, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- rosewolf, hike was good, food also, back to you: you touched a soft spot. "The only real nation is humanity" is a quote, - I quote Br'er Rabbit who quoted from The Lord of the Flies. He was No. 2 founding member of the cabal of the outcast. I miss him since October 2012, and every precious, and reminder, and flower greeting, is a little tribute. Much of what you praise is only a reflection of the light of others, see? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:45, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- We are influenced by other songs, there is no doubt of that. My song is directly impacted by my father's mother because she took the time to comfort and care for a scared and lost little girl that had given up on life. She taught me that I am a rainbow. That's the personification of humankind and really all life. You do carry parts of their song with you and it has become part of you but it is still you, distinct, individual colours and patterns that are yours. Influenced by others and life experiences but they belong to you. The fact you sharing them just means they are now part of us and we carry a little of your song and, by extension, their songs in us, and now we can pass them on. It's how the strings of our life bind us to each other, them to you, you to us, us to others and so on. --ARoseWolf 19:58, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Thank you (Ched)
I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for weighing in on the "Warning and Welcome" thread. Normally I wouldn't have troubled you, but it is a topic I know you feel strongly about. I also will quickly "welcome" a user if I see they don't have many edits, (provided they haven't shown themselves to be problematic). I think welcoming new users should be a priority, and I truly appreciate and admire all your efforts in that area. I've been sort of overseeing a new editor in the NASCAR area, and trying to help them along the right path. Example: If you look at Nascar9919's talk page, I think you'll see I haven't turned into some sort of unfeeling tough-guy that's just out to sanction people or get them into trouble. Anyway, thank you for your input on that page. Best always, — Ched (talk) 20:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, Ched. Look above, - I just fondly remembered the beginnings of "our" cabal. Please meet my friend (and recent member) with Italian and Alaska influences, and all connected with all. I have to expand an article, - please talk to each other and excuse me until done. (Sorry, no time to look at the other right now.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:16, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- I believe Gerda just introduced us, Ched. It is a great pleasure to meet you. Welcoming new members properly is essential to the encyclopedia and I also admire Gerda for this. I, likewise, commend you for taking a new editor under your "wing" and teaching them. --ARoseWolf 20:47, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- Tsistunagiska, Hello A Rose Wolf, nice to meet you as well. Always nice to meet another Native American, wolf lover, and husky owner/lover. Welcome to the project. Don't hesitate to ping me if needed, although my skill set is limited. Hope you have a great day and rest of the week. Best, Ched — Ched (talk) 21:12, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- — Ched and any other admin, please watch Ashleyyoursmile, I get pings that smell like vandalism. No welcome ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:07, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, Gerda Arendt. It's LTA Evlekis. They are back with their signature harassment and personal attacks. Ashleyyoursmile! 10:10, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Ched, I usually only wiki in the mornings. We basically have 24 hour daylight now so its easier to choose when I sleep and I don't sleep well anyway. We own 38 Huskies and about 16 Malamutes. I was adopted by wolves. I'm watching your page too, Ashleyyoursmile, if you don't mind. --ARoseWolf 13:14, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Now THAT is a lot of pooches to feed. Even my mom never had quite that many when she had her own Collie kennel many years ago. Back in the old chat-room days (Excite IIRC) I went by the handle of "Lone Wolf", and have often used that nickname for many venues. I've owned several Huskies and 1 Malamute what the heck was her name? over the years. Well, anyway - having worked a midnight to 8 shift for years, I can understand the challenges that come with the sunlight, but I've never been to Alaska (although I would loved to have been able to go back when I could). — Ched (talk) 18:14, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Ched, They are sled dogs and I could name them all but we would need a book as some have local Athabascan names and I'd probably need to get the transliteration for them in order to spell them. My lead dog is Little Jack. My team, minus one Husky that passed last year :-( , is the same team that was with Jack (been a sled dog trainer for 20 years and a guide in Alaska for longer and now our personal dog trainer and a sled team operator) and I when we were caught in a snow storm north of Fairbanks in March of 2018. I was suffering from a serious concussion (I hit my head on the brush bow when the u-bolt snapped and the sled flipped and Jack had broken ribs from hitting the handle bar and footboard. All we could do was pack the snow in around us and huddle inside the canvas covered sled wrapping ourselves in blankets. The dogs came back to our location because the dogs are trained to retrace their steps even in the worst conditions. We made it out alive because of the combined survival training of the the dogs and us. --ARoseWolf 18:57, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Tsistunagiska, Wow - that's a story that will live for a long time. Concussions can be very dangerous, so I'm glad you had the wherewithal to protect yourselves for the night. That had to be a very tense time. I'm glad everyone made it out in one piece. — Ched (talk) 19:40, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Ched, we never would have made the night. It was probably -60°f with the wind chill factor. Winds were about 45mph. It was probably only about half an hour to an hour but that's plenty of time to contemplate your death and review your life. In that time the snow had piled up over the sled and Little Jack dug in the snow a little to get to us. I had a pretty bad cut on my forehead and the cold kept it from bleeding worse so that was pretty good but I suffered from migraines for almost two years after that. The last migraine I had was early in 2020. I don't remember much after that as I was in and out of consciousness. I just remember waking up in a hotel bed in Fairbanks. Jack says he took me to the hospital and they checked me over but released me. We've pretty much healed externally but I've never really recovered from that and how can you? It's forever a part of me. --ARoseWolf 20:11, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Tsistunagiska, Wow - that's a story that will live for a long time. Concussions can be very dangerous, so I'm glad you had the wherewithal to protect yourselves for the night. That had to be a very tense time. I'm glad everyone made it out in one piece. — Ched (talk) 19:40, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Ched, They are sled dogs and I could name them all but we would need a book as some have local Athabascan names and I'd probably need to get the transliteration for them in order to spell them. My lead dog is Little Jack. My team, minus one Husky that passed last year :-( , is the same team that was with Jack (been a sled dog trainer for 20 years and a guide in Alaska for longer and now our personal dog trainer and a sled team operator) and I when we were caught in a snow storm north of Fairbanks in March of 2018. I was suffering from a serious concussion (I hit my head on the brush bow when the u-bolt snapped and the sled flipped and Jack had broken ribs from hitting the handle bar and footboard. All we could do was pack the snow in around us and huddle inside the canvas covered sled wrapping ourselves in blankets. The dogs came back to our location because the dogs are trained to retrace their steps even in the worst conditions. We made it out alive because of the combined survival training of the the dogs and us. --ARoseWolf 18:57, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Now THAT is a lot of pooches to feed. Even my mom never had quite that many when she had her own Collie kennel many years ago. Back in the old chat-room days (Excite IIRC) I went by the handle of "Lone Wolf", and have often used that nickname for many venues. I've owned several Huskies and 1 Malamute what the heck was her name? over the years. Well, anyway - having worked a midnight to 8 shift for years, I can understand the challenges that come with the sunlight, but I've never been to Alaska (although I would loved to have been able to go back when I could). — Ched (talk) 18:14, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Ched, I usually only wiki in the mornings. We basically have 24 hour daylight now so its easier to choose when I sleep and I don't sleep well anyway. We own 38 Huskies and about 16 Malamutes. I was adopted by wolves. I'm watching your page too, Ashleyyoursmile, if you don't mind. --ARoseWolf 13:14, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, Gerda Arendt. It's LTA Evlekis. They are back with their signature harassment and personal attacks. Ashleyyoursmile! 10:10, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- — Ched and any other admin, please watch Ashleyyoursmile, I get pings that smell like vandalism. No welcome ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:07, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Tsistunagiska, Hello A Rose Wolf, nice to meet you as well. Always nice to meet another Native American, wolf lover, and husky owner/lover. Welcome to the project. Don't hesitate to ping me if needed, although my skill set is limited. Hope you have a great day and rest of the week. Best, Ched — Ched (talk) 21:12, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- I believe Gerda just introduced us, Ched. It is a great pleasure to meet you. Welcoming new members properly is essential to the encyclopedia and I also admire Gerda for this. I, likewise, commend you for taking a new editor under your "wing" and teaching them. --ARoseWolf 20:47, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
- Tsistunagiska, - Yep, I can see how something like that would stick with you - very scary time IMO. I could easily imagine a nightmare creeping in, and maybe for years to come. Glad you had Jack and little Jack around. — Ched (talk) 20:24, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- agree - talking of Jack, for a circle --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Ched Oh, I'd need to tell you the whole story for you to get the full experience but we can do that another time and place. I am putting together my journals for some future literary work, perhaps the "Memoirs of Asareel: The Alaskan rainbow" (lol). --ARoseWolf 20:35, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
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Ched, I think the infobox wars are over. Happy day! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Glad to hear that Gerda ... that will make things much more peaceful. Cheers. — Ched (talk) 18:14, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you! - RoseWolf, just a short explanation: the infobox wars were first documented in 2005, example pictured from 2012, with two protagonists for the infobox, the before-mentioned Br'er Rabbit and Andy. They were accused of having driven the author off Wikipedia by that discussion. (I was on the other side, back then, imagine.) Br'er left us later that year, and I continued his work a bit. A 2013 example was Joseph (opera). It got an infobox today. (In 2013, Ched asked the arbitration committee to solve the disputes. They failed to even look at the problem, and made it bigger by asking us in the end to fight it out on every individual article talk. Short version. Long version here.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- I've had limited dealing with the arbitration committee and/or ANI but from what I have seen, admittedly the personal perception of a wiki-noob, they don't seem to be extremely helpful and actually hurt the encyclopedia more than help. True enough, there are disruptive editors who need to be dealt with but more times than not I have seen good editors who held a different perspective be eviscerated and destroyed because of a personal dislike, rather than actual policy. It's why I avoid those situations as much as possible. Nine times out of ten they are a negative to the encyclopedia than a positive. -ARoseWolf 19:51, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Just look at #RexxS or the Ultimate guide to arbitration: Don't. Seriously. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:08, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Agree with that sentiment...Don't. --ARoseWolf 20:16, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- A project that doesn't need an arbitration committee would by great! - Tell me the 10 percent that were not a waste of time, please. One case that made life better for us users, please. - While the arguments about infobox opera (which is the only type of infobox the arbs should have looked at in 2013, because it was new and caused trouble when introduced) may have ceased, we still talk about CITEVAR (another waste of time) and whether the "based_on" parameter may mention a Bible story citing the Bible verse(s), or if it needs a secondary source to say so (another waste of time). I have no time today, but anybody is welcome. Thanks to Michael Bednarek for holding my position (but reverted as I write this). Still the same opera, of course. - In case you have extra time but want to do something productive: a peer review is open for Shoot for the Stars, Aim for the Moon, and another for my song of defiance (yes, not only death and fear, but arbitration also), - both not by me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- I am sure all the members of the committee and most every admin here at Wikipedia are legitimately great human beings. But I can not fathom some of the logic behind decisions made. I used to just say that I don't know everything they know but I actually believe I know more than they know, in most cases, details not important as to how but we'll call it an intuition. The fact is that I haven't seen a single case, taken up, that wasn't, itself, disruptive to the encyclopedia and the community. One would think they are in a bit of a catch because no matter how they ruled there would be those in disagreement. True enough, but the decisions themselves seem disruptive and arbitrary, even more so than the process by which the decisions were made. --ARoseWolf 14:44, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Agree. The system is flawed, - the so-called evidence is typically a heap of memories of things that went wrong. I know only one case in detail, so am biased, but it drove me crazy when they wanted to ban my friend Andy (mentioned above) as if that would have helped. One of the arbs cited a diff when voting to ban (and it was the majority vote for that ban) where Andy uncollapsed an infobox that I had inserted in an article I had written. I bet that arb didn't read the diff right, and thought Andy had added that infobox, and never bothered to find out what kind of article that was, and if that was welcome or not. Just voted to ban. Kafkaesque. Otherwise a pleasant person, offering tea when you enter his talk. As you say, great human beings. - Don't get near. In case they call me again, I'll not participate. Do you know what I thought was the ultimate guide (until the more ultimate Don't)? Written by Raymond Arritt, missed much. Look! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:43, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oh wow, that was close to four years ago. I still lived in Haines and didn't even know what Wikipedia was. I'm not even sure I had internet or if it was then it was community internet (lol). I still have the same tablet though it's basically useless now. I wish I had been here to meet some of these incredible people. In regards to the arbs, being a great human being doesn't make you uniquely equipped to deal with the issues that arise. People, good people, have hurt me all my life. Most don't even know how or why they have hurt me. The majority act out of ignorance. They don't really have a solution but a solution must be found or they feel they will lose face. In the name of saving the castle they actually dismantle it stone by stone but because it's a slow process they don't even realize what they have done and most never will. But one day they, or those that follow after them, will remove the stone holding it all together and it WILL collapse upon itself. There may be portions that stand like the ruins of the ancient marvels of antiquity but the real substance and depth of meaning will have long left. The great halls of reason and understanding will have faded from memory. All that is left is the husk, a reminder of potentiality and what might have been. Common ground, collaboration, good faith, sharing of ideas and a genuine caring of others will simply be terms that one uses to make them feel good about life and themselves. But without the desire to fill in every syllable spoken and each letter written with the fullness of ones passion they will simply remain empty promises devoid of all life essence. Hope? I love the quote "Soulwork is not a high road. It is a deep fall into unforgiving darkness that won't let you go until you find the song that sings you home." I am sure that could mean something different depending on who you speak to but I find that encouraging. Life is dirty. Life is messy. You get damaged and cut and hurt and wounded. It seems like darkness is always lurking and ready to take you but there is a song, somewhere, somehow. The soulwork is finding it. There is a rainbow, even in the darkness. There is color, music, life, dreams that can lead you home. Here, in the middle of the madness that is this encyclopedia, I find songs. My hope is to be a song as well. --ARoseWolf 16:59, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- You are a song! - I haven't written my article of the day yet (about a nature reserve where I was today, and where the April flowers were taken last year), and the telephone is ringing a lot, so no focused response right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:28, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oh wow, that was close to four years ago. I still lived in Haines and didn't even know what Wikipedia was. I'm not even sure I had internet or if it was then it was community internet (lol). I still have the same tablet though it's basically useless now. I wish I had been here to meet some of these incredible people. In regards to the arbs, being a great human being doesn't make you uniquely equipped to deal with the issues that arise. People, good people, have hurt me all my life. Most don't even know how or why they have hurt me. The majority act out of ignorance. They don't really have a solution but a solution must be found or they feel they will lose face. In the name of saving the castle they actually dismantle it stone by stone but because it's a slow process they don't even realize what they have done and most never will. But one day they, or those that follow after them, will remove the stone holding it all together and it WILL collapse upon itself. There may be portions that stand like the ruins of the ancient marvels of antiquity but the real substance and depth of meaning will have long left. The great halls of reason and understanding will have faded from memory. All that is left is the husk, a reminder of potentiality and what might have been. Common ground, collaboration, good faith, sharing of ideas and a genuine caring of others will simply be terms that one uses to make them feel good about life and themselves. But without the desire to fill in every syllable spoken and each letter written with the fullness of ones passion they will simply remain empty promises devoid of all life essence. Hope? I love the quote "Soulwork is not a high road. It is a deep fall into unforgiving darkness that won't let you go until you find the song that sings you home." I am sure that could mean something different depending on who you speak to but I find that encouraging. Life is dirty. Life is messy. You get damaged and cut and hurt and wounded. It seems like darkness is always lurking and ready to take you but there is a song, somewhere, somehow. The soulwork is finding it. There is a rainbow, even in the darkness. There is color, music, life, dreams that can lead you home. Here, in the middle of the madness that is this encyclopedia, I find songs. My hope is to be a song as well. --ARoseWolf 16:59, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Agree. The system is flawed, - the so-called evidence is typically a heap of memories of things that went wrong. I know only one case in detail, so am biased, but it drove me crazy when they wanted to ban my friend Andy (mentioned above) as if that would have helped. One of the arbs cited a diff when voting to ban (and it was the majority vote for that ban) where Andy uncollapsed an infobox that I had inserted in an article I had written. I bet that arb didn't read the diff right, and thought Andy had added that infobox, and never bothered to find out what kind of article that was, and if that was welcome or not. Just voted to ban. Kafkaesque. Otherwise a pleasant person, offering tea when you enter his talk. As you say, great human beings. - Don't get near. In case they call me again, I'll not participate. Do you know what I thought was the ultimate guide (until the more ultimate Don't)? Written by Raymond Arritt, missed much. Look! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:43, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- I am sure all the members of the committee and most every admin here at Wikipedia are legitimately great human beings. But I can not fathom some of the logic behind decisions made. I used to just say that I don't know everything they know but I actually believe I know more than they know, in most cases, details not important as to how but we'll call it an intuition. The fact is that I haven't seen a single case, taken up, that wasn't, itself, disruptive to the encyclopedia and the community. One would think they are in a bit of a catch because no matter how they ruled there would be those in disagreement. True enough, but the decisions themselves seem disruptive and arbitrary, even more so than the process by which the decisions were made. --ARoseWolf 14:44, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- A project that doesn't need an arbitration committee would by great! - Tell me the 10 percent that were not a waste of time, please. One case that made life better for us users, please. - While the arguments about infobox opera (which is the only type of infobox the arbs should have looked at in 2013, because it was new and caused trouble when introduced) may have ceased, we still talk about CITEVAR (another waste of time) and whether the "based_on" parameter may mention a Bible story citing the Bible verse(s), or if it needs a secondary source to say so (another waste of time). I have no time today, but anybody is welcome. Thanks to Michael Bednarek for holding my position (but reverted as I write this). Still the same opera, of course. - In case you have extra time but want to do something productive: a peer review is open for Shoot for the Stars, Aim for the Moon, and another for my song of defiance (yes, not only death and fear, but arbitration also), - both not by me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Agree with that sentiment...Don't. --ARoseWolf 20:16, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Just look at #RexxS or the Ultimate guide to arbitration: Don't. Seriously. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:08, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- I've had limited dealing with the arbitration committee and/or ANI but from what I have seen, admittedly the personal perception of a wiki-noob, they don't seem to be extremely helpful and actually hurt the encyclopedia more than help. True enough, there are disruptive editors who need to be dealt with but more times than not I have seen good editors who held a different perspective be eviscerated and destroyed because of a personal dislike, rather than actual policy. It's why I avoid those situations as much as possible. Nine times out of ten they are a negative to the encyclopedia than a positive. -ARoseWolf 19:51, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you! - RoseWolf, just a short explanation: the infobox wars were first documented in 2005, example pictured from 2012, with two protagonists for the infobox, the before-mentioned Br'er Rabbit and Andy. They were accused of having driven the author off Wikipedia by that discussion. (I was on the other side, back then, imagine.) Br'er left us later that year, and I continued his work a bit. A 2013 example was Joseph (opera). It got an infobox today. (In 2013, Ched asked the arbitration committee to solve the disputes. They failed to even look at the problem, and made it bigger by asking us in the end to fight it out on every individual article talk. Short version. Long version here.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
I found a song, User:Geogre, to listen to ;-). I fail to listen to my grandfather sometimes. "When speaking truth use fewer words...there is less to remember." Yes, grandfather, but the words are inside me and if I don't write them down and share them I am going to explode (lol). Enjoy your time with your memories of nature and those April flowers, Gerda :-D. Write it down! --ARoseWolf 19:11, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- I know Geogre because RexxS rescued his images from deletion. Who will do that now? - Some day, I'll write my memories, but today, I just translate from the German Wikipedia. I'll find a way to include the flowers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:53, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Look, a start. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks to Andy who wasted more time and fixed the Bible reference. - I leave the April pic because Wild garlic is still blooming, seen yesterday, and chamomile not yet. Later today: expanding a park (pictured), thinking of a friend's birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:07, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Looks beautiful. I have a brother in Dresden and one of the brothers that lives here in Alaska with me moved from München and brought his family. I am trying to finish up the few remaining redlinks for protected places in Alaska. Curious, why would Geogre's images get deleted? --ARoseWolf 13:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- The images were self-portraits so not used in articles. As if we had no other problems ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- ps: see User:RexxS#Geogre, and User talk:Geogre, - look for RexxS, how he defended all these proposed deletions, also of other images. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Looks beautiful. I have a brother in Dresden and one of the brothers that lives here in Alaska with me moved from München and brought his family. I am trying to finish up the few remaining redlinks for protected places in Alaska. Curious, why would Geogre's images get deleted? --ARoseWolf 13:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
Re [SlimVirgin]
- We deal with life and death of SlimVirgin, an editor who was one of the pillars of the project. Particularly the use of templates on her pages.
To take you up on your comment, I just thought the placement was a misfire. It struck me as odd when I opened the page that I had to scroll down an entire screen to see the template, since in the future it'll be important that people looking for help realize they'll need to ask someone else, and the one on her userpage was also badly positioned (which I fixed). Nothing I feel all that strongly about. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:43, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
Just saw your comment on my talkpage, we can continue there if needed. Sorry for any confusion. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:45, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- The Blade of the Northern Lights, how are my talk page watchers supposed to know that you speak about placing the "deceased" template on user and talk of SlimVirgin, and where? She left her user page like this. I think the template is out of style in whichever position. When I die, please no template, and no "deceased". - Edit conflict. We can also continue here, perhaps better for when I die ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:57, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- Apologies for the confusion. I just happened across them already being there, and repositioned them thinking they were just out of whack instead of not supposed to be there at all. Since I never knew any of this, I'm happy for anyone else to remove them; no objections from me at all. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:07, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter where they are and it's certainly not worth the discussion. I placed the one on the talk page, couldn't make heads or tails of the markup and placed where it landed after a few tries but it was not the top of the list of things I was concerned about in the moment. If it can go to the top that's probably fine too, but fwiw it does look ok underneath that nice image. That said, zero preferences from the person who did the placing. Thanks to Gerda for hosting the discussion, best here than on that talk page. Victoria (tk) 23:29, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: If I have anything to say about it your wishes will be met. Wikipedia is very adamant that our user/talk pages don't belong to us, which is ridiculous by its very notion, and it may be the point at which I leave Wikipedia for good or am permanently banned but a person's preference should be honored out of goodwill. I lean heavily towards leaving their user/talk pages as is, myself. Archiving the talk page and adding a new section about them being deceased seems appropriate. That's my personal principles kicking in. --ARoseWolf 14:34, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. What do you think about the precise case below? Light green, intentionally so, and now contrasted with the black and yellow of the template? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:44, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'm probably not the one to ask about colors but since you did, colors, from my viewpoint, are living representations of individual states of mind, moods, senses and character traits. Beyond what the typical synesthete would say, because if I purely operated from that view I would never see her page the way you all do anyway, I can say that she organized and colored her page the way she wanted to be representative of herself. Deviation from that would be, in my view, a dishonor and disrespect of the individual. Let me say that I don't believe anyone here is intentionally doing anything to dishonor out of malice. But that's my personal view of the situation. --ARoseWolf 15:13, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. What do you think about the precise case below? Light green, intentionally so, and now contrasted with the black and yellow of the template? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:44, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Apologies for the confusion. I just happened across them already being there, and repositioned them thinking they were just out of whack instead of not supposed to be there at all. Since I never knew any of this, I'm happy for anyone else to remove them; no objections from me at all. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:07, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
template and page style
Some related observations and thoughts, about user page and user talk page of Slim version, and in general, and {{deceased}}:
- SlimVirgin was conscious of the appearance of her personal pages.
- She changed the image on her talk page from a sleeping woman (which she showed on top as long as I remember) on 19 March.
- On 8 April, she added the image of RexxS on top of her user page, archived her talk page and added light-green background to both pages.
