Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 10

March 10

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 10, 2024.

Birayma N'dyeme Eter

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was kept. This nomination was malformatted (the wrong template was used at the redirect page) and the result is clear anyway, so I've closed it. (non-admin closure) Celia Homeford (talk) 10:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Birayma N'dyeme Eter → Birayma N'dyeme Eler (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This (Eter) spelling is neither correct nor popular, most likely a result of an OCR error. Most mentions of Eter on the Web are directly due to quoting Wikipedia articles. WP:R#DELETE #8 (confusion) or #2 (obscure). Would be a speedy R3 if not for the history and escape of misspelling into the world. Викидим (talk) 20:31, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to delete it that's perfectly fine, just please make sure all the links to the Eter page are fixed to Eler before you do. Catjacket (talk) 20:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All four links have been changed. Викидим (talk) 21:31, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as an {{R from move}}. For context, the article move occurred only three hours before the redirect was nominated for deletion. The article existed at the incorrect title since 2018. It will take time to resolve internal and external links. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:56, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are a total of 21 (with Google omitting some copies) Eter spellings on the Web. All of them that are not spam appear to be directly related to Wikipedia. Викидим (talk) 21:45, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Longstanding titles should generally be kept as redirects unless they're harmful in some way. It's impossible to know how many external links are pointing to this title. Kk.urban (talk) 21:28, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per Kk.urban and Presidentman. If there are extant examples of people misspelling this name due to linking to Wikipedia, that means there are extant examples of external links that would get broken without this redirect. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 22:00, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per kk.urban, Presidentman and Lunamann. Google does not know about all links that exist, for it cannot know whether links exist in offline resources, bookmarks, facebook posts, intranet sites, etc, etc. Thryduulf (talk) 22:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Public Transport in Newcastle

Public Transport in Newcastle → Newcastle, Australia#Transport (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

First thing that is wrong is that the second and subsequent words should not be capitalized unless its a proper noun. But anyway, the thing is Newcastle often refers to the city in UK or the one in Australia so I am not sure if this could either serve as a redirect to Newcastle or a new dab page. In case of the latter, the article title needs to change to 'Public transport in Newcastle'. I am leaning towards creating a dab page btw. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JuniperChill (talk • contribs) 14:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as an ambiguous and miscapitalized term without a clear target. I don't see any overview articles about public transit in Category:Transport in Newcastle, New South Wales or Category:Transport in Newcastle upon Tyne, so there aren't good candidates for items on a potential disambiguation page. - Eureka Lott 20:25, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate (at Public transport in Newcastle with a lower case T): at a minimum this could refer to Newcastle upon Tyne § Transport, Newcastle, New South Wales § Transport, Newcastle-under-Lyme § Transport, Newcastle, County Wicklow § Transport, Newcastle, Dublin § Transport, Newcastle, County Down § Transport, New Castle, Delaware § Transportation, New Castle, Pennsylvania § Transportation, and quite possibly others I've missed from the Newcastle dab page. Rosbif73 (talk) 15:10, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't know if it's verboten, but a disambiguation page that consists entirely of section links isn't typical. This may be an instance where it's better to let the search engine do its job. - Eureka Lott 15:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Transport in Tyne and Wear (which includes Newcastle-upon-Tyne) would make a good entry on that proposed dab page as well I think. Thryduulf (talk) 18:20, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate: multiple places called Newcastle, and so we shouldn't be assuming people want any particular one of them. And this is consistent with base name Newcastle being a DAB page. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:31, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Eureka. We don't have any articles on public transport in Newcastle. Jay 💬 06:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete to reveal search results, as we don't have any articles specifically about transport in any of the Newcastles. Deryck C. 17:00, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alien 2

