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August 16

Portal:Current events/2020 August 16

August 16, 2020 (2020-08-16) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Somali Civil War At least 12 people are killed when five al-Shabaab gunmen storm a beachfront hotel in Mogadishu after detonating a car bomb in front of the building. The attackers were later killed by security forces. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents MV Wakashio oil spill Mauritius says it will seek "compensation from the owner and the insurer" of MV Wakashio, which broke apart the previous day after leaking hundreds of tonnes of fuel oil. The Japanese company in charge of the ship pledged to compensate for the damage. (BBC News) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in India The number of deaths from COVID-19 in India surpasses 50,000. (Hindustan Times) COVID-19 pandemic in South Korea The number of daily new COVID-19 cases in South Korea tops 200 for the first time in five months, with 279 new cases reported in the last 24 hours. The cases are traced to several conservative churches in the Seoul Capital Area. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in the Philippines The Department of Health announces a new single-day record-high increase of 40,397 recoveries in the Philippines, bringing the total number of patients discharged to 112,586. (Inquirer) COVID-19 pandemic in the United States COVID-19 pandemic in Florida The Florida Department of Health reports 3,779 cases, the state's lowest since June 23. (The Miami Herald) COVID-19 pandemic in Georgia Georgia Governor Brian Kemp signs an executive order that permits local officials to issue mask mandates in their cities. (Newsweek) COVID-19 pandemic in Italy The government orders the closure of nightclubs and makes masks mandatory for 12 hours between 6:00 p.m. local time and 6:00 a.m. local time. (Euronews) The temperature reaches 130 °F (54.4 °C) in Death Valley, California amidst a historic heat wave in the western United States. If verified, it is the hottest temperature recorded on Earth in the month of August, and the hottest in any month since 1931. (The Washington Post) International relations Belarus–Russia relations, 2020 Belarusian protests Russia says it is "ready to assist Belarus in accordance with a collective military pact if necessary" as opposition leader in-exile Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya calls for a massive march. (Reuters) Israel–United Arab Emirates peace agreement The United Arab Emirates unblocks telephone lines between the country and Israel, as well as allowing people in the country to access Israeli websites. Israeli Communications Minister Yoaz Hendel congratulates the Emirati government for the move. (AP) Iran–United Arab Emirates relations The Emirati government summons the Iranian chargé d'affaires in Abu Dhabi to protest a speech by Iranian President Hassan Rouhani which called the UAE's peace agreement with Israel "a treacherous act." The Emirati government labeled these remarks as "unacceptable, inflammatory and carrying serious repercussions for the security and stability of the Arabian Gulf region." (Al Arabiya) Politics and elections COVID-19 pandemic Protests over responses to the COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on education Hundreds of GCE Advanced Level students protest outside the Department for Education headquarters in London demanding for a reassessment of their final-year performance by the Ofqual, which has used an algorithm to assess students' performances in lieu of the exams that were cancelled due to the COVID-19 pandemic. Critics claim the Ofqual's algorithm to be "flawed" as the grades issued differ significantly from those predicted by teachers. Education Secretary Gavin Williamson had issued a statement clarifying that students may use their teacher's predicted grades or results from any trial exam, although the Ofqual issued a separate statement favouring teacher evaluations over trial exams. Students are requesting for an intervention from Prime Minister Boris Johnson. (AP via SCMP) COVID-19 pandemic in Spain Hundreds of protesters at the Plaza de Colón in Madrid demand the government rescinds the compulsory wearing of face masks in public, which had been imposed following the resurgence of COVID-19 cases in July. Protesters claim that such restrictions are an attempt by the government to curtail people's freedoms. (AFP via The Straits Times) Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on politics COVID-19 pandemic in New Zealand, 2020 New Zealand general election Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern postpones the upcoming general election from 19 September to 17 October due to a recent resurgence of COVID-19 cases. (Stuff) (CNN) 2020 Belarusian protests Tens of thousands protest in the Belarusian capital Minsk calling for President Alexander Lukashenko to step down. It is believed to be the largest protest in Belarusian history. (The Guardian) In a defiant speech, Alexander Lukashenko addresses supporters in Independence Square, Minsk, where he claims Belarus would "die as a state" if new elections were held, and accuses NATO of "massing on the border". Opposition critics say most of those at the rally were coerced into attending and had been bussed in from other parts of the country. (Sky News) The Belarusian Ambassador to Slovakia, Igor Leshchenya, defects to the opposition after posting a video declaring his support for the protests. (The Independent) 2020 Thai protests More than 10,000 people march against the government, demanding their resignation and a curb to its monarchy's power. The protesters also demand a change in the constitution. Meanwhile, dozens held pro-monarchy counter-protests. (Al Jazeera) Politics of the Dominican Republic Luis Abinader is sworn in as President after winning the 2020 general elections. He succeeds Danilo Medina. (The New York Times)

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(Closed) RD: Robert Trump

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Article: Robert Trump (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC & CNN as of writing (story just broke); likely will be others following suit
Credits:

• Nominated by 2601:187:4581:7F50:658E:ECFC:60C2:7B99 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 2601:187:4581:7F50:658E:ECFC:60C2:7B99 (talk) 02:38, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Robert Trump currently redirects to Family of Donald Trump#Robert Trump. TompaDompa (talk) 02:46, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose as a redirect. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 03:30, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Apparently he was not sufficiently notable for his own stand alone article and what's at the redirect target is a single paragraph. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:01, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

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August 15

Portal:Current events/2020 August 15

August 15, 2020 (2020-08-15) (Saturday) Business and economy Argentine debt restructuring The government approves a proposed deal with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) to restructure around $65 billion in foreign government bonds, following President Alberto Fernández's successful negotiations with creditors and the International Monetary Fund the previous week after the country defaulted in May. The government plans to submit the proposal to the SEC on August 17. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe The MSC Grandiosa disembarks from Genoa, Italy, on a seven-day cruise in the Mediterranean Sea, the first major cruise ship to sail in the Sea in almost five months because of the COVID-19 pandemic. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents MV Wakashio oil spill The Japanese bulk carrier Wakashio, which stranded on a reef in Mauritius last month, breaks in half. Approximately 1,000 tonnes of oil spilled into the ocean. Most of the oil had been pumped out before the ship broke in half in the afternoon. Around 166 tonnes of oil remained after the break, and authorities are working to remove it. Scientists call it the biggest environmental disaster ever in Mauritius. France says it will help with the cleanup. Japan's ministry of environment announced that it will send officials and other specialists to look at the damage. (Reuters) Two lighter vessels capsize in the Bay of Bengal, near the island of Bhasan Char in Bangladesh. The country's Inland Water Transport Authority report that 13 crew members from one vessel en route to the Narayanganj District from Chittagong are missing, while all 12 crew members from the other vessel were rescued. (Anadolu Agency) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Denmark Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen mandates the wearing of face masks on all public transport in the country, effective August 22, in an effort to control the spread of the virus. (AFP via Daily Sabah) COVID-19 pandemic in France The daily number of new COVID-19 cases in France tops 3,000 for the first time since lockdown eased. (France 24) COVID-19 pandemic in Malta Malta reports 72 new COVID-19 cases in the last 24 hours. It is the highest single increase in new cases in the country since the pandemic began. (Times of Malta) COVID-19 pandemic in the Republic of Ireland Ireland reports 200 new cases but no deaths in the last 24 hours. This is the highest number of daily cases since May. (The Irish Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia, COVID-19 vaccine Russia announces the production of the first batch of its Sputnik V vaccine. (Hindustan Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in South Korea South Korea reports 166 new cases of COVID-19. From that number, 139 were traced to Seoul and Gyeonggi Province and a significant portion of them were linked to cluster infections involving churchgoers. It is the highest number of reported new cases since March 11. (Kyodo News) After a spike in new cases, the government decides to tighten social distancing measures in Seoul and surrounding areas. Many measures that are to be implemented include restricting numbers of gatherings and sports events played behind closed doors. (Tempo) COVID-19 pandemic in Indonesia Minister of State Owned Enterprises and chief of the COVID-19 recovery team, Erick Thohir, announces that the government would bar foreign visitors until the completion of a vaccine. Indonesian scientists are testing a COVID-19 vaccine with Sinovac Biotech, which Thohir says is likely to be completed next year. (Kyodo News) COVID-19 pandemic in Africa COVID-19 pandemic in Algeria Algeria begins to reopen their mosques, beaches, cafes, and parks five months after their lockdown. (ABC News) COVID-19 pandemic in South Africa President Cyril Ramaphosa announces a plan to ease nearly all restrictions on the economy from August 17, including lifting a controversial ban on the sale of alcohol and tobacco that had been imposed in July, as infections peak. (BBC News) International relations Travel restrictions related to the COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in the Netherlands The government of the Netherlands issues a travel warning advising the public not to travel to some places, including Paris, the region surrounding Marseilles, Brussels, Ibiza and Mallorca. The warnings come as a response to an increase in new cases in Spain, France and Belgium. (NL Times) Aftermath of the 2020 Belarusian presidential election The leaders of the Baltic states, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, issue a joint statement calling on Belarus to hold a new "free and fair" election with international observers. (RFE/RL) Poland–United States relations U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Polish Defence Minister Mariusz Błaszczak sign an agreement in Warsaw to redeploy about 1,000 U.S. troops from Germany to Poland so as to bring the total to 5,500. The agreement also includes a potential increase to 20,000 U.S. troops if Poland is under threat. (BBC News) Israel and the United Nations Israeli Foreign Minister Gabi Ashkenazi condemns the UN Security Council's decision not to extend an arms embargo on Iran. Ashkenazi argues that Iran "will lead to further Middle East instability". (Reuters) Afghanistan–France relations, Afghan peace process Amidst the release of "hardcore" Taliban prisoners, the French government asks the Afghan government not to release those involved in the killing of French citizens. (Reuters) Law and crime George Floyd protests George Floyd protests in Georgia Antifa militants, far-right groups, and pro-Confederacy groups clash at Stone Mountain, near the city of Stone Mountain, Georgia. (The Daily Beast) George Floyd protests in Michigan Members of the right-wing group Proud Boys clash with counter-protesters in Kalamazoo, Michigan, with police carrying out nine arrests, including a local newspaper reporter. (AP) 2020 Thai protests Student activist Parit Chiwarak is released on bail after being arrested on Friday for co-organising a rally in July. He was charged with violating the COVID-19 measures and breaching internal security. Protests have been taking place in Thailand since July against the government. Parit Chiwarak has said he will continue to protest against the government and for reforms in the Thai monarchy. (Reuters) Thai King Vajiralongkorn commutes the death sentence of two Burmese nationals convicted of the rape and murder of two British backpackers in 2014 in Ko Tao. The royal decree was issued to commemorate the birthday of the King, on July 28, to "illustrate the king's clemency". The pair now serve life in prison. (BBC News) Politics and elections 2020 Belarusian protests President Alexander Lukashenko issues an appeal to Russian President Vladimir Putin as he considers the protests "not a threat to just Belarus anymore". Statements by both sides contained a pointed reference to the Union State between the two countries. Meanwhile, opposition candidate leader Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya, who is exiled in Lithuania, calls for more protests. (Reuters) Sports Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on sports, 2019–20 Chinese Basketball Association season In basketball, the Guangdong Southern Tigers win their 10th CBA championship, bringing an end to the 2019–20 CBA season, which was paused due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic. (South China Morning Post)

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MV Wakashio Breaks Apart

Article: MV Wakashio oil spill (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Japanese bulk carrier MV Wakashio, which stranded on a reef in Mauritius last month, breaks in half. Scientists call it the biggest environmental disaster ever in Mauritius. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Grounded Japanese bulk carrier MV Wakashio breaks apart on the coast of Mauritius portending an ecological disaster for the region.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Grounded Japanese bulk carrier MV Wakashio breaks apart on the coast of Mauritius after spilling around 1,000 tonnes of oil into the Indian Ocean.
News source(s): (Reuters)
Credits:

• Nominated by Albertaont (talk · give credit)
• Created by Antur (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Calmecac5 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: While the grounding of the bulk carrier happened a while back, the ship didn't physically break apart until today. The ecological impact are likely going to be massive including clean-up costs. Also Mauritius relies on heavy tourism for its economy, which will undoubted by impacted even notwitstanding the pandemic. Albertaont (talk) 22:22, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Might have to get some additional details before posting. But, we should post. I have added an Alternate Blurb (Altblurb). Please feel free to tone it down. Ktin (talk) 22:29, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
  • added minor link to Mauritius and bulk carrier for people that are interested -> don't want to confuse people with a tanker which would be even worse. Albertaont (talk) 23:01, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support. altblurb preferred because have massive cost for years. 180.245.101.217 (talk) 22:42, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Wait The big impact was the initial grounding. Most of the oil has been pumped out, what is left is the fuel and their rushing to pump that out, so how much of an effect that will have is unknown, so the stories are all speculative of the impact here. --Masem (t) 22:50, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Comment Masem, I tell you that the impact of the spill takes months and years to assess, not only how much effect in environment, but also in society, economy, and many more, that is relevant given Mauritius was badly impacted by COVID-19 as the economy heavily relies on tourism. 180.245.101.217 (talk) 23:17, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

In contrast to when this ran aground, when there was an affirmed estimate of how many gallons of oil that spilled into the waters, here, the oil has been removed, all that's left is fuel, and they aren't sure if thats' leaking, and compared to the oil, there's a far less finite supply of that. Yes, if it all spilled, it would be a problem. They will be able to estimate how much of that fuel spilled within a day or so, which would be sufficient if it was significant quantities. But right now, the story is the fear that this fuel could spill, and thus could cause problems. That's speculation, which we don't post. --Masem (t) 04:38, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

