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July 18
July 18, 2021
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Armed conflicts and attacks
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July 17
July 17, 2021
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RD: Dolores Claman
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC,
Credits:
- Nominated by NorthernFalcon (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Composer of Canada's unofficial second national anthem, the Hockey Night in Canada theme song. (That probably sounds like a joke to non-Canadians, but it isn't a joke; it's in her obit.) Also composed the province of Ontario's unofficial anthem. Article was already in decent shape before her death, and has been updated; should meet RD requirements. Death announced on this date. NorthernFalcon (talk) 05:12, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support – article is well-referenced; now meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN after my edits. —Bloom6132 (talk) 05:17, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Christoph Strasser becomes the first person to cycle more than 1000 km in 24 hours
Blurb: Christoph Strasser becomes the first person to cycle more than 1000 km in 24 hours (Post)
News source(s): ORF
Credits:
- Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Need to check if this record is more general, it could be that no person has ever traveled more than 1000 km in 24 hours using any unassisted method (no forms of mechanical or natural propulsion such as engines or wind allowed) before. Count Iblis (talk) 04:46, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment That is one of the worst articles I have ever seen. It's not getting posted in this state. Mlb96 (talk) 07:59, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality article needs massive sourcing improvement. Also, it's not clear from the article who's actually ratifying that this is a record (Guiness World Records, UCI)? Joseph2302 (talk) 08:09, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality, also, this seems a rather niche record. --Tone 08:14, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Most racing sports track a 24-hour distance record. Admittedly, some are better-known than others. --Carnildo (talk) 08:39, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Titane wins Palme d'Or
Blurb: At the Cannes Film Festival, French-Belgian Titane wins the Palme d'Or. (Post)
News source(s): [1], [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by Grammar SWAT認字特警 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Cinemacriterion (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Cinemacriterion (talk · give credit) and Joliv464 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: It's Palme d'Or Grammar SWAT認字特警 (talk) 02:53, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose for now, barely more than a stub. Yes it's a new film, but surely there's more that can be said about it. And is it possible to add a plot paragraph? Joseph2302 (talk) 08:07, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
July 16
July 16, 2021
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RD: Biz Markie
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
– Muboshgu (talk) 00:22, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support: good article, lots of references, cannot see any problems at first glance. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:11, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – five paragraphs and discography section unsourced. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:31, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support: culturally significant especially considering his collaborations with Beastie Boys. CaffeinAddict (talk) 23:18, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose lots more citations needed, particularly the whole Discography section. As this is an RD nomination, how "important" they are isn't relevant, article quality is the only thing that determines whether this goes on the front page. And the article quality is currently insufficient. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:12, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
RD: Harry M. Rosenfeld
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post; Associated Press
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 23:46, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: José Mª Gay de Liébana
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Periódico
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Spanish popular economist. Article is ready. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 15:11, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support – added ISBN for the only uncited work. Apart from that, article is well-referenced; meets minimum ITN requirements. —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:39, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Per above. Fully sourced. Enough for a RD.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 23:40, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 05:23, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Danish Siddiqui
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, Washington Post, CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by 2405:201:7000:AB4C:3366:CC46:922A:D87 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Pulitzer Prize-winning Reuters photojournalist covering the Afgan war 2405:201:7000:AB4C:3366:CC46:922A:D87 (talk) 11:44, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose It's a little short; could do with some expansion.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:30, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support everything in the article is cited. NorthernFalcon (talk) 21:44, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Looks good. Sherenk1 (talk) 11:00, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment good enough for RD, have marked as ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:01, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 17:18, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Five people arrested over racist abuse of English footballers
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Five people are arrested over racist abuse of English footballers after UEFA Euro 2020 Final. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Article updated
- Unfortunately it's not even a comma, much less a conclusion. Leaky caldron (talk) 08:40, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose we don't post arrests, much less of common criminals who are the scum of the earth. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:01, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose good that action is being taken, but we don't post arrests, as it violates WP:BLPCRIME. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:04, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Nothing against posting scum, if warranted. An arrest is not even a charge, let alone a conviction. Not even an Oxford comma, alas. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:06, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
July 15
July 15, 2021
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RD: Gira Sarabhai
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Nizil Shah (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Strattonsmith (talk · give credit) and Kill joyarchivist (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Might require some copyediting. Nizil (talk) 06:57, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Jean Kraft
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Opera News
Credits:
- Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 4meter4 (talk · give credit) and Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Mezzo-soprano with almost 800 performances at the Metropolitan Opera, - detailed article by creator, little work updating. There may be more obits, but as her career ended a while ago, I expect no major changes. Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:21, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Fully sourced. Good to go.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 23:43, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 01:37, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
RD: Hugo F. Sonnenschein
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Sun-Times; University of Chicago
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 17:16, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks fine. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment The infobox mentions affiliations with various institutions besides Purdue U and U of Chicago, and also shows a list of former students. Should these be mentioned in the prose with refs, please? Many things must have happened between his PhD in 1964 and his Provost job at Princeton in 1988. --PFHLai (talk) 02:05, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- @PFHLai: done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:38, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Ebrahim Desai
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Baseerat Urdu]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by TheAafi (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article updated. Subject was a well-known Mufti. There's however a lack of sources but everything is well-cited.─ The Aafī (talk) 03:06, 16 July 2021 (UTC) ─ The Aafī (talk) 03:06, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - No major citing flaws. Good to go.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 03:51, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support, looks fine. - Owais Talk 05:35, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 02:30, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
RD/Blurb: Peter R. de Vries
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Dutch investigative journalist Peter R. de Vries (pictured) dies at the age of 64, nine days after being shot in the head in Amsterdam. (Post)
News source(s): NU, NU (profile), NOS, AD SkyNews Reuters Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by SportsOlympic (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: After he has been shot it had been national news since. Even the King commented with: "This is an attack on journalism and an attack on the Rechtsstaat (rule of law)". (I doubt for a nomination for "ITN candidate", but this information is not yet mentioned in the article, and therefore not good enough for ITN Candidate in my opinion.) SportsOlympic (talk) 12:25, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support The article is cited well enough for RD purposes. rawmustard (talk) 13:19, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment The page Murder of Peter R. de Vries has been created. SportsOlympic (talk) 13:53, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Why is a separate article needed? All that's in that can go into the biographic article. --Masem (t) 14:04, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Masem: That's not a discussion for here, it's just a start of an article that will be expanded. The assassination will have a long aftermath and will have an impact on crime in the Netherlands, the security of people and the general rule of law. As the article already mention, it has a large political impact that should have its own article. Another examples: Murder of Derk Wiersum / Kidnapping of Freddy Heineken. SportsOlympic (talk) 14:16, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- That's all WP:CRYSTAL, however, and if at such a time that coverage of the post-death overwhelms the bio, then it could be expanded. This could also be a simple open/closed court case given the suspects were quickly caught. It impacts this nomination since the story about his death should be covered in depth on the bio page. --Masem (t) 14:21, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Masem: That's not a discussion for here, it's just a start of an article that will be expanded. The assassination will have a long aftermath and will have an impact on crime in the Netherlands, the security of people and the general rule of law. As the article already mention, it has a large political impact that should have its own article. Another examples: Murder of Derk Wiersum / Kidnapping of Freddy Heineken. SportsOlympic (talk) 14:16, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Why is a separate article needed? All that's in that can go into the biographic article. --Masem (t) 14:04, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support The death of Peter R. de Vries is cited by numerous international news agencies as top story. --TheDutchViewer (talk) 14:13, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- I would actually support a blurb although the assassination article linked to above is not ready for main page right now. -- KTC (talk) 14:30, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb Given the impact in the Netherlands and elsewhere - Simeon (talk) 14:54, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose RD, support blurb only. This is why blurbs exist, he did not pass away quietly in his sleep, there is a story here that needs additional elaboration, and this is the type of situation, where the blurb is needed to provide additional context for the death. Agnostic on which article to highlight, though his biography article is in better condition overall than the one on his murder. --Jayron32 15:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb The story here is the murder so we should go with a blurb once the article documenting it is improved.