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November 8

Category:Glavatičevo

Nominator's rationale: redundant - contents same as Category:Upper Neretva Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 23:09, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete also per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep - actually Category:Upper Neretva is intended to cover significantly broader range of topics, as it covers significantly larger space, physically and administratively (it stretches across to main Bosnian administrative entities - Republika Srpska and Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina); second point is that category (both of them, actually) has more potential than it looks at this point, as it covers settlement Glavatičevo and its adjacent geographical area which holds significant potential as tourist destination and it's a place of outstanding cultural and historical significance, which is best represented with a location of one of only three Bosnian heritage sites included into UNESCO list of protected sites - which all point to a possibility of much more articles on various individual subjects in the future. I also suspect that some articles are still not categorized under Glavatičevo and should have been, and that surprise me - both cats are in need of some care, and I will invest few minutes to sort them out and make them work better. Thanks, take care.--౪ Santa ౪99° 21:24, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Disabled Wikipedians

Nominator's rationale: Previously deleted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 February 17#Category:Wikipedians who are disabled. All subcategories are already in Category:Wikipedians by medical condition, so will not become orphaned if this category is deleted. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:01, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Autism and epilepsy are two very different mental disorders. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 02:30, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete As the previous discussion stated: "The grouping reflects no particular ability, expertise or interest that would support collaborative editing and for which someone might need to browse the category." -- Just N. (talk) 18:07, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: You don't think of the input of Wikipedians with disabilities as useful and that diversity doesn't assist Wikipedia? Those seem very much anti-collaboration stances. Hyacinth (talk) 09:44, 11 November 2020 (UTC)/Wikipedia[reply]
  • Keep/Merge I have to agree with Hyacinth, there are may types of disabilities which there is now a definition of Disabled and what types of disabilities there are on the page. There are Wikipedians who are disabled who create pages etc on this site too which some of us on Wikipedia forget. In my opinion, for example i think that epilepsy would be classed under both since some people who have it have it worse than others and cannot work or do basic tasks as they have a lot of seizures due to it and some can work which hardly effects their day to day activities. Perhaps, we should then merge the Disabled Wikipedians category into the Category:Wikipedians by medical condition or visa versa at least that way we can keep them both plus if there are are no relevant Wikipedia category pages on the medical condition page at least it would show it on the Disabled one or just add category: Wikipedians by medical condition to the disabled Wikipedian categories. D Eaketts (talk) 09:42, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep if users want to categorise themselves this way, why not? this is also a parent category for subcategories. Deleting this is expressing discrimination against disabled wikipedians. It appears that there is something going against minorities here that do not agree with the majority, so that any politically incorrect POV has to be censored here. Diversity is important here, and we should allow people to identify as to which part of diverse they are. The previous argument for deletion was incredibly flimsy, and this nom is even weaker, not giving any intrinsic reason whatsoever to deleteGraeme Bartlett (talk) 11:29, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:USERCAT#BROAD and it does not seem to have any collaborative purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:03, 12 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep Disability can shape a person’s identity just as much as gender and sexual orientation, which each have their own categories. And given Wikipedia’s notorious lack of diversity, we shouldn’t be making future collaboration more difficult for marginalized groups. I’m also against merging it to Category:Wikipedians by medical condition. A disability will hinder one’s ability to live a normal life, whereas a medical condition may be nondisabling or inconsequential in the scheme of one’s life. In addition, there is a notable portion of the disabled community who believe in the social model of disability, which frames disability as the social barriers experienced by people with impairments. From that perspective, disability is a separate concept from medical conditions. Nocowardsoulismine (talk) 02:59, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Persian books

Nominator's rationale: Persia redirects to Iran and there is very significant overlap between both categories - having both is redundant. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 21:57, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Fiume

Nominator's rationale: Rijeka and Fiume are the same place. The city has different names in different languages and its official name has changed , depending on which country it was in. Although I can see why someone might want to do this, it doesnt work. Plenty of the people in Category:People from Rijeka were there when it was called Fiume, and some are in both categories. As far as I know we havent done this for anywhere else, though there are plenty of cities whose names have changed. Rathfelder (talk) 19:50, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:6th century in France

Nominator's rationale: Followup to two rename discussions in 2019 and 2020 (not finalized yet) concerning France categories in the 1st millennium CE, considering those had very little to do with France (neither modern Republic and neither the preceding Kingdom) in terms of territory, rule and continuity. Francia under Merovingian dynasty and later Carolingian dynasty was covering much of Western Europe during this early Middle Ages era (476-800). Category:8th-century disestablishments in France can be deleted, having nothing to do with Francia.GreyShark (dibra) 07:50, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sports clubs named after people

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SHAREDNAME
This category groups together sports clubs that are named after a person. Local athletes, Christopher Columbus, whoever. It's definitely more common for sports clubs to be named after, say, a city or animal but these articles have nothing in common other than the same type of name. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Kurdish culture in France

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT and the spirit of WP:C1, an empty category
No conceptual objection to this category but the only article in it is Joyce Blau with little room for growth. While Ms. Blau is world expert in the Kurdish language, we don't normally stick biography articles in culture categories. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:11, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Paraw: Thank you for your efforts to populate it! I'm still not convinced of the usefulness of this category but we're getting very close to 5 articles for an organizational category called Category:Kurdish Institute of Paris with Kurdish Institute of Paris, Kurd1 Channel, The Kurdish Digital Library, Kurmancî (magazine) and room to grow. (I was not persuaded by additional biography articles or mostly Turkish cinema though.) What are your thoughts on reframing this category around the organization?RevelationDirect (talk) 01:36, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle and Peterkingiron: This category looks much different than when I nominated it. You may want to review your iVotes and give your thoughts on creating Category:Kurdish Institute of Paris. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:41, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]