• Weak support background, reactions, infobox, map, not America -- checks the boxes. The accident section is light on details about the accident, instead it's all environmental damage (which has it's own section). Would be nice to know the events which led to the grounding. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:57, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Initial revelations are shocking: birthday party and quest for wifi. (Spash 247) Albertaont (talk) 23:20, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose as stale: the incident happened weeks ago and starting spilling oil straight away. It was still July when it was named the worst environmental disaster in Mauritius. Kingsif (talk) 23:00, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Washington Post reports thats oil didn't start leaking until 6 August. Albertaont (talk) 23:20, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
    • Which was still over a week ago... Kingsif (talk) 07:06, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Yes it would have been better to post this earlier when it first happened or first started leaking oil, but breaking in half is definitely a new development in this major ongoing story. Let’s rectify our oversight by posting this now. Would also be open to supporting an ongoing link. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 01:05, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support The ship broke up within the last 24hrs. As that is what is being reported, this is not stale. And the scope of the disaster is more than ITN worthy. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:22, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
• Strong support This is the worst environmental disaster in Mauritius history and a ship that breaks apart is unprecedented for the country. Altblurb I or II preferred. 182.1.235.99 (talk) 01:51, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment If this gets posted, I strongly prefer Altburb I or II, you guys definitely improved it. Albertaont (talk) 02:32, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
• Conditional Support. Interesting and important but we should keep the Lebanese government resigning and the Belarussian protests. If we replace something other than those, by all means go ahead. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:29, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Blurbs are added and removed based entirely on the date of the event. We don't give preference to certain blurbs over others in terms of how long they stay up. Sometimes blurbs can linger for weeks when ITN is slow. And sometimes they come and go in days. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:06, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Go ahead and remove the most important thing happening in Europe right now. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:42, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

• The proposed image is of unclear permission (aka appears unlikely...) The Wicked Twisted Road (talk) 03:45, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Took it straight from the wiki article, and didn't have a speedy deletion attached or anything attached, but we can drop it. Albertaont (talk) 03:57, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
    • Can't have fair use images on the MP, needs to be free. --LaserLegs (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose as stale per Kingsif. Sorry, we can't just post a minor update to the story just because nobody nominated it at the time the news broke. The ship breaking in two is only covered by a small paragraph, which says that 166 tonnes of oil were on board at that time, a small percentage of the overall spill total. I don't see the break up as very important in the overall story.  — Amakuru (talk) 06:58, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
  • The wreck breaking up is not a minor update, it will significantly complicate cleanup and wreck removal efforts --LaserLegs (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

RD: Murtaja Baseer

Article: Murtaja Baseer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Daily Bangladesh, The Business Standard
Credits:

• Nominated by PCN02WPS (talk · give credit)
• Created by Taslimul (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Nahian (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Bangladeshi painter, died from COVID complications. Short but sourced. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 17:17, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Article looks clean for RD as well. RIP. Ktin (talk) 18:40, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Insufficient depth of coverage about his career as a painter. Article at present has more info about things that he wrote rather than painted. Spencer^T•C 04:07, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) MS Dhoni

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Article: MS Dhoni (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ MS Dhoni announces retirement from international cricket (Post)
News source(s): hindustantimes
Credits:

• Nominated by Mr.Mani Raj Paul (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 Indian cricketer retire from international cricket Mr.Mani Raj Paul - talk 15:19, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

• Snow close we have routinely rejected retirements from ITN. --Masem (t) 15:22, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

• With the notable exception of Sachin Tendulkar. I don't know if Dhoni's status in India is comparable. P-K3 (talk) 15:36, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

• And Alex Ferguson IIRC. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 15:44, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

• Agree w. Snow close But, will add that he was a good captain of the Indian Cricket Team and will be missed. Ktin (talk) 15:26, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose and suggest SNOW close — doesn't belong at ITN. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:09, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for multiple reasons, including, but not limited to: lots of orange tags in the article, multiple unsourced statements, the second half of the article is really terrible, and he's still going to play cricket. But apart from that... Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:41, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

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August 14

Portal:Current events/2020 August 14

August 14, 2020 (2020-08-14) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir, Revocation of the special status of Jammu and Kashmir Islamist insurgents kill at least two police officers and injured another in Srinagar, Jammu and Kashmir, India. The attack comes days after the first anniversary of the revocation of Kashmir’s constitutional autonomy. (Reuters) Moro conflict Moro National Liberation Front chairman Nur Misuari surrenders Abduljihad Susukan, a sub-commander of the ISIL-affiliated Abu Sayyaf militant group, to the Philippine National Police in Davao City, following the latter's involvement in the 2015 Roseller Lim and Samal Island kidnappings and beheadings. Susukan surrendered to Misuari in April 2020. (AP via CBC News) Arts and culture Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on the arts and cultural heritage COVID-19 pandemic in the United States, COVID-19 pandemic in New York City New York Governor Andrew Cuomo says that museums and cultural institutions in New York City will be allowed to reopen on August 24 at a 25% capacity. (The New York Times) Disasters and accidents 2020 wildfire season 2020 California wildfires The Lake Fire in Santa Clarita and Palmdale grows to over 10,000 acres, prompting evacuations in the Lake Hughes area. (CBS News) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in France France reports 2,846 new COVID-19 cases in the last 24 hours, as well as more than 12,300 new cases this week, making it the highest number of cases since the lockdown was eased in May. (The New York Times) (The Telegraph) The government declares Paris and Marseilles as "active zones", or high-risk zones. The move allows local authorities in those designated areas to impose restrictions. (DW) COVID-19 pandemic in Spain Amid an alarming increase in COVID-19 cases, the government of Spain closes all nightclubs and bans smoking in public sites in the event that the social distancing is not assured. (CBS News) (Politico) COVID-19 pandemic in Greece Greece announces that they would limit public gatherings to 50 people and impose a midnight curfew on bars and restaurants in Athens and other areas. This measure is to last until August 24 in parts of the country where infection numbers have risen. (Greek Reporter) COVID-19 pandemic in New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announces that the current Alert Level settings will be extended for another 12 days. (Newshub) COVID-19 pandemic in the Philippines Education Secretary Leonor Briones suspends the commencement of the 2020–21 academic year for primary and secondary schools until October 5 due to the continuous rise of cases in the country. (Kyodo News via The Mainichi) International relations Travel restrictions related to the COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Germany, COVID-19 pandemic in Spain Germany declares all of Spain except for the Canary Islands a high risk region following a spike of COVID-19 cases in the country. Designations as risk regions are typically followed by the German Foreign Ministry warning against touristic travel to those areas and mean people returning from those areas face a test or two weeks' compulsory quarantine. (France 24) Belarus–Lithuania relations, 2020 Belarusian presidential election, 2020 Belarusian protests Lithuania becomes the first EU state to openly reject the legitimacy of Alexander Lukashenko as President of Belarus. Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda says "We can not call Mister Lukashenko legitimate because there were no free democratic elections in Belarus". (Urdu Point) Sanctions on Iran The United Nations Security Council has resoundingly rejected a United States bid to extend a global arms embargo on Iran. In a Security Council vote, United States only got support from the Dominican Republic for its resolution to indefinitely extend the arms embargo on Iran, leaving it far short of the minimum nine "yes" votes required for adoption. Eleven members on the 15-member body, including France, Germany and the United Kingdom, abstained while Russia and China opposed extending the ban but did not need to use their vetoes. (Al Jazeera) (The Guardian) Law and crime 2020 Belarusian protests Amnesty International says "widespread torture" is taking place inside detention centres in Belarus, with more than 6,700 people detained since protests against Lukashenko broke out following the disputed presidential election result. Amnesty International says detainees described being stripped naked, beaten and threatened with rape. The BBC also reports evidence of torture, including at the Okrestina detention centre in Minsk. (CNN) (BBC News) 2020 Thai protests Thai police arrest a student leader over an anti-government protest last month. The student was arrested in the outskirts of Bangkok while traveling to a protest. Human Rights Watch reports that he will be charged with breaching multiple laws. Police declined to comment when contacted by Reuters. 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(Posted) New 5000 metres world record

Articles: Joshua Cheptegei (talk · history · tag) and 5000 metres world record progression (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ugandan athlete Joshua Cheptegei (pictured) sets a new world record in the 5000 metres. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Ugandan athlete Joshua Cheptegei (pictured) sets a new world record in the 5000 metres track event in Monaco.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Ugandan athlete Joshua Cheptegei (pictured) sets a new 5000 metres world record.
News source(s): BBC, Eurosport
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Kiril Simeonovski (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This is a notable achievement given that Bekele's record stood for 16 years – the longest duration in the history of the event. I've updated the athlete's article with a paragraph at the end and packed it together with the immediately preceding information of the same kind in a new "World records" section. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:19, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support in principle, but article needs work with pre-IAAF citations and some increase in prose size. the first "Career" paragraph not having a terminal citation and an uncited table. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 22:54, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment source the competitions table in the Cheptegei and bold it in the blurb and I'll support. Why not? --LaserLegs (talk) 22:55, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done Makes sense as the athlete's article seems to be the only place where a sensible prose update can be made.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:14, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support I’m surprised that the main track world records aren’t ITN/R. Breaking one of those records is the biggest event in athletics after the Olympics. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 23:25, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Support WP:BLUELINKs for the International competitions section is good enough for me. Decent bio. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:26, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support per above; Cheptegei smashed the record. Kingsif (talk) 23:30, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support amazing feat. Agree with LaserLegs' suggestion on format and glad it was implemented. StarM 23:41, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose incremental change in extant world record is trivially fascinating, but not encyclopedically newsworthy. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 23:55, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. I am not too knowledgeable about this topic, but, is this a significant barrier that has been broken, e.g. the four minute mile, when it was broken? I understand that this particular record was not broken for the last 16 years, but, is there something very specific about this one? PS: I am not implying that I am supportive of only the four-minute-mile kind of records. Just trying to understand this one better. Cheers. Ktin (talk) 00:24, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
  • If you look at {{Athletics events}} there are the standard lengths for sprint/race events, so basically each of those in the "track" section all have time records for mens and womens that have been improved over and over through the years. Why those lengths, I'm sure there's a history to that, they're not arbitrary but those are the lengths that we deal with in these records. It's not like tomorrow, someone's going to submit the record for a 7500m sprint, as that's simply not a "standard" track event length. --Masem (t) 00:32, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

    Masem, Thanks. My question was not if there would be 7500m next, but, if this was a significant barrier being breached. However, I do get the drift, now, of what is being spoken here. Cheers. Ktin (talk) 02:12, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Though cool and interesting, it isn't in global news nor is it more encyclopedically newsworthy than the other entries currently on ITN, including the Beirut explosions, Belarus protests, along with others. Weak support Though the guy smashed the record with an amazing feat, it still isn't the most notable or newsworthy entry. However, changing to support because of the longevity of previous record. Make sure to include this in the blurb.~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:36, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
  • This is just the opposite bad argument of "nothing's happening in the news right now, so let's post this non-notable story" IMO. Not to get OTHERSTUFFy, we posted Kipchoge's sub-2 hour marathon, as well as other Marathon records being broken so I believe running records being broken are ITN material notwithstanding what else may be in the box. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 00:48, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• There are far too many athletic events to post every time a record is past in any of them. If there was some consensus around some of these being the "premiere" events, I could support that. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:04, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Yep, just wait until the Olympics in 2021. We'll post every record for every athletic events in the Olympics, and WP:ITN/C will be WP:ITN/Athlete-ticker. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 01:11, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Barely Support A full two seconds would be "smashing", but one-ninety-nine counts as dashing. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:44, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

  Hulk, isn't one-ninety-nine equal to two-thirty-nine in this world? :) Ktin (talk) 04:33, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

  Humour I sense, but from whence forty cents? InedibleHulk (talk) 05:31, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

  Oh, oh, oh! Almost two minutes and five thousand metres. That's much longer! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:08, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

  InedibleHulk, lol, I see we are breaching the space-time continuum here :) Ktin (talk) 22:12, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Article has no quality issues and the story is covered by reliable sources. Checks all the boxes.--Jayron32 02:52, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support no quality issues regarding the article whilst grammar also improved. 114.125.231.93 (talk) 04:16, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support. The record had stood for 16 years, so this wasn't a regular occurrence. ITN can't be all doom and gloom. -- Calidum 04:40, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Broken records don't have to be ITNR, we can still discuss them individually, but given the longevity of the previous record this seems notable enough to me.  — Amakuru (talk) 06:16, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Interesting news for ITN. Gotitbro (talk) 06:26, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support, looks ready JW 1961 Talk 14:36, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support - Definitely for ITN.BabbaQ (talk) 14:47, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support per all above. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:10, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Another awesome Lugnuts creation. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:09, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posting. --Tone 17:57, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Post-posting minor blurb edit request -- Please can we consider changing the blurb from "Ugandan athlete Joshua Cheptegei sets a new world record in the 5000 metres." to "Ugandan athlete Joshua Cheptegei sets a new world record in the 5000 metres track event." or maybe even say "...track event in Monaco.". Alternately, please consider a concise form "Ugandan athlete Joshua Cheptegei (pictured) sets a new 5000 metres world record." Currently, the sentence seems to end abruptly "...in the 5000 metres". I have updated the Altblurb and the more concise Altblurb2 as well.