- I feel that the template is one of those falling into the category "don't template the regulars". Both pages would be perfectly understood without it, and have been understood by all those mourning. We could just add her pages to the categories the template automatically applies. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:17, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- I'm stunned...I didn't know. When did SV die? —valereee (talk) 20:50, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- We don't know exactly when Sarah died, early May, last edit 18 April. See WP:Deceased Wikipedians/2021#SlimVirgin. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- I gave her Impact - too late. Mentioning her statement in the arb case request in a link. Arbs should listen to women more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Such an amazing person. I cant agree with that last statement anymore than I already do. This whole encyclopedia needs to listen to women more. --ARoseWolf 15:33, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- I completely agree! Bishonen, Littleolive oil, Montanabw, Atsme, Sarah, and I, later also valereee - we all said the same, actually the most experienced arb, Newyorkbrad, also said so, but these men - only men right now afaik - ignored us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:45, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- I honestly believe it stems from a familiarity with our own points of view. I have said, for a long time, that we all have a conflict of interest in every subject that we have ever had the smallest participation in. Conflict does not mean the opposition is my physical enemy. Conflict means opposing viewpoints are antagonist to my own. We all have interests and those become the subject of the conflict. So anyone with opposing or differing views, from all sides of a particular topic or subject, has a conflict of interest. That's part of being human. Passion for our interests, a very real state of being, is what drives our conflicts. I don't care if you are an arbitrator for wikipedia or a judge sitting on a bench deciding criminal and civil cases, you have a conflict of interest and I know most strive to separate their personal viewpoints from decisions made but that is an impossible task. It will never happen. It is impossible to have a completely neutral outcome from arbitration. It is impossible to have a truly fair or equitable result. It doesn't take a genius to review the notice board or arbitrary cases to see this is factual when it involves the review of human beings and their actions. --ARoseWolf 16:46, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Tbh, RexxS did the exact thing he felt was the best option for him, he walked away. When confronted with the understanding that the system is skewed by its very nature because it is a human made system, and there was no way in hell he was going to get a fair shake, he reviewed his two options, stay and fight and subject himself to a grueling, bitter and stressful inquisition which would have resulted in the same outcome (I don't care what anyone else says, that case was decided before the evidence was provided because nothing provided was enough to alter its course much one way or the other) or walk away with even a sliver of dignity and respect, even if only within his own mind. The character assassination ensued about as I expected it would, of course, with the occasional nod towards a feigned respect of RexxS's contributions throughout the years, if for no other reason than to make the individual saying it feel better about the massacre of a human beings dignity they were engaged in. Sprinkle in a few ignorant and misguided comments about how you don't have to be an admin to still be a major contributor to the encyclopedia which sounded absolutely absurd when contrasted by the veracity by which every minute detail of RexxS's actions here were painstakingly scrutinized to find errors in judgement that are quite common among the species. The result was never in doubt. Even the comments by committee members about how their decision was going to be disagreed with no matter the outcome simply points to their unwillingness to admit the conflict of interest by which they entered the case. Its all to make them feel better and it is a common practice among humanity to do this. No one, from any side has acted outside what was expected from the onset. RexxS weighed his options and I believe he did it with great attention to the consequences, not from arbcom because anyone with enough sense and a willingness to actually see the truth of humanity would draw the same conclusions I have, but the consequences to an encyclopedia that himself and even the allies, opposition and arbcom members genuinely care about. He decided, with the outcome of little doubt, that the best thing he could do for the encyclopedia and himself was to walk away. Arbcom did not win, the opposition did not win, civility did not win, Wikipedia did not win, humanity did not win. All accounts lost. That's the result of arbcom when it deals with humanity. That's the result of conflicts of interest when the passion and the love of ones own views outweighs reasoned temperance. --ARoseWolf 17:16, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- I said (Hammersoft talk) that the case would not improve kindness, nor a single article. Cassandre again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:44, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Spot on as usual. I tried explaining this with my ex-husband years ago when he felt I should be more upset over him leaving the way he did. My seemingly blasé attitude was not because his actions did not affect me. If he would have known me better then he would have understood that my actions were completely in character for myself. I point inward when tragic events occur. The normally talkative and bubbly personality turns to quiet reflection. Most likely I would withdraw like RexxS did rather than engage in defense of myself. If I am still talking then I haven't reached that point. --ARoseWolf 18:05, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- I was quite bubbly in "our" case, but then understood the perfect guide, nutshell: "Arbitrators usually work from broad impressions and do not consider details, nuance, or context." and finally "You're completely on your own in interpreting any nuances or inconsistencies in the announced decision. While it is possible to file a request for clarification my experience is that the Arbitrators would rather gnaw their own limbs off than provide meaningful guidance to the implications of their decisions." - So, if another case came along, I'd just not participate. Waste of time. Did you read the fascinating bio of Raimund Hoghe? That's what we are here for. He who wrote the guide was also a Raymond in real life. We wanted him for arb. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- I did read the bio. His life was quite intriguing to me. I often wonder if he knew just how impactful he was. I think most people are like that. We are our own biggest critics. You put me on to so many intriguing life songs. Now I need to go read about Raymond. I read everything. It fascinates me. I take my time. I digest all words and roll them around inside me hoping to fully understand the complexity of the individual(s) that constructed them. Sometimes this takes longer than other times. When I was first introduced to RexxS, by you, I spent the better part of a day or two just pouring over his talk page and user page, then I branched out to the case. I have spent a lot of time looking at it, just allowing the depth of me to consume each word to determine the motive and feeling behind it. EVERY word/action has its base foundation in feeling and a state of being. The colors help me but its still my human personality that determines how I see it to a degree. I can own that it is initially tainted by the lens of my own system of colors and sounds. But then I take time to filter it through my understanding of humanity from the experience of life, just life. The results are as neutral and objective a conclusion that I can possibly determine. --ARoseWolf 19:03, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Raymond Arritt - I miss him every day, although we chatted only once a year, for Precious anniversary. I had no idea what he did for the environment, until he died. - He is quoted in my edit notice, note to self. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:09, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- I will pick up with Raymond later but he seems to be another song that I would have liked the personal interaction with. --ARoseWolf 20:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- As a bloke (albeit not a particularly stereotypical one) I can empathise with the view that "This whole encyclopedia needs to listen to women more." In fact, I'd go a bit further, and say that this whole encyclopedia needs to listen to the widest and most diverse set of people that it possibly can. It will ultimately make the encyclopedia better. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:03, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Good point, and no contradiction: I don't mean don't listen to men, and see, the three in my edit notice are all men. For Alazi, I didn't know for a while - because of the image on the user page of a naked woman looking at herself in a mirror, but of course a man's view, and because of saying that man/woman is way to simple - and I actually liked not to know and both possible, and both good - but on one occasion he said something like "of course I'm a man or I could take this shit better". How I miss him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:04, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Life here in wild Alaska doesn't care if you are a man or woman. That's one of the reasons I love it so much. There is one law...survive. You know where you stand and you better mind your step. My sister-in-law and I were driven off the trail by a pack of wolves while we were out on a ptarmigan hunt once. I cared not that we were saved by men. I love the diversity of the sources of knowledge here. I agree that we should listen more to them all. --ARoseWolf 17:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Good point, and no contradiction: I don't mean don't listen to men, and see, the three in my edit notice are all men. For Alazi, I didn't know for a while - because of the image on the user page of a naked woman looking at herself in a mirror, but of course a man's view, and because of saying that man/woman is way to simple - and I actually liked not to know and both possible, and both good - but on one occasion he said something like "of course I'm a man or I could take this shit better". How I miss him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:04, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- As a bloke (albeit not a particularly stereotypical one) I can empathise with the view that "This whole encyclopedia needs to listen to women more." In fact, I'd go a bit further, and say that this whole encyclopedia needs to listen to the widest and most diverse set of people that it possibly can. It will ultimately make the encyclopedia better. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:03, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- I will pick up with Raymond later but he seems to be another song that I would have liked the personal interaction with. --ARoseWolf 20:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Raymond Arritt - I miss him every day, although we chatted only once a year, for Precious anniversary. I had no idea what he did for the environment, until he died. - He is quoted in my edit notice, note to self. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:09, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- I did read the bio. His life was quite intriguing to me. I often wonder if he knew just how impactful he was. I think most people are like that. We are our own biggest critics. You put me on to so many intriguing life songs. Now I need to go read about Raymond. I read everything. It fascinates me. I take my time. I digest all words and roll them around inside me hoping to fully understand the complexity of the individual(s) that constructed them. Sometimes this takes longer than other times. When I was first introduced to RexxS, by you, I spent the better part of a day or two just pouring over his talk page and user page, then I branched out to the case. I have spent a lot of time looking at it, just allowing the depth of me to consume each word to determine the motive and feeling behind it. EVERY word/action has its base foundation in feeling and a state of being. The colors help me but its still my human personality that determines how I see it to a degree. I can own that it is initially tainted by the lens of my own system of colors and sounds. But then I take time to filter it through my understanding of humanity from the experience of life, just life. The results are as neutral and objective a conclusion that I can possibly determine. --ARoseWolf 19:03, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- I was quite bubbly in "our" case, but then understood the perfect guide, nutshell: "Arbitrators usually work from broad impressions and do not consider details, nuance, or context." and finally "You're completely on your own in interpreting any nuances or inconsistencies in the announced decision. While it is possible to file a request for clarification my experience is that the Arbitrators would rather gnaw their own limbs off than provide meaningful guidance to the implications of their decisions." - So, if another case came along, I'd just not participate. Waste of time. Did you read the fascinating bio of Raimund Hoghe? That's what we are here for. He who wrote the guide was also a Raymond in real life. We wanted him for arb. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Spot on as usual. I tried explaining this with my ex-husband years ago when he felt I should be more upset over him leaving the way he did. My seemingly blasé attitude was not because his actions did not affect me. If he would have known me better then he would have understood that my actions were completely in character for myself. I point inward when tragic events occur. The normally talkative and bubbly personality turns to quiet reflection. Most likely I would withdraw like RexxS did rather than engage in defense of myself. If I am still talking then I haven't reached that point. --ARoseWolf 18:05, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- I said (Hammersoft talk) that the case would not improve kindness, nor a single article. Cassandre again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:44, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Tbh, RexxS did the exact thing he felt was the best option for him, he walked away. When confronted with the understanding that the system is skewed by its very nature because it is a human made system, and there was no way in hell he was going to get a fair shake, he reviewed his two options, stay and fight and subject himself to a grueling, bitter and stressful inquisition which would have resulted in the same outcome (I don't care what anyone else says, that case was decided before the evidence was provided because nothing provided was enough to alter its course much one way or the other) or walk away with even a sliver of dignity and respect, even if only within his own mind. The character assassination ensued about as I expected it would, of course, with the occasional nod towards a feigned respect of RexxS's contributions throughout the years, if for no other reason than to make the individual saying it feel better about the massacre of a human beings dignity they were engaged in. Sprinkle in a few ignorant and misguided comments about how you don't have to be an admin to still be a major contributor to the encyclopedia which sounded absolutely absurd when contrasted by the veracity by which every minute detail of RexxS's actions here were painstakingly scrutinized to find errors in judgement that are quite common among the species. The result was never in doubt. Even the comments by committee members about how their decision was going to be disagreed with no matter the outcome simply points to their unwillingness to admit the conflict of interest by which they entered the case. Its all to make them feel better and it is a common practice among humanity to do this. No one, from any side has acted outside what was expected from the onset. RexxS weighed his options and I believe he did it with great attention to the consequences, not from arbcom because anyone with enough sense and a willingness to actually see the truth of humanity would draw the same conclusions I have, but the consequences to an encyclopedia that himself and even the allies, opposition and arbcom members genuinely care about. He decided, with the outcome of little doubt, that the best thing he could do for the encyclopedia and himself was to walk away. Arbcom did not win, the opposition did not win, civility did not win, Wikipedia did not win, humanity did not win. All accounts lost. That's the result of arbcom when it deals with humanity. That's the result of conflicts of interest when the passion and the love of ones own views outweighs reasoned temperance. --ARoseWolf 17:16, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- I honestly believe it stems from a familiarity with our own points of view. I have said, for a long time, that we all have a conflict of interest in every subject that we have ever had the smallest participation in. Conflict does not mean the opposition is my physical enemy. Conflict means opposing viewpoints are antagonist to my own. We all have interests and those become the subject of the conflict. So anyone with opposing or differing views, from all sides of a particular topic or subject, has a conflict of interest. That's part of being human. Passion for our interests, a very real state of being, is what drives our conflicts. I don't care if you are an arbitrator for wikipedia or a judge sitting on a bench deciding criminal and civil cases, you have a conflict of interest and I know most strive to separate their personal viewpoints from decisions made but that is an impossible task. It will never happen. It is impossible to have a completely neutral outcome from arbitration. It is impossible to have a truly fair or equitable result. It doesn't take a genius to review the notice board or arbitrary cases to see this is factual when it involves the review of human beings and their actions. --ARoseWolf 16:46, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- I completely agree! Bishonen, Littleolive oil, Montanabw, Atsme, Sarah, and I, later also valereee - we all said the same, actually the most experienced arb, Newyorkbrad, also said so, but these men - only men right now afaik - ignored us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:45, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Such an amazing person. I cant agree with that last statement anymore than I already do. This whole encyclopedia needs to listen to women more. --ARoseWolf 15:33, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