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:04, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb, pending expansion Sure, de Vries could get RD. But the story is the murder, and is being covered as such in the news (rather than obits, coverage is crime-focused) - wait for the Murder of Peter R. de Vries article to be fully fleshed-out (there will be much more crime and investigation detail to go there than is really due at the de Vries article). And I would probably agree with Jayron that posting him to RD before then, would make it seem less of a news story when blurb posted, so would consider not doing that. Kingsif (talk) 18:18, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- The murder does not need to be a separate page at the time, that's the thing. They caught the suspects, so there's almost no investigation needed. At the present time, it is better if the stuff in the murder article was merged into the bio article so that we're not waiting on the murder article to be developed to post. At a future point, if there's a lot of issues related to the trial of these suspects or other aftermath, then a separate article may be warranted, but this wasn't like a crime that the police are still trying to figure out who pulled it off or looking for a known suspect. --Masem (t) 18:22, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- That is your opinion. This is not the place to start this discussion. SportsOlympic (talk) 19:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- The murder does not need to be a separate page at the time, that's the thing. They caught the suspects, so there's almost no investigation needed. At the present time, it is better if the stuff in the murder article was merged into the bio article so that we're not waiting on the murder article to be developed to post. At a future point, if there's a lot of issues related to the trial of these suspects or other aftermath, then a separate article may be warranted, but this wasn't like a crime that the police are still trying to figure out who pulled it off or looking for a known suspect. --Masem (t) 18:22, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb in principle if and only if Murder of Peter R. de Vries actually adds some decent content e.g. some background or details about what actually happened. Right now, it's just a list of reactions, not much about the event itself. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- BLPCRIME We should be careful about attaching these untried suspects to an unproven "murder" so soon in Wikivoice, regardless of whether we will. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:53, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I have moved the page to Killing of Peter R. de Vries for this exact reason. Also, I changed the link in the proposed blurb to the new link (I'm unsure if this is appropriate etiquette) --Gimmethegepgun (talk) 19:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb As it is a notable person getting murdered, where the murder has its own article.Jackattack1597 (talk) 22:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb in principle, oppose on quality Supporting blurb death under the "death itself is the story" principle. Oppose on quality because both articles have significant uncited sections. NorthernFalcon (talk) 23:45, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose There are several tags in both articles. Hanamanteo (talk) 00:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, Support RD. I don't think this is worthy of a blurb, frankly. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 00:46, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Conditional support - I would support a blurb, but none of the articles are ready. de Vries article is not even ready for a RD.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 04:01, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Blurb Major attack on journalism. Killed in notable event, had a notable career. Isn't subject to Thatcher/Mandela standard due to circumstances of death and its implications. DrewieStewie (talk) 07:30, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose either quantity of CNs and dead links is too high to post now. Neutral on blurb once those get cleaned up. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:25, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb Once article fixes its cn tags. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 11:53, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose – With my background, I was very interested in this story, and in the career of Mr. de Vries. However, I hadn't heard of him before he was killed – probably because I'm not European, and because AFAIK his work was confined to one country. So I'm a bit dubious about blurb-level significance in this instance. – Sca (talk) 19:09, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support both Notable, unusual event covered in international newspapers, thus significant enough. I don't see any major issues which would be enough to disqualify this from consideration (the few cn tags can likely be fixed - none of them seem to be for any contentious matter, afaics). RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 04:46, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb once issues sorted. Having said that, "being shot in the head" sounds almost prurient in this context - "is assassinated" would be fine. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:17, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Two of three paragraphs in Killing of Peter R. de Vries#Background have no footnotes at all. Please address the {cn} tags. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 17:33, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- This is partially why the killing as a separate article makes no sense at this time. The only new material in that is the Reactions section, the rest is basically covered in the bio article. Maybe in the future, a separate article might be warranted if the trial of those suspect is a media circus, but right now, separating the killing event from the bio when it was such an "open and shut" case is not helping towards posting. --Masem (t) 17:36, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Peter R. de Vries#Bibliography needs more refs, please. The section on the Kidnapping of Freddy Heineken, too. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 17:49, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) 2021 European floods
Blurb: At least 48 people have died and many more are missing following severe floods in Germany. (Post)
Alternative blurb: At least 48 people have died and many more are missing following severe floods across western Europe.
News source(s): BBC, AP, Guardian, Reuters, dpa
Credits:
- Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Maxime12346 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Joseywales1961 (talk · give credit), Keepcalmandexplore (talk · give credit) and Joseph2302 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Still a stub. Sherenk1 (talk) 11:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
If accepted, this should include other countries as well: e.g. in Belgium there are at least 6 dead[3] and probably more to come sadly. Fram (talk) 11:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Widely covered. Developing. – Sca (talk) 12:09, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Oppose for now. Too stubby for the main page.If this is expanded sufficiently, with proper depth of coverage and properly referenced, consider this a support vote. --Jayron32 12:12, 15 July 2021 (UTC)- Reportedly they have been finding more bodies as the floodwaters recede. [4] – Sca (talk) 12:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how this addresses my concerns, but thanks for sharing? --Jayron32 12:29, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Toll likely to rise over time, thus significance. – Sca (talk) 13:15, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Again, I don't remember bringing that up, so it has no bearing on my opposition. --Jayron32 16:16, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- There are significant and ongoing soil disturbances you didn't consider when addressing the stubbiness, too, aren't there? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:45, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Again, I don't remember bringing that up, so it has no bearing on my opposition. --Jayron32 16:16, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Toll likely to rise over time, thus significance. – Sca (talk) 13:15, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how this addresses my concerns, but thanks for sharing? --Jayron32 12:29, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Change to full support. Article has been improved sufficiently. --Jayron32 18:55, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Reportedly they have been finding more bodies as the floodwaters recede. [4] – Sca (talk) 12:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment at the moment it's a stub would support per Jayron32 if it were to be sufficiently expanded (PS I didn't really update the article much, just tidied it up a bit when it showed up on NPP) JW 1961 Talk 13:35, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support pending article improvement. Lots of people have died in this flooding event which according to the sources is an extremely rare one in a hundred year event (and that according to the climate of a few decades ago that already includes some of the global warming effects due to our CO2 emissions). Count Iblis (talk) 15:03, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Suppport - Article already in development, topic highly in the news at the moment. —PaleoNeonate – 15:54, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment there's quite a bit more that can be added (de.wiki has a nice article if we can get any German speakers). In a few hours, I think the article will likely be in a good enough state. Definitely notable enough for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:26, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support quality looks good enough now. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:49, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support when article ready, some of the damage looks more like a tsunami than a slow rise (which isn't surprising as the rainiest 12 hours rained a quarter meter) Some well built-looking buildings and cobblestone roads smashed into rubble here Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:46, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support because the floods are significant enough to post and the article is of sufficient quality. Jim Michael (talk) 18:33, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Also main news in the Netherlands. SportsOlympic (talk) 19:25, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support very notable and the article is in good shape. It seems that the situation is likely to get worse. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:28, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Though the weather in the UK is blissful, this is the main story. An entire city in Belgium has been evacuated, too, and the Netherlands are on warning, so maybe the blurb shouldn't name Germany. Kingsif (talk) 21:07, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Death toll now "at least 65". Angela Merkel has called the flooding "a catastrophe". Martinevans123 (talk) 21:34, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support – in principle – pending somewhat more detail. The existing 885-word article is about 40 percent devoted to 'Response,' led by Merkel's "catastrophe" quote – which itself is notable enough, given that it's primarily Germany that was affected. Much of the balance of 'Response' is predictable and expendable pol talk. That leaves us with around 600 words of descriptive text, still perhaps a bit on the thin side for ITN. – Sca (talk) 22:09, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Wait One CN tag, and an unknown amount missing, particularly about missing people beyond the Eifel. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:28, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 00:10, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support when ready - A no-brainer. This is making headlines around the world and are the biggest floods in Western Europe in decades.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 04:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted:
Severe floods result in at least 70 deaths across western Europe.
