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Tadej Pogačar Landslides kill at least 257 people in Geze Gofa, Ethiopia. In cycling, Tadej Pogačar (pictured) wins the Tour de France. Incumbent U.S. president Joe Biden withdraws from the 2024 presidential election. In golf, Xander Schauffele wins the Open Championship. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war timeline Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Summer Olympics Recent deaths: Jerzy Artysz John Mayall Alexander Waugh Kenneth Grange Duke Fakir Leo Burke view — page history — related changes — edit

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November 18

Portal:Current events/2023 November 18

November 18, 2023 (2023-11-18) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Kivu conflict M23 offensive At least four civilians and three soldiers are killed, with 11 injured, in a mass shooting at a IDP camp in Nyiragongo, North Kivu, DRC, amid ongoing conflict between the army and M23 rebels. (AFP via New Vision) War in Sudan Battle of Khartoum The Jebel Aulia Bridge, part of the Jebel Aulia Dam complex, is destroyed amid heavy fighting in Jabal Awliya, although the dam itself remains intact. It is the second bridge in Khartoum to be destroyed in the past week. (Sudan Tribune) Arts and culture Miss Universe 2023 Miss Nicaragua Sheynnis Palacios is crowned Miss Universe by her predecessor, R'Bonney Gabriel, marking the country's first win in the pageant's history. (CNN) Disasters and accidents 2023 Uttarakhand tunnel collapse Efforts to rescue 40 workers trapped in a collapsed tunnel in Uttarakhand, India, are suspended due to concerns of further cave-ins. (AFP via Dawn) November 2023 Brazil heat wave Death of Ana Clara Benevides A woman dies at the first of American singer Taylor Swift's concerts at the Estádio Olímpico Nilton Santos in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, during a day when temperatures reached 39.1 °C (102.4 °F). Swift postpones her second concert in the city due to the heat. (The Guardian) (AFP via Manila Bulletin) Law and crime France's Horizons party suspends Loire-Atlantique Senator Joël Guerriau following his arrest and formal charge for allegedly administering a date rape drug to MP Sandrine Josso, with the Independents caucus in the Senate also suspending him and initiating expulsion procedures. (AFP via The Straits Times) Politics and elections 2023 Democratic Republic of the Congo general election Four major Congolese opposition parties form a coalition to contest President Félix Tshisekedi in the upcoming election. Martin Fayulu's party remains absent from the agreement. (AFP via The Citizen) Science and technology SpaceX Starship Second Integrated Flight Test American aerospace manufacturer SpaceX launches the second test flight of the Starship rocket, at Starbase in Texas, United States, reaching an altitude of 148 kilometres (92 mi). The Super Heavy booster explodes shortly after separation, with the second stage terminating itself eight minutes into the flight. (CNBC) (CNN)

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SpaceX Starship

Article: SpaceX Starship Second Integrated Flight Test (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ SpaceX Starship launches, becoming the most powerful rocket in history. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ SpaceX Starship launches before losing communication, becoming the most powerful rocket ever launched
Alternative blurb II: ​ SpaceX successfully launches Starship to orbit, before losing communication.
Credits:

• Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)

The most powerful rocket ever launched. In the last test flight, the ship exploded before reaching orbit or even separating. In this test flight, all 33 engines survived (the most amount of engines ever on a rocket), a brand new hot-staging system managed to successfully separate Starship and Super Heavy, and orbit was reached. An incredible milestone in the history of human flight, not to mention being front page news almost everywhere. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:44, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support once article quality improves a bit (more information is being released). Clearly ITN and despite the test not reaching all of it's stated objectives, it's a huge achievement which represents a significant milestone towards colonizing the solar system. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:07, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

  I'm not opposed to posting any sort of space exploration items on ITN, but given the grand picture of what would be required, I have a hard time reading your claim of a significant milestone as anything other than hyperbole. Perhaps you could elaborate further on your point and on how you perceive the significance of this item. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 15:40, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

  SpaceX Starship is the largest and most powerful rocket in history by virtually every metric, and is set to return humans to the Moon as part of the Artemis program. This is a big step forward in spaceflight. Not only that, but the amount of news coverage alone and reader interest is enough to make this notable. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:21, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

  It's a rocket that has yet to succeed and hasn't actually taken a payload; its capabilities for doing almost everything promised are still on-paper; very much the "hyperbole" that Walt mentioned. By which metric, no, it's far, far from the "most powerful," since Sea Dragon comes to mind... Or any of the post-Apollo Nova concepts. Raw coverage & interest alone doesn't merit posting every single failure; this is ITN, not a corporate press release office. - Nottheking (talk) 17:39, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Most of the articles that I see covering this say that it exploded shortly after reaching space, and considered a failure. eg [1], [2]. Masem (t) 14:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Also not seeing how ITNR works here. This was the second test of that rocket model, so even granting that SpaceX being its own "country", that first ITNR for space exploration doesn't work. Masem (t) 14:34, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Hmm... - As Masem said, the spacecraft went kablooey again. Now if that was understood and considered to be part of the mission objectives, then okay; but from what I understood, one of the primary objectives was to conduct a partial orbit and it was not able to reach orbit insertion. The mission profile was an hour and a half long, and it got only eight minutes into its flight plan. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:28, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

• Needs work Per the FT, it seems reasonable to say that it reached space but claiming orbit seems too much as it self-destructed before crossing the Atlantic. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:33, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

  Removed mention of orbit and success to avoid controversy. Regardless of this, it's still incredibly notable and arguably ITN/R PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:18, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

  @PrecariousWorlds: Could you please explain why you think this is ITN/R? It doesn't fit any of the three criteria for spacecraft:

  • A country conducting its first successful indigenous orbital launch
  • The launch of space stations or installation of new major components thereof
  • Arrival of spacecraft (to lunar orbit and beyond) at their destinations

  ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 18:20, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

  Oops. I didn't realise that 'First and last launches of any type of rocket' was removed from ITN/R. My bad PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:53, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Personally I don't see another exploding unmanned spaceship as being that significant. We're still in the test phase. Let's wait until something is actually achieved. Nigej (talk) 17:00, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, also Not ITN/R How is this substantially different from the first flight test? Getting all 33 engines to light & separated appears to be all that changed from the first test flight. Which also brings to the point of claiming ITN/R; if we go and check, we see just three criteria:

• A country conducting its first successful indigenous orbital launch
• The launch of space stations or installation of new major components thereof
• Arrival of spacecraft (to lunar orbit and beyond) at their destinations

This does not fit under any such category. While I am assuming good faith that the poster thought that a deprecated criteria still existed, ("first and last launch of any rocket") this likewise isn't even the first such test. Since we have prior events to go on, it wouldn't be surprising if this is followed by yet more failed tests in 2024; posting this would basically indicate that Wikipedia intends to post every single failure, at which point ITN becomes more of a press release office for a private company. - Nottheking (talk) 17:25, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per the two votes above. Unmanned launches aren’t much of a milestone anymore, and it’s not even the first test of this specific rocket. The Kip 17:41, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Already posted the launch of the rocket system once (probably should not have) and nothing significant enough has happened to denote every minor error correction from the former on ITN. Gotitbro (talk) 19:05, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose: the flight was not successful, and no major records (such as "largest non-nuclear explosion") were set. The only records set on this flight were "most engines ever lit at takeoff" and "tallest rocket ever launched". It didn't achieve the primary mission objectives, so the Saturn V still holds the title of "largest rocket ever successfully launched". --Carnildo (talk) 19:54, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

RD: Karl Tremblay

Article: Karl Tremblay (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Journal de Québec
Credits:

• Nominated by Roncanada (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Roncanada (talk) 05:04, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

RD: Gohar Ayub Khan

Article: Gohar Ayub Khan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The News
Credits:

• Nominated by Fahads1982 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Fahads1982 (talk) 02:07, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Article needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 03:25, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) ChatGPT maker OpenAI ousted its own founder from the company

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Sam Altman (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sam Altman, the founder of OpenAI which created ChatGPT, was ousted by the company as CEO. The board said it lost confidence in him. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters / Bloomberg
Credits:

• Nominated by HolyCrocsEmperor (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 HolyCrocsEmperor (talk) 03:07, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Not the first and certainly wont be the last founder of a company to be ousted. Don't see the importance that would warrant a posting. Noah, AA^Talk 03:12, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - big news in the tech world, but unless we know WHY he was ousted, I don't see any reason to post this. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 04:36, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose provincial This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:37, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
• Wait until we find out why he was ousted, as per Rockstone. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:37, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Per Rockstone Equalwidth (C) 09:42, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Procedural oppose substandard blurb. not written in the correct tense and its written as two sentences. Substantive oppose changes of CEO are not significant enough for ITN. JM (talk) 11:32, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Hatted WP:NOTFORUM support !vote.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Support the advent of AI is the biggest and likely final event in the history of the humanity, and he's at the forefront. --5.44.170.53 (talk) 13:19, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose not that relevant. Business affairs, being business affairs. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:28, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

