Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 19

June 19

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 19, 2024.

Woketard

Woketard → Woke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Woketards → Woke (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

While I am aware that WP:NPOV is less of a concern for redirects as they are less likely to face the general public directly, I do question the rationale for the existence of these redirects.

Surely anyone searching for woketard(s), will already need to type the word woke, and I am sure that any quote in an article that could possibly benefit from bluelinking woketard could surely just pipelink it.

I am not strongly of the mind that "These should not exist on Wikipedia", though I do feel as though they are needlessly inflammatory and likely unnecessary. The article for Woke does not mention Woketards anywhere including in the as a pejorative section.

Primarily, I am leaning towards deletion for these redirects, if consensus aligns with them being valid, I am not opposed to the target being narrowed down to the as a pejorative section. IceBergYYC (talk) 05:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Make it mac tonight

Make it mac tonight → Mac Tonight (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Absolutely unnecessary redirect. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Being completely unfamiliar with this advertising campaign (and not really wanting to become more familiar) I'm not sure whether it's a necessary redirect or not but a Google search reveals the last line of a Mac Tonight jingle may in fact have been "Make it Mac Tonight!" (although my source is a Reditt post and I wasn't subjecting myself to the video so take that with a pinch of salt unless anyone else can find it mentioned in a reliable source). It's Mac Tonight is also a redirect to this page with it categorised as a redirect from a lyric. Adam Black ^{talk • contribs} 04:29, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This redirect was also created by a user who was blocked as a long-term vandal, so I tagged this redirect as a Speedy Delete (G5) after sending it here. BTW, if you didn't experience this ad campaign in person, you didn't truly experience the 1980's. Bgsu98 (Talk) 04:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete Per above. Just found this via the ANI thread. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 05:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First f Great Western

First f Great Western → Great Western Railway (train operating company) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
First Greater Western → Great Western Railway (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
First Great Western Express → Great Western Railway (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

An extremely unlikely search term and a typo that even cannot be accidentally done. Just note that First Great Western was the former name of the current Great Western Railway JuniperChill (talk) 21:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC) [edited 09:50, 29 May 2024 UTC][reply]

Keep First Greater Western as that's the legal name of the company operating the franchise [1]. Thryduulf (talk) 08:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- weak delete First f Great Western. This is reading the corporate logo as "First f" which is not completely implausible given how it was rendered in e.g. what Commons calls the "corporate blue" livery (see image) but I can't find evidence it is commonly used. Thryduulf (talk) 08:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, we don't have First f as seen at FirstGroup logo so a clear reason for deletion. Plus FGW was out of business 9 years ago so its even more unlikely. But obviously keep First Great Western JuniperChill (talk) 18:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete First Great Western Express. It wouldn't have been an implausible way to distinguish from First Great Western Link but the only uses I can find are "First Great Western express" (i.e. express trains that happen to be operated by First Great Western). Thryduulf (talk) 08:12, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Thryduulf. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete first ~~two~~ and Tentative delete the third, though with the note that they're all being deleted for different reasons and I'm not sure they should've been grouped like this.
--The first one, delete due to unlikely typo.
~~--The second, delete due to unlikely/vague search term (Greater?? And are we sure that they were talking about a railway when all they called it is a Western??? Could've been a movie for all we know)~~ opinion withdrawn 00:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
--The third, tentative delete due to being... possibly unlikely? The term 'express' does narrow down that we're talking about a train, and "First Great Western" WAS the name of this rail line at one point. I could see this alternately being kept and tagged as Unnecessary Disambig.
With the very different reasons why each one of these are being talked about, lastly, I propose handing nom a WP:MINNOW for grouping these together instead of keeping them separate, as this could've resulted in-- and could still result in-- a minor WP:TRAINWRECK. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:22, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Lunamann: "First Greater Western" is neither vague nor unlikely. It is the legal name of the company, a subsidiary of First Group (who brand most of their operations "First [name of operation]", e.g. First Great Western (the branding used for this franchise and its predecessor from 1998-2015), First TransPennine Express, First ScotRail, First Capital Connect, First North Western, etc.), that operates the Greater Western franchise. 100% of Google hits relate to this company. Thryduulf (talk) 23:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Fair enough. I'll allow First Greater Western being kept, though I'll also note that this means that we are now officially in Minor Trainwreck territory. ...Ironic, considering we're talking about railways. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Yeah, I did not think this thru. All of them are about railways all linking to the current GWR. I just thought that all three of them are very unlikely typos or search terms for FGW hence why I bundled them together. I initially thought WP:TRAINWRECK was talking about the notabilty stuff related to actual train crashes like the Stonehaven derailment or about whether to include it in an article like the EMR derailment on the List of rail accidents (2020–present)#2024. JuniperChill (talk) 00:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Nope, WP:TRAINWRECK is about how each one of these redirects has something else potentially wrong with it-- or in one case, has nothing wrong with it-- and thus we can't weigh them on the same merits, meaning that the resulting discussion gets confusing fast. I say a minor trainwreck-- and only minnowed you instead of a full-on trouting-- because there's only three redirects in the discussion, so the discussion is at least somewhat navigable.
  (See WP:UPPERCASE for more "Wait, I thought this shortcut meant X but it's actually talking about Y" stuff x3) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 00:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 23:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Which pages should be deleted, if at all?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ca ^{talk to me!} 16:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all - As Thryduulf points out the "First f" redirect is likely based on the logo, that looks exactly like a stylised "First f Great Western", which someone could think is the name of the company. "First Greater Western" is the real name of the company, as said above. I've found some reference to "First Great Western Express" being at some point a rebrand of some First Great Western service. Redirects are cheap and it's clear what topic they are aiming for. BugGhost 🪲👻 18:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more try...
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 03:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]