PS: Apologies for this after-fact request.Ktin (talk) 18:55, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

• Post-posting Question What happened with the image? Most if not all of the supports mention nothing about the image so shouldn't the image be posted? I'll notify Tone just in case this is a mistake. Dan the Animator 19:21, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

  Image would be good to include Dantheanimator, along with the minor tweak to the ending of the blurb. thanks! Ktin (talk) 19:28, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

• Image added. Protection at Commons doesn't happen automatically, so there can sometimes be a delay in posting the image after adding it to Wikipedia:Main Page/Commons media protection. Spencer^T•C 19:40, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

  Spencer, Thanks. Please can you also see the blurb. Currently, it is hanging abruptly, "...in the 5000 metres". Ktin (talk) 19:48, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

• • Fixed blurb. Thanks for the pic update. --Tone 19:53, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Julian Bream

Article: Julian Bream (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian, Classical Music
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Guffydrawers (talk · give credit) and Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Famous guitarist. A vital topic but just rated as start-class currently. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:31, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support This article seems great.--AlphaBeta135 (talk) 16:38, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

• Yes, but it actually needs a few sources adding. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:44, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Sourcing needs improvement.—Bagumba (talk) 16:46, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

•  Done Please review. Grimes2 (talk) 15:47, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose — sourcing is very spotty, as there are many paragraphs that are unsourced. I've added citation needed tags to said paragraphs. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:16, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

*Weak Oppose it's almost there, just a few more in-text refs needed. Dan the Animator 19:37, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support per Martinevans123 Dan the Animator 20:17, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support. No citation needed tags seem to remain, thanks to the laudable efforts of Grimes2. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:06, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posting, nice work with fixing the refs! --Tone 20:35, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Luchita Hurtado

Article: Luchita Hurtado (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by NoonIcarus (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Venezuelan-born painter, died at 99, named to the 2019 Time 100 list of influential people. NoonIcarus (talk) 17:59, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose I have to oppose because there's nothing in the article saying that she died. Also, there is a lack of sources. Support If the article is expanded and improved, then I will change my vote to support. Changing to support. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 22:32, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

@Destroyeraa: Comment It appears that further details and sources have been included. --NoonIcarus (talk) 12:26, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support — looks fine to me. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:18, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Lead needs to summarize her life beyond one sentence.—Bagumba (talk) 17:06, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Bagumba: Fixed now. —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:56, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support as the problem Bagumba noted has been fixed, look ok for RD now JW 1961 Talk 10:29, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted—Bagumba (talk) 11:17, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

(Closed for now) Borisov pledges to resign

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Article: 2020 Bulgarian protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov pledges to resign and proposes amendments to the constitution amid continuing protests. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borisov pledges to resign if the nation's National Assembly passes his motion to call for a constituent assembly to change the nation's constitution after continued protests against him.
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Nominated by Dantheanimator (talk · give credit)
• Created by Gerg2013 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Goodposts (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Very important development in the protests. Per Slavi Trifonov, this is akin to Borisov becoming "the official leader of the protests against himself". Dan the Animator 18:23, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

• Wait the change over will be ITN/R --LaserLegs (talk) 18:58, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
• Conditionally support wait until he was actually resigned. per LaserLegs, I will be in ITN/R. 114.125.230.158 (talk) 20:32, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment. A change in PM is not ITNR unless as part of general election results. 331dot (talk) 22:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
• Wait This is a definitely wait. If all conditions come to pass, its ITNR, but a pledge based on an expectation isn't newsworthy at this point. --Masem (t) 22:32, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
• Wait until he actually resigned. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 00:38, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support, but not right now. Absolutely worth posting especially since we seem to be into Prime Ministers resigning lately, but I'd wait till he actually leaves office. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:25, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Wait Per above, till it actually happens. Gotitbro (talk) 06:28, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
• Wait until he resigns. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:19, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) Lithuania rejects Lukashenko

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Article: Belarus–Lithuania relations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Lithuania becomes the first EU state to openly reject the legitimacy of Alexander Lukashenko as President of Belarus. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Following a disputed presidential election, Lithuania becomes the first EU state to openly reject the legitimacy of the 6th term of Alexander Lukashenko.
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Dantheanimator (talk · give credit)
• Created by Groubani (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Maybe this can be merged with the current Belarusian events that are posted? Dan the Animator 18:31, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose the protests are in the box, this is incremental and inconsequential. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:59, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Agree with LL. We can't post every step in this process. 331dot (talk) 19:03, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Per 331dot and LL. Will be Belarus-ticking if we post every step of the process.~ Destroyeraa🌀 19:38, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment maybe the posted Belarusian event should be edited to reflect this change? I'm not sure how editing posted noms works so I'm not sure if this is possible. Dan the Animator 19:40, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

  I think it would be undue to elevate the rejection from a single nation to ITN. Perhaps if a few more nations follow suit. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 20:03, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

  Agree with Coffeeandcrumbs. Only one country rejected the government isn't that noteworthy. Wait until more information comes out. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 20:12, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

  It might be notable if Russia announced they no longer recognized the incumbent president, though that seems unlikely. 331dot (talk) 20:36, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose this is only a minor detail in the overall story. power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:37, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Rejects Hezbollah as well today, so Beirut's also "by the way". InedibleHulk (talk) 21:56, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

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August 13

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August 13, 2020 (2020-08-13) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan August 2020 Afghanistan attacks At least four people are killed and another six injured by a roadside bomb exploding in Panjwayi District, Kandahar Province, Afghanistan. (TOLOnews) Business and economy Apple Inc. litigation, Google litigation Epic Games sues both Apple Inc. and Google in an antitrust case after the removal of Fortnite from the Apple App Store and Google Play earlier in the day, alleging that the two companies hold an unfair monopoly over development for their respective ecosystems. The game was removed for implementing a feature allowing Epic to directly sell microtransactions while bypassing the 30% cut imposed on developers per transaction by both Apple and Google. (The Verge) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Asia COVID-19 pandemic in India The number of new COVID-19 cases in India rises by nearly 67,000, a record high since the pandemic began. (Hindustan Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Iraq Iraq reports the highest single-day increase of over 3,800 new COVID-19 cases in the last 24 hours. (Arab News) COVID-19 pandemic in Spain Spain reports 2,935 new COVID-19 cases in the last 24 hours, which is the highest number of new cases since the lockdown was lifted in June. (Reuters) Galicia bans smoking in public places over concerns that it increases the risk of COVID-19 transmission. (BBC News) The Canary Islands also intend to ban outdoor smoking when social distancing cannot be guaranteed to prevent the spread of COVID-19. The smoking ban will take effect tomorrow, and wearing face masks will be mandatory in all public spaces. (RTÉ) COVID-19 pandemic in Venezuela With 12 deaths, Venezuela reports its deadliest day since the beginning of the pandemic. (EFE) Governor of Capital District Darío Vivas dies from COVID-19. (El Confidencial) International relations Travel restrictions related to the COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom The United Kingdom imposes a two-week quarantine for travellers or people coming from France and the Netherlands, as well as Monaco, Malta, Turks and Caicos, and Aruba. The measure will take effect on 04:00 BST on Saturday, August 15. (BBC News) COVID-19 pandemic in Italy Italian Health Minister Roberto Speranza signs an order requiring anyone arriving from Croatia, Greece, Spain, and Malta to be tested for COVID-19 in an attempt to avoid a spike of new cases in the country. The country is also banning travellers from Colombia over concerns of new infections. (Swiss Info) (Euronews) Iran–Saudi Arabia relations The Saudi ambassador to the United Nations, Abdul Aziz al-Wasel, calls for an extension of the arms embargo on Iran saying that Iran "smuggles weapons to militias to disturb the peace in the Middle East". (Al Arabiya) Hezbollah foreign relations Lithuania labels Hezbollah a terrorist organization and bans its members from entering the country, according to a statement by the office of the foreign minister. (Al Arabiya) Greek–Turkish relations France deploys two Dassault Rafale fighter jets and the frigate La Fayette to the eastern Mediterranean because of tensions between Greece and Turkey over oil and gas exploration in disputed waters. French President Emmanuel Macron says the French military will monitor the situation. (BBC News) Foreign relations of Israel, Arab–Israeli peace projects The United States, Israel and the United Arab Emirates announce in a joint statement that Israel and the UAE will establish normalized diplomatic relations, in exchange for Israeli suspension of plans to annex occupied West Bank territory. (BBC News) Law and crime Face masks during the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States COVID-19 pandemic in Georgia Georgia Governor Brian Kemp drops his lawsuit against Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms over the city's mask mandate. (ABC News) Politics and elections 2020 Belarusian protests A 25-year-old man from the city of Gomel becomes the second protester killed since protests in Belarus against the government began. He died while in police custody, according to his family. (The Guardian) The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet condemns the use of violence by Belarusian authorities against protesters, and calls for the release of all political prisoners in the country. (BBC News) Belarusian women form human chains to condemn a crackdown on protests over the disputed election. (BBC News) Factory workers from state-run factories joined the protest. Tens of thousands of people protested for the fifth day in a row against the election results. The protesters marched through Minsk and formed human chains. (Reuters) 2019–2020 Lebanese protests, aftermath of the 2020 Beirut explosions Parliament approves a state of emergency in Beirut and grants the military sweeping powers, such as declaring curfews, preventing public gatherings and censoring the media, as well as referring civilians to military courts over alleged security breaches. Human rights groups criticize the decision. (AP) 2020 Bolivian general election The interim government of Bolivia confirms that the elections will be held on October 18. Anyone who tries to change the date may face penalties. Opposition parties called to have the elections sooner after the elections earlier this year were postponed because of COVID-19. Protesters have blocked streets and protested calling for the elections to take place sooner, after it was announced in July. The European Union and United Nations support the new election date. (Reuters) Politics of North Korea Kim Tok-hun is named the new Premier, succeeding Kim Jae-ryong. (Shine)

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(Posted) Israel–United Arab Emirates peace agreement

Article: Israel–United Arab Emirates peace agreement (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israel and the United Arab Emirates agree to normalize relations. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Israel and the United Arab Emirates sign a peace treaty, agreeing to normalize relations and suspend the proposed annexation of the Jordan Valley.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The United Arab Emirates becomes the first Gulf Arab country to sign a peace treaty with Israel.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Israel and the United Arab Emirates agree to a peace deal to normalize relations.
News source(s): BBC, NYTimes, WAPost
Credits:

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Zvikorn (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Developing. Breaking news. Sherenk1 (talk) 15:27, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Wait Support until more information comes out. Currently only 1 sentence in the entire article about this. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:46, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Will change to Support if there is more information on the article than a few sentences. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:59, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Destroyeraa I changed the target article. It is a decently long article. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 17:50, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Changed to Support per others. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 20:15, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment - Note as per BBC: The agreement marks only the third Israel-Arab peace deal since Israel's declaration of independence in 1948. Egypt signed a deal in 1979, and Jordan in 1994.Sherenk1 (talk) 15:51, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Sherenk1 and also the 3rd Arab country to establish diplomatic relations/official recognition or Israel. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 16:52, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment – Unlike any other Trump-related announcement, this seems very significant. I think the article needs further development. The 2020 Agreement section needs a bit more expansion and there is one uncited paragraph. There is also a new article Israel–United Arab Emirates peace treaty to consider. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 15:51, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support This is a historic deal. The third peace agreement between Israel and an Arab state. CMD (talk) 15:55, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support on principle per all. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 15:56, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Historic. Israel–United Arab Emirates peace treaty should be the target. 212.74.201.229 (talk) 16:10, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

They haven't signed a treaty yet, even if they intend to. 331dot (talk) 16:13, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support very historic, I'd even say another 2009 Nobel Peace Prize for breathing might be in the works for people although this one might be deserved for a peace deal between two nations. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 16:20, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Wait until its signed, which should be RSN. This should give time to get the details and articles up to speed. But this seems to have clear merit if this is true, since it has Israel agreeing not to touch the West Bank. --Masem (t) 16:22, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Masem no, Israel is agreeing to delay/pause/freeze any territorial acquisitions/annexation of the West bank (namely the Jordan Valley). The accord does not mean Israel won't annex Jordan Valley, it just means it will be delayed until further notice. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 17:59, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Wait. This could be worth posting if/when it happens, but an announcement by Trump is not a reliable indication that anything will actually happen. Modest Genius ^talk 16:24, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Wait Needs more information, not enough text at ANY Wikipedia article about it to assess for quality, needs more details at Wikipedia. --Jayron32 16:35, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support in principle but Wait per Masem JW 1961 Talk 16:37, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support and proposing alt blurb. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 16:41, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Very Strong Support Thank you Sherenk1 for posting this, I was considering to post it until I saw that you already did. This has got to be one of the biggest improvements for peace in months not only in the Middle East, but for the world. If this holds, the UAE is the 3rd Arab country to officially have diplomatic relations with Israeli. שלום בבית שלום בעולם. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 16:48, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Wait per Masem above; support once signed. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 17:04, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Wait These "peace treaties" have a history of falling apart at the last minute. Lets wait till the formal signing. We need more than just an annoucement from US administration. Albertaont (talk) 17:26, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

  Albertaont, do you mean the joint statement from Israel and the UAE? Sir Joseph ^(talk) 17:39, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Weak Support as the agreement is just one step away from signing this peace treaty.--AlphaBeta135 (talk) 17:50, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support it's only the 3rd Arab League country to sign a peace treaty with Israel, previous ones being in 1979 and 1994. 2601:602:9200:1310:C32:F8B2:ACB9:6FF9 (talk) 18:36, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support since the agreement and formal anouncement was made, a retaraction of the deal is highly unlikely and therefore I believe this news should be displayed now. Additionaly, it is verified to be true as it was mentioned by the Israeli prime minister and the UAE ruler, both crediting President Trump. As mentioned by others, this is historic. Chessedit (talk) 19:08, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Strong Support As they user who firstly updated the article I can say that it is an historic deal than is obviously worth inclusion in the news. Idan (talk) 20:55, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support mostly because there's a newly created article in decent shape. Per WP:ITN, "an editor may write an in-depth update on a topic normally considered marginal, thus convincing commenters that it is deserving of inclusion." Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 21:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support as historic event, information now supported by several credible sources, and with a good article on this event shaping up. --Chefallen (talk) 22:11, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I see 5 Waits and 13 Supports. There is 0 Opposition. I think this has the consensus to be posted. This is ready. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 22:12, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Support Interesting and certainly more relevant than the Indian plane crash. I say put it up but only if it replaces that, the rest of the things in the box are more important This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:18, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Orbitalbuzzsaw I think it may be possible to put all of them up at the same time; no removing necessary. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 23:24, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Dantheanimator} If that's possible it would be good; you could also get rid of the golf line. I've only ever seen 4 articles at a time on ITN though so IDK. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:15, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Orbitalbuzzsaw I would imagine that the reason the admins don't post more than 4 usually is for lack of space but considering that 1 of the events, the PGA win, is only 1 line long, I think that may make just enough extra space for 1 extra 1-line event. You're probably right though, they're probably going to remove 1 of the events (preferably the PGA win, in my opinion). Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 01:49, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support altblurb2 Very significant development in IR. Gotitbro (talk) 01:32, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be "The United Arab Emirates" not "United Arab Emirates"? This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:04, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, good catch Orbitalbuzzsaw. Fixed it just now. Dan the Animator 02:09, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, altblurb2 was indeed sensationalist as noted below. Significant nonetheless. Gotitbro (talk) 06:26, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose – All the current suggested blurbs. No treaty has been signed yet. Alt2 is also a little too similar to how a newspaper would sensationalize this story. We are an encyclopedia. Just state the facts similar to Alt1, but without saying it has been signed: "... agree to a peace accord to normalize ..." --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 02:57, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posted. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:04, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

  King of Hearts, the article does not say the agreement has been signed. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 03:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

  Post-posting Edit to Blurb Required. Hey folks. They have not signed a treaty as of yet. Can we edit the blurb, please. Ktin (talk) 03:16, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

  Fixed. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:15, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