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November 17

Portal:Current events/2023 November 17

November 17, 2023 (2023-11-17) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war 2023 Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Israel calls on civilians to evacuate Khan Yunis in the south of Gaza and head to field hospitals, saying that Israeli troops will be carrying out a military operation in the area. (Reuters) An Israeli airstrike kills Ahmad Bahar, a senior leader in Hamas who served as the vice president of the Palestinian Legislative Council. (Times of Israel) Ten fuel trucks enter Gaza from Egypt through the Rafah Border Crossing, carrying 150,000 litres of diesel fuel. (Al-Ahram) Myanmar civil war Operation 1027 The military recaptures the town of Pauktaw, Rakhine State, from the Arakan Army following heavy bombardment of the town. (Myanmar Now) A Myanmar Air Force warplane bombs a school in Chin State, killing at least eight children. (BBC News) Operation 1107 Karenni rebels overrun military forces sheltering inside the district courthouse in Loikaw, Kayah State, subsequently setting the building on fire as fighting continues in the city. (The Irrawaddy) Business and economy 2022–2023 food crises Russia begins its shipments of free grain to Africa as part of President Vladimir Putin's pledge to send 200,000 tonnes of grain to six African nations. (AFP via The Moscow Times) 2023 United Auto Workers strike The United Auto Workers and General Motors ratify a contract to end the strike at General Motors plants across the United States. (ABC) The Al Dhafra solar farm, the largest solar farm in the world, comes online in the United Arab Emirates. The solar farm is expected to power around 200,000 homes. (Electrek) Sam Altman steps down as CEO of American artificial intelligence developer OpenAI following a vote from the company's board of directors demanding his resignation. In response, fellow co-founder Greg Brockman quits his role as president of OpenAI. Mira Murati takes over as interim CEO. (CNBC) Disasters and accidents November 2023 Mindanao earthquake A magnitude 6.7 earthquake hits southern Mindanao, Philippines, killing at least seven people and leaving two others missing. (Bloomberg) International relations APEC United States 2023 Japan–United States relations Japan and the United States finalize a $2.35 billion deal for the latter to export 400 Tomahawk cruise missiles to the former. (AFP via France 24) Philippines–United States relations The Philippines and the United States sign a deal for the latter to export nuclear technology and materials to the former. (Reuters) Nagorno-Karabakh conflict The International Court of Justice orders Azerbaijan to facilitate the "safe, unimpeded, and expeditious" return of displaced people to Nagorno-Karabakh, following the country's offensive, and to ensure freedom of movement for those wishing to leave or remain in the region. (AFP via RFI) Rohingya genocide case Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom formally join the genocide case at the International Court of Justice against Myanmar, accusing Myanmar's military junta of committing genocide against the Rohingya people. (Al Jazeera) The ECOWAS Court rules that Senegal has not violated the rights of opposition figure Ousmane Sonko. (AFP via The Guardian) Politics and elections 2023 Liberian general election Liberian President George Weah concedes defeat to former Vice President Joseph Boakai. (Reuters) Science and technology Twitter under Elon Musk Apple, IBM, Paramount Global and other multinational companies suspend their advertising on X (formerly Twitter) in response to X chairman Elon Musk's endorsement of the white genocide conspiracy theory. (Axios) (The New York Times) The European Commission suspends all paid advertising on X, citing the risk of "reputational damage" to the EU, and "widespread concerns relating to the spread of disinformation" on the platform. (Politico) Sports 2023–24 Premier League Everton Football Club receives a 10-point deduction this season for breaching the Premier League's profit and sustainability rules, having made losses of £124.5 million (around US$155 million) in the three years up to 2021–22, with the limit being £105 million ($131 million). It is the largest points deduction in the league's history. (AP)

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Everton F.C.

Past Everton F.C. league positions

Article: Everton F.C. (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Everton F.C. receive a 10-point deduction from the Premier League, the biggest in the competition’s history. (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Equalwidth (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This is the biggest point deduction in Premier League history. ITN obliviously needed. Equalwidth (C) 08:19, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The blurb doesn't explain this and neither does the article update. It seems that it has something to do with the club losing money but it's a curious sport that penalises you for that. Me, I'm more interested in the 10 grid penalty given to Carlos Sainz in the Las Vegas Grand Prix but so it goes... Andrew🐉(talk) 09:31, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Oppose How is it "obviously" needed? It's one team losing points in a country-wide competition. ChaotıċEnby(talk) 10:44, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Oppose no bolded article, no article about the topic, the only line about this in either article is one single line within a large unrelated section of the first article, a non-ITN/R sporting event... and isn't notable enough for ITN. JM (talk) 11:26, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose It's one point more than the previous record for Portsmouth in 2010, so the headlines of biggest deduction in history are true but not groundbreaking. [4] We still don't know if it will be enough to take Everton down in May next year, and that's not a notable thing either as three teams go down every year. The real thing will be whether the 115 charges against Manchester City are proven and whether they are stripped of all their trophies in that timeframe. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:17, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per all above. Simply doesn’t meet the bar for ITN blurbing. The Kip 17:38, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

2023 Liberian general election

Joseph Boakai

Article: 2023 Liberian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Joseph Boakai (pictured) is elected President of Liberia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Joseph Boakai (pictured) is elected President of Liberia in the runoff, defeating incumbent president George Weah.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Number 57 (talk · give credit) and Scu ba (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Incumbent has conceded, remarkably well run for a run-off in Liberia as EU described it. BastianMAT (talk) 23:48, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Support, especially alt blurb Hoping for a peaceful transfer of power! Article seems in pretty good shape, although I'm guessing it's time to add an Aftermath or Reactions section! (As right now it finishes with the table-heavy results, maybe a bit of prose or analysis by sources?) ChaotıċEnby(talk) 01:05, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good. Altblurb looks better. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:43, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Support original blurb ITN/R, good enought article, original blurb is more concise JM (talk) 02:02, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support altblurb (Weah name recognition). I added a line of prose before the results table, but more could still be said. Moscow Mule (talk) 02:32, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Support alt blurb. Makes sense to point out that the incumbent was defeated here. estar8806 (talk) ★ 02:37, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support altblurb change of head of gov is ITN/R, and article seems adequate This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:35, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Poor quality. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support original blurb. Quality is not great, but OK. Polyamorph (talk) 09:16, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose quality is far from being ok. The results section needs more prose and there is no section on reactions and afrermath. Especially considering the historical post-election violence that has existed in the country. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:59, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality per Alsor. The Kip 17:39, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

November 16

Portal:Current events/2023 November 16

November 16, 2023 (2023-11-16) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Siege of Gaza City The Israel Defense Forces surround Al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza City with tanks. (Middle East Monitor) Israeli Police kill three gunmen who attacked a checkpoint near Jerusalem, injuring six security forces. (AFP via RFI) Myanmar civil war Operation 1027 The Arakan Army captures the town of Pauktaw, Rakhine State. The military responds by bombing the town with helicopters and warships. (The Irrawaddy) India reports that over half of the estimated 5,000 refugees who fled heavy fighting in Myanmar's Chin State for northeastern India are returning home after the military and rebels from the Chin National Front reach a ceasefire agreement. (AP) War in Sudan The Sudan Liberation Movement, the Justice and Equality Movement and other smaller rebel factions declare war on the Rapid Support Forces, having previously remained neutral in the conflict. (Sudan Tribune) Arts and culture 24th Annual Latin Grammy Awards The general categories are dominated by female winners. (Billboard) Disasters and accidents Lüliang office fire Twenty-six people are killed and 63 others are injured in a fire at an office building in Lüliang, Shanxi, China. (BBC News) Four Indonesian Air Force personnel are killed when their military planes crash in Pasuruan, East Java, Indonesia. (Asia Today) Twenty-three people are injured when a Chicago "L" commuter train crashes into snow removal equipment in Chicago, Illinois, United States. (BBC News) Health and environment The European Commission renews its authorisation of the systemic herbicide glyphosate for 10 years, following the failure of the European Union member states to reach a consensus on the renewal. (AFP via France 24) International relations Enlargement of NATO Sweden–NATO relations, Sweden–Turkey relations The Turkish parliament's foreign affairs commission delays a vote on Sweden's NATO membership bid. (Reuters) Haitian crisis The Parliament of Kenya approves the deployment of its police officers to Haiti as part of a United Nations-backed multinational security mission to combat the gang war in Haiti. (AFP via TOI) Law and crime Russian activist Aleksandra Skochilenko is sentenced to seven years in prison on charges related to her protest of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. (The Guardian) Politics and elections 2023 Guatemalan general election The Guatemalan Attorney General's Office requests that the immunity of President-elect Bernardo Arévalo and Vice President-elect Karin Herrera be lifted for their alleged participation in the seizure of the facilities of the Universidad de San Carlos de Guatemala. If the request is successful, Arévalo and Herrera could be arrested. (Bloomberg) 2023 Malagasy presidential election Citizens of Madagascar vote for their president. (Africanews) 2023 Spanish government formation Pedro Sánchez is re-elected as prime minister of Spain, forming his third government. (The Guardian) Science and technology A Norse Atlantic Airways Boeing 787 lands at Troll Airfield in Antarctica, making it the first time that this type of aircraft has landed in Antarctica. (Flightradar24) Casgevy, a world-first gene therapy that aims to cure sickle-cell disease and transfusion-dependent beta thalassemia, is approved by the UK's Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency, becoming the first drug using CRISPR to be licensed. (BBC)

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RD: A. S. Byatt

Article: A. S. Byatt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Moscow Mule (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit), Proscribe (talk · give credit) and Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

English writer. Her article is lengthy and well referenced. Moscow Mule (talk) 16:26, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support The article is surprisingly in good shape for an in-depth one. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:09, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support A notable writer, a fine article. Trepang2 (talk) 20:18, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 00:50, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
• Comment excessive use of quotes (MOS:QUOTE) lifted from the Guardian article [5] Polyamorph (talk) 11:19, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support Just found out—Ōe, Amis, McCarthy, Kundera, now A. S. Byatt. The article is in good shape and can be posted. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 17:52, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

RD: Thomas J. Bliley Jr.