I finally finished reading Ray's talk page, every archived word of it. I am absolutely convinced he was one of the coolest guys to ever live. How can I miss him even though I never exchanged words with him? But I do. I have copied the ten points no doubt written by Raymond at some point and expressed through his widow. I will incorporate them into my philosophy on life. It's already pretty close to that anyway. --ARoseWolf 18:01, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- I do like his support for Clinton as President. See also my remarks at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 February 25#Wikipedia:Dramaboard. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:53, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oh! I wrote that! (WP:Ignore all dramas). I'd completely forgotten. -- Yes, I miss Raymond. We had hilarious conversations, including by email. I regret not getting to meet him in "real life". Antandrus (talk) 20:05, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Antandrus and Ritchie333: The amazingly beautiful jewel that is Gerda has put me on the trail of quite a few amazing life songs as of late. I miss them though I never got the opportunity to interact with them but I do have their words and their colors find a way through to me. Each of you were impacted by them and an impact always leaves something behind so part of them is part of you. In that way I do get to meet them through each of you. On top of that I get to listen to your unique songs while improving this project which is pretty incredible for me. --ARoseWolf 20:23, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Tsistunagiska, However, WP:Ignore all dramas also says, as a welcome footnote, "We're still an encyclopedia, and we still need your help." I'm never going to run out of articles to improve, and having taken 150 articles to good article status, the next goal will be to take that total to 200. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:40, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Absolutely, Ritchie, yes. And Tsistunagiska, in one of those haunting synchronicities in life, I delivered almost exactly your thought, in some of your words, when I gave the eulogy at a memorial service not long ago. We often underestimate the impact we leave on others, sometimes by a lot. You put it really well. Antandrus (talk) 22:01, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- impact - thank you! - (May I introduce Dreadstar to you, RoseWolf? ... who helped me to 'ignore, ignore, ignore" in 2012) --- I need help with translation. Wo Menschen sich vergessen, that phrase, and the the refrain "Da berühren sich Himmel und Erde, dass Frieden werde unter uns". There heaven and earth touch each other so that peace may come (become? grow? be? develop?) among us. - "werden" is hard in English. "Es werde Licht" (from Genesis). - "Menschen" is hard. "sich berühren" is hard. "Himmel" is hard. - And all too long for DYK. I'll probably just say that it was the openening of the streamed service for the ecumenical open air service opening the Kirchentag in Frankurt, planned as a giant meeting in an arena, now instead on a parkdeck with four singers, with the skyline somewhat as pictured above. You saw the skyscrapers right and the Paulskirche left, under a blue sky (Himmel) on Ascension Day (Himmelfahrt). Wo Menschen sich vergessen, where people let go of their ego peace may come. Antandrus, you said that recently, - back to impact ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:32, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Ritchie333, Antandrus, and Gerda Arendt: my grandfather loved the phrase Finché c'è vita, c'è speranza - While there is life, there is hope. He slipped me a piece of folded up paper about a week before he passed and told me to hold on to it, that I would know when the right time to read it was. Every time I went to unfold that paper something stopped me. It kind of slipped from memory in the weeks, months and even years that followed. My grandmother didn't handle losing him well. She became more and more sick and the dementia started taking over her life. To add to it, my uncle and aunt (adopted parents) died in a car accident almost a year after he passed. We both didn't handle that well. Her health continued to deteriorate at a rapid pace to the point where she required 24 hour care so I pretty much moved in with her, probably what ended my marriage. One day, she was quite lucid, she called out to grandfather and I don't know if it was the way she said his name or not but I instantly remembered that letter. I ran home and found it and brought it back to my grandmother and as I sat beside her I opened it. At the very top in his handwriting, Finché c'è vita, c'è speranza. He wrote about his life, losing his parents in WW2 and finding my grandmother in Italy and so many memories . Some things I had heard before, somethings I hadn't. He was never one to share many feelings but he poured them into this little letter. He told me what that phrase meant to him. Paraphrasing: "Life doesn't end with death so long as we continue to live inside those that we have impacted." There is always hope so long as the life essence of the earth remains. We are but a string, a note, a melody. One instrumental in a vast ocean that is a symphony of great voices. Our song is unique and important but together with other songs it is the continuation of life and thereby hope remains. --ARoseWolf 13:18, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- That's beautiful. Thank you. Antandrus (talk) 14:37, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- ... yes, and just what I need - singing my song of defiance of death and fear (see top). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:55, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Your story makes an important point - behind each Wikipedia editor is a real person with a background and story to tell. I've had ups and downs in my life too, I just don't feel like expressing them publicly on-wiki. So thank you for wanting to be open about yours. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:30, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- A personal reflection: When you bathe in a stream in the middle of nature and live in a house with very few doors then you quickly learn that your life experiences are not really just your own. Our journey is meant to be shared. Our story is meant to be told. Our song wants to be heard. Who am I to deny it? --ARoseWolf 18:38, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- You listen to my song, wonderfully! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:00, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Sometimes it takes me a little while but I do hear most Songs that I come into contact with. Everyone thinks "conflict" is an evil. I don't view it that way. Conflicts that turn toxic can hurt us and that's why we need filters. We all spin at different speeds. Sometimes we collide causing damage to each other. Other times we find the right Song that helps us repair damage to ourselves. Still other times there is damage that can't be repaired, like a deep scratch on one of those old vinyl records we love so much. It sounds like skips and bumps. Momentary pauses in the Song that is our life adventure. We keep moving though. Keep growing. Keep experiencing. Why? Because life is worth it. The journey has value. I will say that if going through everything in my life lead me to edit and improve this encyclopedia just to meet some of you and share in the beauty that is your Song's then it was absolutely worth it. Dreadstar was an interesting one, different, but equally magnetic. I am very glad they found depositories in which to pour themselves into while they were here. It left an impression on so many. --ARoseWolf 13:43, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- yes, thank you! Dreadstar was an actor, with an IMDb entry, DYK? And such a good friend. He stayed in email contact after he left WP, being desysopped for bad reasons (sounds familiar?) The last email was Christmassy, saying how much he cherished the friendship. The news of his death was a shock, not only for me, as you can see on his talk, which we restored against his will. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- I could tell there was a bit of acting in his approach, particularly early in his talk page. I am not surprised he was desysopped, one of the reasons I always pause before endorsing my support of a candidate for admin. I want to say, "Whatever you believe in, pray to them cause you are going to need it". However, I think most will do well, just stay uncontroversial, something I find hard to do (lol). I noticed his talk page was restored against his will. In this case I feel it is justified. So many can learn the perfectly flawed magnificence that is Dreadstar on Wikipedia if they will simply listen. --ARoseWolf 15:49, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- He was a rather uncontroversial admin until he protected a featured article for a week because of an edit-war about the hidden notice (!) to prevent an infobox. He was called to task for having protected (no more) while involved. Kafka, all the time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- I agree. Seems like such a frivolous and trivial thing to be attacked over. I have read some of the ferocity from all sides in the infobox wars. Not picking a side and rehashing the issues of the past but to lose so many good editors over this, beyond the affect being dressed down and desysopped has on individuals, deserved or not, is simply mind-boggling. --ARoseWolf 16:41, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, people can get very dug in over inconsequential things. I think that once one's ego becomes over-involved, the inconsequential can seem more consequential than it actually is. The world's wisdom traditions all recognize, among other things, that where one's ego is involved, one suffers. Personally I am trying to back away from such conflicts, and there are many such (not only on "infoboxes"). Spending time in nature gives one valuable perspective, I believe. I think I will go outside today. :) Antandrus (talk) 16:53, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Antandrus, I edit while being outside a lot right now for that express purpose. It looks like rain later today. Dark clouds overhead. I will always recommend walking away from enflamed situations here. That is sage advice for us all, self included. I have let myself become over-involved in situations and generally there was an irrational response. Once I was able to reset I could see that and make adjustments. --ARoseWolf 17:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- The problem with the "infobox wars" is that several of the major players on the "anti-infobox" side are people I would consider friends. If consensus is now that articles should have an infobox in order to be considered properly developed, I can get behind that as long as it closes the debate. As for getting "dug in over inconsequential things", I think the other thing to realise is we all have different views on what is important, and all it takes to have a blazing row is to have two editors with strong but diametrically-opposed views that nobody else cares about. I think my current bete noire that I get annoyed about (but no more than that) is people putting frivolous tags on articles (something I know Antandrus has commented on in the past), which makes me wish back to simpler times when WP:SOFIXIT was widely practiced. That said, it does happen if you look closely; when Smirkybec got stuck into improving O'Connell Street with me and actively helped out at the GA review, I thought "hallelujah, collaborative editing's not dead yet!" Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:00, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Antandrus, I edit while being outside a lot right now for that express purpose. It looks like rain later today. Dark clouds overhead. I will always recommend walking away from enflamed situations here. That is sage advice for us all, self included. I have let myself become over-involved in situations and generally there was an irrational response. Once I was able to reset I could see that and make adjustments. --ARoseWolf 17:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, people can get very dug in over inconsequential things. I think that once one's ego becomes over-involved, the inconsequential can seem more consequential than it actually is. The world's wisdom traditions all recognize, among other things, that where one's ego is involved, one suffers. Personally I am trying to back away from such conflicts, and there are many such (not only on "infoboxes"). Spending time in nature gives one valuable perspective, I believe. I think I will go outside today. :) Antandrus (talk) 16:53, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- I agree. Seems like such a frivolous and trivial thing to be attacked over. I have read some of the ferocity from all sides in the infobox wars. Not picking a side and rehashing the issues of the past but to lose so many good editors over this, beyond the affect being dressed down and desysopped has on individuals, deserved or not, is simply mind-boggling. --ARoseWolf 16:41, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- He was a rather uncontroversial admin until he protected a featured article for a week because of an edit-war about the hidden notice (!) to prevent an infobox. He was called to task for having protected (no more) while involved. Kafka, all the time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- I could tell there was a bit of acting in his approach, particularly early in his talk page. I am not surprised he was desysopped, one of the reasons I always pause before endorsing my support of a candidate for admin. I want to say, "Whatever you believe in, pray to them cause you are going to need it". However, I think most will do well, just stay uncontroversial, something I find hard to do (lol). I noticed his talk page was restored against his will. In this case I feel it is justified. So many can learn the perfectly flawed magnificence that is Dreadstar on Wikipedia if they will simply listen. --ARoseWolf 15:49, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- yes, thank you! Dreadstar was an actor, with an IMDb entry, DYK? And such a good friend. He stayed in email contact after he left WP, being desysopped for bad reasons (sounds familiar?) The last email was Christmassy, saying how much he cherished the friendship. The news of his death was a shock, not only for me, as you can see on his talk, which we restored against his will. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- Sometimes it takes me a little while but I do hear most Songs that I come into contact with. Everyone thinks "conflict" is an evil. I don't view it that way. Conflicts that turn toxic can hurt us and that's why we need filters. We all spin at different speeds. Sometimes we collide causing damage to each other. Other times we find the right Song that helps us repair damage to ourselves. Still other times there is damage that can't be repaired, like a deep scratch on one of those old vinyl records we love so much. It sounds like skips and bumps. Momentary pauses in the Song that is our life adventure. We keep moving though. Keep growing. Keep experiencing. Why? Because life is worth it. The journey has value. I will say that if going through everything in my life lead me to edit and improve this encyclopedia just to meet some of you and share in the beauty that is your Song's then it was absolutely worth it. Dreadstar was an interesting one, different, but equally magnetic. I am very glad they found depositories in which to pour themselves into while they were here. It left an impression on so many. --ARoseWolf 13:43, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- You listen to my song, wonderfully! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:00, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- A personal reflection: When you bathe in a stream in the middle of nature and live in a house with very few doors then you quickly learn that your life experiences are not really just your own. Our journey is meant to be shared. Our story is meant to be told. Our song wants to be heard. Who am I to deny it? --ARoseWolf 18:38, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Your story makes an important point - behind each Wikipedia editor is a real person with a background and story to tell. I've had ups and downs in my life too, I just don't feel like expressing them publicly on-wiki. So thank you for wanting to be open about yours. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:30, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Ritchie333, Antandrus, and Gerda Arendt: my grandfather loved the phrase Finché c'è vita, c'è speranza - While there is life, there is hope. He slipped me a piece of folded up paper about a week before he passed and told me to hold on to it, that I would know when the right time to read it was. Every time I went to unfold that paper something stopped me. It kind of slipped from memory in the weeks, months and even years that followed. My grandmother didn't handle losing him well. She became more and more sick and the dementia started taking over her life. To add to it, my uncle and aunt (adopted parents) died in a car accident almost a year after he passed. We both didn't handle that well. Her health continued to deteriorate at a rapid pace to the point where she required 24 hour care so I pretty much moved in with her, probably what ended my marriage. One day, she was quite lucid, she called out to grandfather and I don't know if it was the way she said his name or not but I instantly remembered that letter. I ran home and found it and brought it back to my grandmother and as I sat beside her I opened it. At the very top in his handwriting, Finché c'è vita, c'è speranza. He wrote about his life, losing his parents in WW2 and finding my grandmother in Italy and so many memories . Some things I had heard before, somethings I hadn't. He was never one to share many feelings but he poured them into this little letter. He told me what that phrase meant to him. Paraphrasing: "Life doesn't end with death so long as we continue to live inside those that we have impacted." There is always hope so long as the life essence of the earth remains. We are but a string, a note, a melody. One instrumental in a vast ocean that is a symphony of great voices. Our song is unique and important but together with other songs it is the continuation of life and thereby hope remains. --ARoseWolf 13:18, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- impact - thank you! - (May I introduce Dreadstar to you, RoseWolf? ... who helped me to 'ignore, ignore, ignore" in 2012) --- I need help with translation. Wo Menschen sich vergessen, that phrase, and the the refrain "Da berühren sich Himmel und Erde, dass Frieden werde unter uns". There heaven and earth touch each other so that peace may come (become? grow? be? develop?) among us. - "werden" is hard in English. "Es werde Licht" (from Genesis). - "Menschen" is hard. "sich berühren" is hard. "Himmel" is hard. - And all too long for DYK. I'll probably just say that it was the openening of the streamed service for the ecumenical open air service opening the Kirchentag in Frankurt, planned as a giant meeting in an arena, now instead on a parkdeck with four singers, with the skyline somewhat as pictured above. You saw the skyscrapers right and the Paulskirche left, under a blue sky (Himmel) on Ascension Day (Himmelfahrt). Wo Menschen sich vergessen, where people let go of their ego peace may come. Antandrus, you said that recently, - back to impact ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:32, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
- Absolutely, Ritchie, yes. And Tsistunagiska, in one of those haunting synchronicities in life, I delivered almost exactly your thought, in some of your words, when I gave the eulogy at a memorial service not long ago. We often underestimate the impact we leave on others, sometimes by a lot. You put it really well. Antandrus (talk) 22:01, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Tsistunagiska, However, WP:Ignore all dramas also says, as a welcome footnote, "We're still an encyclopedia, and we still need your help." I'm never going to run out of articles to improve, and having taken 150 articles to good article status, the next goal will be to take that total to 200. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:40, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Antandrus and Ritchie333: The amazingly beautiful jewel that is Gerda has put me on the trail of quite a few amazing life songs as of late. I miss them though I never got the opportunity to interact with them but I do have their words and their colors find a way through to me. Each of you were impacted by them and an impact always leaves something behind so part of them is part of you. In that way I do get to meet them through each of you. On top of that I get to listen to your unique songs while improving this project which is pretty incredible for me. --ARoseWolf 20:23, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
- Oh! I wrote that! (WP:Ignore all dramas). I'd completely forgotten. -- Yes, I miss Raymond. We had hilarious conversations, including by email. I regret not getting to meet him in "real life". Antandrus (talk) 20:05, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Today, I came across Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Underwater diving in popular culture, which looks heading for a "delete" close. Who's a good editor who can help rescue diving articles? Ah, RexxS. *sigh* Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:50, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- (quick stop here, feast days and company:) The infobox wars are dead. GFHandel made an edit today, after 9 years!!! Turn to articles. Celebrate with friends. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:43, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Ritchie333 thank you so much for tagging me in, reading the whole conversation I feel amongst friends here :) I miss Rexx too (I'm lucky enough to see him IRL from time to time, always a joy to chat with). Here's to more editing with friends! Smirkybec (talk) 19:44, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Welcome, Rebecca. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Ritchie333 thank you so much for tagging me in, reading the whole conversation I feel amongst friends here :) I miss Rexx too (I'm lucky enough to see him IRL from time to time, always a joy to chat with). Here's to more editing with friends! Smirkybec (talk) 19:44, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
May 1455
Reform, renewal | ||
"...& alle othir there that willedthe reformacion thereof" |
Thank you, SN! Reformation is a work in progress. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:09, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Philipp Harnoncourt
— Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
He stood for something useless but not senseless ("nutzlos, aber nicht sinnlos"), and especially meaningful today, on Trinity Sunday. He inspired many to help, and restored a building that was meant to be demolished more than once back to its original message, at an "impossible location". It's rare that a person is pictured when a dream comes true. - If you understand spoken German: there's a lecture by him on YT. The opening, on Trinity Sunday last year, is also available. For a quick glimpse from that opening: [4] - Matching: Shoot for the Stars, Aim for the Moon. Thanks to all involved, making exception after exception! - If you still have time, there's Gott Vater, sei gepriesen for the day, "reconcile what is divided". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:47, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Die güldne Sonne voll Freud und Wonne
On 16 July 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Die güldne Sonne voll Freud und Wonne, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that for the morning song "Die güldne Sonne voll Freud und Wonne", the poet found a new metre, and the composer a new melody, to reflect the many meanings of "rising"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Die güldne Sonne voll Freud und Wonne. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Die güldne Sonne voll Freud und Wonne), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Congratulations--well done! Drmies (talk) 13:16, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, Drmies. One of the songs I received for last year's virtual birthday singing. The cousin who "gave" it to me, hesitated because of the line "... lagen darnieder" (... were down), but rising from being down in more than one sense is what the song - and life - is about. We just met last weekend, - once a year ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:24, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Happy First Edit Day!