  Thanks King of Hearts. Minor Edit - "Israel and the United Arab Emirates strike a peace agreement to normalize relations." can we change this to "Israel and the United Arab Emirates agree to a peace deal to normalize relations. Alternately, substitute 'deal' with 'accord' as Coffeeandcrumbs suggests. I have updated AltBlurb3 as well. Cheers. Ktin (talk) 03:26, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

  Blurb edit request: The current blurb has a grammar mistake in it. It currently reads "Israel and the United Arab Emirates agree a peace deal to normalize relations." but it should be "Israel and the United Arab Emirates agree to a peace deal to normalize relations." (emphasis added) --Gimmethegepgun (talk) 05:52, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

  Tagging Stephen to assist. Ktin (talk) 06:09, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

 Note: A corresponding error report has also been posted at WP:ERRORS. TribunalMan (talk) 05:59, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done. As I noted at ERRORS, "agree a peace deal" seems like valid grammar to me - perhaps it's an ENGVAR thing. Anyway, "agree to" works just as well, so I've amended it to that. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 06:43, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

That's an ENGVAR issue all right. "Agree" without the "to" is British English. – Sca (talk) 13:38, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

• King of Hearts per the discussion at WP:ERRORS and the RM at the article talk page, please could we remove the word "peace" from the current blurb? Onceinawhile (talk) 19:49, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

August 12

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August 12, 2020 (2020-08-12) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Operations Claw-Eagle and Tiger, Iraq–Turkey relations Iraq cancels a ministerial meeting and summons the Turkish ambassador as Iraq blames Turkey for a drone strike that killed two high-ranking Iraqi military officers. Officials called it a "blatant Turkish drone attack" in the autonomous Kurdish region in northern Iraq. (Al Jazeera) Insurgency in Cabo Delgado Islamist insurgents linked to ISIL seize control of the port city of Mocímboa da Praia in northern Mozambique, after days of heavy fighting with government forces. Soldiers reportedly abandoned their positions and fled the city on boats after becoming outnumbered, as several fellow soldiers were killed by the militants. (BBC News) Clashes between armed civilians and soldiers in Tonj, Warrap, South Sudan, during a disarmament exercise leave 127 dead since Saturday, an army spokesman says. 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(Posted) RD: Mac Jack

Article: Mac Jack (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Independent Online, News24
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Lefcentreright (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: COVID-19 death. LefcentrerightDiscuss 21:46, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Short but basically adequate and decently referenced. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:11, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support short article but sourcing seems good. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 05:15, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Comment Not a name a lot of households could put a face to, but one all English-speaking people might reasonably enjoy reading and find intriguing. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:37, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose lots of facts in the infobox not referenced. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 06:45, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Ah, lay back with the flack attack and cut Mac Jack some slack, brother! If you say they're a lot of facts, isn't that proof enough? I believe you, anyway. Any you're doubtful about to some problematic degree? I'll try to sniff out the truth, no promises though. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:13, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Many of the dates of office and preceding/followed by are not mentioned in the prose at all and are hence unverifiable. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 07:24, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

I hadn't realized things had gotten that bad, I'm out! InedibleHulk (talk) 07:42, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support - decent enough for RD.BabbaQ (talk) 08:17, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment - @InedibleHulk and The Rambling Man: Go take a look now. You could've just looked in the sources. LefcentrerightDiscuss 14:22, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Weak oppose Similar to many politicians nominated at RD, a lot of positions listed, with limited if any description of what was done or accomplished in those positions ("resume in prose format"). Otherwise decently referenced. Spencer^T•C 16:09, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support per above. Should be satisfactory for RD. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 17:06, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Article looks good. RIP. Ktin (talk) 17:12, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support - I've fixed up refs for most of the dates and predecessors/successors in the infobox. I think the others are in the prose. Marking as ready, unless anyone can spot any other errors.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:14, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support and while I "could've just looked in the sources", that's not really the point. Good to go. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:24, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• This is ready I'm counting 7 Supports and 1 Oppose. This should be ready for posting then. Dan the Animator 02:06, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posted to RD  — Amakuru (talk) 12:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Stonehaven derailment

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Stonehaven derailment (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Three people are killed when an HST (similar trainset pictured) is derailed near Stonehaven, Aberdeenshire, United Kingdom. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, [CNN],
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)
• Created by AimeeSunflower (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Madscotinengland (talk · give credit) and Pigsonthewing (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Deadliest derailment in UK since the Grayrigg derailment in 2007. Mjroots (talk) 15:33, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support dead people, trains, Europe: it ticks all the notability boxes. Infobox, background, aftermath/reactions section: ticks all the quality boxes. Don't delay, post today! --LaserLegs (talk) 16:12, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oh and we snow closed in just 4 hours a story from the United States ... I mean, if that doesn't elevate this to speedy post I can't think of what will. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:14, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• As much as I appreciate supports for articles I nominate, that smacks heavily of sarcasm and is not constructive. We can manage without that sort of thing. Mjroots (talk) 16:19, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Many people comment here without having their remarks stricken, and I would appreciate the same consideration. 100% support posting this item for the reasons given. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:26, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• You have made your point; I suggest that you drop the stick. 331dot (talk) 16:54, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support First fatal UK derailment for 13 years, deadliest for 16 years, so certainly notable enough, appears to be internationally covered. Article is fine. Black Kite (talk) 16:23, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose death toll is too low. My Afghan nom even had a higher death toll (when including Taliban) and it was flat-out rejected. Personally wouldn't be surprised if all the British Wikipedians vote this in in the next few hours. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 17:22, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Or maybe just the Jocks? But that's not how ITN/RD works, is it. (?) Martinevans123 (talk) 17:28, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• There is no WP:MINIMUMDEATHS, for a very good reason. Mjroots (talk) 17:37, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• So you're opposing this because your nomination was rejected? People's nominations get rejected all the time; "mine didn't get posted so this one shouldn't" isn't a particularly good look. Black Kite (talk) 19:04, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Weak support: A fatal rail accident in the UK is incredibly rare since Ladbroke Grove (1999), you can count the fatal incidents on your fingers, and the ones involving infrastructure failure on one hand. International coverage seems to bear that out; it's on the top few lines of cnn.com, for example. OTOH, three deaths is a bit too low. We put Croydon in ITN, but that had double the death toll. Sceptre (talk) 17:38, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• This is pretty notable in context. Three fatalities doesn't sound like many and this would have been normally a busy train. But there were only 6 passengers in total? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:43, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Martinevans123 give me a good explanation of how this is notable. So far, it seems the main reason people support this is because: British people died in a train accident (first since 1999 for the UK). Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 18:04, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

I was suggesting it might be more notable as half the passengers were killed. I'm not sure the article tells us their nationalities. But I'm sorry, your suggestion might give offence to some editors Martinevans123 (talk) 18:07, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

But just for complete clarity: "The train was carrying six three crew and six passengers. Three people died including the driver and a conductor."

Sorry if I sounded like that. I am not trying to offend anyone at all and was trying to prove my point. Maybe it might be notable for that reason but the accident itself relies more on more casualties or larger reach of impact of which, it fulfills neither. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 18:12, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure how a rail crash is going to have "larger reach of impact". In the context of UK rail safety, this one seems to be quite notable. But I guess headlines across the work rely more on death-count. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:16, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support - This sort of accident simply doesn't happen very often, and contextually for that reason, it is notable and in the news.--WaltCip-(BLM!Resist The Orange One) 17:46, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

  WaltCip maybe in the UK, no, but in other places in the world, yes. I'm looking at my (American) news and don't see it. Maybe I should try looking at Chinese news (probably won't see it either) or Indian news (highly unlikely). Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 17:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

  Also an oil spill happening in Mauritius (the worst in the country's history).

  It's all Greek to me? Or Russian? ... Blackburn anyone? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:04, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

  When beggars die, there are no comets seen, and no ITN nominations either. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 18:08, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

  Still trying to fathom that comment. Do hope it's not about cheese-eating surrender monkeys, etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:28, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

You have to go below the surface for that one. – Sca (talk) 22:21, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• p.s. very surprised no-one has nominated MV Wakashio oil spill. An ecological catastrophe. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

  Agreed. We definitely let that one slip by. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 01:06, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

  Bzweebl I'm really sorry for not nominating this one; I was planning, along with some the Koure shooting and others, to nominate it but didn't have the will to do it. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 01:14, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. The death toll was low, and ultimately this was a weather event more than a railway one, as I understand it arose because of flooding in the area. If we don't post deaths and destruction from hurricanes, then we also shouldn't for floods.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:50, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Amakuru: Actually, we don't know this yet. The fact the rear locomotive stayed on the rails suggests it might not have been weather-related. Black Kite (talk) 19:07, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support - This is now more deadly than Grayrigg (linked above) and is the deadliest rail accident in the UK since the Ladbrook Grove Rail Crash in 1999. It is major-UK news, and should be recognized by Wikipedia. Unfortunately, it seems some users are opposing it as a matter of sour-grapes because their nominations have previously been declined. AimeeSunflower (talk) 18:04, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

AimeeSunflower this has nothing to do with my previous nom (I just brought that up as a comparison). Looking at this alone, this is a domestic accident that will be forgotten by nearly everyone by the next day and has no significance/notability outside the UK. Please take a look at some non-UK news sources, please. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 18:14, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Dantheanimator It's on the CNN Frontpage, ABC News Frontpage, VoiceOfAmerica Front Page, Bloomberg, AlJazeera, ABC News Australia, France24. It is Major Global News, it is newsworthy. AimeeSunflower (talk) 18:23, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

AimeeSunflower for the CNN one, it is in small text and has no image. For ABC news, also small text, no image. For VOA, it is NOT on the front page (at least of their website). For Bloomberg, also not on front page. For Al Jazeera, you have to scroll down a bit and it's relatively smaller than the others. For ABC News (Australia), you are correct, it is the 2nd featured article. For France24, it is also relatively featured. However, for all these news websites, Harris' nomination got the most featured spot, and that won't even be posted probably. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 18:32, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Dantheanimator it's on the VoA Front Page at https://www.voanews.com/ as part of the Headline section, with the listing as "Passenger Train Derails in Scotland; 'Serious Injuries' Reported". You've also above mentioned that you probably wouldn't see it in Indian or Chinese news, so have a Times of India and South China Morning Press article, to top it off. AimeeSunflower (talk) 18:38, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

AimeeSunflower, I don't know where you're seeing that. I went to the homepage and in the "Headlines" section, it says Australia COVID-19 record, UN support to Beirut, Mali protests, Ethiopia tensions, and 3 dead in India. Maybe your geo-location is being used to create recommended headlines? I honestly don't know. For the India and Chinese (Hong Kong actually) sources, it is not featured/shown on Times of India and is very minor on the South China Morning Press. They obviously have articles, but their not receiving much attention. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 18:52, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Dantheanimator on VOA's website, it's certainly there for me, you may be right as to geolocation. But with respect, you told me to look at non-UK News Sources, so I did, and provided multiple links. CNN actually covered it on TV with a Live link from a reporter of theirs in Glasgow, it is showing (for me) on the front page of multiple global news sites, it is a fatal rail crash, of significance to the Rail Industry, the UK public, and clearly global news media. The Grayrigg derailment made ITN on the day of the incident. There is precedence for this, it has made Global news, it involves fatalities, again, I emphasize, it is newsworthy and In The News. AimeeSunflower (talk) 19:02, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

AimeeSunflower Yeah you did, and I appreciate it. Definitely other media sources are covering this (maybe with not as much focus though I would argue). I agree with you, it is important for the Rail Industry and the UK public. For the global news media, I still don't think it's getting the attention it should if it was that important. About Grayrigg, "X made it so Y should too" cannot be used to support this, regardless of the similarities. I have other things to do so I'll just leave it at that and we'll see how the nom plays out. Cheers, Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 19:26, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Weak oppose doesn't seem to be quite newsworthy enough outside of the UK. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support it's been and still is headline news all day today in the UK, and as above, features prominently around the world. As noted above, fatal rail accidents in the UK are rare as rocking horse poop. And while the death toll is low here, thankfully, it's worth bearing in mind that it killed a quarter of the people on the train. Just about the only thing we can be thankful for Covid, that the train was mostly empty. This is a serious newsworthy incident which could have been dozens of times worse. Will be interesting to see what comes of the investigation as there seemed to be an awareness of flooded tracks and the potential for land slippages earlier in the morning.... The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 18:31, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Lets discuss the Harris nom in the Harris nom
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
The Rambling Man Harris' vice presidential nomination is getting significantly more coverage than this, and will likely not be posted because of alleged US bias. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 18:34, 12 August 2020 (UTC) Dantheanimator - long-standing consensus is that VP noms and Presidential noms do not get posted. As is explained at the current nomination in plain English. Mjroots (talk) 18:38, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Likely to yet again prove that rail safety in Britain, as opposed to other well developed nations, is achieved more by luck than judgement. A very noteworthy event in the land that invented the railways, a country which is in the process of building a very expensive high speed line that uses a whole bunch of safety critical things that are entirely new to the British rail industry. Jenga Fet (talk) 18:46, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

And if we ever see HS2 North of the border, I'll eat my hat. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:59, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Jenga Fet everything you said supports this because it's important in Britain. How is it important/notable OUTSIDE of Britain/UK? Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 18:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

It doesn't need to be. Read the boilerplate text about nominations. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 18:58, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

"Please do not... [...] 2.oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive." AimeeSunflower (talk) 19:03, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Not sure this would even make the top 100 worst transportation accidents of the year. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 19:07, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Weak oppose (At the moment). Article has quality/factual issues - e.g 'Location' discussion in Talk Page. At least wait for reliable sources for the facts? --2A02:C7F:48DA:6F00:8DBC:197E:20A7:348C (talk) 19:09, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support - Per good sourcing, per extensive coverage from world media. Per being unusual accident and deaths.BabbaQ (talk) 19:51, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Major accident which would have had a lot more casualties in pre-COVID times.-- P-K3 (talk) 20:22, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• That seems to be effectively the same as “would have been more newsworthy pre-COVID.” Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 20:35, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• No, what it means it would have had a lot more casualties pre-COVID. Read it again. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Do you honestly believe that our difference of opinion is because I didn't read his/her comment carefully enough? Please try to avoid snark, especially because it usually causes the recipient to double down rather than reconsider. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 23:27, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Bzweebl: Whether you read the comment carefully or otherwise, you do appear to have misunderstood it. It means that the number of passengers on the train, and thus the number of deaths, is artificially low because of Covid-19. If significance was judged solely on the number of deaths then the comment could be construed as meaning it would have been more newsworthy had it happened 9 months ago. Of course significance is not judged by bodycount alone so the logic fails. The comment is saying that because Covid-19 and the associated movement restrictions and societal changes, etc. are a thing three deaths is more significant now than three deaths would have been this time last year. Thryduulf (talk) 23:44, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