Article: Thomas J. Bliley Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WTVR
Credits:

• Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former congressman and mayor from Richmond, Virginia. Needs source work and prose expansion. Curbon7 (talk) 22:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Article needs more sources. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 04:58, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) Pedro Sánchez reelected as Spain's prime minister

Article: 2023 Spanish government formation (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Pedro Sánchez is re-elected as the prime minister of Spain following the 2023 Spanish general election in July. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Four months after the July 2023 general election, Pedro Sánchez is reelected as the prime minister of Spain.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Pedro Sánchez is re-elected as the prime minister of Spain, after making a deal that extended amnesty to members of the Catalan independence movement.
News source(s): [6][7][8][9]
Credits:

• Nominated by Estar8806 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Impru20 (talk · give credit)

Normally I wouldn't nominate something like this as I would probably consider it to have been covered by the posting for the election. The election was posted in July [10], but it rolled off of ITN after a couple hours. Changes in head of government are also WP:ITN/R, though not as part of a general election, hence I didn't list this as ITN/R. Though, considering that it's been several months since the general election and the article for that rolled off relatively quickly, I figured this should have a chance. estar8806 (talk) ★ 23:00, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Support, excellent article and we haven't had a blurb in over a week. ChaotıċEnby(talk) 23:41, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Support per above Lukt64 (talk) 23:43, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

• Extremely Weak Support Taking note that Sanchez's BLP makes no reference to the scandalous circumstances under which he was able to secure the needed support to remain in power. That's a huge miss in an article about a head of government. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:01, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support. The govt formation article is good enough, and a clean-shaven gent in a nice shirt and tie could replace Mr. Nascar / Wabash / Ford Motor Co. Moscow Mule (talk) 00:56, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  If image change is all that is wanted, the Myanmar article has some. And do not really a problem enough with Blaney to base of the notability of this on that alone. Gotitbro (talk) 04:17, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  No, I wasn't supporting the Sánchez nom just to get rid of Blaney; the story of the four-month negotiations and the PSOE succeeding where the PP couldn't stands on its own merits. And there's an AltBlurb still to be written that succinctly captures that. Moscow Mule (talk) 13:28, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - we posted this as part of a general election, and the head of government did not, in fact, change, because he was reelected. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 03:56, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Yes, Pedro Sánchez was and still is PM of Spain, but I think this story is more then just about Sánchez, it's about a multi-month government formation. I'd be fine redacting the mention of the election itself for this reason. And, as much as I hate to be the guy who pulls this card, but I think the slow news cycle does make this a little more reasonable to post. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:46, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Support alt1 Support Alt2; just because it's ITN/R to post an election OR appointment of a PM doesn't mean we can't post the end of the months-long struggle for the reelection of a PM outside of ITN/R. JM (talk) 06:54, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support alt government formation months after election, will be of interest to readers. Polyamorph (talk) 06:58, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurbs The currently proposed blurbs give the impression that this is just business as usual. But when we ran this before, we posted the picture of a different party leader because their party got the most votes. And so the King gave them the first crack at forming a government but their vote of confidence failed to pass. Sanchez then got a chance and the real news is that he's got further by doing a controversial deal with Catalan separatists. So, any blurb for this needs to summarise why our previous selection didn't work out and how this one has. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:36, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support This was pretty big news, but as the above comments mention, it's mostly notable because of the investiture coalition he formed. I'd propose ALT2 "Pedro Sánchez is reelected as the prime minister of Spain, after making a deal that extended amnesty to members of the Catalan independence movement". --Grnrchst (talk) 09:57, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Neither the blurb nor the article itself actually covers the controversial circumstances surrounding his re-election - and if you look at the news stories, that is ITN rather than the re-election itself. Black Kite (talk) 10:26, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

The nominated article is quite extensive and includes sections such as 2023 Spanish government formation#Reactions to amnesty and PSOE–Junts alliance. What more are you expecting? Andrew🐉(talk) 11:09, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support ALT 2 per @Grnrchst. The formation of the government is notable in addition to the election itself (already posted) - but it is only notable because of the historic nature of the deal made. That's what is ITN worthy and it therefore needs to be in the blurb. Flip^andFlopped ツ 15:49, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
• Very undecided I've never been in favour of blurbing the results of the same electoral process first and then who has become prime minister. I'm not convinced by the idea of including something about amnesty in the blurb. There is no doubt that the amnesty proposal has generated a worsening of the tension and mistrust in the country (the rejection of the most important associations of judges and magistrates, bar associations, state lawyers and other actors involved in the Spanish judiciary; the subtle request for a coup d'état by more than 50 retired military commanders and the recent riots in the streets of Madrid), but it's just a political investiture agreement that, I believe, will not have much of a future (absolute majority in the Senate of the opposition party and a possible challenge before the Constitutional Court). Perhaps we can talk about it if it becomes a reality... _-_Alsor (talk) 18:56, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
• Posted ALT2. The blurb is quite long and I encourage further discussion regarding shortening that. Schwede66 22:11, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  Maybe we could change "after making a deal that extended amnesty to members of the Catalan independence movement" to "after extending amnesty to Catalan independentists"? Same information content but slightly shorter. ChaotıċEnby(talk) 22:20, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  "Separatists" would be a better (and shorter) word than the somewhat unusual "independentists". Black Kite (talk) 00:25, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks. I've changed it to read "after extending amnesty to [[Catalan independence movement|Catalan separatists]]". Schwede66 00:32, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support Current blurb is okay except I think it wasn't worth it to remove "making a deal" for the sake of brevity, readers who aren't familiar with parliamentary systems might read this as some weird non-NPOV point we've decided to make. Maybe change to something like, Pedro Sánchez is re-elected as the prime minister of Spain, in a coalition agreement that extends amnesty to Catalan separatists. Davey2116 (talk) 01:01, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

  Support this proposed revision JM (talk) 01:57, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

  Support, makes it more clear how the parliamentary coalition process worked. ChaotıċEnby(talk) 10:48, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

• Comment - Why was this posted? I don't think there was consensus for it. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 04:37, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Even with a simple number count, at the time you added this comment the discussion was at 10-3-1. I would also say that there are only two true opposes, with the other concerned only with the blurb formulation, versus only one "extremely weak support". I see a clear consensus and endorse Schwede66's post. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 05:23, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
• Comment - the current blurb is highly confusing. It says he was re-elected, yet the article linked is about government formation. The election was ages ago and we already posted it. Should be reworded to reflect what's actually in the news, i.e. That he made a deal and has now formed a coalition etc. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 07:44, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

  He was not re-elected as PM in the general election, because PMs are not elected in general elections. He was re-elected in the sense that the Cortes Generales finally approve of him being PM again after months of failures. JM (talk) 11:23, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

RD: Ken Squier

Article: Ken Squier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [11], [12]
Credits:

• Nominated by thrashbandicoot01 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American motorsports announcer best known for his longstanding affiliation with NASCAR.

Needs expansion. thrashbandicoot01 (talk) 14:22, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Neville Garrick

Article: Neville Garrick (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [13]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Polyamorph (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs expansion. Polyamorph (talk) 06:19, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. Article is a basically a stub and is way too short for ITN. Looks better now. Changing to Support. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 11:38, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

  @Midori No Sora: started expanding. Polyamorph (talk) 16:44, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support - I think it's good enough ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 17:31, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
• Comment I've expanded it to start C class. Polyamorph (talk) 18:11, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support, good work on the expansion! Looks good to go for posting. Tails Wx 15:13, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 22:30, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

November 15

Portal:Current events/2023 November 15

November 15, 2023 (2023-11-15) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war 2023 Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip A fuel truck enters the Gaza Strip through the Rafah Border Crossing from Egypt for the first time since the war began. (AFP via The Manila Times) Siege of Gaza City Al-Shifa Hospital siege The Israel Defense Forces enter the Al-Shifa Hospital complex in Gaza City with infantry and tanks. (BBC News) Myanmar civil war Operation 1027 The pro-democracy National Unity Government says that over 200 junta troops and their families have surrendered to rebel forces near the border with China. (NHK World) The military junta imposes a curfew in Sittwe, the capital of Rakhine State, with tanks reported on the city's streets. The Arakan Army reportedly captures dozens of policemen and soldiers. (Reuters) The Myanmar National Democratic Alliance Army claims that an entire battalion of the military surrendered to the Three Brotherhood Alliance in Shan State. (NBC News) Junta spokesperson Zaw Min Tun accuses rebel groups of "destroying the whole country" and says that reports of captured military bases are "propaganda". (The Business Standard) Operation 1107 Karenni rebels in Kayah State capture Loikaw University, evacuating 170 members of the university staff and their families, as fighting continues in the city. (The Irrawaddy) Russian invasion of Ukraine Southern Ukraine campaign A Russian missile strike kills two emergency workers and injures seven others in Zaporizhzhia Oblast, Ukraine. (Reuters) War in Sudan Battle of Khartoum Fighting continues in Jabal Awliya, south of Khartoum, with local sources claiming that the Rapid Support Forces took control of the Al Najumi air base and a road connecting the city to White Nile State. (Sudan Tribune) Violence between rival tribes in South Darfur kills at least 30 people over three days of clashes. (Radio Dabanga) Disasters and incidents 2023 Doda bus accident A bus carrying passengers slides off the road and falls down a 300-foot valley in Doda district, Jammu and Kashmir, India, killing at least 39 people and injuring 19 others. (TOI) International relations APEC United States 2023 China–United States relations U.S. President Joe Biden and Chinese leader Xi Jinping hold talks in San Francisco, California, United States, their first meeting in over a year. The talks are described as being positive with "real progress" being made on key issues such as drug trafficking and artificial intelligence. (Reuters) France–Syria relations France issues arrest warrants for Syrian president Bashar al-Assad and his brother Maher al-Assad on charges of crimes against humanity and complicity in war crimes, including the 2013 Ghouta chemical attack. (Reuters) Guyana–Venezuela relations Venezuela announces that it will proceed with a referendum on the status of Guayana Esequiba, despite Guyana's petition to stop the referendum from being held. (Reuters) International reactions to the Israel–Hamas war United Nations Security Council Resolution 2712 The UN Security Council passes a resolution calling for humanitarian pauses in the conflict, the establishment of humanitarian corridors, and for the unconditional release of hostages taken by Hamas. Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States abstained. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime The Supreme Court of the United Kingdom rules that the British government's Rwanda asylum plan, where illegal immigrants would be relocated to Rwanda for processing and resettlement, is unlawful. (BBC News) Politics and elections 2024 Bangladeshi general election The Bangladesh Election Commission announces that parliamentary elections will occur on January 7 next year, following weeks of violent protests by supporters of the opposition. (Al Jazeera) Malawian President Lazarus Chakwera suspends all publicly funded international travel for government officials, including himself, until the end of March, as part of measures to address the country's economic challenges. (AFP via The Citizen)

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RD: Worta McCaskill-Stevens

Article: Worta McCaskill-Stevens (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [14]
Credits:

• Created and nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Shivasprogeny (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Physician-scientist and medical oncologist.