--PFHLai (talk) 04:07, 16 July 2021 (UTC) - Comment More than 120 dead now, can we update the blurb? Yakikaki (talk) 12:11, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, article now has 127. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Number of missing is not 1300. The 1300 figure came about as a result of a mobile phone outage causing local authorities to not be able to verify the whereabouts of 1300 people. These are then 1300 people who are unaccounted for due to the circumstances, but they are not really missing. Count Iblis (talk) 14:10, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: The headline ("missing of 1300 people") is misleading. Not only I can confirm that for a short while, those numbers were raised/mentioned in the media because of broken mobile/telephone-infrastructure in a certain area. (Source: in german: by the spiegel (which is acknowledged by the english wikipedia). If you would like to the check the source for yourself you can do that with translation-addons. I ask those with ITN-authorization to remove those missing numbers and update the death toll (over 150 people) now. --LennBr (talk) 10:22, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Reuters on Saturday put toll at 157. – Sca (talk) 12:27, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
RD: Muhammad Muhsin Khan
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Cognate
Credits:
- Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TheAafi (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: died on 14 July. Ainty Painty (talk) 08:15, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose I updated the article but it isn't worth the ITN in its current condition. I couldn't find more information. It fails ITN because DYK-helper shows it is still a stub. ─ The Aafī (talk) 03:37, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Not notable. Grimes2 (talk) 09:21, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Grimes2: Notability is not what matters for inclusion in RD, but the quality of the article. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:07, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: There are less than 1600 characters in the prose. And the Works section needs more refs. --PFHLai (talk) 21:25, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted): RD: Sergio Silvagni
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News
Credits:
- Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Australian Rules Footballer for the Carlton Football Club HiLo48 (talk) 08:12, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - Some lines missing refs, but it seems easy to fix.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 04:07, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Ready - Just did some tidying and added some refs. Looks OK to me. HiLo48 (talk) 02:57, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support There's an unsourced high school shot put victory, but who cares? InedibleHulk (talk) 03:51, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- That is actually sourced, in the same source provided for the 440 yard record immediately preceding. HiLo48 (talk) 06:29, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 16:53, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
July 14
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RD: Ricki Wertz
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pittsburgh Post-Gazette; Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bloom6132 (talk) 11:03, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- This wikibio is a little short, but still okay, coverage-wise. Refs seem adequate. Ready for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 19:26, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
RD: Sam Belnavis
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NASCAR; CBS Sports
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bloom6132 (talk) 06:03, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Dick Tidrow
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): San Francisco Chronicle; Associated Press
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Only reported today (July 14); died on July 10 (i.e. provable gap of at least two days) —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:21, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Ready to go. Fully sourced.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 04:13, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 11:24, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Christian Boltanski
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde; France 24 (Agence France-Presse); Artforum
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 22:38, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Fully sourced. Good to go.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 23:03, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 00:44, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD/Blurb: Mamnoon Hussain
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Former president of Pakistan Mamnoon Hussain (pictured) dies at the age of 80. (Post)
News source(s): Dawn
Credits:
- Nominated by Depressed Desi (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former President of Pakistan Depressed Desi (talk) 18:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Weaksupport The last line of the Political career section is unsourced (although it could be deleted because it doesn't seem very noticeable to me). It would be great, also, if that section could be expanded, especially detailing a bit what he did as president. I don't know if he was important enough to have a blurb. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 19:07, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- I've deleted the unsourced line and it is now ready to be posted in RD. Not in blurb because of what the colleagues say below. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 09:11, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support as it is good enough for RD, but Oppose blurb, per this sentence in the lede: "Hussain maintained a low-key profile as President and his role was rarely seen in the nation's politics, although he was involved in a Polio eradication program."Jackattack1597 (talk) 22:16, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Blurb for "the ceremonial head of state of Pakistan". In Pakistan, the Prime Minister has the authority. Lets not get fixated on the expression "head of state" and instead see if it actually means something. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:35, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Blurb per LaserLegs; RD quality is just about there, with only one piece of trivia uncited at the end of the article. Per Alsoriano97, I'd wait a few hours to see if someone will fix that, otherwise I'd delete the sentence and post as RD. NorthernFalcon (talk) 06:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted as RD -- No blurb. --PFHLai (talk) 10:43, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Lightning strikes in India
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Blurb: At least 76 people across India were killed by lightning strikes in a single weekend (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian,BBC,CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Afif Brika1 (talk · give credit)
Oppose because the storms don't have an article. Jim Michael (talk) 10:10, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose as per Jim Michael. If it's important enough to be on ITN, then it would be important enough to have its own article, and for that article to have significantly more information than the three sentences listed on that section. Until an article demonstrating its importance is created and sufficiently good quality, we shouldn't be considering this. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:23, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
July 13
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(Posted): RD: Shirley Fry
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; Reuters; International Tennis Hall of Fame
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 09:03, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- This nom looks ready for RD to me. --PFHLai (talk) 22:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Agree (American tennis player). InedibleHulk (talk) 19:01, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Agree Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:12, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- I also agree, and have marked as ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- I no longer strongly agree, three headers violate MOS:NUMERAL (but whatever, go with it). InedibleHulk (talk) 20:11, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 02:24, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Margaret Richardson (lawyer)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 08:24, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - The article is fully sourced, and it's good enough for a RD.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 23:49, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 00:30, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Emma Bunton marries Jade Jones
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Blurb: Emma Bunton marries Jade Jones (Post)
News source(s): Instagram
Credits:
- Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Oppose and close please. This is beyond a joke. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Not significant enough to justify the nomination of ITN. Wedding can be happen everyday. 36.77.92.164 (talk) 21:41, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Yashpal Sharma (cricketer)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu, Cricinfo
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit) and Ktin (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Important member of Indian team which won the 1983 Cricket World Cup. Abishe (talk) 08:56, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment There's a few unsourced statements in his bio (which I've tagged), and I'm not sure why the one-line on his death needs four sources. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:36, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support. Added references to the three CN tags that remained on the page. In addition, I also trimmed the sources on the death section as requested by @Lugnuts: above. Meets homepage hygiene. If additional edits are required, please feel free to let know. RIP. Ktin (talk) 18:12, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Seems a decent little article now with improvements made JW 1961 Talk 21:08, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 23:09, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
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NEW: Collapse of Siji Kaiyuan Hotel
Blurb: Part of a hotel building, in Jiangsu, China, collapsed, causing 17 death and 5 injured. (Post)
News source(s): Collapse of Siji Kaiyuan Hotel
Credits:
- Nominated by 173.68.165.114 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
173.68.165.114 (talk) 06:49, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: This article is stubby (not even 300 words of prose). Please expand this article. In particular, the background section is rather thin and unreferenced. --PFHLai (talk) 19:09, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
RD: Paul Orndorff
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:
- Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Professional wrestler. Didnt see his nomination here, hence nominating. Might require some assistance in getting the article to homepage / RD levels of hygiene. Ktin (talk) 18:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support May have fewer unreferenced sections than Paulose II, and is undoubtedly the bigger name. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:42, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comments: A stronger article than Paulose II's, but both need to improve sourcing. I've put in a few {cn} tags -- things like getting fired, failing a physical, getting to a Hall of Fame, etc. should be ref'd. A few older refs appear to be deadlinks and may need to be replaced/updated. --PFHLai (talk) 03:34, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - Several cn tags and several statements without a single ref.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 08:06, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) New prime minister in Nepal
Blurb: Sher Bahadur Deuba (pictured) is designated by the Supreme Court as the new Prime Minister of Nepal. (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times, Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bada Kaji (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Sher Bahadur Deuba's article is not bad, not ready either. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support finally a real story This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
Oppose: The "Electoral history" section is unsourced. Also the "Controversy" section indicates to me that the article needs to be more thoroughly evaluated for BLP issues. The section only has one claim, backed up by one source, and the source doesn't even mention any sort of controversy surrounding the PMs statement. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 03:11, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support: Looks good to me now. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 18:21, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! Bada Kaji (talk • श्रीमान् गम्भीर) 18:25, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support article looks good, and head of state changes are ITNR. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posting, nice work. --Tone 21:22, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
RD: Paulose II (Indian Orthodox Church)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Head of Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:10, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
SupportNo Paul Orndorff, but the article's wonderful enough. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:18, 12 July 2021 (UTC)- Really? Paul Orndorff may have fewer unreferenced sections. --PFHLai (talk) 03:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- InedibleHulk, Sorry, but are you checking the articles before voicing your opinion? SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 08:06, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, I am not a robot. When I'd looked, though, it looked better than when you did, and after. Still not terrible, in my opinion. Marked up, not ultratrustable, though not a hit piece. But yes, falling apart faster than it isn't, moves me to Weak Support. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:42, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - The article needs a lot of work. Several cn tags, two orange tags, etc.--SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 08:08, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose at least 6 places where sources are needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:12, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) 2021 South African protests
Blurb: In South Africa, protests break out over the jailing of former President Jacob Zuma. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In South Africa, protests over the jailing of former President Jacob Zuma result in 72 deaths and 1,200 arrests.