  I actually did understand that. My point was that train accidents are less significant when not many people are riding trains. I guess I should have been more explicit. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 00:02, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. Relatively routine accident, trails derail all the time, local news. Sandstein 20:33, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

  Maybe where you live! The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 20:50, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Actually TRM you're right. This is over here (the link only shows for NYC, so excluding most of LIRR and other rail services in the state). Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 21:15, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Weak support Article looks good. I've read through a lot of the comments above and it seems to me that it is being covered internationally, that the notability stems from fatal train crashes being uncommon not just in the UK but in parts of the world with normally good infrastructure, and that on top of this a very high percentage of those onboard died (due to low ridership, COVID), so it's likely a more fatal incident by death rate (25%!) than most (even in countries-with-many-crashes). Weak support because I'd like to hear more opinions, though preferably not petty ones, to see if there are arguments/angles I haven't considered this from. Usually with this many comments a lot of the metrics for 'train crash' have been weighted, but so far the comments seem to be mostly different debates on UK-centrism; I'm not a train expert, if there's context/mechanics I'm missing, I'd like to hear it. Kingsif (talk) 20:35, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support - We posted a bus plunging into a river in China only months ago. HSR derailments are exceedingly rare everywhere, and means something went VERY WRONG. At a minimum, service on the line is cut, and this will likely end up resulting in engineering changes to some portion of the line or train in the future.Albertaont (talk) 20:40, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Not to argue but I remember when a LIRR train derailed last year over here. Nearly no-one in my school mentioned it the next day, it was barely in the (major not local) news, and we all just forgot about it. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 21:10, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

"No one injured", you think that have something to do with lack of interest? And LIRR and HST aren't really comparable either. And fatal train derailments in the UK are extremely rare in the last 20+ years. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:15, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Oops, just realized I linked the wrong one. Sorry about that. This should be the correct one. 3 people died in it. If this is the right one, the day this happened trains got delayed for hours. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 21:22, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Uh, that's nothing like this. This is a derailment of a high speed train. That was a slow motion road traffic accident which killed the people in the vehicle which was stupid enough to try to run the lights at a crossing. You're not comparing apples with apples. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:27, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Also, just awaiting a link to another source that says "Nearly no-one in your school mentioned it the next day". Cheers. :) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose – 1-2-3 fatalities? Below the radar unless they were terribly important people. – Sca (talk) 21:48, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
  • @Sca: Missing the point. 3 deaths out of 9 on board. Pre-covid the train would have been packed and there would have been many more deaths and injuries. There has not been a fatal rail accident in the UK for 13 years, and this is making headlines in other countries as well as being major news in the UK. SK2242 (talk) 22:15, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Yes, completely missing the point. (a) fatal rail accidents in the UK are rare-as. (b) as noted several times, it was a significant proportion of those travelling onboard who died. (c) Global news. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:18, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh yes, global indeed – in fact, interplanetary; it's already been in the news on Ceres, I hear. – Sca (talk) 22:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC))

👏👏👏 The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:47, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support:--UkrainianCossack (talk) 22:07, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support for reasons given above. SK2242 (talk) 22:15, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I've marked this for admin attention because it's clear the discussion is simply devolving into circular repetition. The basic facts are that a high-speed train derailed in the UK with fatalities for the first time in a long time, that it killed a significant proportion of those onboard a Covid-impacted train, and that it has ramifications to UK rail safety. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:24, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

  Oh, Stephen removed the mark, suggesting that there was active discussion. There's discussion, but it's not productive. Never mind, what's yet another timesink in the big scheme of things? The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 23:00, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose – We don't post everything that makes major news. When considering disasters, we should consider lasting effect and large impact. IMO, this does not appear to have that. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 22:32, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Major news in the UK - the most significant rail accident in the UK in over 10 years, the most deadly in over 20. As a proportion of people on the train killed/injured this is likely to be the most significant in far, far longer. As for lasting effect, this will be at least as significant as Grayrigg 13 years ago where the lessons learned are still being applied. It's too early to say precisely what those lessons will be, but it doesn't take a crystal ball to say that there most definitely will be some. In terms of major impact, how much more major do you want? [I consider myself to involved with this article to post it myself]. Thryduulf (talk) 22:35, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. A train with only 9 people on board, 3 killed, too small of an accident despite various tortured explanatious to the contrary above. Nsk92 (talk) 00:05, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose — pushing this reeks of UK-bias. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 00:07, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Agreed; we are getting into bizarre levels of UK bias here. Never before have I seen it suggested that the PROPORTION of passengers killed makes an event noteworthy. We post things because they are significant, not because they might be significant under different circumstances. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:03, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I counted 13 Supports and 10 Opposes. I think if 1 or 2 more people vote on this, we could either post/close. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 01:09, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Does not seem a homepage news article. Also, agree with some of the folks here that Proportion seems the wrong metric. In the recent aircraft incident, this metric was at less than 10pc. One would wish it was 0pc though. Anyways, not the right metric.Ktin (talk) 01:14, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Update - While it need not be the definitive reason, I just went to bbc.com, and this news doesn't even figure in the homepage. Ktin (talk) 02:05, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose Conceding it's the first fatal rail accident in the UK in a while, we are still only talking about three deaths. That's just not enough for me. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:01, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose if this event's only claim to notability is its three deaths, it's so very, very minor in a world where thousands of people die every day from Covid. Banedon (talk) 03:17, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
  • By that logic we would never be able to post anything ever.  Nixinova   T   C   03:50, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Weak oppose: the rarity of the event gives it some notability but this seems minor overall.  Nixinova   T   C   03:50, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• COMMENT - I've marked this as "admin attention required". IMvHO, it should be posted. Many of the opposes are based on the event happening in the UK, which is against the guidance as quoted by AimeeSunflower at 19:03 yesterday. It is really time this one was decided on one way or another. If it is decided that it won't get posted, then I'm big enough to accept that. It's nice to get an ITN, but these are bonuses. We have a decent article which will improve further as time goes on. My thanks to all editors who have worked to improve the article. Mjroots (talk) 05:04, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Why was the train running with so few people on board? Yes, it was an accident, but the impact is not that significant. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 05:14, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Suppose there was no train, just mass hypnosis again, see? InedibleHulk (talk) 05:44, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Are people really opposing/supporting this for the sake of it? Anyway, this isn't significant enough even for a derailment (we have already rejected quire a few disasters with significantly higher destruction and deaths not sure why this would be any special). Gotitbro (talk) 07:29, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) Vectaerovenator inopinatus

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Article: List of informally named dinosaurs (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A new species of theropod Ornithischian dinosaur called Vectaerovenator inopinatus is discovered on the Isle of Wight, England. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Palaeontologists at the University of Southampton report the discovery of a new species of theropod dinosaur called Vectaerovenator inopinatus on the Isle of Wight, England. The species belongs to the same group as the Tyrannosaurus, and modern-day birds. It lived roughly 115 million years ago during the Cretaceous period.
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

• Nominated by Dantheanimator (talk · give credit)
• Created by IJReid (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Zigongosaurus1138 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: First new Dino species I've personally heard about in a while. The ITN section would also benefit from some non-political related coverage. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 17:10, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment. Oppose. I am always positively inclined toward science (and related) news items. However, here we seem to be linking to an article titled List of informally named dinosaurs. I am wondering if the question is going to be - is this newsworthy enough, if the discovery does not warrant (or at least has not warranted) a new article page by itself? Ktin (talk) 18:06, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose This article contains just one short section about this dino species.--AlphaBeta135 (talk) 18:38, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose for now this taxon is going to be formally named (and therefore get its own article) within this week according to the lead author, the press releases were simply sent out too early by accident. IJReid ^{{{T - C - D - R}}} 20:34, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Close no consensus and way too early. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 00:57, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Classifying old fossils is not discovering new species. Paleontologists might have us believe it's as exciting. But it isn't. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:53, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

  IANA paleontologist, but I'm pretty sure that is precisely how we discover new species. 75.188.224.208 (talk) 12:22, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Furthermore The Isle of Wight was still a living piece of the mainland when this species actually did stuff, and framing it like this may give some members of the public another misconception about thunder lizards. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:40, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Zero impact on anyone and everyone. – Sca (talk) 13:07, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose and close. Linking to a list, not over the global news, not that notable. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 13:10, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

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August 11

Portal:Current events/2020 August 11

August 11, 2020 (2020-08-11) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Somali Civil War At least ten people have been killed in a shootout between jailed Al-Shabaab militants and security officers at a prison in Mogadishu, Somalia. An investigation is under way into how the militants obtained weapons, with some reports suggested that an inmate disarmed a warden and then a group of them raided the armoury. (BBC News) Afghan peace process Taliban spokesman Suhail Shaheen warns that attacks on newly freed prisoners will drive them back to the battlefield despite orders from their leaders. The government denies attacking, or re-arresting them without cause. (The Hour) Gaza–Israel clashes in 2020 Israel launches multiple airstrikes in the Gaza Strip after incendiary balloons launch from Gaza into Israel. (Haaretz) Benoît Maria, a French human rights activist who helped indigenous people in Guatemala, is shot dead while driving near San Antonio Ilotenango in Quiché. (BBC News) Business and economy Economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, COVID-19 recession Economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom The Office for National Statistics reports the worst quarterly job losses in the United Kingdom since the financial crisis in 2009. (BBC News) COVID-19 pandemic in Singapore Singapore enters technical recession for the first time in a decade after its economy contracts by 13.2% in the second quarter, which translates to a record 42.9% plunge in its annualised GDP. (The Straits Times) Facebook introduces new regulations blocking American publishers with political ties from running ads masquerading as news articles in its news section. (Reuters) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Greece Greece imposes a curfew on bars, restaurants, and cafes in several regions following an increase in COVID-19 cases. The curfew lasts from midnight until 7 a.m. local time. (ITV) COVID-19 pandemic in Russia, COVID-19 vaccine Russian President Vladimir Putin announces the approval of a vaccine against COVID‑19, named Gam-COVID-Vac, claiming it as a "world-first", amid continued concern and unanswered questions over its safety and effectiveness. (CNN) COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom The United Kingdom records 1,148 cases, their highest since June 21. (Reuters) COVID-19 pandemic in Oceania COVID-19 pandemic in Fiji Fiji suspends its seasonal ban on the harvest, sale, and consumption of coral trout and grouper to fight economic hardships during the COVID-19 pandemic. (RNZ) COVID-19 pandemic in New Zealand New Zealand reports its first cases of community transmission in 102 days, four cases in a single family. Auckland will move to Alert Level 3 from August 12 at 12 noon until midnight on August 14. The rest of the country will move to Alert Level 2. (New Zealand Herald) COVID-19 pandemic in Bhutan Bhutan imposes a nationwide lockdown after a locally transmitted COVID-19 case was reported in Gelephu town and the female patient had come in close contact with many people in Paro, Thimphu and several other places. (Business Standard) The total number of worldwide confirmed cases of COVID-19 surpasses 20 million. The United States remains the global leader of case numbers, accounting for more than 25 percent cumulative. (CNN) Natick, Massachusetts, issues town-wide water restrictions, limiting water use by Natick residents, in response to an ongoing drought affecting most parts of New England. (Patch) Law and crime Piracy in the Gulf of Guinea Three men are fined by a court in Port Harcourt, Nigeria, for hijacking the oil tanker MV Elobey VI off the coast of Equatorial Guinea and holding the crew hostage for US$200,000 in March. They are the first people to be convicted under Nigeria's new anti-piracy law. (Reuters) 2020 Bangalore riots The violent clashes took place in eastern Bangalore, Karnataka, India. The violence cause the death of at least 3 people in police firing while injuring 60 police personnel during the clashes. (The Indian Express) Politics and elections COVID-19 pandemic in the United States Face masks during the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States Marion County, Florida, Sheriff Billy Woods forbids his employees and those visiting his offices from wearing face masks in most circumstances. The Ocala City Council passed an emergency ordinance last week requiring people to wear masks inside businesses. Ocala’s mayor, Kent Guinn, vetoed the county rule on Monday. (The Ocala Star-Banner) (The New York Times) 2020 Belarusian presidential election, 2020 Belarusian protests Belarusian opposition leader Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya flees Belarus to her family in Lithuania, according to Lithuanian Foreign Minister Linas Antanas Linkevičius. Tsikhanouskaya had gone into hiding after the disputed election, which she accuses President Alexander Lukashenko of rigging. (Reuters) 2020 Egyptian Senate election Citizens of Egypt head to the polls to elect 200 members of the newly created senate. The new upper house of the parliament will be an advisory body only and is expected to be dominated by supporters of president Abdel Fattah el-Sisi. (Reuters) 2020 Malian protests Anti-government protests resume in the Malian capital of Bamako, as thousands take to the street demanding the resignation of President Ibrahim Boubacar Keïta after talks between the government and the protesters stalled. (Al Jazeera) 2020 Trinidad and Tobago general election Preliminary results see the ruling People’s National Movement winning a plurality of 22 seats in Trinidad and Tobago's latest election. The United National Congress is assumed to come in second with 19 seats. (Reuters) 2020 United States presidential election, 2020 Democratic Party vice presidential candidate selection Former Vice President Joe Biden chooses Senator Kamala Harris as his running mate, making her the presumptive 2020 Democratic vice presidential nominee. She is the first black woman and first Asian-American vice presidential nominee for a major party. (CNN) Science and technology French privacy watchdog group CNIL launches a preliminary investigation into TikTok, as part of a European Union-wide taskforce monitoring the app's operations. (Reuters) Sports Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on sports, COVID-19 pandemic in the United States Two of the "Power Five" conferences of NCAA Division I FBS, the Big Ten and Pac-12 conferences, postpone their fall 2020 sports seasons due to the COVID-19 pandemic. The Pac-12 also announces that winter sports whose seasons were scheduled to begin in calendar year 2020, most notably basketball, will not start play until at least January 1, 2021. (NPR) (ESPN)