2023 Doda bus accident

Article: 2023 Doda bus accident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A bus crash kills 39 and injures 19 in Jammu and Kashmir, India. (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

• Nominated by JM2023 (talk · give credit)
• Created by DSP2092 (talk · give credit)

A bus crash with a rather high fatality rate; it got its own article, and ITN is very un-dynamic right now. JM (talk) 05:05, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose At this stage, no clear indication this event will have long-term consequences, so a failure of NOTNEWS and NEVENT in creation of the article. Seems like an unfortunate accident but that's all. --Masem (t) 05:17, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per bus plunge and WP:NEWSEVENT. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
• Comment We have posted similar bus plunges recently, so am not sure why this one specifically is objectionable. Not posting bus plunges altogether is one thing, but it would be nice if we were consistent. Curbon7 (talk) 09:07, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

  At this point I'm opposing bus plunges in general. ITN has a pretty skewed notion of what is or isn't notable. ChaotıċEnby(talk) 10:46, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

  Overall, WP has gotten far too excessive on covering small minor news events that do not have long term impacts or will not be a significant topic 10+ years from now, which is against NOT#NEWS and NEVENT. Things like these types of traffic accidents. We're trying to cull those back both across WP and at ITN. So consider this a WP:CCC type situation. (and why ITN guidelines say to not evoke "We posted X, not why Y?") Masem (t) 13:40, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Rwanda asylum plan

Article: Rwanda asylum plan (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Supreme Court of the United Kingdom rules the government's Rwanda asylum plan to be unlawful. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Chaotic Enby (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Country-level politics, but with far reaching implications. Plus, we haven't had a new blurb in more than a week. ChaotıċEnby(talk) 00:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - "no new blurb in over a week" is a terrible justification for posting. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 03:57, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  Not necessarily in my opinion. WP:ITNPURPOSE: [4] To emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource. Wikipedia doesn't appear very dynamic right now if ITN is the measure. The newest blurb is a week old and the oldest is 2 weeks old. I feel that ITN newsworthiness standards may be able to be lowered slightly if they're so high that nothing at all gets posted for over a week.

  (Not to say that this particular article should be posted -- I am neutral on that.) JM (talk) 04:12, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  Agreed. We have very arbitrary rules for what should be posted, to the point where we barely blurb anything useful to the average reader. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 05:17, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  +1 to both comments above. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 05:24, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

• Comment The Rwanda scheme has been dead for a while, this is just the final proverbial nail-in-the-coffin. Additionally, most of the legal objection seems to center on Rwanda not being stable rather than the idea of relocating asylum seekers to other countries, so I'm not sure the implications are broad in that sense. Curbon7 (talk) 04:23, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  Oppose for the reasons I give above. Curbon7 (talk) 21:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Run of the mill domestic politics and legal case -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:26, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  It was an international agreement of exchange between the UK and Rwanda, not merely a domestic affair. JM (talk) 04:52, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support: its the cancellation of an international cross-continental exchange program established by two national governments. And we need dynamism in ITN, not the same four blurbs for over a week straight. JM (talk) 04:55, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  We cannot force the creation of news so this dynamism argument is invalid. Masem (t) 05:18, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  We cannot force the creation of news, but I think we can lower the high high standards of newsworthiness at ITN just a little bit in order to have a corresponding raise in dynamism. This is the latter, not the former. JM (talk) 05:21, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  How are we forcing the creation of news? Is this not already on the front page of many significant news outlets? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 05:22, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  I am simply saying say that "ITN has been stale" is not a valid reason to promote blurbs. Nothing about this specific blurb, just the argument in general. Masem (t) 12:15, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  Agreed, but I do think there's a case to be made. The purpose of ITN is to direct viewers to relevant articles to current news items. Even if there's a slow news week, we should seek to keep up with current stories as much as possible, which could potentially mean lowering our (rather arbitrary I'd argue) standards of notability in order to best serve readers. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:46, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Support - In The News, major international agreement. I do think that there is a good case @JM2023 is making here, while we shouldn't post this solely because the current blurbs are stale, it is a factor. We should keep up with what is in the news, even if its a slow news week (which is becoming an increasingly rare occurance these days lol). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 05:21, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support per JM. Polyamorph (talk) 05:58, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Migrant and refugee issues are ongoing everywhere. For example, Finland is closing its border with Russia for this reason. So, if we cover this, it should be done in a more general encyclopedic way, rather than cherry-picking one incident. And the UK ruling is not the last word as the government is now planning to pass emergency legislation and this will likely be tested by further legal action. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:51, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  Good point. Perhaps there's some way we can combine all of these migration issues into a blurb? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:05, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  Wouldn't that be WP:SYNTH? Just propose the Finland border closure as another blurb. JM (talk) 19:13, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

  At this point I might just want to propose it, although I'm not sure it would fare too well. Something like the Rwanda asylum plan is on a much higher notability level than a "simple" border closing. ChaotıċEnby(talk) 01:08, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

  I proposed the Indian bus crash knowing it would probably not get consensus to post just to give an oppurtunity for a new blurb, but it's up to you. I have no plans to propose it. JM (talk) 02:01, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

  Okay, I've looked at the article, it's not even a full border closing, only some checkpoints. That definitely can't be put on the same level, you can't use routine stuff to argue that a much more notable event is "cherry-picked". ChaotıċEnby(talk) 01:14, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

  Finland was given as an example because it had just been reported in the news. But it is not isolated and the point of the other source is that such events are widespread and common. For more examples, I just search the news to turn up the following reports from within the last 24 hours:

Rohingya refugees reach western Indonesia on decrepit boat

Inside a Lebanese refugee camp...

Hundreds of Afghans evacuated from Pakistan ‘dumped’ in military bases...

Refugees in PNG told they will be evicted next week ...

Andrew🐉(talk) 09:46, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

I understand that it was an example, no need to be condescending about it. My point was that it's a bad example, and that you can't just put anything related to refugees on the same level. What's newsworthy was the plan itself, not "something related to refugees happened", which is why you can't really compare it to random other examples.

Two events aren't close to being of the same importance just because they both have "refugee" in the title. ChaotıċEnby(talk) 10:42, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

The nominated issue is quite minor as these things go. It concerned a flight of just seven people and the ruling was just an administrative issue: "there had not been a proper assessment of whether Rwanda was safe". So, the government will just make that assessment and back it up with further agreements and legislation as necessary. The operation will continue and the lawyers will continue to bicker about it but it's quite a small impact when you consider that about 1% of the world's population is displaced -- over 80 million people. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:34, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per all above. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:30, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Support. This is a significant change in cross-continental policy. If this is not noteworthy enough for ITN, especially on a slow news week, I don't know what is. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 21:08, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per Ad Orientem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elisecars727 (talk • contribs) 21:56, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support, per JM's "just a little bit". Moscow Mule (talk) 01:36, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

RD: N. Sankaraiah

Article: N. Sankaraiah (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Wire
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian Politican Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:21, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

• Comment. Thrown in a CN tag in the early years section. Rest of the article is sourced, but it won't hurt to expand it more. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 11:44, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

November 14

Portal:Current events/2023 November 14

November 14, 2023 (2023-11-14) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war 2023 Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Siege of Gaza City Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says that "the IDF have completed the encirclement of Gaza City". Defense Minister Yoav Gallant also says that Hamas has "lost control" of Gaza City as Israeli troops capture the city's municipal buildings. (The Jerusalem Post) (CNN) Red Sea crisis The IDF intercepts a surface-to-surface missile launched from Yemen over the Red Sea. (Al Arabiya) Seven Palestinians are killed in an Israeli raid in Tulkarm in the occupied West Bank. (Al Arabiya) Mali War The Malian Armed Forces recapture the town of Kidal from Tuareg separatist forces, according to junta leader Assimi Goïta. (AFP via France 24) Myanmar civil war Operation 1027 The Chin National Army says that it has successfully captured the border town of Rikhawdar in Chin State. (The Irrawaddy) India deports 39 Myanmar Army soldiers who abandoned their positions and fled across the border into Mizoram. The soldiers were disarmed by the Assam Rifles before being sent back to Myanmar by helicopter. (The Hindu) Operation 1107 Heavy fighting is reported in Loikaw, the capital of Kayah State, as Karenni rebel groups attempt to capture the city from the military. (The Irrawaddy) The Arakan Army claims that nearly 40 positions in Rakhine State have been abandoned by the military. (The Irrawaddy) Disasters and accidents Six people are killed and eighteen others are injured in a crash between a semi-trailer and a charter bus on Interstate 70 in Licking County, Ohio, United States. (The Columbus Dispatch) International relations Ethiopia–United States relations USAID announces the resumption of food aid distribution to Ethiopia following an agreement with the Ethiopian government on enhanced monitoring measures. USAID suspended aid delivery in June due to allegations of diversion. (AFP via Daily Tribune) Belize suspends diplomatic relations with Israel over its war conduct, and calls for an immediate ceasefire. (CNN) Law and crime Israel–Hamas war protests March for Israel Tens of thousands of demonstrators gather on the National Mall in Washington, D.C. to condemn the rise in antisemitism during the war and call for the release of Hamas-held hostages. (AP News) Human trafficking in Myanmar Myanmar authorities rescue 19 South Koreans from captivity by an unspecified illegal entity in Tachileik, Shan State. (AFP via SCMP) The Federal Supreme Court of Iraq dismisses Parliament Speaker Mohamed al-Halbousi and Representative Laith al-Duleimi, following a complaint alleging that Halbousi falsified a resignation letter that would have removed Duleimi from parliament. (AFP via Barron's) Interpol announces its first successful identification for Operation Identify Me. A murder victim found in a river in Antwerp, Belgium in 1992 is identified as a woman from Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom. (BBC News) The South Yorkshire Police in the UK announces that a man has been arrested for manslaughter in connection with the death of ice hockey player Adam Johnson during a match between the Nottingham Panthers and Sheffield Steelers on October 28. (The Guardian) Politics and elections 2023 Liberian general election Liberians elect their president in a run-off between incumbent George Weah and challenger Joseph Boakai. (BBC News)