Alien 2 → Alien 2: On Earth (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Proposing a retarget to Aliens (film). Although Alien 2: On Earth (apparently a real film) does contain the title "Alien 2", Aliens — the actual sequel to Alien (film) — is without question more notable and the more likely target when readers search for "Alien 2", seeking to find the sequel to the first film (but perhaps not remembering its title). InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:18, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree, no evidence that people searching for this are actually searching for the film Aliens. While yes Aliens is much more notable than the film Alien 2, it hasn't been shown that that is where Alien 2 should redirect to. Canterbury Tail talk 21:05, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
disambiguate Aside form "Alien 2: On Earth" there is also "Aliens: Alien 2" videogame, and "Aliens" (film) the sequuel to Alien, and "Alien #2" (henchman #2) a fictional character from "Puni Puni Poemy" where the article has a paragraph about the character. -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 05:20, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those do not have article and are thus not notable. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:09, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The first 3 do.... -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 23:50, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aliens: Alien 2 is a redirect. Alien 2 (Puni Puni Poemy) is a redlink. Aliens (film) and Alien 2: On Earth are the only articles, and I am arguing that the former is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC over the latter. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:54, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(one being a redirect, but has a page) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 23:56, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry was replying at the same time. Yes, understood your point. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 23:57, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Much more notable, undoubtedly, but.... with an actually different name. So I still think a DISAMB page is helpful. However, if everyone agrees with you, no worries. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 00:01, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) If something is a redirect or doesn't have an article, it means it is likely not notable. Which means we should only be concerned with the two films, one of which is an FA and the other a stub. Which one's the obvious primary topic? InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:05, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most likely the one that is actually called that way. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:15, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Try searching "Alien 2" on Google and see what you get. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:55, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, I never doubted that Aliens was more famous than Alien 2: On Earth. Still, that is not what the film is actually called in English, is it? I'm sorry but I've understood your point, and if things need to be changed, I still would prefer a DISAMB. I have no further comment. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:26, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with 65.92.247.66. Disambiguate.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:44, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, seems to be a R from move with a long history and incoming links. Also, per Canterbury Tail and the further examination by InfiniteNexus. Finally, there's already a disambiguation for Alien making a duplicate rather unnecessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Respublik (talk • contribs) 15:39, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Keep or disambiguate?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:43, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Aliens (film) "Alien 2" was intended as an unofficial sequel, therefore it automatically has less prominence than the actual sequel it was trying to mimic. If it were entirely unrelated, my opinion would be different. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:21, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Drafted a disambig with no primary at the redirect. If Aliens is the primary, the draft may be copied over to a Alien 2 (disambiguation). The Alien 2 entries may be removed from the Alien dab, and the Alien 2 dab be added to its See also. Jay 💬 13:27, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I see that 65.92.247.66 created a disambig draft after the relist, but before I created my draft, and I was not aware of it. DrowssapSMM accepted the draft as Alien 2 (disambiguation) which was a REDLINK when I had suggested it. I see that the IP's dab also has no primary, hence the dab may be merge-and-redirected to Alien 2 or moved. Jay 💬 09:36, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to disambiguation page Alien (avoiding a duplicate list at a different disambiguation page). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:23, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, the !votes really are all over the place here. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:27, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to the existing DAB Alien#Films (a refinement of the proposed retarget by Shhhnotsoloud). That said, there really doesn't seem to be much consensus here yet... 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like this should be a BARTENDER close. There seems to be almost no support for the status quo. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:59, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There is no consensus for the status quo, but no consenus on an alternative yet.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 11:56, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Alien#Films and let the reader decide which one they want to look at. --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:20, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Aliens (film) as suggested by the OP. Aliens is "considered among the greatest films of the 1980s" according to our article and must be very widely seen, I strongly suspect that the number of people searching for it who can't quite remember the title is still far greater than the number of people looking for the current target, which is very obscure. None of the other entries at the dab page are relevant to this search term. Hut 8.5 19:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Aliens (film) and hatnote to Alien 2 (disambiguation) as the primary topic. Failing that, move Alien 2 (disambiguation) over redirect. I oppose a retarget to Alien#Film, not all uses are films. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll note, for the record, that it takes merely a bit of scrolling to get to non-film topics, i.e. the games. Though perhaps a slight de-refinement to Alien#Arts and entertainment? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 16:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I prefer a separate disambiguation page so someone searching the term will only receive relevant entries without the need to scroll. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'll note once again to the eventual closer that although the !votes above are all over the place, there is near-unanimous consensus to move away from the status quo, so if there ends up being no consensus on which page to retarget, the closer should use their best judgment to perform a WP:BARTENDER close. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:59, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know who I want to take me home... 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:13, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Aliens (film) Aliens is definitely the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. A quick search on several search engines for Alien 2 comes up with it and I often hear the movie called that in real life (though I know that's not the best argument here). StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 03:14, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An editor who thinks Aliens (film) is the primary topic may fix Alien 2 (disambiguation) to add the primary topic, or the closer may do it if there is consensus. Otherwise, as of now, Alien 2 (disambiguation) doesn't indicate a primary per MOS:DABPRIMARY. Jay 💬 07:04, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shemʿon VIII Sulaqa