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(Posted) RD: Russell A. Kirsch

Article: Russell A. Kirsch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Oregonian
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 05:02, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support short but decently sourced. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 05:12, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Passes RD requirements. Gotitbro (talk) 07:32, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Notable for his work. Though short, but decently sourced and other RD nominees that passed had even shorter articles. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 13:42, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 16:14, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sixto Brillantes

Article: Sixto Brillantes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Manila Times
Credits:

• Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
• Created by Vivafilipinas (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Editorial Cut (talk · give credit) and Howhontanozaz (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipino election lawyer. COVID-related death TJMSmith (talk) 04:25, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support short but well sourced. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 05:09, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment: Quote in Tagalog should be translated to English for the article, but otherwise, looks good to go. Marking ready. Spencer^T•C 16:12, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Still ready 15 hours later... The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 07:07, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posted to RD  — Amakuru (talk) 12:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) 2020 Democratic vice presidential candidate

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Article: 2020 Democratic Party vice presidential candidate selection (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Joe Biden announces Senator Kamala Harris as his running mate for the 2020 United States presidential election. (Post)
News source(s): CNBC, The New York Times, CNN

 2601:647:CB03:5930:1CB9:EEA9:3F27:738F (talk) 18:08, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose this seems a tad too US-centric; posting the result of the election in November is ITN/R but this, while hyped in the media in the U.S., doesn't seem appropriate to ITN to me. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:19, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Additional comment Tim Kaine wasn't posted in July 2016, and the discussion there mentions that Mike Pence wasn't posted either. Bencherlite, who closed that discussion, gave the following rationale: ITN doesn't give the results of the US presidential nominations race for the two major parties, so the name of a running mate isn't the stuff of ITN either. I think that rationale still holds. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:28, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

*Oppose for now per above but will Support if Carmont derailment is posted per same reason. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 18:22, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per above.
  • @Dantheanimator: was this vote meant to go in the section below? That seems a little more related to the Carmont derailment. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:31, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
  • I now see you've already voted there. Sorry! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:33, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
  • I dont understand Dan the Animator position, shouldn't all news be evaluated on its own merit?Albertaont (talk) 19:02, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. Thanks for the nomination, but the choosing of a candidate for office will almost never merit posting to ITN. If they win, that will be posted. I would gently remind the nominator that this is a global project and not everyone may be familiar with the subject matter. 331dot (talk) 18:34, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose and snow close per precedence mentioned above and general guideline of only posting the results of U.S. elections at the federal level. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 18:42, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support decent article, in the news, certainly worth posting. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:39, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support applying some decent common sense here, and noting that ITN is supposed to be highlighting articles that people are looking for, this is an IAR moment for me. Even in the UK we're quite keen on the Biden/Harris ticket and it's been subject of some discussion here, even though it's US politics. Of course, the new POTUS will be posted, but that isn't the actual point of this nomination really, is it? The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 18:46, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per same reasoning as CaradhrasAiguo. Furthermore, this is not the election, nor is it even the presidential candidate we have chosen.Albertaont (talk) 19:02, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose- I could see an argument for posting a primary victory, but selecting a running-mate is obviously much less important and is getting what I'd say is an unusually large amount of coverage in the States largely because electoral politics is a nice diversion from coronavirus. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 19:05, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

  But did we post Joe Biden's victory in the primaries? --212.74.201.229 (talk) 19:16, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

  Negative. The only U.S. presidential primary-related nomination was a blurb discussion about the Iowa caucuses in February that was not posted. Nothing more, which makes even less of a reason for this to be posted. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:27, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

  But you agree it's in the news right? Being widely covered in the US and around the world (not required, see above, but a bonus). I mean, should we reach out to major global media outlets and advise them to stop covering the announcement because you don't think it should be in the news? --LaserLegs (talk) 19:48, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

  @LaserLegs: I made no mention of whether I personally thought the pick should be reported by newsmedia, but rather just referenced the fact that (a) ITN did not post anything about Biden (or anyone else, for that matter) winning any individual primary or caucus, nor about him securing enough delegates to become the Democratic nominee, and (b) that a vice-presidential pick for one of the parties in a U.S. presidential election seems lesser than that, and in my mind wouldn't merit an ITN blurb either. I doubt we'll add a blurb about Biden officially accepting the nomination next week, so I don't think a vice presidential pick would merit a blurb. Let's keep doing what we've done in the past and stick to the result of the November election, as several other users have said. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 20:41, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Not significant, we limit to actual election results. Gotitbro (talk) 19:43, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support Wouldn't normally support a VP nom (Tim Kaine? Yawn) but the historic nature of Harris as the first woman of colour to be on the ticket just tips the balance.-- P-K3 (talk) 20:27, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Mr. Van't Kruijs, Clinton's formal nomination at the Democratic National Convention Jul 2016 (and as the first woman atop a U.S. major party POTUS ticket) was declined here, nor was there even a peep when she had "clinched" enough delegates in the primaries on 7 Jun 2016. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 20:36, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Weak support. Domestic politics, but making major international news beyond one day. Sandstein 20:34, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – She's only a veep candidate. – Sca (talk) 21:54, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – We should wait for the final results as we do with any national election. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 22:34, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose domestic politics that only involves one party. Quite frankly I'm gobsmacked that this was proposed and hasn't yet been snow-closed. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) 2020 Bangalore riots

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Article: 2020 Bangalore riots (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 3 people are killed in a riot in Bangalore, Karnataka, India. (Post)
News source(s): Newsweek, SCMP, Deutsche Welle
Credits:

• Nominated by Invisible Lad (talk · give credit)
• Created by Branstarx3 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by YoloSCIS (talk · give credit), BO3064 (talk · give credit) and BhaskaraPattelar (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: I hope this doesn't fall victim to the usual GEOBIAS. Invisible Lad (talk) 16:51, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Invisible Lad at "least 3 people are killed". How is this at all notable enough for ITN? Also, currently we have an India ITN event (and previously had 2 plus 1 Sri Lankan) and there's also 1 other Asian one so if we're going to talk about Geobias, this being nom'd would be the exact opposite of fair coverage (more people died in terrorist attacks everyday in Africa and those are almost always rejected). Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 17:16, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Per Dan above, for both death terms and recent geobias (ironically enough Somalia just had a terrorist attack with a higher death toll). Gotitbro (talk) 19:48, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Wait Apparently if you go back to one of my earlier opposes, the consensus was GEOBIAS is not a valid criteria for consideration even with other ITN in the same area (I don't agree, but it was community consensus). Having said that, this article is written well and if riots go on for another 1-2 days, maybe better rationale to post. For now, pre-mature.Albertaont (talk) 20:09, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – 1-2-3 fatalities? Below the radar unless they were terribly important people. – Sca (talk) 21:57, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality – The death toll is not the important aspect. Civil unrest often have long-lasting effects on national politics. For that, I would support. However, the language and word choice employed in this articles stinks of POV. It needs work. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 22:38, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

This feels like an extension of the anti-CAA protests which festered in ongoing for 7 or 8 months, and the Ram Temple which we've posted twice. There is obviously religious conflict being fomented in India. Not sure this little outburst fits the bill. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:01, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

I tend to agree. Perhaps, we should wait and see. I do not think, however, this nom should have a quick close. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 23:22, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

LaserLegs No this is not any such extension of Anti-CAA and no one is opposing Ram Temple (as it is order from Supreme Court & Archaeologists have proved that there was Ram temple before Babur destroyed it to build mosque ) hence it is no such protest but a riot planned by sub-groups of banned Popular Front of India alongwith Social Democratic Party of India maybe for political reasons in Karnataka. Branstarx3 (talk) 00:45, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Sumner Redstone

Article: Sumner Redstone (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNBC, NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by PCN02WPS (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Williamsdoritos (talk · give credit), President-Wiki-Man (talk · give credit) and Liebertk (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American businessman and media magnate PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:37, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Support looks to be in decent shape. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 17:18, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Has been in decent shape even before the recent demise. Gotitbro (talk) 19:49, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose "Career" section has quite a few unsourced and sparsely sourced paragraphs.—Bagumba (talk) 11:40, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Several paragraphs in the Career section with no references. P-K3 (talk) 12:29, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• @Bagumba and Pawnkingthree: Sourcing has been updated, please take a look. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:53, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Nice work, still some chunks of the article that could use some referencing. Not sure how much of some of the specific company details belong in Redstone's article versus an article about the company. Spencer^T•C 16:21, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Spencer: I'd be happy to add more references if you'd let me know where they're needed. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 17:28, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• @PCN02WPS: CN tags added. Some of the things like how a takover made "Viacom one of the top players in modern media" could potentially be removed if there's not a ref for it and it doesn't contribute specifically to the article. Spencer^T•C 19:12, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Spencer: cn tags have been taken care of. Again Bagumba and Pawnkingthree please re-evaluate as well. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:07, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

  PCN02WPS, good progress! I've tagged 3 more that I found.—Bagumba (talk) 16:22, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Bagumba: just took care of those. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:30, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 16:44, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Trini Lopez

Article: Trini Lopez (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by CoatCheck (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: If I Had a Hammer singer (or at least one of them) and Dirty Dozen actor. COVID-19 CoatCheck (talk) 01:46, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support - As far as I can see sourced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 06:57, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• @Spencer, Stephen, and Amakuru: I think this may be ready to go. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:23, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C

(Closed) August 2020 Midwest derecho

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Article: August 2020 Midwest derecho (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A rare derecho storm causes widespread damage and affects millions in the Midwestern United States. (Post)
News source(s): The Weather Channel (1)(2); Associated Press (1)(2);The Washington Post
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gwenhope (talk · give credit)
• Created by SuitcaseFan17 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Large-scale, newsworthy natural disaster caused by rare type of wind storm (derecho). Sources compare damage to hurricane winds, of which the storm's peak matched in wind speed. Gwen Hope (talk) (contrib) 22:04, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose A large tree fell down and crushed half a Subaru across the street from me (in Chicago) due to this. However, this does seem parochial overall. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 22:06, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

  John M Wolfson, I'm confused how a massive multi-state weather event which left millions with utility outages, spawned five tornadoes, and destroyed roughly 1/3 of the crops on Iowa's agricultural land is "parochial" Gwen Hope (talk) (contrib) 23:35, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

  It's parochial in that it does not appear to have much significance outside of the United States; while that's not fatal to the nomination per the "please do not..." section, there appear to be thankfully zero deaths so far and little long-term impact, so I don't think this suitable for the Main Page. (We also didn't post Hurricane Isaias, another storm doing storm things that was otherwise transitory.) – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

  John M Wolfson, indeed, the deaths are minimal (only two confirmed so far, mass injuries, however). Regardless I think it could be useful additionally considering these storm types are relatively rare, especially ones that last this long and get this big. However it doesn't really fit a WP:DYK type. Gwen Hope (talk) (contrib) 23:44, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

  The Midwest is 3 times the size of France or Ukraine. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:30, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support in the news, decent article. Highly developed countries with strictly enforced building codes have lower death tolls but that doesn't lessen the notability of the event. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:47, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

  How do we measure the impact of the event if not by its death and destruction? GreatCaesarsGhost 12:40, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

  Geographic area, intensity (and frequency of occurrence at that intensity), economic impact, people impacted but not killed, coverage in the news of course and article quality are the most important and that's just what I came up with on short notice. [removed smug racist fuckwittery--Floquenbeam (talk) 20:05, 12 August 2020 (UTC)] Developing countries always have higher death tolls because of weakly enforced or lax building codes along with under developed emergency services so that even a routine weather event results in causalities and we lose our minds and post these stubby, inevitably orphaned articles to the main page.--LaserLegs (talk) 12:58, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support The equivalent of a Category 3 hurricane. Highly unusual event. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:56, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

• @King of Hearts: Actually, it only caused 100 mph winds. Category 2-equivilant. Also, you say it was a highly unusual event. Derechos literally happen three times every month between March and September in the US. See List of derecho events if you don't believe me. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:53, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Doesn’t seem to be getting front-page coverage on US news websites. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 00:02, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose I got smacked by a freak derecho once. It was weird and crappy, I survived in an average house and to this day, I still find myself telling people who weren't there how weird and crappy it was. In other words, local story; maybe a legend in time, but never a blurb. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:18, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

That said, this one is weirder and crappier than mine, on account of the dead or missing cornfields. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:25, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose lots of things are going on which "affect" lots of people. This is just American weather. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 07:30, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose in worldwide terms, this does not appear to be a particularly devastating weather event. Power cuts and property damage occur in every big storm. Natural disasters need to be much more significant to justify posting in ITN. The article seems suitable for WP:DYK though. Modest Genius ^talk 11:02, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Lacks general significance. Parochial. (If it were British weather, it would be nooz, tho.) – Sca (talk) 15:15, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Dan the Animator (Commons Room) 17:19, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Weak oppose per InedibleHulk. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:39, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for supporting my argument, it was this close to utterly collapsing! Don't jump on my bandwagon, though, it hasn't rolled right since "the storm". House still stands! InedibleHulk (talk) 04:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Would have been ITN worthy were there any significant deaths or destruction. Gotitbro (talk) 19:52, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Now, I might be biased because I lived through the event and just got electric service back nearly 60 hours later, but it had a fairly large swathe of destruction (Sioux Falls to Chicago via Des Moines). This was not a typical American weather event. The fact that it affected mostly corn and not people shouldn't diminish the storm's notability. –Fredddie™ 03:38, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

EDITOR'S NOTE: Iowa is basically a 58,000-square-mile (145,000 square kilometers) cornfield, roughly the size of Bangladesh. – Sca (talk) 13:21, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

That is absolutely a reason to diminish its notability. Similarly large storms occur frequently in Antarctica or the Southern Ocean, but are considered non-notable because only penguins and seabirds are affected. Modest Genius ^talk 14:34, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

PS: I thought a derecho was a lizard. – Sca (talk) 15:00, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose and close Only killed two people, spawned 5 tornadoes, and affected some corn farmers. If you didn't post Hurricane Isaias, which killed 18 people, spawned 37 tornadoes, and caused $4.2 billion in damage, then it will be a joke posting this! ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:49, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose The usual power cuts and property damage but thankfully only two deaths, this doesn't meet the significance bar for me.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:46, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) Ceres