- Thank you! I hope so, it's also - coincidence - the birthday of Franz Harnoncourt, or Harnoncourt-Unverzagt, and unverzagt means unafraid - coincidence. He is the brother of Nikolaus Harnoncourt, Philipp Harnoncourt and Karl Harnoncourt, and I wish I could find enough about their sisters Juliana and Alice for articles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:59, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Can't find more than that Juliana married Herrn Theiner and they had 5 children. Other relations: Alice Harnoncourt (sister-in-law), Alice Hoppe-Harnoncourt (niece), and Ladislaja Harnoncourt (mother). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:26, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Always a pleasure to cheer up Wikipedia's cheer-leader, and apologies for the fluorescent yellow in my W-B-Day greeting (oops, I did it again)
History DMZ (HQ) † (wire) 03:14, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, and I also did it again, giving the candles a chance and the flowers ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:25, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
- Always a pleasure to cheer up Wikipedia's cheer-leader, and apologies for the fluorescent yellow in my W-B-Day greeting (oops, I did it again)
- Yay!!! Happy Wiki-birthday, beautiful! You have been a brilliant light from the beginning. --ARoseWolf 15:50, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, dear song - I thought of you when walking outside, - will get to flowers for you after food! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- A very happy Wikibirthday Gerda!!!! I can't think of a better compliment than ARoseWolf's so I will just say that thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of people have benefited from reading the articles you have worked on. Many thanks! MarnetteD|Talk 16:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- And another -- happy wiki-birthday Gerda -- Wikipedia is a much finer place with you around -- keep on keeping on, and writing wonderful stuff. Antandrus (talk) 16:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, all, and Ched below, _ I remember the day quite well when I wanted to fill a red link, and the article was deleted within minutes ;) - subject now played for my real birthday, pictured, as you know. The plan is to repeat that next year, with hopefully more listeners. You are invited! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- And another -- happy wiki-birthday Gerda -- Wikipedia is a much finer place with you around -- keep on keeping on, and writing wonderful stuff. Antandrus (talk) 16:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for what you have done in the 12 years in Wikipedia. Grimes2 (talk) 07:29, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
Just stopped by ...
to wish you a Happy Wiki-Birthday — Ched (talk) 17:49, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Happy First Edit Day!
- Thank you, it was lovely, see above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
3 August ... continuing the memories: 3 August was the day I was named awesome Wikipedian by Rlevse, and Brianboulton by Neutralhomer, - I always liked that coincidence. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
4 August ... the day that Jerome Kohl died, as we learned much later - In Freundschaft. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Congratulation
The DYK Medal | ||
Congratulation for being No.1 in "Wikipedians by number of DYKs". Grimes2 (talk) 09:42, 26 August 2021 (UTC) |
- A truly amazing feat! (applause) —Kusma (talk) 10:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, both! If #2 still had any interest, I could not have done it, but now he's learning German instead ;) - Seriously: it's easy. In 2015, I decided to leave the infobox circus (due to health reasons) - longish discussions for very few articles by very few editors with a specific taste for a clean image instead of information provided for "idiots" - and turned to writing one simple short article every day, - typically not "attacked" by those (with one exception in 2018, which didn't go to DYK - rather no DYK than show an article without infobox). As I feel some urgency to tell these news, they resulted in almost as many DYK, some 200+ for several years, which accumulated nicely. Thanks to LouisAlain who comes up with many more than one topic per day so I can choose, and Grimes2 who serves references and new articles like magic, it's wonderfully easy! Do the same, y'all, don't care about the infoboxes in articles that others wrote, - write your own instead, in collaboration. You'll miss things like this - just discovered, but you will not miss much. To more good news and knowledge - today's plans a woman who wrote children's books and a soprano - and thanks to all who help! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:38, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Congrats!!! I'm amazed it took so long I haven't contributed to DYK myself in over 6 years! I thought Cwmhiraeth in particular would have had about 3000 by now! † Encyclopædius 14:45, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Congratulations! A stunning achievement – Aza24 (talk) 23:05, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Teresa Żylis-Gara
On 29 August 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Teresa Żylis-Gara, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 06:54, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Polish songs. Listening to her gave me an idea of what singing can mean. I saw her in the role that Gramophone mentioned as the beginning of her international career, and as the Met's Mimi (when a fireman had to extinguish the real fire in the fireplace burning Rodolfo's poems), and as Manon Lescaut, still credible as a young girl at age 60+, and still with that pure intensity. Ave Maria. If you want more, an admirer's Halka.
Thanks to Grimes2 for immense help with references, for her and others! This article will become GA some day, promised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:44, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Wonderful voice. Grimes2 (talk) 09:23, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- thinking aloud: we should change to sfn references - POD? - years for recordings? - split discography, with more detail? - more reviews? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:40, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Omas gegen Rechts
On 7 September 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Omas gegen Rechts, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the protest initiative Omas gegen Rechts (Grannies against the Right) was awarded a prize for civil courage by the Central Council of Jews in Germany? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Omas gegen Rechts. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Omas gegen Rechts), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
support, and thinking of Yoninah --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:27, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
Did you know ...
... that the protest initiative
Omas gegen Rechts
(Grannies against the Right)
was awarded a prize for civil courage
by the Central Council of Jews in Germany?
DYK for Hilf, Herr meines Lebens
On 20 October 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hilf, Herr meines Lebens, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the first prayer of "Hilf, Herr meines Lebens", a Christian song written when its author was age 85, is not to be on earth in vain? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hilf, Herr meines Lebens. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Hilf, Herr meines Lebens), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Maile (talk) 00:03, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
... praying that I'm not on earth in vain. In the AN case driving away LouisAlain, I felt what I said was in vain. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:10, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
DYK for La Passion selon Sade
Vanamonde (Talk) 00:02, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
From an archived thread: Br'er Rabbit, RexxS, LouisAlain, you are my friends, and I am sure that Wikipedia would be better with you than without you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:22, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
LouisAlain, this article is dedicated to you! Scandal seems to fit better than a hymn ;) I miss your inspiration, translation of cultural topics you found in obscure corners, good spirits, thankful heart. Thank you for literary context from Kafka to Schopenhauer. You others: please give me some of any of these because I thrive on them. I believe it's a scandal that we found no constructive way of collaboration, - I felt so talking in vain in the AN thread. Au revoir, and for a hymn after all, there's Möge die Straße uns zusammenführen, and telling you and myself: "go on with life, have a laugh, don't get too upset". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:49, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
DYK for In Freundschaft
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
In Freundschaft - let's live it, in memory of Jerome Kohl. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:29, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott (Telemann)
On 31 October 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott (Telemann), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott, a motet by Telemann, was performed and recorded in 2017 to celebrate the 500th anniversary of the Reformation? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott (Telemann). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott (Telemann)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
change the climate
31 October, and I don't think of Halloween. Firstly, it's a dear person's birthday who gave me a song about not being afraid, leading to this year's motto of courage. Secondly, from early youth, it was Reformation Day, singing "Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott", written after Psalm 46. I makes me now think of my dear friend who worked on the psalms. When I see the pumpkins, I think of a dear friend whom we lost on 31 October 2010. When I see peanuts, I think of a dear friend who made his last edit to me on 31 October 2012. He thought about reformation, - first link on my user page. He was missed by a dear friend who studied climate change, today's featured article, with an image reminiscent of a pumpkin. Be my friend: reform - change the climate, to more kindness - then celebrate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:56, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
Wenn das Brot, das wir teilen
Thank you very much for starting an article on Wenn das Brot, das wir teilen. It's such a beautiful hymn that conjures up cherished childhood memories. Modussiccandi (talk) 11:37, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- It's great any age ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:27, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Teamwork Barnstar | |
For your contributions to In Freundschaft. I guess your friendship, loyalty and resilience deserve more, but this is with what I come up with for now. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 05:52, 1 November 2021 (UTC) |
Blushing, Paradise Chronicle, and I love your prose! DYK that my first barnstar was for resilience? Here's to some of my lost teammates: I wrote Franz Kafka with PumpkinSky. I wrote Jesu, meine Freude, BWV 227 with Francis Schonken. I wrote Leo Kestenberg with LouisAlain. I was helped a lot by RexxS and Br'er Rabbit who made the Sanddunes Sunrise image. Isn't it enough that precious editors die? - Please: review Jesu, meine Freude. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
- I wish one day I could come up with what happened with my block in the German Wikipedia. Today, it is like a blessing to me and a real one, one you can't imagine. I looked at Jesu meine Freude and from an observers point of view, it looks fabulous, it has so many details. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:42, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
- That it is like a blessing to me is more to say that the English Wikipedia treats me much better than the German one. In the German Wiki the indef. block came after 8 valid edits and was reconfirmed after my appeal for an unblock due to difficulties for the access to the Wikipedia library more than a year after my indef. block. Today I see the block there as a blessing and I am not interested to edit there anymore.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 14:18, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
In November, I can offer some reading, - three feast days in a row, reformation followed by All Saints' and All Souls. On All Saints, we sang in choir in a mass - a 2021 first - and rehearsed (with the other group) for the next such thing next Sunday. All Souls is the birthday of the subject of my first article who will play a major concert on 14 November. Yesterday we "celebrated" the first DYK for which LouisAlain laid the base in a German sandbox. Today: another one from the recent deaths. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
Proxying for a community-banned user
- archived, let's go forward, and do the work those missed can no longer do, #In Freundschaft
Q to Beeblebrox
Hi Gerda, sorry to be a pain in the tail but I reverted this good faith edit because it didn't ask a question. As you can see from the relevant case page, I recommended that Arbcom decline the case and thought that RexxS exhibited no more than mild incivility, that was running rampant throughout the world during the start of COVID, and I agree with SV's comment " I want to add that he is one of the most genuinely kind editors I've had the pleasure to encounter. You may not get fake politeness from him, but you have found a friend if you ever need one." which I can wholeheartedly endorse from personal experience having met him in the pub several times. It would be nice to see if somebody can suggest a constructive action that has a reasonable chance of RexxS returning and contributing to Wikipedia, but I don't think that's it. Sorry. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:40, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- Ritchie, I don't think you understood. I wanted to know from Beeblebrox if the next time an appeal such as Sarah's - "every editor is a human being" - came around (regardless which case) he would listen. I don't know if he didn't see that appeal then, or saw it but it didn't change things for him. I thought that was clear without a question mark, also that without an answer, I'd not vote for him, or any other who accepted the case, before or after Sarah pleaded, because even arbs may change their mind and should follow the complete request discussion. The relevant discussion happened on Hammersoft's page, urging the one who filed the case to withdraw it, but - as we know - in vain. How may I word my censored question? I want arb's who listen to people like Sarah (knowing that there's no one like her), probably women ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:33, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- I would go with "You accepted the RexxS arbitration case, despite many users including SarahSV suggesting it should be declined, not least because "every editor is a human being". Can you explain how it is acceptable to take action that causes long-term editors to quit the project, and what we might to do mitigate this?" Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:37, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- That could be your question ;) - I want only Sarah's, not the others, to keep things "übersichtlich" for someone (unfamiliar with the case, and again, it's not about that particular case) who wants to put the candidate's answer in context (and would have to read only one, not the others). - Let me think a bit, first I have other things to do. My design was to ask candidates not involved in that case: Would you have listened to SarahSV's appeal to decline the case? (with a link), but its a silly question for someone who obviously didn't. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:44, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- How is this?: "You accepted the RexxS case. I would have listened to SarahSV. In a similar situation, would you perhaps change your mind?" (see also User:Gerda Arendt/ACE 2021) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, that looks fine. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:31, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- Had a minute or two and popped on to edit a little more on List of Alaska Native tribal entities. I see things are lively as usual and they haven't shut down the dramaboards yet...pity. I think Ritchie offered excellent advice in just ignoring. Hopefully the advice is taken. I may just ignore AN/I's existence going forward. I briefly looked at Beeblebrox's candidacy. I'm indifferent to arbcom if I'm being honest. I think they do best when they go unnoticed and do little to nothing. But I'd say the same about community discussions on AN/I. It would be more effective if there was character restrictions and a set-in-stone format for complaints and discussion that is strictly enforced. I love open discussion as much as the rest but the longer a discussion goes and more open it is the more likely to see the heated exchanges that are not complimentary to building a better encyclopedia. Makes ignoring other's comments that much more appealing. The temps have cooled a bit (-21f/-29c right now) and the snow is piling up already with another light dusting (snowing now) but the winds are staying low for the moment so no blizzards. The sun wont creep over the hills to the South until after noon if at all. We get a limited view between the mountains and hills in the valley along the river. It's really dropped in the sky and sunrise is around 10am with sunset around 3;30pm these days. Rolling towards the winter solstice and complete darkness. We put the generator in maintenance mode when we sleep or are not working during the limited day hours. Wood stoves are cranking out the heat so it stays a tolerable 42f to 45f in the house, for now. Anyway, just wanted to say hi to you both. I'll get to improving that list for a few hours and then I'm off again for a time. Be safe! --ARoseWolf 14:32, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, and you appearing is like spring, because I was afraid we wouldn't meet you until spring! I'll take foggy pictures today, wait and then see. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:33, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- I always have to stop by when I am able to get on just to say hello and that I care for you. You are, without a doubt, one of the kindest people I know and you face adversity with dignity and class. I never said you were perfect, none of us are, but you do the best you can and you stick to what you believe while also accepting criticism along with praise and looking to improve the encyclopedia, community and yourself. --ARoseWolf 15:03, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for coming as a sunray in fog! - Today, the TFA mentions When Lilacs Last in the Dooryard Bloom'd, created by a QAI member who was banned, the article taken to GA afterwards. Aga Mikolaj was created by banned friend LouisAlain who made the mistake to try to defend himself, which made things worse. RexxS has been criticised for not defending himself (in the arb case that I believe should not have been accepted, and that SlimVirgin pleaded not to accept), but I followed his model (better than falling in the other trap, not really versed in the language, misunderstanding ...). Think about the arb candidates' answers, you all. Some would not listen to SlimVirgin, so probably not to Littleolive oil who defended? ... not to valereee who said an apology worked for her? ... so perhaps not to women in general? I am happy that Opabinia regalis is standing! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:51, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- Me, too, Gerda. I wish more women would run. I wish more non-admins would run. —valereee (talk) 16:21, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- Agree! So let's start with you, Val. I certainly would have thrown my hat in the ring had I not become the target of
what(perceived) political ideologues. Ahhh...chacun à son goût. Atsme 💬 📧 18:58, 29 November 2021 (UTC)- @Gerda, @Valereee and Atsme:, there are plenty of qualified women who could run, admin or not. I know of several I have been so fortunate to have met within the WiR project, beautiful Songs such as they are. If I were younger I would have pushed them harder to run. I was quite the free spirited rainbow warrior, a result of my childhood and the fact I had such strong(headed) women around me to emulate (lol). My Papa always told me I got all of my Mama's and my Grandmother's stubbornness. Served me well at times and a terrible curse at others. They were both stubborn yet kind and humble in it. --ARoseWolf 18:25, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- Encourage them to run, ARW - we need more balance by adding more female perspectives. Atsme 💬 📧 19:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'm glad you said that. I am encouraging two amazing and overly-qualified women I have met during my time here on Wikipedia right now by pinging them in this thread. Atsme and Val, I have followed you both for a time and I can unequivocally say that you both should be on the committee. Your passion and devotion to getting things right and making things better can not be challenged. You aren't perfect, like hell, who is? But you are perfect for a position on the committee so the next time a vote comes around I better see both of your names listed. I don't care whether we agree on politics, a subject I loathe, or spiritual beliefs, lack of, or whether you personally like me, dislike me or are indifferent. I hear your Song here and it is beautiful and I better see the both of you dance. --ARoseWolf 19:26, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- You are amazing, and I am honored to be in your company. There is nothing wrong and everything right with having hope and wanting change. Kindness goes a long way. Atsme 💬 📧 04:00, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Wow, thanks for the kind words! I actually considered it last year. It just looks like such a thankless job. I know someone has to do it, and diversity on the committee can only improve it, but the ugliness people give them is pretty offputting. I'll think about it again for next year. —valereee (talk) 14:03, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- I understand the reservation. @Val, I'll take you considering and thinking about it. It does look like it is so thankless. I disagree with arbcom on so much and part of the enigma that is me is that I can disapprove of an action and show that disapproval but it is almost never directed at a particular individual. I respect and appreciate everyone on the committee even if I absolutely disagree with actions taken by the committee. It's why it's so hard to understand me in conversations and discussions sometimes. It's not that my way of thinking is better than those of others, very far from it, it's just different, always has been and I suspect it always will be because I don't plan on changing core philosophies. That being said, you both are qualified and accomplished editors here and I beg the pardon of @Astme but I am the one who should and am honored and humbled to be in such great company as the wonderful Lifesong's I have met here. --ARoseWolf 14:23, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'm glad you said that. I am encouraging two amazing and overly-qualified women I have met during my time here on Wikipedia right now by pinging them in this thread. Atsme and Val, I have followed you both for a time and I can unequivocally say that you both should be on the committee. Your passion and devotion to getting things right and making things better can not be challenged. You aren't perfect, like hell, who is? But you are perfect for a position on the committee so the next time a vote comes around I better see both of your names listed. I don't care whether we agree on politics, a subject I loathe, or spiritual beliefs, lack of, or whether you personally like me, dislike me or are indifferent. I hear your Song here and it is beautiful and I better see the both of you dance. --ARoseWolf 19:26, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- Encourage them to run, ARW - we need more balance by adding more female perspectives. Atsme 💬 📧 19:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Gerda, @Valereee and Atsme:, there are plenty of qualified women who could run, admin or not. I know of several I have been so fortunate to have met within the WiR project, beautiful Songs such as they are. If I were younger I would have pushed them harder to run. I was quite the free spirited rainbow warrior, a result of my childhood and the fact I had such strong(headed) women around me to emulate (lol). My Papa always told me I got all of my Mama's and my Grandmother's stubbornness. Served me well at times and a terrible curse at others. They were both stubborn yet kind and humble in it. --ARoseWolf 18:25, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
- Agree! So let's start with you, Val. I certainly would have thrown my hat in the ring had I not become the target of
- Me, too, Gerda. I wish more women would run. I wish more non-admins would run. —valereee (talk) 16:21, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for coming as a sunray in fog! - Today, the TFA mentions When Lilacs Last in the Dooryard Bloom'd, created by a QAI member who was banned, the article taken to GA afterwards. Aga Mikolaj was created by banned friend LouisAlain who made the mistake to try to defend himself, which made things worse. RexxS has been criticised for not defending himself (in the arb case that I believe should not have been accepted, and that SlimVirgin pleaded not to accept), but I followed his model (better than falling in the other trap, not really versed in the language, misunderstanding ...). Think about the arb candidates' answers, you all. Some would not listen to SlimVirgin, so probably not to Littleolive oil who defended? ... not to valereee who said an apology worked for her? ... so perhaps not to women in general? I am happy that Opabinia regalis is standing! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:51, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- I always have to stop by when I am able to get on just to say hello and that I care for you. You are, without a doubt, one of the kindest people I know and you face adversity with dignity and class. I never said you were perfect, none of us are, but you do the best you can and you stick to what you believe while also accepting criticism along with praise and looking to improve the encyclopedia, community and yourself. --ARoseWolf 15:03, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, and you appearing is like spring, because I was afraid we wouldn't meet you until spring! I'll take foggy pictures today, wait and then see. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:33, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
- Had a minute or two and popped on to edit a little more on List of Alaska Native tribal entities. I see things are lively as usual and they haven't shut down the dramaboards yet...pity. I think Ritchie offered excellent advice in just ignoring. Hopefully the advice is taken. I may just ignore AN/I's existence going forward. I briefly looked at Beeblebrox's candidacy. I'm indifferent to arbcom if I'm being honest. I think they do best when they go unnoticed and do little to nothing. But I'd say the same about community discussions on AN/I. It would be more effective if there was character restrictions and a set-in-stone format for complaints and discussion that is strictly enforced. I love open discussion as much as the rest but the longer a discussion goes and more open it is the more likely to see the heated exchanges that are not complimentary to building a better encyclopedia. Makes ignoring other's comments that much more appealing. The temps have cooled a bit (-21f/-29c right now) and the snow is piling up already with another light dusting (snowing now) but the winds are staying low for the moment so no blizzards. The sun wont creep over the hills to the South until after noon if at all. We get a limited view between the mountains and hills in the valley along the river. It's really dropped in the sky and sunrise is around 10am with sunset around 3;30pm these days. Rolling towards the winter solstice and complete darkness. We put the generator in maintenance mode when we sleep or are not working during the limited day hours. Wood stoves are cranking out the heat so it stays a tolerable 42f to 45f in the house, for now. Anyway, just wanted to say hi to you both. I'll get to improving that list for a few hours and then I'm off again for a time. Be safe! --ARoseWolf 14:32, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, that looks fine. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:31, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- I would go with "You accepted the RexxS arbitration case, despite many users including SarahSV suggesting it should be declined, not least because "every editor is a human being". Can you explain how it is acceptable to take action that causes long-term editors to quit the project, and what we might to do mitigate this?" Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:37, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Elizabeth Reiter
On 18 November 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Elizabeth Reiter, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Elizabeth Reiter portrayed the double role of Renee, an "icy wife"; and Alice, an "insatiable lover"; in the German premiere of Olga Neuwirth's opera Lost Highway? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Elizabeth Reiter. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Elizabeth Reiter), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:03, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- I was impressed then, and now again when she was Melissa (the sourceress) in Amadigi. Don't miss video at the end of the article where she speaks of the world needing more love - being pregnant with twins at the time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:00, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- Nice stats, for her, the opera, and even the composer! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:25, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Das Jüngste Gericht (BuxWV Anh 3)
If you're interested in some help, I have been doing a work on this exact subject for a university paper and currently have access to quite a few good sources (including the 2007 score edition by Koopman, liner notes to the recording with the libretto in German-English translation, ..., a fair amount of scholarly papers [including a few in German. I also have access to Musik in Geschichte und Gegenwart, though there's not too much on Wacht! Euch zum Streit there...]). I can send you a bibliography if you're interested. One important comment is that the article currently does not give enough about the doubts on the authorship of the work which is not certain, and the controversy should at least be documented - see Geck, Martin (2016), "Was wissen wir über Das Jüngste Gericht? I", Concerto - Das Magazin für Alte Musik, vol. 33, no. 265, p. 30 for a decent history (and Geck's view, although he seems to be in the minority, in that he has rather strong doubts about this). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 04:27, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- RandomCanadian, yes please, great! Today is the (last) day to get it to DYK ;) - Now that I have to do translations from German supporting (unreferenced) articles myself - de:Roland Böer - I feel I have too little time for the music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:34, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, I've sent you an email with relevant bibliographical entries. If you're worried about DYK, its always possible to expand it later (and trust me, there is enough material on this to do that). Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:49, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- P.S. (which I forgot to add in the email) Additionally, if you're interested in other stuff by Buxtehude, there's a thorough bibliography in the first volume of Buxtehude-Studien. (Matthias Schneider, Buxtehude-Schrifttum 2005-2014, p. 145-159); and there's also [available online, this one] a Buxtehude-Bibliography which stretches further back in time on the site of the Internationale Dieterich-Buxtehude-Gesellschaft. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:57, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- RandomCanadian, do you think you can expand soon, to have it to your liking within Advent, or should we postpone for next year? DYK is mostly for the short articles, but it could be GA if you add from your sources? "end of time" is about now, though, not next summer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:07, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- I won't have too much time until (approximatively) early-to-mid-December (which means we could get this to DYK, factoring in some time for the review, in maybe one month's time, just before or around Christmas). There are a couple of books which I do need to return to the library at some point, so sooner is better, but real life projects take priority over Wiki. Again, as I said, if you wish to help (mein Deutsch ist nicht so gut, und es ist auch nicht unmöglich das ich habe kleinen aber wichtigen Einzelheiten verpasst...), you know where to ask. Hope that answers your question. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:44, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
- yes, thank you, - if it doesn't wotk out I can still withdraw --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
ArbCom 2021 Elections voter message
User:Gerda Arendt/ACE 2021 - not a voters' guide, but the answers of the candidates to the question how they'd have taken the the opinion of a wise woman who knew Wikipedia inside out into account. The sitting arbs didn't. I vote for those who said it mattered. With thanks to #SlimVirgin, Flyer22, and those we lost to arbcom proceedings, which are often kafkaesque as I learned the hard way: "arrested and prosecuted by a remote, inaccessible authority, with the nature of his crime revealed neither to him nor to the reader". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:24, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- see also #Q to Beeblebrox --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:09, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
more archived now that the electon is over --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:39, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
psst
psst, hey, c'mere; i happen to think ornithoptera is quite the awesome wikpedian. whenever I see their noms, they're always super interesting and ornithoptera is infectiously chipper and welcoming.
