Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 August 4

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August 4

Category:Buildings and structures destroyed by fire

Propose renaming Category:Buildings and structures destroyed by fire to Category:Building and structure fires

Nominator's rationale: Rename. Consistency with all other subcats of Category:Fires by type. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:25, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:JMY Records albums

Category:JMY Records albums - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: redlink record label —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:57, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete if the thing does not have an article no reason to cat around it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:01, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fanny Lú

Category:Fanny Lú - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete as overcategorization per WP:OC#Eponymous. Minimal content to populate category that already can't be found and linked from the eponymous article. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 17:16, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:01, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Terrorist incidents in Norway in 2011

Category:Terrorist incidents in Norway in 2011 - Template:Lc1

Category:Terrorist incidents in Norway by year - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Terrorism is so rare in Norway that such a page would never be populated. Change it to per decade, then maybe. Lampman (talk) 16:51, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as part of the bigger scheme of Category:Terrorist incidents in 2011, where it's OK to have a group of one. Compare with Russia, Morocco, India, etc. Lugnuts (talk) 17:54, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Upmerge to Category:Terrorism in Norway and other parent categories. The India category is justified as it has a set of siblings within Category:Terrorist incidents in India by year. The Morocco category is on its own, but is of slight use as the article within it is named after a city rather than the country. The Norway category is really not needed as the article name includes Norway. (I added one parent category to the nomination.) - Fayenatic (talk) 18:52, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, otherwise this is speculation that there are more attacks planned. --Shuki (talk) 08:33, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Historic districts in Volusia County

Propose renaming Category:Historic districts in Volusia County to Category:Historic districts in Volusia County, Florida

Nominator's rationale: State name should be included with the county. NOTE; This category was originally created by User:Erik9bot during a 2009 Cfd, but was a redlinked category until today. ----DanTD (talk) 13:05, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Categories for discussion by month

Category:Categories for discussion from July 2011 - Template:Lc1

Category:Categories for discussion from August 2011 - Template:Lc1

Rationalle: While these categories were once necessary to prevent old CfD discussions from being forgotten, I think that we no longer need it now that Wikipedia:Database reports/Old deletion discussions keeps track of this. Additionally, no other deletion processes have similar categories. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:45, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not that familiar with the details of the cfd process, however I'll take your word that they are no longer needed. The fact that other deletion preocess do or do not usse the system, does not treally matter, simply what is best/easiest. Note, if the templates are modified the catgegories will self nom for CSD, once they are a month out of date and empty. The parent cat should be removed from the monthly maintence categories category, etc.. (Short version, give me a shout and I'll help witht making it a clean removal.) Rich Farmbrough, 13:16, 4 August 2011 (UTC).[reply]

A clean removal is actually simple - remove the DMC template at the end of {{Cfd all}}. Note that this template is fully protected, and that care needs to be taken to remove the correct number of close braces at the end. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:31, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. As one of those who actually uses this category, it makes the cleanup task a lot easier. While some of the problems with the report can be addressed, it is still not ideal for those actually working on these. Among the problems are the fact that it is updated weekly. It mixes all of the discussions, not just categories, into a single report. It is limited to a fixed number of discussions. This is a maintenance category that has shown it's worth so why delete it? Vegaswikian (talk) 18:52, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep this seems to be a useful administrative cat.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:22, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Santa Fe, Argentina

Propose renaming Category:People from Santa Fe, Argentina to Category:People from Sante Fe, Sante Fe Province

Nominator's rationale: Rename. Inadequate disambiguation, as there are two 'Santa Fes' in Argentina, the city and the province; Category:Santa Fe (city) won't work here however as there is also the city of Santa Fe, New Mexico (Category:People from Santa Fe, New Mexico) Mayumashu (talk) 08:00, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:4-dimensional geometry

Propose renaming Category:4-dimensional geometry to Category:Fourth-dimensional geometry

Nominator's rationale: Rename. Related articles spell out the word "fourth" in their names. 70.226.163.63 (talk) 06:45, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Four-dimensional geometry. The related articles use (one- two- three-) not (first- second- third-). Twiceuponatime (talk) 08:32, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Rename since it it is not about the (a) fourth dimension, but about all four dimensions (or some four dimenssions if you prefer). Rich Farmbrough, 13:18, 4 August 2011 (UTC).[reply]
Rename to Category:Four-dimensional geometry. Main article is Four-dimensional space. Occuli (talk) 00:02, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sample CDs