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 19#Shemʿon VIII Sulaqa

Style (EP)

Style (EP) → Style (Super Junior-D&E album) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

At this title for five minutes at creation due to a mistake of page creator. Incorrect and potentially confusing. Rusalkii (talk) 05:04, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Style (disambiguation)#Albums. Thryduulf (talk) 12:12, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mullhausen

Mullhausen → Mühlhausen (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This is not a correct spelling without diacritics (which will be Muehlhausen). This is not a popular misspelling either, Mullhausen is usually a family name. WP:R#DELETE #8 or #2. Викидим (talk) 04:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Mulhausen, Bas-Rhin. Change the hatnote there point to Mühlhausen (disambiguation). Jay 💬 09:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Mühlhausen (disambiguation). I think such a misspelling is plausible but it's not clear to me that the primary topic (Mühlhausen, Thuringia) is necessarily overwhelming when one is inclined to forget the H. --Deryck C. 16:56, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

War of the Aequans

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was delete. As an unopposed deletion nomination. Jay 💬 08:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

War of the Aequans → Roman-Aequian wars (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The term is extremely rarely used (cannot be found in Google books or Scholar at all, essentially two sources, with few copies of each, in Google search, one of them is Wikipedia itself). Therefore WP:R#DELETE #8 (very obscure) applies. Викидим (talk) 03:17, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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November 9 1989

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 17#November 9 1989

Diagonal Star Clock

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was retarget to Decan. Jay 💬 08:43, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Diagonal Star Clock → Nocturnal (instrument) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Diagonal Star Clocks → Nocturnal (instrument) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

While "diagonal star tables" (DST, occasionally, clocks) are known Egyptian artefacts, they have almost nothing with this instrument. The DSTs are predictably not mentioned in the redirect target. A separate article on DST will no doubt be eventually written. Викидим (talk) 02:18, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Decan, which does mention DSTs-- and even has a picture of one. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 02:23, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good find! In this case, delete the redirects nonetheless and recreate with regular capitalization. Викидим (talk) 03:27, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have already created the Diagonal star clock, so just delete these. Викидим (talk) 04:56, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Decan per Lunamann and mark as {{R avoided double redirect}}s of Diagonal star clock. Title case redirects are plausible search terms. Thryduulf (talk) 12:15, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Decan per Lunamann and Thryduulf, valid Template:R avoided double redirects and Template:R from Plural. Topic is mentioned there and if it ever becomes its own article these will be easily adjusted. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:64C2:3C62:6E7C:A188 (talk) 16:07, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Crooked House murder

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was retarget to Crooked House. Jay 💬 07:18, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crooked House murder → The Crooked House#2023 fire and demolition (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Odd and confusing target given that Crooked House is murder mystery, along with some associated media listed at Crooked House (disambiguation), while the current target has nothing to do with murder. What should we do with it? Delete or retarget? 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:FC75:2DF1:8269:1C77 (talk) 02:13, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Crooked House. The only other thing we have here in Wikipedia that could possibly be about a "Crooked House murder", Crooked House (film), is an adaptation of Crooked House, the Agatha Christie novel. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 02:35, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget plausible search term, but seems like there are multiple targets. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:44, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Architectural destruction is a plausible search term for murder anyway. Also IPs in this range seem to have an obsession with nominating redirects of mine for RFD and not doing many other edits, so this RFD seems like a continuation of this (rather than being based on sensible editing). Joseph2302 (talk) 10:54, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have already responded elsewhere, and this is a content forum rather than a conduct forum, but in brief, this is nonsense. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:48FA:964F:4A78:DB97 (talk) 15:12, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have struck the part of the comment about user conduct, as this has been discussed elsewhere, and I'm also sufficiently convinced that this wasn't bad faith editing. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:18, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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AGE

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was Speedy keep. The nominator has failed to provide any indication of what action they are seeking or why they are seeking that. Thryduulf (talk) 12:17, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AGE → Age (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

MrBauer24 (talk) 00:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, tag as incorrect caps. Also, did nom forget to say why they made the listing, or...? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Am home, and able to actually look stuff up lol. (Trying to edit and comment on the mobile app while looking up stuff is a PAIN, 0/10, would not recommend.) In any case, now that I can actually look stuff up, recommending Speedy Keep as per reason 1: Absence of Rationale. Only thing I can think of is that @MrBauer24: wanted to recommend a retarget to a page where AGE was an acronym, but I can't think of one lol 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:58, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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