their noms so far are: Falcon Lake Incident, Rhyothemis fuliginosa, Awet Tesfaiesus (they only have credit for the middle one as of now, so I suppose we'll have to wait). Anyways, they really are a joy to work with. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 10:22, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Frédéric Blanc
On 26 November 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Frédéric Blanc, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Frédéric Blanc won an international organ improvisation prize in Paris and became titular organist at Notre-Dame d'Auteuil, which features a Cavaillé-Coll organ? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Frédéric Blanc. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Frédéric Blanc), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
- the article where taking the translation from a friend (not the content, not the refs) resulted in an AN thread --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
December 2021 at Women in Red
--Innisfree987 (talk) 00:11, 27 November 2021 (UTC) via MassMessaging
Your GA nomination of Edita Gruberová
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Edita Gruberová you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The Most Comfortable Chair -- The Most Comfortable Chair (talk) 20:00, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
- On the subject of Slovak sopranos - I knew, online, a Dutch hornist (now alas! no longer with us) who Lucia Popp kissed on both cheeks after a performance of Vier letze Lieder; much to the annoyance of the other members of the section, who felt left out. If you've seen the Bergman film of Zauberflöte (in which Papageno upstages everybody), you've heard him in action. (He told me that the young girl in the audience is Bergman's daughter.)
- He recounted the story of a rehearsal in the Netherlands under a British visiting conductor (who he refused to name), who appeared on the podium with a cane, a top hat, and a black cape lined with red silk. The principal bassoon muttered under his breath, "Oh my God. it's Dracula!" Only sheer professionalism held the orchestra together over the next two hours.
- Another minor gap filled - Vladimir Belsky. He was not easy to research, especially because I couldn't find a non-Wikipedia source for his dates. Narky Blert (talk) 00:04, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you so much, storyteller! Yes, I saw the Papageno film, loved it. I have a friend from Slovakia who knew a lot about this soprano. She wrote a doctoral thesis about the altar of the Basilica of St. James, Levoča, DYK? ... article written with Smerus, whom we almost met there then, DYK? ... who wrote the Alkan article still mentioned on top?
- ... which a friend - subject of my first article - plans to play in January? - I hope that he and pianist will. Our women's choir singing on Saturday was the last for the year, and it was good, thanks to Mendelssohn's impatient Veni Domine! I love it that this Jewish composer christened Protestant wrote it inspired by nuns singing in Rome, - a broad mind! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:17, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Herr, gib uns Mut zum Hören
On 3 December 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Herr, gib uns Mut zum Hören, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that all stanzas of the 1963 song "Herr, gib uns Mut zum Hören" (Lord, give us courage to listen), with text and tune by Kurt Rommel, begin with a prayer for courage? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Herr, gib uns Mut zum Hören. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Herr, gib uns Mut zum Hören), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
... a prayer for courage, courage to listen, courage to serve, courage to be silent, courage to believe. My question to arbitration candidates was if they'd listen. I didn't ask if they'd follow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:24, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Over travelling, I read an interesting thesis about the topic of my FAC - my song of defiance when arbcom misunderstood me. I guess I'll add it to the external links, because it's very detailed, and a bit hard to grasp when it comes to musicology wording. However, it also supports some facts already in the article, - I might eventually use it for such things. I'm back home (pictured) after travel (see songs), and will go over the FAC with more time today or tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:58, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- Welcome home! Glad to see you returned safely. --ARoseWolf 14:08, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- Well, the trip almost took a day longer, because the train back from Paris was held up by a broken goods train, and arrived just in time (15 minutes, 1:09am) before the last train back home left Frankfurt. - I liked the connection of concert halls named after Pierre Boulez in both Berlin and Paris. Will upload a pic of the latter, - no photos allowed in the former. Music by Shostakovich also both towns (but only in one of those halls). I met Boulez once, believe it or not, at a reception after a concert in Frankfurt in which my friend was a cellist of the ensemble modern orchestra, conducted by Boulez. Cello music again now. Small world. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:23, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- My eldest brother and his wife actually met Pierre back in 2007 in Berlin. I only remember it because I actually flew over that year and stayed with them for a few days in Munich before travelling to Florence and then to Turin. I was there during the summer and they had talked about it. It was the last international trip I took before my parents were killed in 2012. --ARoseWolf 14:39, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- Another shock, about your parents. I was in Paris with mine at age 18, and revisited some of the places in memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:30, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- It was a car accident, they said one vehicle but we suspected something else and that locals were covering for someone which was and still is common. At any rate, it wouldn't bring them back and the person we suspected passed years later so there wasn't much use in pursuing anything further. It shook my world and suddenly I was having to run the store and take care of my grandmother who was going through the stages of dementia. I thought getting married would move me forward and give me a partner to help me through it but it wasn't meant to last I guess. Three years later he had left and then my youngest brother moved back home around the time she became too hard for me to take care of alone. I'm just going to say this, watching someone who had been such a huge and strong impact on you all your life just whither away with dementia may be one of the most terrible and traumatic experiences I have ever faced and I have faced many. She probably would have lived much longer but the deaths of my Papa and Mama, I think, pushed her into the later stages faster. --ARoseWolf 16:12, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I think you are right. Now you share your grandmother's and parents' ideas with us, thank you! - I thought more about arbitrating, and think that Doug/RexxS would have been good at it, just see User:RexxS/Infobox factors begun in 2016. I heard music in two halls named after Pierre Boulez, who died in 2016, around the same time as a family member (and Nikolaus Harnoncourt who is a distant family member). Had people in the two discussions (conductor + project composers - but he was much more than a composer, like Bach, Mozart, Beethoven and many more) reflected Doug's thoughts, they might have argued differently, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:34, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- It was a car accident, they said one vehicle but we suspected something else and that locals were covering for someone which was and still is common. At any rate, it wouldn't bring them back and the person we suspected passed years later so there wasn't much use in pursuing anything further. It shook my world and suddenly I was having to run the store and take care of my grandmother who was going through the stages of dementia. I thought getting married would move me forward and give me a partner to help me through it but it wasn't meant to last I guess. Three years later he had left and then my youngest brother moved back home around the time she became too hard for me to take care of alone. I'm just going to say this, watching someone who had been such a huge and strong impact on you all your life just whither away with dementia may be one of the most terrible and traumatic experiences I have ever faced and I have faced many. She probably would have lived much longer but the deaths of my Papa and Mama, I think, pushed her into the later stages faster. --ARoseWolf 16:12, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- Another shock, about your parents. I was in Paris with mine at age 18, and revisited some of the places in memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:30, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- My eldest brother and his wife actually met Pierre back in 2007 in Berlin. I only remember it because I actually flew over that year and stayed with them for a few days in Munich before travelling to Florence and then to Turin. I was there during the summer and they had talked about it. It was the last international trip I took before my parents were killed in 2012. --ARoseWolf 14:39, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- Well, the trip almost took a day longer, because the train back from Paris was held up by a broken goods train, and arrived just in time (15 minutes, 1:09am) before the last train back home left Frankfurt. - I liked the connection of concert halls named after Pierre Boulez in both Berlin and Paris. Will upload a pic of the latter, - no photos allowed in the former. Music by Shostakovich also both towns (but only in one of those halls). I met Boulez once, believe it or not, at a reception after a concert in Frankfurt in which my friend was a cellist of the ensemble modern orchestra, conducted by Boulez. Cello music again now. Small world. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:23, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Matters German
The last time you contacted me was in July, but you did so today with a ping out of the blue. Was is it a mis-click? In the distant past, I helped create 52 chorale preludes, Op. 67, including two audio files for Nos. 25 and 45, slightly faster than Reger's tempi. On Commons, there are only 2 other audio files for Reger, which is regrettable. It's unsurprising given copyright rules. To my knowledge, we two are probably the only music wikipedia editors who have contributed substantially to Reger-related matters.
I re-created and cropped an image for BWV 227, knowing you were aiming at a FA. On other talk pages, I notice that you've also mentioned Graupner, in connection with the hymn Jesu meine Freude. Probably that article currently over-emphasizes Graupner (Robin Klupp Taylor's section). OTOH, the baroque scholar, instrumentalist and conductor Florian Heyerick is an expert on Graupner and edits as User:Floxoip on de.wp, nl.wp and en.wp. In 2012 he made significant edits to List of cantatas by Christoph Graupner. I think that RKT is also clearly an expert; however, he's also new to WP. Letting RKT know about FH/Floxoip's existence & contributions from 2012 might be a good idea. Content about Graupner's cantatas can be added to articles specifically about Graupner's life and work. That would allow brief summaries to be added to general articles about Lutheran hymns, e.g. Jesu meine Freude. What do you think? Mathsci (talk) 11:22, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- Nice to see you active! (I was a bit worried when you archived much of your talk.) Thank you, and I agree about Graupner: details belong in his article, and only summaries in hymns' articles. Rnklupptaylor, please look around above. Graupner was enormously productive, - I heard a cantata this year, a first. - Is the image that you cropped already in BWV 227? Please let me know if things that Francis wrote need to be changed. Just say F, to avoid being caught in the silly iban. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:39, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- The detailed image can be found on Commons (two clicks).[5] I also simultaneously changed the quality of the image for Jesu meine Freude. For Graupner, please follow the link to Florian Heyerick , where there is an article in German with loads of links. Born in Belgium, he's currently active in Germany, based in Mannheim I think. On spotify he has recorded several Graupner cantatas. I fell asleep while listening to one of them. Mathsci (talk) 12:14, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- in my experience, nearly none of the ~7% of graupner's cantatas that have been recorded are sleep-inducing. So, you must have been very very unlucky. But that rather snide remark aside, I welcome the comments of both of you. Yes, I am completely new to editing WP pags. Yes, I am well aware of Prof. Heyerick and his fantastic contribution to Graupner scholarship and performance (and also his WP contributions). He has created the most comprehensive catalogue of Graupner's work, including the around 1400 cantatas. However, note that this catalogue currently does not include the texts of the individual movements of the cantatas nor does it include information on the text or melody of the 1345 chorales contained in them. A scholar at the university library in Darmstadt has been transcribing the cantata texts over a number of years and during the last year passed the halfway point in that work.