News source(s): BBC, Bloomberg, AP, Guardian, Reuters, Al Jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by Scaramouche33 (talk · give credit)
- Created by TapticInfo (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Large scale protests, the government recently deployed the military to deal with the crisis Scaramouche33 (talk) 18:54, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Strong Wait Article's currently not pretty, chronologically mixed up and in the middle of a heavy 87-byte edit war. But it has potential. Just like any mass protest story. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:54, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Update there were two articles covering the events and now they have been merged Scaramouche33 (talk) 14:06, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I added 1 citation needed tag. Also, some of the named references aren't defined anywhere, so this will need fixing (so they point to the references that verify the content). Joseph2302 (talk) 15:12, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- I tried to fix the citation problems, how does it look now? Scaramouche33 (talk) 17:27, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - major protests, rioting, looting etc. with a high death toll that are being tackled by the military as well as police. The article is being rapidly improved. Jim Michael (talk) 17:11, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support worldwide news coverage of this, clearly ITN worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:37, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support I read about it today in local and national news, clearly something of importance. --LordPeterII (talk) 20:36, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support – in principle – pending updating of article to include 72 deaths, 1,200 arrests. Favor Alt1. – Sca (talk) 22:25, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Deaths and arrests have climbed extremely rapidly, therefore suggest original blurb to remove need for a ticker. Will likely end up as ongoing anyways. Albertaont (talk) 23:11, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support in principle (with the reported deaths and arrests) but Oppose on present quality as the deaths/arrests are currently only delegated into the infobox and should be part of the prose of the article. Everything else about the article seems fine, but these need to be in the body before we can post. --Masem (t) 23:31, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Sca, Masem, I have added deaths and arrest numbers to the lead and body. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 05:07, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support considering that the main issues appear to have been fixed. Alaexis¿question? 11:32, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – Prominent second-day coverage. [5] [6] [7] Time to post. – Sca (talk) 12:06, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Marked attn. – Sca (talk) 18:03, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:03, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support The article is looking much better than before. With the recent events including multiple lawsuits, criminal charges on politicians in the ANC and EFF and deployment of the army (SANDF), I think this article is almost ready.TapticInfo (talk) 21:04, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- For the nth time, it's already been posted: it's on the main page right now. Please now stop. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:07, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
RD: Edwin Edwards
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News
Credits:
- Nominated by Mlb96 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former governor of Louisiana. Mlb96 (talk) 17:19, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose A lot of paragraphs are unsourced. Not ready. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 19:03, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Ongoing: Western North America heat wave
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS, France24, NBC, NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bri (talk · give credit) and Szmenderowiecki (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Previously featured as a blurb. Heat wave is still ongoing, and the article is up-to-date. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 01:22, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - was thinking about nominating this too, article seems to meet requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 01:47, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose This is a separate heat wave from the one that affected the Pac NW in late June. Additionally, while this wave is breaking temperatures, these are nowhere close to the deltas that the Pac NW one broke or led to the deaths that we saw in that one. (Yes there are wildfires attributed to it, but those are also normal for this season/weather in California and other Western states). --Masem (t) 03:32, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- It's less sigmas (deltas unimportant, as the number of degrees per standard deviation correlate with continentality (climatology term)) but if verified will be the new highest reliable temperature on Earth which is something so notable it should be posted if someone writes an article. A weather station in Death Valley also stayed above 107.7°F from Saturday to Monday which is the new high midnight-to-midnight low for the world outside of Oman (108.68°F, caused by most Arabian seawater being body temperature — the hottest in the world). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 07:15, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- We know global warming is happening, so there's no surprise to see record-breaking temperatures in places that are already generally known for the hottest temperatures on earth. The Pac NW was extremely unusual and led to numerous deaths because of its intensity and unusualness --Masem (t) 13:32, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- The real world record has only been broken a few times, I think it should be posted at least the first few times. And major landmarks like last Friday's first 130.0 in the world. And each multiple of 5 Celsius and Fahrenheit and the fake 134° if that ever happens. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:38, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- We can pretty much expect that the highest recorded temperature is going to be broken every year for the next several years given global warming. This isn't anything surprising. What would be newsworthy would be akin to another UN assessment of how the current Paris Agreement work is affecting if we will keep the global average under 2degC by 2030/35 or a similar international scientific study. --Masem (t) 19:03, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- The real world record has only been broken a few times, I think it should be posted at least the first few times. And major landmarks like last Friday's first 130.0 in the world. And each multiple of 5 Celsius and Fahrenheit and the fake 134° if that ever happens. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:38, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- We know global warming is happening, so there's no surprise to see record-breaking temperatures in places that are already generally known for the hottest temperatures on earth. The Pac NW was extremely unusual and led to numerous deaths because of its intensity and unusualness --Masem (t) 13:32, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- It's less sigmas (deltas unimportant, as the number of degrees per standard deviation correlate with continentality (climatology term)) but if verified will be the new highest reliable temperature on Earth which is something so notable it should be posted if someone writes an article. A weather station in Death Valley also stayed above 107.7°F from Saturday to Monday which is the new high midnight-to-midnight low for the world outside of Oman (108.68°F, caused by most Arabian seawater being body temperature — the hottest in the world). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 07:15, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose In the northern hemisphere it’s summer and there are heat waves in many places. Neither this one is more relevant (for now) than others nor a heat wave is exceptional wherever it is. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 06:49, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Breaking the real world temperature record of 129.9°F is important and no heat wave being exceptional whatever it is is laughable when there was a 2003 European heat wave which killed 70,000 people. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 07:15, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Not all heat waves cause deaths. If this one does, I will undoubtedly support this nomination. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 08:24, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Breaking the real world temperature record of 129.9°F is important and no heat wave being exceptional whatever it is is laughable when there was a 2003 European heat wave which killed 70,000 people. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 07:15, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose This is a separate heat wave event (different air masses participating even as the mechanism remains the same) and as such, must be treated separately. If, as some suggest, the heat wave in the SW US merits its own article and all-time records will be/were beaten, I'm fine to have that in the news. But we must have a separate article for that purpose. The one I've substantially expanded related to the heat wave that started around 25 June and finished by July 7 in Labrador. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 07:44, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose The article doesn't indicate it's an ongoing heat wave any more as much of its content documents extreme temperatures and fatalities at the end of June with no daily updates recently. To put it simply, the timing for the nomination is bad.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:14, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- It's not the same heat wave, there is no article on this one which started in a different part of the West about the time the supposedly ongoing one left the continent's easternmost province in a significantly weakened condition. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:32, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – It's still doing what it's been doing, with the Beckworth complex of fires east of Chico spewing smoke far & wide, but essentially there's nothing new in that. Cough, cough. – Sca (talk) 13:00, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- A calendar day averaged 118.2°F in Stovepipe Wells, California which is a record (untied) for an Earth weather station. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:25, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Pfft, my stovepipe beats that every winter. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:01, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Is there a Canadian version of place names like Furnace Creek, California in Death Valley? Like Snowshoes Thud, Yukon, Foggy Bottom, BC or Polar Bear Froze, Nunavut? There's an Alaskan town called Deadhorse near the north end of the border and people would joke it's not just a name, it's a guarantee! Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:55, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Dry Alberta has Vulcan, Redwater and Smoky Lake. Soggy Ontario has Thunder Bay, Ball's Falls and Wawa. Further east, things get a bit Saint-Louis-du-Ha! Ha!, what with the Dildo, Peggy's Cove, Witless Bay and all. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:25, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Ah yes, Dildo. I wonder if the average Dildo man that comes from a long line of male Dildoers needs a phrase with a dildo in it to have an unusually high funniness level before they'll find it funny. Compared to similar men in the non-Dildo population (or non-Dildo region/-Newfoundland/-Eastern Canada) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:01, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- LOL, you said "region", good question! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:28, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Ah yes, Dildo. I wonder if the average Dildo man that comes from a long line of male Dildoers needs a phrase with a dildo in it to have an unusually high funniness level before they'll find it funny. Compared to similar men in the non-Dildo population (or non-Dildo region/-Newfoundland/-Eastern Canada) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:01, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Dry Alberta has Vulcan, Redwater and Smoky Lake. Soggy Ontario has Thunder Bay, Ball's Falls and Wawa. Further east, things get a bit Saint-Louis-du-Ha! Ha!, what with the Dildo, Peggy's Cove, Witless Bay and all. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:25, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Is there a Canadian version of place names like Furnace Creek, California in Death Valley? Like Snowshoes Thud, Yukon, Foggy Bottom, BC or Polar Bear Froze, Nunavut? There's an Alaskan town called Deadhorse near the north end of the border and people would joke it's not just a name, it's a guarantee! Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:55, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Pfft, my stovepipe beats that every winter. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:01, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- A calendar day averaged 118.2°F in Stovepipe Wells, California which is a record (untied) for an Earth weather station. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:25, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support still in the news, likely to be for a while longer. Banedon (talk) 01:14, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support, basically per User:Alsoriano97, given that it is now being reported across multiple venues that deaths in the hundreds are occurring due to the heat wave (see Forbes, The Guardian, The New York Times, KGW8 News, ABC News). I tend to agree that any event in which hundreds of people die, and further deaths appear likely, is ongoing news. BD2412 T 01:51, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Those are all "post-disaster" aftermaths, as there is no heat wave in the PacNW anymore, and we usually don't do followon to disasters like that. The heat wave in the Western states is a distinct weather system that would need a separate article to demonstrate ITN-ness. --Masem (t) 02:21, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps, then, what is needed is a single article (and item) on 2021 North American heat waves, since they are not unconnected events, and each one is setting records and causing deaths in its respective occurrance. BD2412 T 04:01, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- This latest one hasn't caused anywhere close to the number of heat-related deaths as the one in the PacNW. It would be SYNTH to link the events in the same article. --Masem (t) 04:07, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- What about something like a "List of 2021 North American heat waves"? I'm sure there are sources indicating that these are related, such as this article referencing both heat waves as part of an "overall global blocking pattern". BD2412 T 04:20, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- This latest one hasn't caused anywhere close to the number of heat-related deaths as the one in the PacNW. It would be SYNTH to link the events in the same article. --Masem (t) 04:07, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps, then, what is needed is a single article (and item) on 2021 North American heat waves, since they are not unconnected events, and each one is setting records and causing deaths in its respective occurrance. BD2412 T 04:01, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Too complicated. – Sca (talk) 12:12, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Those are all "post-disaster" aftermaths, as there is no heat wave in the PacNW anymore, and we usually don't do followon to disasters like that. The heat wave in the Western states is a distinct weather system that would need a separate article to demonstrate ITN-ness. --Masem (t) 02:21, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – As of Wednesday, more than 60 wildfires burning across U.S. West. Thousands of evacuations. – Sca (talk) 12:12, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Keep in mind that wildfires during this time of year in these areas are common. --Masem (t) 12:18, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- But not this intense. – Sca (talk) 18:06, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
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(Posted) Bulgarian parliamentary election
Blurb: The party There Is Such a People (leader Slavi Trifonov pictured) wins the most seats in the Bulgarian parliamentary election. (Post)
News source(s): AJ, AP, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bogadanbog (talk · give credit), Aréat (talk · give credit), Vacant0 (talk · give credit), Terorio (talk · give credit) and Number 57 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Not in as good of shape as the Moldova election article. Has been updated with results table, but still needs a write-up. However, the event is ITNR, so if the effort goes into it then it should be posted to the Main Page. Posting here to hopefully get some more eyes on it, any help is greatly appreciated. If anyone knows Bulgarian, there's an (understandably) larger article on the Bulgarian Wikipedia that could be used for expansion help. (Also, we'd have the chance to get ITN on ITN!) AllegedlyHuman (talk) 06:25, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Wait Second parliamentary election in three months and it's still unclear who will form the new government. I'd rather wait until the new government is formed instead of posting the 'meaningless' outcome from the election.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:48, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- I understand where you're coming from, but general election results are ITNR. Government formations are not. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 09:09, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- I remember that Greece held two elections back in 2015 and we posted the results from both. Despite this, I still don't think that the ITN/R status should apply to repetitive elections after a failed one and this could be e good case for invoking WP:IAR.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:58, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- I understand where you're coming from, but general election results are ITNR. Government formations are not. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 09:09, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment It's completely irrelevant whether these elections lead to the formation of a government or not. The results, as AllegedlyHuman says, are ITNR by itselves. And if they are repeated, let them be re-nominated. I've added a better picture of Trifonov. The article is not bad: Results by constituency needs content and Aftermath section is still marked in orange. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:58, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Alsoriano97, I believe I have addressed these concerns. The article is in better shape now, and I believe meets quality for posting. Requesting more attention to this nomination. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 00:20, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support after work by AllegedlyHuman. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:52, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted. Now ITN is indeed on ITN! --PFHLai (talk) 06:11, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Moldovan parliamentary election
Blurb: The Party of Action and Solidarity (acting leader Igor Grosu pictured) wins a majority of seats in the Moldovan parliamentary election. (Post)
News source(s): AJ, AP, Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Updated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit), Super Dromaeosaurus (talk · give credit), Number 57 (talk · give credit) and Aréat (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Event is ITNR, and the article looks good. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 04:58, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support article looks fine and well sourced, event is ITNR. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:00, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support I've added "Results by administrative-territorial units", but the general results section need some prose. Otherwise, the article is very good. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:41, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I've just fixed the only CN tag and added sourced prose in the results section. Marking it's ready. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:52, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 16:47, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted--PFHLai (talk) 21:13, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- PFHLai thanks for posting this, I wonder if we could also add the abbreviation of the party, PAS, in parentheses? Not that it is too important but I believe many people into Moldovan politics will identify the parties faster with their abbreviations. Super Ψ Dro 21:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Thank you for your work on the article. That's more important work. I should ask this: is PAS like NASA or UNESCO? If so, perhaps instead of parentheses, the acronym should replace the fullname? --PFHLai (talk) 02:38, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- No, that would be excessive. The acronym is not that well-known as to be able to replace the party's full name and is also an acronym for other things (see PAS), and the Moldovan party is probably not the most primary topic out of those that use that acronym. Super Ψ Dro 07:08, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Thank you for your work on the article. That's more important work. I should ask this: is PAS like NASA or UNESCO? If so, perhaps instead of parentheses, the acronym should replace the fullname? --PFHLai (talk) 02:38, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- PFHLai thanks for posting this, I wonder if we could also add the abbreviation of the party, PAS, in parentheses? Not that it is too important but I believe many people into Moldovan politics will identify the parties faster with their abbreviations. Super Ψ Dro 21:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Charlie Gallagher (footballer, born 1940)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News; Celtic F.C.; The Herald
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Bloom6132 (talk) 02:41, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Short article but the referencing has much improved since yesterday JW 1961 Talk 08:00, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted --PFHLai (talk) 11:01, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) 2021 Cuban protests