Category:Sample CDs - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Only two entries, both are PRODed. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:48, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Query are there relevant notable sample CDs with articles? If so is this then a useful cagtegory? Rich Farmbrough, 13:19, 4 August 2011 (UTC).[reply]
Delete. I searched for "sample CD", found another one, added it to the category, and PRODded it too. It is conceivable that sample CDs might be notable for having helped the promotion of notable bands in the past, but if so we could expect that articles would already have been created. In the new age of digital downloads, they are no longer going to be that important. - Fayenatic (talk) 13:40, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Samplers

Propose renaming Category:Samplers to Category:Samplers (musical instrument)

Nominator's rationale: Per main article, to dab from Sampler (album)/Category:Sampler albums —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:47, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per nom. Would also dab from other meanings of "sampler" --GreyCat (talk) 09:30, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Carlsberg Laboratory staff

Category:Carlsberg Laboratory staff - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete. Better served by a list in the Carlsberg Laboratory article. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 05:47, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – the Carlsberg Laboratory appears to be a research lab of some distinction and working there is accordingly a defining characteristic. Occuli (talk) 16:07, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This category is no different from categories like associated with many wikipedia accounts on academic institutions. Hhbruun (talk) 11:16, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Australian mob bosses

Category:Australian mob bosses - Template:Lc1

Nominator's rationale: Delete. The concept of a criminal "mob" is an American idiom. It has no place in Australian culture. WWGB (talk) 01:10, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment-There are mobs or, mafias if you will, in other countries so I wouldn't call it just an American term. Whether Australians use it I know nothing about.--Henriettapussycat (talk) 03:18, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It's hard to know what to do when the category has been pre-emptively emptied of contents. It's likely that being a "mob boss" is something that does happen in Australia, we just need to rename this to an appropriate Australian term. But when a user empties the category, it makes it much more difficult to progress the issue. Did you empty it, WWGB? Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 07:41, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, mea culpa! I removed the cat from some articles as it was not appropriate to those individuals. I subsequently proposed the cat for deletion as there is no such thing as an "Australian mob boss". I did not realise (then) that cats should not be vacated. The term in Australia would probably be "gang leader" or "organised crime figure". WWGB (talk) 02:41, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Were the articles that were removed what you would call gang leaders or heads of an organized crime group in Australia, or was the category application just way off in this regard? Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:57, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - The concept of the category is fine, Alphonse Gangitano and Robert Trimbole could certainly be described as "Australian organised crime bosses" or similar (although I'm not convinced Carl Williams fits that description). My concern is the use of the term "mob boss" which is a term not used in Australia. Perhaps the existing category Category:Organised crime in Australia is sufficient? WWGB (talk) 03:28, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      - OK; I'm not sure what the best solution here would be. There does seem to be a system of Category:Mob bosses which is divided by nationality, so maybe we do need to select a different name that works in Australian English. Personally, I'm not sure the overall categorization of mob bosses is necessary, but it's the apparently developed system which gives me pause. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 03:36, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        Thanks for spending time on this, I'll leave you to reflect further. The issue is probably one of WP:COMMONALITY. WWGB (talk) 04:47, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Museums accredited by the American Association of Museums

Propose renaming Category:Museums accredited by the American Association of Museums to Category:Institutions accredited by the American Association of Museums

Nominator's rationale: Rename.

The AAM accredits more than just museums. Also accredits arboreta such as the Adelaide Botanic Gardens and other similar institutions. The category name should be improved. Donama (talk) 00:41, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rename as nomCurb Chain (talk) 05:22, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete accreditation categories are disfavored as they merely convey one entity's thoughts on matters (are we going to have Category:Films rated two thumbs up?) and many things have many (potential) accreditors (chefs, universities, lawyers, athletes, automobiles, and most professions) and we'd be cluttered with everything Category:Chefs with one Michelin star, Category:Chefs with two Michelin stars, Category:Products certified by Underwriters Laboratory, Category:Lawyers rated AV by Martindale Hubble, Category:American universities accredited by the United States Department of Education, Category:Automobiles getting five stars crash testing from NHTSA, Category:Athletes sanctioned by the NCAA, Category:Things given the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval, Category:Businesses approved by American Express to cash their travellers' checks, ad nauseum. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:35, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- You mean like Category:Michelin Guide starred chefs? I tried to get this one deleted once upon a time—was able to eliminate the one-, two-, three-star categories, but this overall parent was kept by consensus. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:58, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]