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(Posted) RD: Peter Seidler

Article: Peter Seidler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [15]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Muboshgu (talk • contribs) 19:43, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support His article is very sparse/basic, but it is fully sourced. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:02, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
• Comment: Patient made the majority of his wealth from his career at Seidler Equity Partners, but limited information about this part of his career is included in the article. Spencer^T•C 15:32, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

  His notability comes from owning the Padres. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:55, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

• Weak support While more info could be added in terms of his pre-Padres career, article is well sourced and not a stub. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:49, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 21:23, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

RD: Subrata Roy

Article: Subrata Roy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): IE
Credits:

• Nominated by The Herald (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian businessman who founded Sahara India Pariwar.The Herald (Benison) (talk) 19:01, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support Well sourced. Enough prose. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 19:05, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Date and place of birth is sourced by Medium.com, which is WP:RSPSOURCES. Schwede66 21:20, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ociel Baena

Article: Ociel Baena (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (The Guardian) (NBC News) (BBC News) )(El País)
Credits:

• Nominated by Ornithoptera (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Clairvius Narcisse (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Tragic death of an important figure at the local level. Ornithoptera (talk) 08:24, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose in current state: barely 200 words. Moscow Mule (talk) 11:36, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

wait article was created after this person died. brings the subjects notability for having an article into question. could be nominated for deletion soon. JM (talk) 13:00, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

​Per WP:JUDGE, they're likely notable. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 15:43, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

and perhaps tangential, but the article says they dont know if it was homicide or accident and theres no evidence of third-party entry so "tragic killing" is speculative JM (talk) 15:53, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Same deal with Vivian Silver, which is marked "Ready" below. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:35, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support First non-binary judge in Latin America, article has substantially been expanded since nomination. Definitely RD worthy. --NoonIcarus (talk) 23:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support Per above. - José Gnudista (talk) 01:36, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Support Article in a very good shape and well-sourced. ChaotıċEnby(talk) 09:05, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Comment Title of the submission has been changed to their full name, why? Shouldn't it be their preferred name (which matches with the article title) instead? ChaotıċEnby(talk) 17:51, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Reply. Not true. I changed the target article following a page move (discussed on its talk page) in this edit, but the original nomination used the full legal name from the outset, and that I didn't touch. Maybe it was a breach of protocol to change the target article; apols if that's the case, I just wanted to skip a redirect. Moscow Mule (talk) 21:24, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Reply Thank you for the heads up @Chaotic Enby:, at the time I had nominated the article, a variety of news sources that I had seen their name referred with using their deadname. For example, The Guardian's "Jesús Ociel Baena, who used they/them pronouns, was celebrated across Latin America for their work to advance the rights of the LGBTQ+ community" and I had thus presumed that was their preferred name. Since that information is now outdated I will update the RD nomination to reflect their preferred name. Ornithoptera (talk) 21:47, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

• Not ready Unreferenced date of birth / place of birth. Schwede66 21:16, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

  Comment Updated with sources regarding their birthdate and birthplace. Ornithoptera (talk) 09:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Ready to go. Good job. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 11:03, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

RD: Don Walsh

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Article: Don Walsh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://news.usni.org/2023/11/13/retired-navy-capt-don-walsh-deep-sea-submariner-and-ocean-explorer-dies-at-92
Credits:

• Nominated by Yeti-Hunter (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Yeti-Hunter (talk) 05:32, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

• Supportonce bare URLstag is removed. Article isn't perfect, but only has 2 cn tags. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 17:53, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Outstanding cn tags. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:51, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose I have nominated the article and later I tried to fix/set some of the missing cn tags. However I found out later in that process that a significant part seems to be copied from the website https://www.bluebird-electric.net/submarines/SeaLab_US_Navy_Underwater_Research_Laboratory.htm. The article should be carefully reworked byy an experienced native speaker.Yeti-Hunter (talk) 05:39, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Snowclose due to what Yeti-Hunter has just said JM (talk) 05:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

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November 13

Portal:Current events/2023 November 13

November 13, 2023 (2023-11-13) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Siege of Gaza City Al-Shifa Hospital siege Gaza's two largest hospitals, Al-Shifa Hospital and Al-Quds Hospital, both suspend operations. (NPR) (Al Jazeera) Israeli troops of the Golani Brigade seize control of the Palestinian Legislative Council building in Gaza City, which has been used by Hamas lawmakers since 2007. (The Times of Israel) Israel bombs the Al-Salam Mosque in Sabra, increasing the total number of mosques destroyed by Israeli forces to more than 60. (Dawn) United Nations compounds around the world lower the UN flag to half-mast to honour the 101 UN workers who have been killed by Israeli attacks. (Reuters) (Al Jazeera) The UN agency for Palestinian refugees says that the Israeli Navy damaged one of its guesthouses in Rafah, despite having shared coordinates with Israel multiple times. (Relief Web) (Al Jazeera) Director of the UN agency for Palestinian refugees Thomas White says that humanitarian operations in Gaza will be suspended within the next 48 hours due to a shortage of fuel. (AFP via Barron's) World Health Organization Director-General Tedros Adhanoms warns of a "dire and perilous" situation in Gaza's hospitals, saying that more patients, including premature babies, are dying. (ABC News) The Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics says that 3,117 students enrolled in schools in Gaza have been killed by Israel, while 4,613 have been injured. A further 130 teachers and school administrators are also killed. Twenty-four students have been killed in the West Bank. (Al Jazeera) Myanmar civil war Operation 1027 The Chin National Army says that they captured a Tatmadaw base in Rikhawdar, Chin State, and are currently fighting for control of the town which is located on the border with India. More than 5,000 people flee across the border into India's Mizoram state. (Reuters) (The Irrawaddy) Fighting occurs between the military and the Arakan Army in several townships in Rakhine State, with the Arakan Army claiming that it took several outposts. (The Irrawaddy) Myanmar civil war Operation 1027 Arakan Army launched attack at Paletwa town in Chin State. (Irrawaddy) Syrian civil war Russian intervention in the Syrian civil war Russian airstrikes on rebel-held Idlib Governorate kill at least 34 fighters and injure more than 60 others, according to the Russian Reconciliation Center for Syria. (Reuters) International relations International reactions to the Israel–Hamas war Scottish First Minister Humza Yousaf reiterates his call for an "immediate ceasefire" in the war on Gaza, saying that "children in Gaza don't need a pause in the killing, they need it to stop". (Al Jazeera) Amnesty International says that EU countries "must" call for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza, adding that "the expanding humanitarian and human rights catastrophe unfolding in Gaza urgently needs to end". (Al Jazeera) Law and crime Israel–Hamas war protests Antisemitism during the 2023 Israel–Hamas war Over 182,000 demonstrators march in cities across France, protesting the surge in antisemitic incidents since the outbreak of the war. (CNN) Code of Conduct for Justices of the Supreme Court of the United States For the first time in its history, the United States Supreme Court issues a code of conduct to govern its justices. (NBC) LGBT rights in Austria Justice Minister Alma Zadić announces the allocation of €33 million (around US$35 million) to compensate approximately 11,000 LGBT people affected by the country's historical discriminatory laws. (AFP via ABS-CBN News) Philippine drug war A Regional Trial Court grants bail to opposition leader and former Senator Leila de Lima on her last drug case, ending her six years in detention. (CNN) Politics and elections 2023 Polish parliamentary election Poland 2050 leader Szymon Hołownia is elected as Marshal of the Sejm. (AFP via Le Monde) November 2023 British cabinet reshuffle Prime Minister Rishi Sunak dismisses Suella Braverman as Home Secretary after Braverman condemned a pro-Palestinian protest in central London, replacing her with Foreign Secretary James Cleverly and appointing former Prime Minister David Cameron as the new Foreign Secretary. (AFP via NDTV) (CNN) Science and technology Censorship of TikTok Nepal bans TikTok, citing misuse of the app that "disturbs social harmony and disrupts family structures and social relations". (Al Jazeera) Sports 2023 Korean Series In baseball, the LG Twins defeat the KT Wiz to win the Korean Series in five games, capturing their third championship and their first since 1994. (The Korea Herald)

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(Ready) RD: Tengiz Kitovani

Article: Tengiz Kitovani (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty
Credits:

• Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of the leaders of the 1991–1992 Georgian coup d'état. I see that the article is in good condition. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:10, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support Appropriate depth of coverage, AGF on off-line references. Spencer^T•C 17:09, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Vivian Silver

Article: Vivian Silver (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/israel-gaza-vivian-silver-1.7027333 , https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/missing-peace-activist-confirmed-to-have-been-killed-in-oct-7-hamas-onslaught/
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Ploni (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Israeli peace activist, died on October 7 but not identified until recently ForsythiaJo (talk) 00:20, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

• oppose died over a month ago 5.44.170.53 (talk) 06:07, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

  see WP:ITNRD "Recently died" means their death was announced within the last seven days. Her death has just been announced so she qualifies for RD despite having been killed over a month ago. consider withdrawing your !oppose? JM (talk) 06:11, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support yes, she qualifies for RD. Article looks good enough. Terrible news. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:43, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support - cited enough and still qualifies for RD per JM2023 ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:51, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support Well-cited enough. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 15:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Well-cited, comprehensive article. ChaotıċEnby(talk) 15:48, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support. A well-referenced article; qualifies for RD per JM. Nsk92 (talk) 17:27, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above JM (talk) 17:29, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 07:20, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Ongoing: Myanmar civil war