Blurb: In Cuba, large anti-government protests occur amid food shortages and a surge in COVID-19 infections. (Post)
News source(s): NY Times, NPR, Reuters, BBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by Pacific26 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Elserbio00 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Although the article is short (and is rapidly being updated), this seems to be a noteworthy event covered by multiple reliable sources. Feel free to add an alternative blurb and/or edit mine. Pacific26 (talk) 02:45, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose NYT reporting only "hundreds" of protesters (in journo-speak, <1000). Scale does not seem evident here, unlike with the 2021 Colombian protests, the 2020–2021 Belarusian protests, or the George Floyd protests, for example. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 03:00, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- I added the BBC article which reports "thousands of people" in the lead. I agree that it may be hard to report the scale this early on, but the NYT article said that these are the biggest in decades (presumably since the Maleconazo) Pacific26 (talk) 03:07, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Notable, I think it's hard to see where it will go from here, but it seems like a significant amount of protestors have been involved and there are notable international protests abroad, such as in Miami and in Chile. FlalfTalk 03:18, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose, Saturday protests are prone to fizzling out. If a rebellion starts or something this can be revisited. Abductive (reasoning) 06:35, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support France24 has reported thousands of protesters (as well as the BBC and other outlets) and there have been reports of protests in up to 15 cities. The demonstrations have been described has "rare" and as the largest in Cuba in 27 years, since the Maleconazo in 1994. Additionally, there have been substantial improvements and expansion in the article, and the quality is alright. --NoonIcarus (talk) 09:17, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support. Protests in Cuba are rare, especially large scale ones. 331dot (talk) 09:23, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support, per comment by 331dot. Elserbio00 (talk) 10:04, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support as per 331dot. Couple of things need sourcing or removing from the infobox, but a couple of cn tags shouldn't preclude this going on front page. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:10, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
TentativelySupport. As per Joseph2302, there are unsourced entries in the infobox that may violate the NPOV policy. I would more strongly support this proposal if verifiable sources can be found and/or if unsourced content is removed.--Grnrchst (talk) 10:54, 12 July 2021 (UTC)- Someone already removed unsourced information from the infobox. Elserbio00 (talk) 11:34, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Great. I think the article might need temporary semi-protection due to vandalism by IP and new users, but that's an issue for a different page.--Grnrchst (talk) 11:44, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Someone already removed unsourced information from the infobox. Elserbio00 (talk) 11:34, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support: Protests are rare and it meets notability from numerous international sources.--Simón, el Silbón (talk) 12:31, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Wait – To see what results there may be. – Sca (talk) 13:03, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support per comments above --Vacant0 (talk) 13:37, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment What's the main goal of the protests? I can't support this nomination before the article clearly articulates what the protesters want to achieve.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:47, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support: The event is noteworthy, and the article does not seem to have any major flaws, except for those that come from being about an ongoing topic that started a day ago. Cambalachero (talk) 14:05, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support: Notable event. Super Ψ Dro 14:37, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 17:00, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support. To quote the opening sentence from the story in the Guardian:[8] "The biggest mass demonstrations for three decades have rippled through Cuba, as thousands took to the streets in cities throughout the island, demonstrating against food shortages, high prices and communist rule." That summarizes quite clearly why the story is ITN worthy. Nsk92 (talk) 17:05, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support if something actually happens w/r/t the government. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 17:06, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support I know a large percentage of people on this ostensibly neutral encyclopedia are die-hard commie supporters who'd already whitewashed the article about the Castros, but I think the largest protests in the country in over 60 years (since the beginning of the communist regime) ought to be blurb-able, don't you think? 212.74.201.233 (talk) 20:56, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Um no, there's no developed country where a large percent of the people are commie supporters, communism has been irrelevant for at least 29 years. Wikipedia has left-wing bias but pro-communism isn't it. Note: Left-wing bias isn't always bad, often the right-wing is delusional. Hey you get some things right though, sometimes I look at Democrats and wonder "how the fuck is the Frazzledrip Space Laser party infinitely more sane than you on 5% of the issues?" Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:29, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Capitalist dog propaganda, and too soon to know the results (if any). InedibleHulk (talk) 22:12, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Would that be the running dogs of capitalism, by chance? – Sca (talk) 22:26, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- You're out of line again, comrade, do it again and I'll see you can't even run for dogcatcher in this state! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:35, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Would that be the running dogs of capitalism, by chance? – Sca (talk) 22:26, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Notable event, rare in Cuba. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:16, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Wait I'm surprised by how little we know about the situation so far. How many people are attending these protests? Have there been any injuries? Have there been any arrests? If so, how many? It's difficult to judge the notability of the event when we don't have much to work with. I'm sure this will change with time, though. Vanilla Wizard 💙 00:04, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Seems relevant. Elishop (talk) 10:57, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Notable, historic and with international coverage. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:33, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – A lot of people have gone to jail, it seems. [9] [10] [11] – Sca (talk) 13:11, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I was considering posting, but the first paragraph at 2021 Cuban protests#Background is unsourced and has a citation needed tag.—Bagumba (talk) 13:28, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Bagumba: Paragraph sourced now. --NoonIcarus (talk) 16:16, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support Incredibly rare for protests to occur in Cuba, this is a historic event even if nothing comes of it. The article is flawless, so I don't see any reason to delay posting. Mlb96 (talk) 03:39, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posted I dropped "large", as it's relative, and the post anyways implies it's large enough.—Bagumba (talk) 03:45, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support. A substantial historic event. BD2412 T 03:59, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) 2020 Euros final
Blurb: Italy defeat England on penalties to win their second title at UEFA Euro 2020. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Italy defeat England in a penalty shoot-out to win the Euro 2020 Final
Alternative blurb II: Italy defeat England to win the UEFA Euro 2020.
Alternative blurb III: The UEFA Euro 2020 concludes with Italy defeating England in the final.
Alternative blurb IV: In association football, UEFA Euro 2020 concludes with Italy defeating England in the the final (man of the match Leonardo Bonucci pictured).
News source(s): Express
Credits:
- Nominated by 97.126.66.142 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Amakuru (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Major sporting event. 97.126.66.142 (talk) 21:43, 11 July 2021 (UTC)See below RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:25, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Better blurb... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:59, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Changed "defeats to defeat" as per WP:ENGVAR (European English). Joseph2302 (talk) 22:01, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support but wait until the article is updated to include some prose about the match itself. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:27, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Changed "defeats to defeat" as per WP:ENGVAR (European English). Joseph2302 (talk) 22:01, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
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- Oppose as there's no prose on the match itself, just the pre-game stuff. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:13, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
Oppose: at least two red cards missing in that matchSupporto procedurale debole: Major sporting event. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:18, 11 July 2021 (UTC)- Oppose. Needs a prose write up. Hopefully we'll get one Soon! This article is going to be an FA in the future, but it's not good enough for the main page right now. — Amakuru (talk) 22:26, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Needs a prose write up.Jackattack1597 (talk) 23:21, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support. The blurb, after the article is ready. KyuuA4 (Talk:キュウ) 23:22, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose wrong team won. Article needs work, I'll be doing it soon, but not now. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 23:23, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- What if you had a break for rest after extra time, then played a second extra time with the same rules except the goals get wider at whatever millimeters per second would cause the average score to be about 10 goals per team by the 150th minute, but if a team ever trails by 2 while the goal is growing they lose immediately. Would that help the right team win more often than penalty kicks? It would also incredibly boost TV ratings in the c. 2/3rds (more?) of U.S. sports fans who wish soccer was more exciting, but only for the duration of the growing goal periods. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:41, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Great idea. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:13, 12 July 2021 (UTC) p.s. but yes, penalty shoot-outs are so bad because they allow the game to be decided on failures, a miss or a save, rather than on a positive goal.