- And no, I am not an expert. I just explore Graupner's work for fun. I produce performances of his fascinating chorale settings for a youtube channel. To support that and frustrated by the lack of a catalogue of the chorales (online at least, probably there is an analogue one in Darmstadt), I decided to produce my own catalogue. This shows that Graupner far exceeded any other baroque composer (including Bach, and please note that I am absolutely *not* "anti-Bach"!) in terms of the amount and variety of approaches used to setting the Lutheran chorales. Thus I was disappointed by the "musical settings" sections of most WP pages on Lutheran chorales where Graupner was not even mentioned. I edited three WP pages to include information on Graupner's very large contribution in the history of these chorales. These have now largely been revoked. Unfortunately as a newcomer to editing Wikipedia pages it seems I rather overestimated what can be done in this situation. I am very grateful for what I consider very friendly and reasonable explanations given for the revocations (especially those by RandomCanadian) and I am sorry for wasting WP colleagues' time on this matter. I am still very much committed to bringing the record on Graupner's huge contribution to the Lutheran chorale up to date. However, I see I must find a more "watertight" approach in future.Rnklupptaylor (talk) 13:33, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for joining, and your efforts. RandomCanadian might be the one to render chorale settings in lilypond. Perhaps even create an article on Graupner's chorale settings? I think it would serve his impact better than individual comments for individual hymns. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. Actually my YouTube channel is entirely based on lilypond renderings (and corresponding LMMS performances) of Graupner chorales. So I have no shortage of those. An article on Graupner's chorale settings would indeed be nice, although all the hymn articles do also need to mention Graupner and his very significant exploration of some of those melodies. However, my basic problem right now seems to be that very little has been published about Graupner's chorales. Also, only a very small fraction have been recorded (less than 100 of 1345 works). Thus, as has been made clear by RandomCanadian, I will run into issues with WP:SPS and WP:OR if I just cite my own database or the original manuscripts which, while easy to access, are not always easy for anyone to verify the stated information (due to the old clefs and Kurrentschrift). Rnklupptaylor (talk) 16:11, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for explaining, and yes, that is a problem. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:19, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- Rnklupptaylor Thanks for commenting. I was just joking about spotify. Florian Heyerick has performed with Musica Antiqua Köln; his Mannheim ensemble is a top class baroque group. Meanwhile I listened to your Soundcloud files and I think they are impressive. IMO they deserve to be added to wikimedia commons and wikipedia. I sent a wiki email for a different reason. After typing that email, I now read that you have a YouTube channel. That's great. Did Heyerick not write a dissertation on Graupner in 2010? Mathsci (talk) 16:28, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for explaining, and yes, that is a problem. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:19, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks. Actually my YouTube channel is entirely based on lilypond renderings (and corresponding LMMS performances) of Graupner chorales. So I have no shortage of those. An article on Graupner's chorale settings would indeed be nice, although all the hymn articles do also need to mention Graupner and his very significant exploration of some of those melodies. However, my basic problem right now seems to be that very little has been published about Graupner's chorales. Also, only a very small fraction have been recorded (less than 100 of 1345 works). Thus, as has been made clear by RandomCanadian, I will run into issues with WP:SPS and WP:OR if I just cite my own database or the original manuscripts which, while easy to access, are not always easy for anyone to verify the stated information (due to the old clefs and Kurrentschrift). Rnklupptaylor (talk) 16:11, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for joining, and your efforts. RandomCanadian might be the one to render chorale settings in lilypond. Perhaps even create an article on Graupner's chorale settings? I think it would serve his impact better than individual comments for individual hymns. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
I'd like to see Herrscher des Himmels, erhöre das Lallen, BWV 248 III, on the Main page for the third day of Christmas, which needs sufficient expansion or - perhaps better - upgrade to GA quality. Any help welcome, and no edit conflicts for the next hours, as I'm going out. Mathsci, any chance for a page from the score? - Erhöre fits the general theme of listening nicely ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:52, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- I didn't notice your request about the Christmas Oratorio III (no ping). I checked to see that, in 2013, I downloaded the image for the sinfonia of BWV 248 II. I have various organ arrangements of that; but I have preferred to use the vocal score (possibly originating in one by Alexandre Guilmant). I've played it at Église Saint-Jean-de-Malte as well as the college chapel. I have muted transverse flutes/strings on one manual alternating with the three reed instruments on the other manual, with a gentle lilting bass on the pedals. Thinking about advent, I learnt to play BWV 769 in Aix in 2009 while creating the article.
- Since I've just updated that Commons file, it shouldn't be too hard find the Bach-archiv digital file for BWV 248 III (perhaps easier now, since things have changed since 2013).
- Thank you for a rich table, in all respects! Click on December songs for more Martin's goose :) - I thought of you when I took the image of a Munich memorial for what we both edited five years ago. We speak now of BWV 248 Part III, while Sinfonia is present in Part II. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:30, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
- Incidentally I saw some of the discussions on Bach & Graupner on bach-cantatas.com, with participation from Robin KT. I was musing about Advent, Xmas and geese: in the US in Pennsylvania and Southern California, I've had goose; and later in 2008, in Vienna I had Martinigansl at Café Central. In December 2018 an Austrian friend sent me a Christmas jar of foie gras from France ... and I'd almost forgotten the tradition of oysters and bûche de Noël. Perhaps Lebkuchen is more healthy. I also remember the candlelit feast of Saint Lucy's Day celebrated in Aix cathedral, with Swedish saffron buns afterwards in the Hotel de Ville. Mathsci (talk) 13:05, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
- mmh, delicious memories, thank you --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:53, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
- Indeed, Aldi beckons. I updated the Bach-archiv images for BWV 248 II, which are now very high resolution. In normal circumstances I would think of using GIMP software to crop/rotate the image. I will download an appropriate image for BWV 248 III from the Bach archive. I will trim and rotate the image, assuming that you want it for the infobox (and hoffentlich the main page on 27 December). Mathsci (talk) 14:15, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
- I created the high res image from the Bach-archiv as File:BWV248_III_opening_Chorus.jpg. It was a little bit tricky. There are two methods: dezoomifying the highest resolution image by downloading a "tile"; or locating the single jpg file from the source files, very recently added to the archive. Mathsci (talk) 14:45, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Indeed, Aldi beckons. I updated the Bach-archiv images for BWV 248 II, which are now very high resolution. In normal circumstances I would think of using GIMP software to crop/rotate the image. I will download an appropriate image for BWV 248 III from the Bach archive. I will trim and rotate the image, assuming that you want it for the infobox (and hoffentlich the main page on 27 December). Mathsci (talk) 14:15, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
- mmh, delicious memories, thank you --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:53, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Suchdatenbank für Chorsätze
Vielleicht hilfreich: https://choere-evangelisch.de/chorsatzsuche/ „Such, wer da will“ ist ein Tool zum Finden von Chorsätzen zu allen Liedern des Evangelischen Gesangbuchs. Grimes2 (talk) 12:32, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, thanks, a good tool for finding chorale settings. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:45, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Günther Rühle
On 11 December 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Günther Rühle, which you created and nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 16:08, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
Kullervo FA and homepage TFA
Hi, Gerda! Turning to you, because you helped get the TFA for The Oceanides booked back in 2017. As you know, I'm aiming for an FA on Kullervo (working in a designated sandbox) by the 130th anniversary of its premiere (April 28, 2022). Would you be able to please reserve it's place for this date? During the holiday, I plan to pour myself into rewriting the article. I'm hopeful that I will be able to nominate it for FA in January or February. Very warmly Silence of Järvenpää (talk) 18:38, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you for thinking of me, and I'll help with reviewing. Reservation can be made only once FA. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:45, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
TFA Gianni Schicchi
Scene of the will reading |
Gianni Schicchi is a comic opera in one act by Giacomo Puccini to an Italian libretto by Giovacchino Forzano, composed in 1917–18. The work is the third and final part of Puccini's Il trittico, three one-act operas with contrasting themes, following the dramatic Il tabarro and the lyric Suor Angelica. The libretto is based on an incident mentioned in Dante's Divine Comedy. Set in 1299 Florence, the title character pretends to be a rich citizen who had died, dictating a new will in favour of the deceased's family members but especially of himself (scene in the premiere pictured). The comedy, a rarity in the composer's work, combines elements of Puccini's modern harmonic dissonances with lyrical passages such as the aria "O mio babbino caro". When Il trittico premiered at New York's Metropolitan Opera on 14 December 1918, only Gianni Schicchi became an immediate hit. It has been performed more frequently than the other two, often combined with other short operas. - TFA today by Brian Boulton and Wehwalt
Matching the Dante Year, and mostly in memory of Brian, who invited me to join making FA Messiah, who invented the identibox (first for Percy Grainger, later Beethoven), who reviewed Kafka and Christ lag in Todes Banden, BWV 4, and left me his collected sources for Vespro della Beata Vergine. Gianni Schicchi was the second opera in my life, DYK? - May Sibelius have an identibox? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:43, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Schlosspark Türnich
— Maile (talk) 12:02, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
.. in the series garden, and often visited with dear people --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:57, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Hook update | ||
Your hook reached 5,647 views (470.6 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of December 2021 – nice work! |
theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 02:18, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Infoboxes for top composers
Hi Gerda. To follow up on the Sibelius discussions, I thought it would be interesting to see how many of our top classical composers had been assigned infoboxes:
- Mozart: no
- Beethoven: yes
- Bach: yes
- Tchaikovsky: no
- Chopin: no
- Brahms: no
- Debussy: no
- Handel: yes
- Vivaldi: no
- Haydn: no
- Verdi: no
- Schubert: no
- Mahler: no
- Wagner: no
- Liszt: yes
- Stravinsky: yes
- Schumann: yes
- Mendelssohn: no
- Elgar: no
- Rachmaninooff: no
So that gives six with and 14 without. Many of those without info boxes include the composer's signature. So you still have quite a few to work on!--Ipigott (talk) 15:40, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not working. On Sibelius' birthday, I gave him one. It lasted for several hours of exposure from the Main page. Nobody complained. A user reverted who made no contribs to the article that I know of, in the name of another, and same. His multi-point impressive list has nothing to do with the identibox, invented by Brianboulton for Percy Grainger. You could tell him that. I'm offended and won't argue on that level. He had it refuted many times, but seems not to notice (Sibelius the last round, Ian Fleming ...). You could also just revert the revert of the self-revert ..., claiming that you are the principal editor which is normally a language that they understand ;) - See above for Chopin: Brianboulton added the identibox, but a now banned user reverted. It's those things that annoy me. Verdi had one for years. I never go for an infobox when I know the principal editor doesn't like it, - waste of time. I normally only add one when I contributed to the article, composers including: Max Reger, Georg Katzer, Michael Gielen, Heinz Winbeck, Iván Erőd, Siegfried Strohbach, Hans Zender, Colin Mawby, Volker David Kirchner, Charles Wuorinen, Dmitri Smirnov, Alexander Vustin, Vytautas Barkauskas, Ezio Bosso, Marcello Abbado, Ennio Morricone, Faustas Latėnas, Anthony Payne Louis Andriessen, Jerzy Matuszkiewicz, Siegfried Matthus, Sylvano Bussotti, Bronius Kutavičius, Carlisle Floyd, Luis de Pablo, Udo Zimmermann (and many hade one when I arrived at the article). I met 5 of them. We recently had a FA with infobox, Kaikhosru Shapurji Sorabji. There's hope. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- ps: I can't ping anybody, including you, without someone crying "canvassing", also: I'd like if those comment who care about the article enough to have it on their watchlist, not a crowd. I had really hoped it would just stay with any discussion. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:57, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sibelius yes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Fabian Kelly
Can you please provide a citation for the "historically informed performance" part of the DYK hook for Fabian Kelly, which I have just moved into the queue. I don't know how the reviewer missed this! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:07, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Done, but it's also a summary of the concerts he performs and the opera he recorded. Others sing Verdi opera, he Monteverdi Vespers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
DYK for Agnieszka Rehlis
On 15 December 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Agnieszka Rehlis, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Polish mezzo-soprano Agnieszka Rehlis, who sang in the Grammy Award–winning album Penderecki conducts Penderecki, was Verdi's Azucena in Zürich in 2021? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Agnieszka Rehlis. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Agnieszka Rehlis), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
... and I heard it --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Happy Holidays!
Hello dear one, I haven't seen you around in a while, since we have both been so busy, but I wanted to come and say Merry Christmas to one of my favorite people anywhere. I hope you are enjoying getting ready to enjoy the holiday! Have you sung a Christmas cantata yet? I'll bet it was amazing - or will be when you do! Hope you and yours are well and happy. All my best wishes are yours.
The "Merry Christmas Tree" Reward is awarded to Gerda Arendt with affection and respect for exemplifying the Christmas spirit all year round. Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:51, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- That's lovely, Jen, thank you! No choir singing other than privately, due to the virus, which is hard. We'll have one rehearsal, distributed in the large church, singing from Bach's Christmas Oratorio to/for ourselves, which is the conductor's last thing to do before his interim period ends. Concert (Christmas Oratorio by Saint-Saëns) should have been last Sunday - cancelled. - I'll get over to you soon, was really busy, - look above! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:48, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- I can tell how busy you have been. It's a good thing with no concerts being had. That's just sad. Nothing takes the place of music. I pray the world returns to some kind of normal soon. Businesses are collapsing, and everything else will soon follow. I sound like the optimist I am, don't I? It's all frightening. I am determined to have a happy Christmas anyway, will see family, and keep my priorities straight. All my love, Jen Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:01, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Gerda
I'll be away for a while starting Friday. Your words and the words by others you place here as a testament to them so inspires me all the time and I hope you continue to just be you here. Take care of yourself and stay safe. Should anything happen you will be contacted. I appreciate you greatly and I see I am not the only one. Good! --ARoseWolf 20:03, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, and best spirits around you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi again!
Hi, Gerda. I found something that I thought might catch your interest. We have an article on Emilie Zumsteeg, a "German choral conductor, singer, composer, and pianist". While looking on the Deutsch Wikipedia (I speak basically no German, but sometimes I'll check FAs there about German subjects so I can add 'Expand German' tags to their corresponding English articles), I noticed that she was featured just a few days ago, and the article is well-sourced. You may already have seen this since I imagine you work over there as well, but in case you didn't, I wanted to bring it to the attention of the person it would seem to interest most. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 04:51, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- Technician|, thank you for telling me, and I just knew her name. LouisAlain would translate today, or tomorrow, - with me, she'll have to wait for next year. I miss him much. - Beethoven's birthday today! - I heard his 4th piano concerto, part of the monster Beethoven concert of 22 December 1808. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:48, 16 December 2021 (UTC)