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Article: Ceres (dwarf planet) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Analysis of the Dawn fly-by of the dwarf planet Ceres (pictured) establishes that it is an ocean world. (Post)
News source(s): Guardian; Nature Astronomy; Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: The story should be taken with a pinch of salt as there's the usual hype about the prospects of finding life but Nature are making a big splash by publishing seven papers. If we don't list such missions when they launch, we should give them some attention when the results are analysed and reported. The Ceres article seems to need updating but it's a former featured article and vital so I'm not rushing at it. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:43, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

• Conditional support If as big as it seems. News still seems fuzzy here. Kingsif (talk) 10:33, 11 August 2020 (UTC) Oppose per MG Kingsif (talk) 14:53, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Conditional support - I have to agree with Kingsif here.BabbaQ (talk) 11:50, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Conditional support per all. A cursory glance of the article (via Ctrl-Fing "ocean") doesn't mention it AFAICT, much less explain its significance. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 11:59, 11 August 2020 (UTC) Oppose per MG. I knew it didn't look like an ocean world. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 12:28, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. I'm close to having a CoI here, but will comment anyway. Ceres has long been known to have active geology and subsurface brines, which are responsible for the surface salt deposits and cryovolcanism, both known since 2016. These latest results fill in some of the details, but Ceres having ocean-level amounts of water is not a new discovery. It's also not really an ocean, but a layer of rock which is saturated with brine, so the blurb is misleading (it wasn't a Flyby either). None of the papers were important enough to publish in Nature itself, just three subsidiary journals owned by the same publisher. The source linked to above is from Nature Astronomy, not Nature, and is over-selling the importance because it's advertising work published in the same journal. Finally, the results are so confirmatory that the article itself has received no update whatsoever. Modest Genius ^talk 12:06, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

It's really a good thing we have actual scientists here who can let us know when we're falling prey to pop science journalism.--WaltCip-(BLM!Resist The Orange One) 12:18, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per Modest. "Vital" or not, it's not newsworthy. Next. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 12:50, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Ditto. Decidedly underwhelming. – Sca (talk) 13:20, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Doesn't appear to be significant per the above comments, including the nominator. Gotitbro (talk) 14:48, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• History As the timescales for this mission were even longer than Brexit, I was curious to know what ITN said about it over the years:

ITN nominations about Ceres/Dawn

Year	Status	Blurb
2007	Posted	The NASA spacecraft Dawn is launched on a mission to explore mainbelt asteroid Vesta and dwarf planet Ceres.
2012	Posted	Dawn leaves Vesta
2014	Posted	The dwarf planet Ceres is observed to be releasing water vapor.
2015	Posted	NASA's Dawn spacecraft enters the orbit of the dwarf planet Ceres.
2017	No consensus	Scientists report the detection of aliphatic organic compounds on dwarf planet Ceres.

So, no results since Dawn arrived at Ceres. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:03, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment since this is probably toast anyway, we should wait until the inners have stripped all the ice from Ceres and the belters riot after Mars destroys the Canterbury --LaserLegs (talk) 15:17, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Let's wait until Elon arrives on Ceres. – Sca (talk) 15:34, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm waiting for The Boat Race on Ceres. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:38, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Zero gravity rowing klaxon!!!!!!! --LaserLegs (talk) 15:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Based on how difficult it is to complete 18 to 20 minutes of rowing on the Thames, perhaps "zero gravity" (which of course it wouldn't be zero) is the way ahead. O';;l suggest it. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:43, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Doubtful significance. – Ammarpad (talk) 19:14, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support According to The Guardian link, this is the first time hydrohalite has been observed outside of Earth. If that's pop science, then colour me a monkey's uncle. Jenga Fet (talk) 19:56, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Coincidentally, I had a dream about hydrohalite last night. It was terrifying. – Sca (talk) 21:34, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment suggest this is closed as not newsworthy and with a very strong consensus against a very poorly updated article. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:44, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) Gam-COVID-Vac

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Article: Gam-COVID-Vac (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Russian Gam-COVID-Vac becomes the first registered vaccine against COVID-19. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Russia registers first COVID-19 vaccine — which will be called ‘Sputnik V’ in foreign markets.
News source(s): [4] (USA Today); [5] (The Boston Globe); [6] (Süddeutsche Zeitung); [7] (The Globe and Mail); [8] (Ouest-France); [9] (Il Gazzettino); [10] (Firstpost); [11] (Anadolu Agency); [12] (Rbc.ru); [13] (Interfax); [14] (Vedomosti); [15] (TASS)
Credits:

• Nominated by Александр Мотин (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The first vaccine against COVID-19. Александр Мотин (talk) 10:31, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose This is definitely covered by the COVID box. (It would also be remiss to post this without mentioning that they allegedly stole it.) Kingsif (talk) 10:34, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

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@Kingsif: Stole it? It's seems to be a propaganda ploy of the countries with reduced scientific potential. --Александр Мотин (talk) 10:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC) ...yes, because clearly any country outside the US or UK is incapable of creating vaccines.Albertaont (talk) 14:05, 11 August 2020 (UTC) @Albertaont: The country which chose the President for the US people is much more capable of creating vaccines.--Александр Мотин (talk) 16:13, 11 August 2020 (UTC) Holy shit, he actually believes this article! Look at him! Look at him and laugh! --212.74.201.229 (talk) 18:25, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Posting about any vaccine for this should not even be considered until such a vaccine sees widespread deployment. TompaDompa (talk) 10:49, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

  "Widespread" is how much? You will tell us later? I'm not proposing to write "widespread", I propose to write "first registered" --Александр Мотин (talk) 10:53, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose we have the COVID box for this. ZettaComposer (talk) 11:16, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose any news outside of the banner (even a widespread vaccine) except for a definitive "end" to the pandemic, preferably by WHO proclamation. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 11:55, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - at this time. No.BabbaQ (talk) 11:56, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Please do not...
  • add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.--212.74.201.229 (talk) 18:29, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose flatly.--WaltCip-(BLM!Resist The Orange One) 12:18, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Please do not...
  • add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.--212.74.201.229 (talk) 18:29, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – There's many a slip. – Sca (talk) 13:24, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment Please do not...
  • add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.--212.74.201.229 (talk) 18:29, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
    • Sca gave a reason. You just need to brush up on your proverbs.-- P-K3 (talk) 18:59, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Propose - Propose to update the info-box for links to COVID treatments and COVID vaccines - we are now half a year in, and real progress has been made on both fronts and they are becoming popular articles, make sense to link them straight from the front page. -Albertaont (talk) 14:05, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

  It may be a good idea since there are many other vaccine candidates from other powerful research institutions and after today's event the readers' interest may increase many times.--Александр Мотин (talk) 17:55, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

  • Nice try mate, but we all know that if there's a vaccine ITN will post, it's the British one. Howard the Duck (talk) 18:02, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment I like the idea of updating the box on the top with a link to COVID-19 vaccine.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Sensational and redundant to Covid box. – Ammarpad (talk) 19:10, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose This has been described as a "political stunt"[16] and it widely controversial in the scientific community. Natureium (talk) 19:14, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

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August 10

Portal:Current events/2020 August 10

August 10, 2020 (2020-08-10) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Terrorism in Pakistan 2020 Chaman bombing A motorcycle bomb kills five people and injures 20 others in Chaman, Killa Abdullah, Balochistan, Pakistan. (Dawn) 2020 Democratic Republic of the Congo massacres Nineteen people are killed in massacres in three villages in Ituri Province in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. (Al Jazeera English) Business and economy McDonald's files a US$40 million lawsuit against former CEO Steve Easterbrook, equal to the worth of his severance package, for allegedly lying to investigators about the extent of his sexual relationships with three employees. (CNN) Toshiba exits the personal computer (PC) market after 35 years, by selling its final stake in PC manufacturer Dynabook Inc. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents 2020 Kerala floods A landslide during floods at a tea plantation in Kerala, India, leaves at least 49 people dead. It is feared that many more people are buried under debris. (Sky News) MV Wakashio oil spill Mauritian Prime Minister Pravind Jugnauth warns that the tanker may "break in two" as the country awaits help from other nations that have pledged aid amid a state of emergency. Jugnauth adds the nation lacks the skills and resources needed to relocate the wrecked vessel, and that the nation will likely never recover from the ecological damage done by the spill. (BBC News) (CBS) 2020 Volgograd explosion An explosion at a gas station in Volgograd, Volgograd Oblast, Russia, injures at least 13 people and creates a 1,000 m2 (11,000 sq ft)-sized blaze. It is believed that it was caused by an electrical fire. (The Independent) A gas explosion in Baltimore, Maryland, United States, leaves at least one dead and four injured. Homes were damaged or destroyed. (BBC News) August 2020 Midwest derecho A powerful derecho with winds over 100 mph sweeps across the Midwestern United States and leaves four dead and causes $11 billion USD in damage. Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Guam Guam Governor Lou Leon Guerrero tests positive for COVID-19. (Pacific Island Times) COVID-19 pandemic in Spain Spanish actor Antonio Banderas announces via Twitter that he has tested positive for COVID-19. (CNN) International relations Afghan peace process A day after the loya jirga approved of the release of "hardcore" Taliban prisoners, President Ashraf Ghani signs the order to release them. Taliban spokesman Suhail Shaheen says the Taliban "is ready" for talks. U.S. Special Envoy Zalmay Khalilzad welcomed the agreement. (Reuters) Law and crime Hong Kong national security law Hong Kong entrepreneur and pro-democracy activist Jimmy Lai and his son are arrested under the national security law for allegedly conspiring with foreign powers. He is so far the most high-profile figure to be charged under the law. The police also search the offices of his company Next Digital shortly after his arrest. Activist Agnes Chow was also arrested. (The Guardian) (South China Morning Post) Rioting and looting occurs in Chicago, U.S., after a police shooting. Thirteen police officers are injured, two people are shot, and more than 100 are arrested. (Chicago Tribune) A shooting involving the Secret Service occurs on Pennsylvania Avenue near the White House, Washington, D.C., U.S. A civilian, identified only as a 51-year-old man, has been transported to a local hospital. (ABC News) A US Air Force UH-1N is shot at near Manassas, Virginia, injuring one of two pilots while flying ten miles northwest of Manassas on a training mission at an altitude of 1,000 feet. It lands safely at Manassas Regional Airport west of Washington, DC, and the pilot is taken to hospital where they are treated and released. (CNN) Politics and elections 2020 Belarusian presidential election, 2020 Belarusian protests During the second day of protests across Belarus, police fire rubber bullets to disperse protesters in the capital Minsk, wounding a journalist. About 30 people are arrested in the city; some protestors were beaten by police. (BBC News) A protester in Minsk is killed after being shot by police officers. It is the first death during the protests. (Euronews) 2020 Trinidad and Tobago general election Citizens of Trinidad and Tobago cast their votes in the country's general election. (Foreign Brief) 2019–2020 Lebanese protests, aftermath of the 2020 Beirut explosions Prime Minister Hassan Diab announces the resignation of the entire government as protests grow over their handling of the Beirut explosions on 4 August. (Reuters) Sports Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on sports, COVID-19 pandemic in the United States The Mountain West Conference becomes the second NCAA Division I FBS league to call off its football season, as well as all other fall sports. This follows the lead of the Mid-American Conference, which announced an identical plan two days earlier. (Mountain West Conference) (ESPN)

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RD: Konrad Steffen

Article: Konrad Steffen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo, NYtimes
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Climatologist that helped identified issues of global warming on arctic. Died while out on research at an ice station on the 8th. Local papers reported on the 10 so placing here, but noting only wider attention as of last 24-48hr (12th-14th). Article seems well sources and no issues, and right now, not quite stale. Masem (t) 00:15, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Article seems okay.--AlphaBeta135 (talk) 21:54, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: P. J. Sheehan

Article: P. J. Sheehan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Irish Times; Irish Independent
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by EJL21 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 08:44, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose Short article but we're getting there.--AlphaBeta135 (talk) 12:25, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Yes it is a short article but it is pretty well referenced and up to RD standard JW 1961 Talk 20:26, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• @Spencer, Stephen, and Amakuru: I think this may be ready to go. —Bloom6132 (talk) 23:07, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 23:20, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

(Bumped) Lebanese government resigns

Articles: 2020 Beirut explosions (talk · history · tag) and Hassan Diab (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Lebanese government, including Prime Minister Hassan Diab, resign after the explosion in Beirut that killed over 200 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Lebanese government led by Prime Minister Hassan Diab resigns after protests, hyperinflation, and the explosion in Beirut
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TheEpicGhosty (talk · give credit) and Ardacebi (talk · give credit)

Both articles updated

Nominator's comments: Pretty self explanatory, but Diab's speech was an amazing acknowledgement of corruption and giving over to the will of protesters. Kingsif (talk) 18:04, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Weak oppose for now. The Hassan Diab article contains only a single sentence that says he resigned, and says nothing about his cabinet. I'm fine bumping the blurb and adding more information, but as yet the various Wikipedia articles you are highlighting are very light on relevant information and will need some expanding before we tell people they should read them. --Jayron32 18:08, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Bump This is a continuation of the existing blurb about the explosion. So, just update that blurb and bump it. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:29, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Question Didn't the hyperinflation also impact the decision? – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 20:47, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Yeah, it looks like some of the reason was pre-pandemic protests being renewed. Feel free to suggest alts, but I couldn't find a protests article for a blurb. Kingsif (talk) 20:49, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• another question. Is the government really the government? I read somewhere that the political leaders just report to some more powerful people behind the scenes, which was the same people before and after the "revolution" last year. Is that true? If so, we should probably nuance the hook accordingly. Apologies, by knowledge of the full situation is incomplete. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 20:51, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Every short-term government overlaps with longer-lasting lobbyists, priests, tribal leaders, bankers, generals, corporate officers and organized crime bosses. But "really" rarely matters here. The titleholders "rule". InedibleHulk (talk) 23:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Conditionally support It needs to update the previous blurb to include the aftermath of the explosion in the government such as resignation, at least bump the previous update and update with this. 36.77.94.89 (talk) 21:11, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 00:06, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Bump Definitely still biggest story in most western news after a week, and the resignation of the government is significant new development.Albertaont (talk) 04:22, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Major development, the blurb should make the bit about the explosion a bit more clear though. Gotitbro (talk) 05:52, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support - time for posting.BabbaQ (talk) 06:25, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Strong support Bump the previous blurb which posted before with newly update blurbs that includes aftermath of resignation. it is definitely biggest international news on the day. 182.1.26.10 (talk) 07:28, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support bumping blurb The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 08:00, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Bumping the blurb. --Tone 08:34, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Post-bumping comment the "protests" word needs to wikilinked, because they are already have a article about 2019–2020 Lebanese protests. 114.125.235.207 (talk) 08:53, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the article - I hadn't included 2019 when I looked! Kingsif (talk) 10:25, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
    • @Kingsif: I've now created 2020 Lebanese protests as a redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 12:26, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) 2020 PGA Championship