Article: Myanmar civil war (2021–present) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Irrawady
Credits:

• Nominated by Chaotic Enby (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: On top of the currently blurbed Operation 1027, there is also the simultaneous Operation 1107, and the rapid changes and announcements of new operations are a better fit for an Ongoing nomination. ChaotıċEnby(talk) 22:25, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support once blurb rolls off. The simultaneous offensives and seeming slow collapse of junta forces has kicked up media coverage of the war enough. The Kip 22:39, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Wait I would wait until the ITN Blurb expires, then I think it would be good to add. TheTubaTitan (talk) 22:48, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Support after blurb rolls off - Per Kip, unless any significant major events happen before then PrecariousWorlds (talk) 22:51, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support at rolloff per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:36, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
• Supportonce blurb is off. The civil war has been receiving significant coverage for some time. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 18:37, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support once Blurb Rolls off Others make the point above. TheCorriynial (talk) 02:29, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support at roll of per The Kip

𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱 ☎️ 📄 13:12, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Support at rolloff per above Lukt64 (talk) 13:38, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

• While acknowledging that every item in Ongoing has some element of WP:CRYSTAL in it, I've got to ask - how long do we expect to keep this here? Myanmar's been in a civil war since 1948. —Cryptic 19:12, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

  There have been insurgencies since 1948, yes, but the civil war we're talking about is the fight against the military junta (& Tatmadaw) since 2021. Once the blurb rolls off and we can post it to Ongoing, we should use the same criteria as for other items there: if the fighting slows enough so that we don't have newsworthy updates, say, every week (like it was before Operation 1027 started), we can remove it from Ongoing. ChaotıċEnby(talk) 20:47, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support after roll off. Per all of the above. The civil war is once again getting significant coverage considering that soldiers from the junta army have either attempted to defect or have surrendering to the rebels. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 12:01, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: M. Russell Ballard

Article: M. Russell Ballard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KSL, Fox 13 Utah
Credits:

• Nominated by TheTubaTitan (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: President of the Quorum of the 12 Apostles in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints TheTubaTitan (talk) 17:53, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support After a cursory glance at the article, I think it looks fine. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 18:58, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support - sourced well enough ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 19:53, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support Article is of suficiant quality. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 21:08, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support Good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:46, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

  Support for all reasons listed above. User:Jgstokes (talk)—We can disagree without becoming disagreeable. 22:55, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Support Sufficiently news worthy passing 2601:681:0:470:DDB2:C459:6FEA:D73B (talk) 22:56, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Newsworthiness is irrelevant to RDs. Newsworthiness is only relevant to blurbs. Yet another reason why they should be split apart. JM (talk) 23:12, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

• Procedural support meets requirements This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:39, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 06:05, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Maryanne Trump Barry

Article: Maryanne Trump Barry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former U.S. federal judge (1983–1999, 1999–2011), and sister of Donald Trump. Davey2116 (talk) 15:55, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Support I did a quick scan and the article seems fine. Unlike most RD articles this one seems to be OK (because the proximity of the subject to a very controversial and divisive political figure makes it interesting to various editors probably) JM (talk) 16:34, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Support. Adequate for RD. Moscow Mule (talk) 17:41, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support good enough. AryKun (talk) 17:47, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support Good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:27, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Just a second Source 10 is taged as "unreliable source?". It would be good if it could be fixed before posting her article. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:17, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

  @Alsoriano97: Fixed. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:44, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks! Ready to go _-_Alsor (talk) 21:56, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

• S-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:09, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 06:02, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) UK cabinet reshuffle

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Articles: Sunak ministry (talk · history · tag) and November 2023 British cabinet reshuffle (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former UK PM David Cameron (pictured) returns as Foreign Secretary as Rishi Sunak reshuffles his cabinet. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNBC, DW, France24, NYT, Washington Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Alextheconservative (talk · give credit) and Eilidhmax (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Big news as Sunak re-aligns and reshuffles his cabinet. The return of Cameron seems quite a surprising and significant development. As mentioned below, "a week is a long time in politics". Andrew🐉(talk) 13:30, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support Biggest news out of british politics since the king's coronation early this year Lukt64 (talk) 14:09, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose due to it not being important enough. It's interesting that Sunak has sacked Braverman, moved Cleverly & brought Cameron - who hasn't been an MP for over 7 y - back into the cabinet. However, it doesn't have much of an effect & there's no indication of significant policy changes as a result. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 14:45, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support First time a former PM has served in cabinet since Douglas-Home Alextheconservative (talk) 14:34, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose a cabinet reshuffle? Seriously? This apparently last happened less than a year ago, so this is definitely not notable enough. Just the fact that the Tories are currently well past scraping the bottom of the barrel for whoever they can shove into a ministerial post does not make this worth posting. AryKun (talk) 14:48, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose We do not post US cabinet level firings and we are not posting this. Cabinet reshuffles are one of the most common things out there (we have already had 5! in the last two years in the UK alone the article tells me); that a former UK PM has now become a minister (not the first time either) is not the main story and should not take away from the routineness of it. If David Cameron's appointment is what this is nom is based on, it should be a separate ITN nom, though I doubt the "comeback" (WP:CRYSTALBALL) of a former top dog would be notable enough. Gotitbro (talk) 14:58, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose not an infrequent event in the current government. Polyamorph (talk) 14:59, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose the joke that made no one laugh. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:52, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Amusing, but perhaps more suited for DYK. Davey2116 (talk) 15:58, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Oppose Cabinet reshuffles are not ITN-worthy. ChaotıċEnby(talk) 16:24, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Oppose although interesting to see British politicians continue to act like they're all in The Thick of It, a cabinet reshuffle is not significant, and a former head of government who quit way back in 2016 taking a new, different, lesser job in 2023 is not significant. JM (talk) 16:37, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support - don't understand some of the opposes here. Unlike most of the rubbish that gets featured on ITN, this is historic, and most importanly, encyclopaedic - Cameron coming back, Braverman being sacked again and Sunak gearing up for an election will shape the next decade of British politics if this delivers a Labour win. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 17:01, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

  If? Aaron Liu (talk) 17:37, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

  Isn't the Labour win a foregone conclusion? ITN isn't a UK news ticker and shouldn't become one just because the Tories keep finding dumber ways to create news. AryKun (talk) 17:37, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

  will shape the next decade of British politics if this delivers a Labour win.

  WP:CRYSTAL. If we’re posting this because of what it might do, now that’s rubbish. The Kip 18:00, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Major changes at two of the Great Offices of State. And because blue man drives car faster than anyone else has been up there getting free advertising for five days. Moscow Mule (talk) 17:18, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

  Just because Brits call them the Great Offices doesn't make them great. Every country has the exact same offices and replaces the people occupying them frequently; what makes the UK doing this in any way notable and not just DYK trivia? AryKun (talk) 17:40, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

  Most people in the UK could not give a flying fig about this "news". Let alone the rest of the world. Polyamorph (talk) 18:06, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Domestic level politics and not a significant enough event to merit ITN blurbing - cabinet shuffles are not an unusual event. I often feel that accusations of “pro-American/British bias” on ITN are badly exaggerated, but posting this would indeed be a prime example of said bias - we would almost certainly never consider posting the same for any other country. The Kip 17:58, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose This is the seventh new foreign secretary and seventh new home secretary since Brexit, and the second time in just over a year that the same woman has left in controversy. Yes Cameron is recognisable, but were John Kerry and Hillary Clinton posted as recognisable new secretaries? This would not be even suggested for posting if it was in a non-Anglophone country of similar population and influence such as France or Germany, or probably even if it were in India or China Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:07, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose The only interesting thing about this is the Government being so devoid of actual talent that it needed to bring back Cameron over 349 other MPs, I bet they are really happy. Oh, and a minister for anti-wokeness. You couldn't make it up. Actually, I'm making it sound newsworthy. It isn't. Black Kite (talk) 18:48, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Post-Closing Support - It seems strange that for a section literally called 'In The News' we don't seem to cover what is actually in the news often. We're not a UK Politics ticker, instead we have become a 'Tragic Disasters and Sports' ticker. Can anyone please tell me with a straight face that the Japan Baseball Series is more notable and generated more coverage than this? See you next week for the Uzbekistan Darts Championship or whatever we post next instead of something actually useful to the general reader PrecariousWorlds (talk) 22:48, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