- What if you had a break for rest after extra time, then played a second extra time with the same rules except the goals get wider at whatever millimeters per second would cause the average score to be about 10 goals per team by the 150th minute, but if a team ever trails by 2 while the goal is growing they lose immediately. Would that help the right team win more often than penalty kicks? It would also incredibly boost TV ratings in the c. 2/3rds (more?) of U.S. sports fans who wish soccer was more exciting, but only for the duration of the growing goal periods. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:41, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose as the article is not ready and per systemic bias would be posting Italy's victory and not Argentina'x yesterday. CoryGlee (talk) 00:42, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment For someone who opposing the blurb because of systemic bias, two football competition are held differently. Copa America final and Euro 2020 final helds in different countries (England and Brazil) and different dates (10 July for Copa America and 11 July for Euro 2020). Regardless whether someone opposing the blurb because of bias against Argentina, the argument is bit unrelated and would be necessary to posted two Football competition finals as blurb respectively, except if someone in the Americas think that posting the Copa America blurb is more necessary than Euro 2020 final. 36.77.92.225 (talk) 02:08, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Of course the Copa is less necessary, if a combined blurb would not be too long there is nothing wrong with combining the 2 if there's not enough desire for having 2 soccer blurbs 1 day apart. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 02:20, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - Confused by the blurb. Was there any score? CoatCheck (talk) 02:13, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Sports scores don't often make the blurbs here. It's penalties, so you know it was tied. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 02:20, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Conditional support based on changed blurb Blurb is terrible, maybe mention scores and in penalties? Event itself is definitely notable and belongs in ITN, but the blurb needs work. FlalfTalk 03:22, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- ITN blurbs doesn't include scores for a long time now. Howard the Duck (talk) 03:24, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Look at the amount of characters written to shut down this nomination, while putting absolutely 0 characters towards fixing the concern, while also continuing to semi-protect the article against allowing IPs from vandalizing the unupdated article with any sort of match updates. 2601:602:9200:1310:8C95:3A7A:3E5E:5660 (talk) 06:55, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think "allowing IPs to vandalize the article with match updates" is necessarily a good idea. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:52, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support sufficiently updated. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 08:24, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support updated with well sourced match report now. Blurb should maybe start "In association football", as not everyone will know that UEFA means football (and we tend to do it for most sports hooks). Joseph2302 (talk) 09:53, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Posting. --Tone 12:00, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) 2021 Wimbledon Championships
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Blurb: Ashleigh Barty and Novak Djokovic win the women's and men's singles tournaments at Wimbledon respectively. (Post)
News source(s): ESPN, CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
- Comment needs some actual text about the tournament in this article, rather than just linking to the articles on men's singles, women's singles etc. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:03, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- For comparison, see the last time this tournament was posted on ITN: 2015 Wimbledon Championships. Joofjoof (talk) 02:57, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Not ready. None of the articles have adequate prose descriptions of the finals, or the tournament as a whole. There needs to be real encyclopaedic content, not just a load of data tables. Modest Genius talk 18:59, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Doesn't look like anyone is working on adding prose to the article.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Unity 22 spaceflight
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Blurb:
Alternative blurb: Virgin Galactic's Unity 22 mission launches with six occupants, including Virgin Galactic founder Richard Branson.
News source(s): Washington Post, CNN, NPR
Credits:
- Nominated by El_C (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Comment did he fly on his own? No other passengers? PS: the article linked has an image caption at the top which says: "The first space tourist, Dennis Tito...." The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:51, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, sorry, I don't know why I thought it was just the pilots and him. Note to self: read own sources! El_C 19:11, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support w/ altblurb - Richard Branson is not the first space tourist, and also not the only occupant of the flight. Ionmars10 (talk) 16:52, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Blurb (the verb, not supporting the redacted "Blurb" OR Alt1, use SOME words) Now that's what I call entertainment news, celebrities leaving us through flying, not dying! InedibleHulk (talk) 16:54, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality the article is a stub. Needs expanding. Notable enough once expanding. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:00, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support once quality of article is improved. The significance is that it's the first journey with space tourists, and alt1 doesn't convey how it's different from any other spaceflight. Would support a variant of the original blurb. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 17:02, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Apart from the flight which had "The first space tourist, Dennis Tito...." right? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:09, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- It's the space tourists club, Tito, allows for old ones. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:12, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- I don't follow your attempt at humour: we've had space tourists. It's not news. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:13, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Not a group, though, or a duo. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:16, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- I don't follow your point here. Are you suggesting that Branson was more of a tourist than Dennis Tito? Or are you just deliberately wasting time again? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:20, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'm saying the "six occupants" part is new, but calling them space tourists, dead fucking serious. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:25, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- So the blurb which talks about the "first space tourist" still solicits your support despite it being utterly inaccurate? Perhaps you can start considering this project with an iota of gravitas rather than an alternative for Reddit or something. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:31, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Hang on, in this Virgin flight, how many "tourists" were there? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:34, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- 4 I think. + 2 pilots (unsure if those pilots were astronauts themselves, possibly not). ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 17:34, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Ok so four (perhaps) tourists (only one of whom was declared as a tourist) is newsworthy because....? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:36, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- ...it is, in the new normal's word of the year, unprecedented. Even before 2020, that factored into journalistic newsworthiness hard. First time, ever, in history! InedibleHulk (talk) 17:50, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- What is? What you've voted to support on the main page doesn't reflect your bizarre attempts at humour here. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:52, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- A group of humans, in space, touring together. Seriously. You see humour here, not me. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:55, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Some employees of Virgin going in sub-orbital space. Amazing. Come back with a real encyclopedic article to bother us instead of the relentless failing attempts at humour. Seriously, some of us are trying to make this an encyclopedia. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:58, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- If you don't want a blurb, that's fine. But don't tell people who do that they're failing at humour when they're not trying, and telling you repeatedly how they mean it. It's unsettling. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:07, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps you need to make your opinion clearer then. Your background is purely in attempted humour. Your starting point was "It's the space tourists club, Tito, allows for old ones." which makes little sense to me or perhaps was an attempt at humour or an in-joke. Maybe be clearer. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 18:26, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- No Homers Club. Thought you might recognize it, and appreciate it as a simple way to grasp the true unfunny premise. I overestimated your and Wikipedia's cartoon cultural awareness, but hadn't considered that by alluding to a famous old saying, I'd be mistaken for funny myself. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:47, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps you need to make your opinion clearer then. Your background is purely in attempted humour. Your starting point was "It's the space tourists club, Tito, allows for old ones." which makes little sense to me or perhaps was an attempt at humour or an in-joke. Maybe be clearer. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 18:26, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- If you don't want a blurb, that's fine. But don't tell people who do that they're failing at humour when they're not trying, and telling you repeatedly how they mean it. It's unsettling. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:07, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Some employees of Virgin going in sub-orbital space. Amazing. Come back with a real encyclopedic article to bother us instead of the relentless failing attempts at humour. Seriously, some of us are trying to make this an encyclopedia. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:58, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- A group of humans, in space, touring together. Seriously. You see humour here, not me. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:55, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- What is? What you've voted to support on the main page doesn't reflect your bizarre attempts at humour here. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:52, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- ...it is, in the new normal's word of the year, unprecedented. Even before 2020, that factored into journalistic newsworthiness hard. First time, ever, in history! InedibleHulk (talk) 17:50, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Ok so four (perhaps) tourists (only one of whom was declared as a tourist) is newsworthy because....? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:36, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- 4 I think. + 2 pilots (unsure if those pilots were astronauts themselves, possibly not). ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 17:34, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- I don't follow your point here. Are you suggesting that Branson was more of a tourist than Dennis Tito? Or are you just deliberately wasting time again? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:20, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Not a group, though, or a duo. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:16, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- I don't follow your attempt at humour: we've had space tourists. It's not news. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:13, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Personally I think having a group of space tourists is significant. Here are a few sources discussing the effect of the trip on space tourism[12][13] and BBC says
Sir Richard billed the flight as a test of the space tourism experience he expects to begin selling to customers from next year.