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November 12

Portal:Current events/2023 November 12

November 12, 2023 (2023-11-12) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Allied Democratic Forces insurgency Thirty-three people are killed as Allied Democratic Forces gunmen carries out a mass execution of civilians at the Virunga National Park in North Kivu, Democratic Republic of Congo. (AP) 2023 attacks on U.S. bases in Iraq and Syria The United States launches airstrikes on facilities associated with Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps in eastern Syria in response to rocket attacks on its military bases. (CNN) (Reuters) 2023 Israel–Hamas war South African Foreign Minister Naledi Pandor urges the International Criminal Court to issue an arrest warrant for Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, calling on the prosecutor to investigate war crimes and crimes against humanity, and genocide. (News 24) (Sunday Times (South Africa)) The UN Development Programme office in Gaza is shelled, with reports of a significant number of deaths and injuries. Office chief Achim Steiner says that "civilians, civilian infrastructure and the inviolability of UN facilities must be always protected". (Dawn) The United Nations says that several hospitals in Gaza have been directly hit, and that "hospitals are explicitly entitled to specific protection under international humanitarian law", as Israel intensifies its shelling and ground attacks around hospitals in Gaza City and northern Gaza. (OCHA) (Business Standard) The cardiac ward of the Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, is destroyed by Israel's ground offensive and the hospital's intensive care unit is severely damaged by Israeli army bombing. The World Health Organization (WHO) says that there are reports that people who fled the hospital "have been shot at, wounded and even killed" and calls for a humanitarian ceasefire, saying that they are concerned about the safety of workers and patients who remain inside the hospital. The WHO also says that it has lost communication with its contacts inside the hospital. (The Journal) (WHO) (Al Jazeera) (Al Jazeera 2) Australian Foreign Minister Penny Wong calls on Israel to stop its attacks on hospitals, expressing concern about the number of civilian deaths from Israel's assault on Gaza, saying that "international humanitarian law does require the protection of hospitals, of patients and of medical staff". (Sydney Morning Herald) Palestinian Minister of Health Mai al-Kaila says that Israeli forces "are not evacuating people from hospitals; instead, they are forcibly evicting the wounded and patients onto the streets, leaving them to face inevitable death". (Al Jazeera) UNICEF spokesperson Toby Fricker has said the situation inside hospitals across the Gaza Strip is a tragedy, noting how premature babies inside Al-Shifa Hospital are struggling to stay alive due to the lack of electricity and water. (Al Jazeera) Thirteen people are killed and many others are injured in an attack on a residential building in eastern Khan Younis. (Anadolu Agency) More than 11,100 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza since the war began with Israeli forces currently intensifying their raids in the West Bank with the number of raids increasing to about 40 per day in the past week. (Al Jazeera) The Palestine Red Crescent Society announces that the Al-Quds Hospital in Gaza City is no longer operational due to a lack of fuel and a power outage. (Anadolu Agency) Kivu conflict At least six people are killed and nine others are injured by gunfire between soldiers and pro-government militiamen near Goma, North Kivu, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (AFP via VOA) War in Sudan Battle of Geneina The death toll from clashes in Geneina increases to 1,300 people, with more than 2,000 injured. The UNHCR also confirms that around 8,000 people have fled to Chad from Geneina in the past week. (Al Jazeera) (ABC News) Battle of Khartoum Heavy fighting is reported in Jabal Awliya, south of Khartoum, as the Rapid Support Forces attempt to capture the Jebel Aulia Dam. (Sudan Tribune) Disasters and incidents 2023 Uttarakhand tunnel collapse An under-construction tunnel collapses in Uttarakhand, India, trapping at least 40 construction workers under the debris. (AFP via Dawn) Five U.S. service members are killed in a helicopter crash in the Eastern Mediterranean during a routine training exercise. (BBC News) Six people are killed in a fire at a bungalow in Hounslow, West London, United Kingdom. The fire is believed to have started during Diwali celebrations which led to nearby trees catching on fire. (The Independent) International relations 2021–2023 North Korean missile tests The defense ministers of Japan, South Korea, and the United States agree to initiate a real-time data sharing mechanism to monitor North Korea's missile tests. (AFP via The Manila Times) International reactions to the 2023 Israel–Hamas war The Biden administration contacts Israeli officials for clarification over comments Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu made stating that Israel will not agree to give up security control of Gaza, after US Secretary of State Antony Blinken suggested that the Palestinian Authority should take over control of Gaza once the conflict is over. (Al Jazeera) Médecins Sans Frontières says that Gaza hospitals "will become a morgue if action isn't taken right now" as "electricity in a hospital is a lifeline and we know without it patients die". They also called for the "bloodshed" to end "immediately with a ceasefire or at the bare minimum a medical evacuation of patients". (Al Jazeera) Law and crime 2023 Israel–Hamas war protests Marches calling for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza are held in cities around the world. (Al Jazeera) Politics and elections 2024 United States presidential election Tim Scott 2024 presidential campaign U.S. Senator Tim Scott suspends his campaign for the Republican nomination. (AP) Hundreds of thousands march in Spain to protest Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez's law granting judicial amnesties in exchange for political support to retain power. (New York Times) Sports 2023 African Football League In association football, Mamelodi Sundowns F.C. wins the inaugural African Football League after they defeat Wydad AC in the final. (beIN Sports) 2023 Taiwan Series In baseball, the Wei Chuan Dragons defeat the Rakuten Monkeys to win the Taiwan Series in seven games, capturing their fifth championship and their first since reforming as a team in 2019. (Taipei Times)

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(NEW) India tunnel collapse

Article: 2023 Uttarakhand tunnel collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An underground tunnel in Uttarakhand, India collapses, trapping 40 workers. (Post)
News source(s): [16][17]
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)
• Created by DSP2092 (talk · give credit)

Yes, the original incident happened several days ago, but it was not nominated/posted. Seems to be garnering a lot of worldwide coverage, especially around the ongoing rescue efforts. Natg 19 (talk) 21:53, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

• Comment – the article could do with an expansion. Schwede66 22:37, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose The article is still little more than a stub. Nigej (talk) 17:04, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) First successful eye transplantation

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Article: Eye transplantation (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the United States, surgeons at the NYU Langone Health have announced the first successful eye transplantation. (Post)
News source(s): WaPo - BBC - Smithsonian - France24 - The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Harjk (talk · give credit)
• Updated by No Swan So Fine (talk · give credit), Little pob (talk · give credit), WhatamIdoing (talk · give credit), Maxim Masiutin (talk · give credit) and Atakhanli (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: NYU surgeons have just completed the first eye transplant in a watershed moment for the sciences. The article is in an infantile state, however, it definitely meets the last two points of WP:ITNPURPOSE and needs to be highlighted. — Knightoftheswords 19:48, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support in principle once the article is brought up to front page standard, clearly a huge scientific achievement and it was in the news all over This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:12, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support Having a successful eye transplant is a notable event in medical and scientific history. Rager7 (talk) 20:22, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose for now due to quality of article but support on notability. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 20:42, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose for now Due to quality issues, but support in principle due to this being a notable event in medicine. Centuries123 (talk) 21:15, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Oppose on the basis that this was initially misleading. It isn't as notable if it is only cosmetic and the eye itself doesn't function. Centuries123 (talk) 18:34, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality, support on notability per above. Genuinely significant medical breakthrough. The Kip 21:55, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
  • The more I read about it, the more it seems this is a misleading story; it's uncertain whether the patient will actually regain sight in the eye, making this effectively an advancement in cosmetic surgery rather than the breakthrough I initially believed it was. As such, switching vote to oppose. The Kip 05:33, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose if nothing else but on quality. Lot of work still needed with the article. But I will say, if this is indeed a "watershed" moment in medicine, the article should make this clear. But from a surface-level perspective, the patient in question can't see with the new eye. I think this story becomes more more notable if that happens. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:59, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose, cosmetic surgery, being blown out of proportion by the media, the eye cannot see. Stephen 22:35, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
• Needs work It seems that that it was more of a face transplant. The eye seems mainly cosmetic and the chances of vision in it seem uncertain and small. And it can't said to be successful until some time has passed to check for rejection and/or recovery. Also note that eye transplants have been done in other creatures before and so we'd need to make it clear that this is for humans, if claiming a first. See here for some history. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:41, 12 November 2023 (UTC) (edit conflict)

• Weak support. The article definitely needs improvement, but this is certainly a notable event. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:28, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. its a face transplant with a side of hype. The eye will not be able to see; it's shameful that the doctors hyped this lie to the uneducated dolts in the lay media. Abductive (reasoning) 05:28, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose misleading; the transplanted eye is not a functional organ; it's an advancement in face transplantion rather than a revolution in opthalmology. JM (talk) 05:30, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose I agree with JM2023, very misleading. According to the article linked, the recipient Aaron James hadn't even regained sight in that eye and the optic nerve isn't even communicating with his brain. Sure, it's an advancement in face transplantation just like JM2023 pointed out, but in no way is this really revolutionary. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:26, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose assuming the eye is non-functional, which makes it a cosmetic advancement rather than a functional one. ChaotıċEnby(talk) 16:23, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

  Just a reminder that Human eye#Movement is also a function. Certainly not the most impressive or best-known thing they do. But definitely mechanical and structural, too. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:20, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

  Are eye muscles functional parts of eyes? When people talk about eye function they mean vision. Do lungs count as functional if they're moving due to the diaphragm and intercostal muscles even if they're not exchanging gases? JM (talk) 20:25, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

  Partially functional, yeah (or dysfunctional, in pessimistic terms). InedibleHulk (talk) 20:34, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

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November 11

Portal:Current events/2023 November 11

November 11, 2023 (2023-11-11) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Siege of Gaza City The director of the Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City says that the medical complex is "completely cut off", with any "moving person targeted" by Israeli forces. Médecins Sans Frontières confirms reports that people are being shot at as they try to exit the hospital. Palestinian health minister Mai al-Kaila says that Israeli forces have also shelled the hospital with white phosphorus munitions which are banned under international law. (Al Jazeera) (Al Jazeera 2) (Al Jazeera 3) Israeli tanks and snipers fire at the Al-Quds Hospital in Gaza City from within twenty meters, where around 14,000 displaced people are sheltering in a state of "extreme panic and fear", according to the Palestinian Red Crescent. (ABC News) The UN Humanitarian Affairs Office reports that at least 45 Palestinians have been displaced in the West Bank following Israeli punitive demolitions. (OCHA) (Al Jazeera) Digital rights organization Access Now says that shutdowns affecting internet access in the Gaza Strip are providing "cover for human rights atrocities", which are being worsened by Israel's control over internet access. (Al Jazeera) The Norwegian Refugee Council condemns Israeli attacks on Gaza hospitals, calling for an urgent ceasefire and for the protection of medical staff, saying that "it is an affront to wage war around and on hospitals". (Al Jazeera) The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs says that the transfer of solid waste to landfills has stopped across the Gaza Strip because of insecurity and a shortage of fuel. The World Health Organization reports that the spread of infectious diseases including diarrhea and chickenpox are increasing rapidly, with medical organizations warning of the risk of a possible cholera epidemic. (Al Jazeera) At least 11,078 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza. The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs says that 168 Palestinians, including 46 children, have been killed by Israeli forces in the West Bank. Another eight people, including one child, were killed by Israeli settlers in East Jerusalem. (Al Jazeera) Myanmar civil war Operation 1027 A Myanmar Air Force fighter jet crashes in Kayah State near the border with Thailand. The Karenni Nationalities Defence Force claims responsibility for shooting it down, however the Tatmadaw claims the crash occurred due to a technical problem. (Reuters) Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure Russia launches its first missile attacks against Kyiv in 52 days. Most of the ballistic missiles are intercepted by Ukrainian air defences. No casualties are reported. (Reuters) Ukraine–NATO relations Former NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen puts forward a proposal for Ukraine to join the military alliance but without the territories occupied by Russia. (The Guardian) War in Sudan Battle of Khartoum The Shambat Bridge, which connects Omdurman and Khartoum North, is destroyed amid intense fighting in the capital Khartoum. Both sides blame each other for the destruction of the bridge. (Sudan Tribune) Arts and culture Pope Francis removes Bishop Joseph Strickland of the Diocese of Tyler in Texas, United States, due to his criticism of the Catholic Church's progressive views under Francis. Strickland is temporarily replaced by Bishop Joe S. Vásquez of the Diocese of Austin. The decision comes after Strickland declined to resign when asked to do so. (AP) Business and economy Around 150 garment factories in Ashulia and Gazipur, Bangladesh, close indefinitely after violent protests demanding higher minimum wages result in police filing charges against 11,000 workers and three more killed. (AFP via France 24) Disasters and incidents 2023–2024 Sundhnúkur eruptions The Blue Lagoon is closed by Icelandic authorities as a volcanic eruption on the Reykjanes Peninsula is expected in the "coming hours". (The Independent) The town of Grindavík is evacuated due to potential magma intrusion beneath the town. (Iceland Monitor) Health and environment Mexican officials impose severe, months long cuts to Mexico City’s water supply, acting just a month after initial restrictions were ordered as drought dries the city's reservoirs. (AP) International relations International reactions to the Israel–Hamas war The Arab-Islamic emergency summit in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, releases a statement calling for an end to the siege of Gaza, demanding that aid be allowed to enter Gaza, and calling for a cessation of arms exports to Israel. The statement also says that Israel's war should not be described as "self-defence" and condemned Israeli aggression in Gaza and the West Bank. (Al Jazeera) Emir of Qatar Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani condemns the international community for remaining silent on the suffering of Palestinian civilians while allowing Israel to violate international law. (Al Jazeera) Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi says that the "policies of collective punishment" in Gaza are unacceptable and "cannot be justified by self-defence or any other claims". (Al Jazeera) Philippe Lazzarini, the head of the UNRWA, calls on Arab countries to take stronger action to protect civilians in Gaza and to exercise pressure to increase the flow of humanitarian aid into Gaza, including through the opening of additional border crossings. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime Israel–Hamas war protests Hundreds of thousands of people gather in Central London to march in solidarity with Palestine. (Al Jazeera) Misinformation in the Israel–Hamas war HonestReporting, an Israel-based media watchdog, admits that the group had no evidence to back up their claims that some journalists were accomplices in the 2023 Hamas attack on Israel. (Al Jazeera) Spanish police arrest 121 people on charges related to child pornography, seizing nearly 500 terabytes of material. (AFP via NST)

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RD: Roman Čechmánek

Article: Roman Čechmánek (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NHL, IIHF
Credits:

• Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 514Charlie (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Czech former NHL goaltender. Gone way too young. Article needs a lot of work. The Kip 17:01, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose for now Work is needed in citations, merging the bulleted lists into prose, and proofreading the prose (I noticed "an embarrassing 8–0 loss" as one phrase to fix) – Muboshgu (talk) 00:06, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• Comments: He was already an established goalie in the Czech Republic when he joined the NHL at the age of 29 in 2000. With so many lines of pre-2000 stats in the stats table on this wikipage, having just a single sentence in the prose to summarize his pre-NHL career does not seem to be adequate coverage. The medal table also indicated that he won two medals representing his country as a junior, but his junior career was not in the prose either. --PFHLai (talk) 06:37, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

RD: Raphael Dwamena

Article: Raphael Dwamena (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.dw.com/en/ghana-footballer-raphael-dwamena-dies-after-on-field-collapse/a-67376776
Credits:

• Updated by MSport1005 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Ghanaian professional footballer. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 12:27, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Orange tag that needs to be addressed. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:28, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• A single-sentence lead? Four {cn} tags? Please beef up the intro and add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 06:06, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

  do people just nominate every dead bluelink now? many RDs proposed are nowhere near sufficient quality for ITN/RD posting. JM (talk) 06:24, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

  Some noms are meant to bring attention to fellow editors that certain wikibios need work and have potential for use on RD. It's okay. Better than missing out candidates. --PFHLai (talk) 06:43, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

RD: Muhammad Azam Khan (civil servant)

Article: Muhammad Azam Khan (civil servant) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dawn, Tribune
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Muzzzmuzzmuzzz (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Ainty Painty (talk) 07:13, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: Several sections in the article needs sources. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 09:03, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Oppose: Two entire paragraphs including a section are unsourced 67.80.40.19 (talk) 22:45, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose One inline-when tag and two citation-needed tags. Otherwise it looks okay, could absolutely use more sources though. TwistedAxe [contact] 12:30, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
• The entire start-class wikibio has merely 5 footnotes? Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 06:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) Iceland earthquakes

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Article: 2023 Iceland earthquakes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): Iceland Meteorological Office The Guardian
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Osunpokeh (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Article needs substantial further work before ready so I recommend waiting, however the IMO has reported thata volcanic eruption is likely in next few days. [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 06:27, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose without lack of any significant deaths or damage. 5.x quakes are usually not that devestating. --Masem (t) 07:09, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
• Wait With the town of Grindavik under evacuation due to the heightened unrest, I'd say this bears watching. UPDATE: A "State of Emergency" has been declared in Iceland. Jusdafax (talk) 08:52, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose no one died and there's barely any damage. The predicted eruption will be more significant, we'll see just how significant if the time comes. JM (talk) 10:10, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
• Question: This regards the imminent eruption of Fagradalsfjall right? Would the article (and this ITN point) be better suited for it, if it was to happen? Ornithoptera (talk) 10:38, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

  It does seem like if there's an ITN story here, it would be the eruption which would be accompanied by quakes. Masem (t) 14:38, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

• Wait per above. No major event has happened (yet), but one is expected in the very near future. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:24, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose by WP:CRYSTAL for the eruption and by the lack of any significant impact for the earthquakes. ChaotıċEnby(talk) 16:16, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Limited known impacts and WP:CRYSTAL applies for the unknown. The Kip 03:33, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose since the earthquakes are not major, and the article is not high-quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 05:37, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

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(Posted) Ongoing: War in Sudan

Article: War in Sudan (2023) (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/09/sudan-civil-war-humanitarian-crisis/
Credits:

• Nominated by Lukt64 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The war seems to be massively escalating again, with the RSF on the verge of capturing Darfur and an ongoing genocide in the same region, I believe this needs to be added back. Lukt64 (talk) 01:43, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support The Sudan war continues to have far reaching consequences, so it deserves this place. DaddySpaghetti (talk) 02:50, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support reinstating the "Ongoing" item at a minimum. I'd even support blurbing Ardamata massacre, if the article were sufficiently expanded, as it's a significant event, even hypothetically assuming the lower estimates of the death count are right. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 04:59, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:36, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support, and I would gladly encourage a blurb mentioning the recent events (and the ongoing genocide if possible) once the relevant article gets expanded. ChaotıċEnby(talk) 16:17, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support and I agree that Ardamata massacre should be blurbed if the article becomes long enough. It's difficult to find many people who are interested in this war. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
• Comment I would recommend that we start with a blurb over the Darfur incident, and then re-assess whether there's enough media coverage to keep the war in ongoing. This is only judging by what I am seeing at Google News, that Darfur activity spiking the coverage for now, but I don't immediately see that the overall war has gained near-daily news coverage prior to that. --Masem (t) 18:05, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Since the 2023 Israel–Hamas war began, the media & public have become much less interested in all the other current wars, so none of them are likely to receive major coverage daily for weeks. Does the current increase in violence mean that there's a Second Battle of Geneina this month? Jim 2 Michael (talk) 20:19, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

The new escalation in Geneina is the 2023 Darfur genocide. Also, just because theres no major media coverage doesnt mean its not a big deal. Thats like saying that the Myanmar War isnt a big deal. It is. Lukt64 (talk) 20:28, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't think it's mostly about the war in Gaza, but more because the other wars (in Sudan, Myanmar, Ukraine and Ethiopia) had mostly stalled at that moment, and recent developments in Sudan and Myanmar will likely impact their respective media coverage. ChaotıċEnby(talk) 02:42, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

I agree that the wars in Myanmar & Sudan are major, but they have never received anything like the level of international media coverage or public interest that Israel-Hamas does. The first two receive no demonstrations, whereas the latter receives hundreds. Ardamata massacre & 2023 Darfur genocide are far too short to post. Jim 2 Michael (talk) 23:07, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Support, but I would put the link to the Battle of Geneina article instead. Subaru2000 (talk) 14:14, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

In ongoing, a battle by itself is unimportant. Lukt64 (talk) 16:21, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Ok! But just saying that we should atleast list it somewhere on the box, such as on the blurb. Because the Masalit genocide in Darfur in centered around the whole battle. Subaru2000 (talk) 17:04, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Comment : surprised that there isnt any opposes Lukt64 (talk) 19:22, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support Although this may be a little stale, the renewed fighting is certainly noteworthy and is worthy of Ongoing Editor 5426387 (talk) 19:41, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - Just because a new theatre of a war opens doesn't automatically mean notability. If this makes headlines, then we should post a blurb. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:16, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support Obviously significant even if not headline news. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 21:16, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:54, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

  im making a user protected request due to some dummy doing some stuff Lukt64 (talk) 00:01, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

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