[14] I think that makes this distinct from the usual 'guy pays Space Adventures for a trip'. Celebrity news would be the 'space rivalry' between Branson and Bezos, and likely we're not going to have two blurbs so only featuring one might suck us into the drama, but I think this is 'in the news' (that is, the news of two spaceflights in a short period of time with space tourists). ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 17:30, 11 July 2021 (UTC)- Posting this would certainly be good advertising for Virgin. So that's a thing. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:44, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- It's the space tourists club, Tito, allows for old ones. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:12, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Apart from the flight which had "The first space tourist, Dennis Tito...." right? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:09, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - This is not the first manned flight of this craft, not the first space tourist, and mostly just celebrity news. --Masem (t) 17:20, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose rich man takes a high flight. Next. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:24, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- No small feat even for the billionaire, apparently.[15][16] ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 17:32, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Eh? We've had space tourists. What is this? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:35, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- I think the precedent is first civilian spaceflight, no? El_C 17:38, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oh, I missed that distinction in the blurb, sorry.... The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:40, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- I think the precedent is first civilian spaceflight, no? El_C 17:38, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Eh? We've had space tourists. What is this? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:35, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- No small feat even for the billionaire, apparently.[15][16] ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 17:32, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose purely on article quality. Virgin Galactic Unity 22 just says "some people flew". I'm not sure why it's a separate article from VSS Unity, and if people don't improve it, it won't be separate for long. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 17:25, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose also based on importance; the people claiming this is important are struggling to find any "first" other than "first time Richard Branson has engaged in this marketing technique". User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 17:56, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support - Might one to include in blurb that Sir Richard is the first billionaire in space (I know...). CoatCheck (talk) 17:43, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oh yeah, and the first "English billionaire"? Or you could say "the first English airline-owning billionaire"? Or even "the first man with a beard"? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:45, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- No. Surely, that was Moses?? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:39, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- No. Charles Simonyi is the first billionaire in space. See Space tourism § List of space tourism trips. — UnladenSwallow (talk) 17:53, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Beat out by Paul Scully-Power on the beard, too. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 23:37, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oh yeah, and the first "English billionaire"? Or you could say "the first English airline-owning billionaire"? Or even "the first man with a beard"? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:45, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. The first space tourist is Dennis Tito, who flew to the ISS in 2001 aboard a Soyuz spacecraft. Tito was also the first orbital space tourist; Branson and others who flew with him are suborbital space tourists (where "space" is defined as either 50 miles or 62 miles above the surface of Earth). So, what do we put in the blurb? Virgin Galactic becomes the first company to offer suborbital space tours (defined as tours to an altitude of 50 miles)? — UnladenSwallow (talk) 17:49, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - even if it had went beyond the Kármán line I may have opposed. A flight that only went into space according to US' and no one else's definition, err no thanks. -- KTC (talk) 18:06, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- I look forward to the day that human spaceflight is so common as to no longer be itself blurb-worthy in ITNR, but this didn't reach the Karman line in any event so I must oppose even though it's lighting up space Twitter. Besides, the first space tourist was way back in 2001. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:57, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose This did not go into space, it did not reach the Kármán line, the standard definition of space. Only in the US would this be considered a spaceflight. Fortunately for the americans, it looks like the blurb will actually go to the other billionaire in a weeks time. 104.243.98.96 (talk) 19:07, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support in principle but the reason it is notable is that it is the first commercial enterprise to do private commercial suborbital flights. Technically the equivalent of SpaceX doing this is its Inspiration4 since the other crewed flights were contracted by a governmental agency (NASA), while the Russians launched space tourists as a governmental agency themselves. This is strictly about privatizing space, since all previous space tourism involves big government money, not individual pocket money. And first successful launches of a new rocket are ITNR, this is just the first paying successful flight of such a rocket. 97.126.66.142 (talk) 20:07, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Cmnt: just noticed the complete lack of quality updates to the article. Considering how secretive this flight was, it would be difficult to get a meaningful update to the article now besides its relevancy and rivalry to the Bezos competition. 97.126.66.142 (talk) 20:21, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support. Spaceflight is still rare and dangerous, and civilian passengers were on this flight, a private flight. (Tito bought a seat on a Russian government flight). 331dot (talk) 20:11, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality, but not opposed in principle to it being posted. - Indefensible (talk) 20:35, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support. Virgin's In Space, yay!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:03, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – Too much personal hype for the likes of Wiki. And I don't see much genuine significance in this $tunt. – Sca (talk) 22:43, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- PS: Note that Little Peter's Journey to the Moon took place in 1919. – Sca (talk) 22:59, 11 July 2021 (UTC) →
- Manned shells to Luna are cool but the acceleration would be like the worst instant of a giant that kind of one-punch kills you but for 10 nonstop seconds. Also it'd probably have to be a helium barrel or something even more exotic as no non-nuclear explosion can expand in air at over ~80% the minimum moonshot speed and it must be about 30 miles long in addition to being a very hard to design "constant acceleration cannon" with many explosions per shot to kill you this gently. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:15, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oooh, Milky Way, you damp squib. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:23, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Surely you don't doubt the redoubtable Hans Baluschek? – Sca (talk) 13:11, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Sca, I've found a source that says 16 times Earth gravity for 1 minute would kill us, so a 180 mile long moon cannon would still be fatal. The average person would pass out on a moonshot of about 6 or maybe 5 g's, I'd try to keep the cannon at least 700 miles long so it's more like a strong roller coaster valley for 4 minutes. One day someone may make a 700 mile long Moonstik® from future substances that'll not collapse from their own length, but electromagnetic, and within a century of that someone will become the first man to listen to a dubstep buildup while attached to a 600 to 700 mile long lineac Capsool®, and when the electromagnetic linear accelerator railgun inductors or whatever "go to warp" the illest 4-minute bass drop ever composed will start. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:40, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Surely you don't doubt the redoubtable Hans Baluschek? – Sca (talk) 13:11, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oooh, Milky Way, you damp squib. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:23, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Manned shells to Luna are cool but the acceleration would be like the worst instant of a giant that kind of one-punch kills you but for 10 nonstop seconds. Also it'd probably have to be a helium barrel or something even more exotic as no non-nuclear explosion can expand in air at over ~80% the minimum moonshot speed and it must be about 30 miles long in addition to being a very hard to design "constant acceleration cannon" with many explosions per shot to kill you this gently. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:15, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- PS: Note that Little Peter's Journey to the Moon took place in 1919. – Sca (talk) 22:59, 11 July 2021 (UTC) →
- Oppose For the many varied reasons outlined above by Masem, The Rambling Man, power~enwiki, KTC, 104.243.98.96, Sca. It is not Wikipedia's job to be the hype-machine for a billionaire and/or the stock of a publicly traded company. Chrisclear (talk) 03:13, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose, weak publicity stunt with no lasting impact. Abductive (reasoning) 06:37, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support The billionaire space race has been covered internationally and seeing the world's richest battle over who'll be the first to space is a rare event.--TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 09:16, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Even if we consider the "billionaire space race" to be an actual thing, since the aircraft didn't reach the Karman line, it's not really a major milestone Scaramouche33 (talk) 09:40, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
- Support alt blurb. This signifies the beginning of commercial sub-orbital flight operations, there is clear lasting significance and widespread global news coverage. Polyamorph (talk) 13:25, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
2021 Ethiopian general election
Blurb: In Ethiopia, Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed's Prosperity Party is declared the winner of the 2021 Ethiopian general election. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NPR, MSN, Bloomberg, ABC, AP
Credits:
- Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)
- Created by Sundostund (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Vote occurred in June but results not announced until July 10. Article needs some cleanup. - Indefensible (talk) 07:18, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose with regret, still no improvement really 12 hours later. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:14, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
- SPOQ important development but threadbare article. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:01, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
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