Article: 2020 PGA Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Collin Morikawa wins the PGA Championship for his first career major championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In golf, Collin Morikawa wins the PGA Championship for his first career major.
News source(s): Golf Digest ESPN
Credits:

• Nominated by Compy90 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bzweebl (talk · give credit), Amakuru (talk · give credit) and Wjemather (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Major championship in golf, fits with ITN:Recurring items criteria. Compy90🐉(talk) 10:04, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Updated with sufficient prose summaries.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:28, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Support. Minor update on blurb --> Altblurb. Looks good. Ktin (talk) 17:14, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Article is sufficient. --Jayron32 18:12, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support original blurb. Good prose summaries for each round. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 00:04, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose It's awful – like reading the sports pages in a tabloid newspaper rather than an encyclopedia article. It's clearly written for fans rather than the general reader as it's full of crufty line-scores and other stats. It assumes that the reader knows all about the rules of the game and the tournament format and it's riddled with jargon like "birdie" and "eagle" which are not explained. And it seems easy to find factual errors. For example, the lead says that it "had no spectators in attendance" but it's easy to find coverage which contradicts this: Steph Curry among spectators at PGA Championship in San Francisco. Andrew🐉(talk) 00:25, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

• This is more suitable as a complaint about golf tournament pages on Wikipedia in general than against this particular article. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 00:30, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• That is not an error. The event was closed to paying spectators. It's clear from reading the link that Stephen Curry was there as a guest of Jordan Spieth. P-K3 (talk) 00:47, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose for now on quality. I don't particularly agree with the general objection Andrew makes about the tone of the article - a golfing article would be expected to use golfing terminology. Birdie and Eagle are not jargon because many people such as myself, who don't play golf, nonetheless know what they mean. And the relevant articles are linked, for those who don't know the terminology. Our guidelines suggest targeting articles to those familiar with, but not necessarily expert in, a given subject. But a couple of Andrew's objections are valid. (1) The "Field" section is far too long and detailed, interrupting the flow of the article. It probably belongs in a subpage, with just a brief summary of how the field was chosen, and a few principal players, given here. And (2) the point about spectators clearly is an error, because Curry was a spectator. He wasn't there in any capacity other than to watch the golf. It sounds like that point needs to be nuanced. ITN articles don't have to be GA standard certainly, but they must still conform to basic structural norms. With a bit of tidying up this would be ready to go though.  — Amakuru (talk) 04:46, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
  • That is how all golf tournament articles are written. The place to challenge that practice is probably at WP:GOLF, not here. It shouldn't be valid to oppose this because of an objection to the way golf tournament articles, which have been posted at ITN many times before without objection, are written on Wikipedia. Regarding your second point, reliable sources reported that there were no spectators. Curry was apparently there as a "guest reporter".[17] Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 06:07, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
    • Wikiprojects form a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. The wider community here judges whether it's suitable to go on the main page.—Bagumba (talk) 06:34, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
      • In that case, if I don't want to see golf major championships barred from being posted at ITN again, I have to garner consensus for changing how the field sections of tournament articles are written? Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 06:43, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

  (edit conflict) I have no intention of challenging anything at WP:GOLF. WikiProjects don't define the basic rules for article structure, that's the job of the MOS, and it applies everywhere. As an aside, I've checked the stats for golf articles and it lists only two articles as FAs (one of which is Wii Sports, only loosely connected to golf) and nine GAs. There are no tournament pages included in those so we have no point of reference. The figures seem astonishly low for such a prominent subject, and suggest the project may not be very active...  — Amakuru (talk) 06:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

• I wasn't sure what "birdie" and "eagle" mean and so just had to look them up. And I bet if you asked the general public what "bogey" means in golf, you'd get a variety of amusing answers with "don't know" being a strong contender. A "hole-in-one" might be ok because it is self-explanatory but note that the phrase isn't used in the article even though there was at least one. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:09, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
  • The lead should be accessible, but those terms are in the body. A sports event article should not be expected to teach a newbie about the sport. Linking to common technical terms is generally sufficient.—Bagumba (talk) 11:31, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Switching to support - Following a productive discussion, and new edits by Wjemather, the Field section has now been rewritten to contain just prose, with the other info in a linked child info. My concerns are therefore now addressed, and I am switching to support on this candidate. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 12:37, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

*Oppose On article quality and prose. Gotitbro (talk) 05:56, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Support Appears fine or ITN now. Gotitbro (talk) 22:03, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

@Gotitbro: Yep, the updated version at the time you wrote this would have been fine, but unfortunately that improvement was reverted so it's now back at the unwieldy poor quality version.  — Amakuru (talk) 05:48, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose The "Field" section is unwieldy, and the bolding with linking is an eyesore. This isn't GA, but it's a large-scale failing of MOS:PSEUDOHEAD: Do not make pseudo-headings by abusing semicolon markup (reserved for description lists) and try to avoid using bold markup. It's screaming to be a table with minutiae moved to footnotes.—Bagumba (talk) 06:30, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Bagumba. And the summaries for the first three rounds don't really pass muster. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 07:59, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Seems like some here are trying to push the bar too high. The tone and style may be wanting, and the layout may not be ideal, however this meets the basic quality criteria for ITN – "Articles are held to a minimum standard of quality. Articles should be a minimally comprehensive overview of the subject, not omitting any major items." _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 11:59, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

  Entirely agree. Not sure why this article has attracted so many pile-on opposes when it's no worse than many other ITN/R sports items we've routinely posted. I thought the standard was sufficiently referenced with prose summaries.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:44, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

  Nope. Basic compliance with the MOS is also up there. We're showcasing this on the main page of our project, let's at the very least showcase the way articles are actually structured, rather than some bizarre format developed within one project and seemingly copied every year because nobody can think of anything better to do. As ever on this page, if people just made some basic changes, like those proposed by Bagumba above, this could just go straight up.  — Amakuru (talk) 19:45, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

  We posted both the Masters and the US Open last year which used an identical format. To suddenly declare that what was acceptable before is now unacceptable smacks of moving the goalposts for me. (Sorry, can't think of an equivalent golfing metaphor.) P-K3 (talk) 21:30, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

  Seems raising the bar without prior discussion or consensus to do so. I'm struggling to find the passage in the ITN criteria which mentions MOS compliance and to what degree it is necessary. For information, it actually quite closely replicates the format used by the major championships themselves for many years, and is to a degree still used by the USGA & R&A, so attacks on the project in this regard are somewhat unwarranted. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 22:29, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment I have edited the field section in accordance with the criticisms and suggestions of Amakuru, Bagumba, Gotitbro, and The Rambling Man above. Let me know if you have any further objections and I would be happy to work on fixing them. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 22:01, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

  Reverted due to making the information much less accessible and also losing several details. Changes in this regard would be better discussed centrally (suggest WT:GOLF), as there are many tournament articles with the same mos/formatting issues (as noted above). _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 22:16, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

  I've gotten myself involved in enough inane discussions here lately, I'm not interested in starting a new one over formatting at WT:GOLF. I guess this is the end of golf at ITN unless someone else wants to start working on changing this. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 22:24, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

  We shouldn't sacrifice content on the alter of MOS. It does no service to the encyclopedia. There are many ways of removing the bolding without losing content and accessibility/readability – your solution (moving most content – some would say the most important details – into footnotes) was not one of them. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 22:56, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

  I reasoned that was what everyone objecting here wanted since Bagumba suggested it and most other opposes were on similar grounds. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 23:09, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

  I think calling a section on the field "most content" and even "most important" is really a far stretch, I would say most people which would access this article from the front page would be interested in how the tournament actually played out, which is behind 3 full pages of rather trivial information for a non golf enthusiast. This big section actually hurts the readability. Chaosquo (talk) 07:12, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

  It shouldn't need spelling out, but I was obviously referring only to the content of that section. Misuse of footnotes is worse than perceived MOS transgressions. People are welcome to discuss ways of presenting the information better, in collaboration with the editors who do the bulk of the work in this area, but sadly it seems none here are willing (discussion started here). _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 09:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

  The topic under consideration is the 2020 PGA Tournament, and it should be clear by now from the number of objecters here, that the format of that article simply doesn't conform to Wikipedia guidelines on how to structure an article. I am happy to have a conversation about the details of this page, with a view to getting it listed at ITN, since that's the goal here. We can have that by WP:BOLDly trying different layouts on the page (which both Bzweebl and myself have now done), discussing it at the talk page, and coming up with a sensible compromise. But the starting point has to be that the previous format was not of sufficient quality, since multiple experienced editors have now made that same point here on this page. If we come up with a sensible way to present the info, then no doubt WikiProject Golf can incorporate that into their guidelines going forward, but non-members of that project are not bound by any edicts coming from "those who do the bulk of the work in this area", nor are those editors exempt from following the basic MOS guidelines. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:44, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

  The suggestion was only to engage with the golf project; that way when a format is agreed upon, past and future articles will likely follow the same standards (as it is those active project editors who will likely do the bulk of any remedial work). Otherwise we end up with this article and maybe a handful others being "fixed" and the rest not. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 10:07, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

  Yes, sure, engaging with the golf regulars, including yourself, is vital and no doubt they will also have good ideas about how to go forward. The more voices the better. I just think that in the immediate term, we should concentrate on the 2020 PGA as a concrete example that we can work on, hopefully with a view to getting it posted on ITN. If we try to fix everything at once, we won't have time for this one to be featured.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support. There have been numerous heavy changes to the article, but the current version seems fine to me. The information is there, the rounds have brief-but-adequate prose summaries, and referencing appears sufficient. Modest Genius ^talk 11:08, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't feel comfortable thrusting to the main page an article wherein an edit war is taking place.--WaltCip-(BLM!Resist The Orange One) 11:48, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Switch to support Tbe problem I had with the "Field" section is resolved with the spinout of 2020 PGA Championship field. With 100+ field, this is deserved and not a mere fork just to game ITN. Thanks to Bzweebl, Amakuru and Wjemather for carrying out the changes.—Bagumba (talk) 14:55, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posted Looks like issues have been addressed on the article talk page and consensus is in favor of posting. Spencer^T•C 15:24, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) Indian coal mine auction

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Articles: Coal in India (talk · history · tag) and Hasdeo Arand (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Development of 40 new coal mines in India threatens the virgin forest of Hasdeo Arand. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The indigenous virgin forest people of Hasdeo Arand feel threatened by the development of forty new coal mines in India.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Created by Bluerasberry (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Narayansg (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: As we're focussing on India, it is interesting to see what else is happening there. Modi isn't just building a triumphal new temple; he's planning to make India into "the world’s largest exporter of coal". Elsewhere, we have record summer temperatures but global warming isn't really news now, is it? Coalgate has been a scandal in India for a while and the focus of the current story now seems to be the threat to this virgin forest and its indigeneous people. The article about it is new and so perhaps needs expansion. We should move quickly because, if we wait, the forest won't be there any more. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:42, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose grossly repetitive stub which, having been created just days ago, gives some indication as to the relative notability of this "virgin" forest. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 08:59, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Notability? The other Indian stories which we are featuring are a hotel fire, a religious photo op and a plane skidding into a ditch. Which story is really significant? Andrew🐉(talk) 10:16, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• All red herrings. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 10:25, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oh and I must have missed the featuring of a hotel fire. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 11:24, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Who needs hotel fires when you've got all that cheap Indian coal? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:39, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• It was reading the nomination of the 2020 Vijayawada fire below which got me wondering what was really happening in India. That article is better developed than our article about the forest coalfield. If it bleeds, it leads. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:40, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support, if article can be expanded. An interesting and very worrying story that seems to be largely hidden from media view. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:15, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Oppose ...and if my grandmother had wheels, she’d be a bicycle. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:44, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose meh per TRM, the Amazon's more important. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 10:32, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Do you mean Jeff Bezos investing 10 billion in fighting climate change or the fact that fires in the rainforest are up 28% on last year? Both these items are in the news but we are ignoring them too. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:48, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Nominate away. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:34, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is far too sparse and short and stubby for main page highlighting. --Jayron32 12:56, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment we have lot of stories from India alone in past few days and let's not forget the 2020 Idukki landslide and 2020 Kerala floods are also mainly covered in google search much higher when compared to the coal mine auction. 2020 Vijayawada fire has now started to lose focus of main headlines. Abishe (talk) 13:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose on article quality. Article is in poor shape and falls well short of our customary standards for being linked on the main page. Neutral on the merits of the nomination. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:48, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose – Per TRM, Wolfson. "Stick it inside someplace." – Sca (talk) 14:49, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose We generally only post stories that are points of action and/or when it is a point of no return (large # of deaths/loss). That there is some initial call to action is not the type of thing we post to start with regardless of anything else that is behind this nom or the coverage. --Masem (t) 15:10, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose What is the event here? Were new egregious mining permits issued over the last few days? Seems to be more "Did you know"... vs current event.Albertaont (talk) 16:21, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• The auctions for 41 blocks of land are currently running and the bid deadline was August 18. That's why it's in the news now. But by all means wait until the land is strip-mined and the coal is burnt. In the meantime, let's play more golf, shall we? Andrew🐉(talk) 20:11, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Article is a stub, and this story doesn't seem to have reached the "significant development" stage that would justify a blurb. "Feel threatened by" is not enough.-- P-K3 (talk) 18:14, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment suggest this is now closed. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:34, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

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(Protests posted) Belarusian election

Articles: 2020 Belarusian presidential election (talk · history · tag) and 2020 Belarusian protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Incumbent President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko (pictured) claims victory in a presidential election considered not free or fair by election observers amid pro-democracy protests. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Belarus cracks down on pro-democracy protests as incumbent President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko (pictured) claims victory in a presidential election considered not free or fair by election observers.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Belarus cracks down on pro-democracy protests as President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko claims victory in a presidential election amid claims of electoral fraud.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In Belarus, President Alexander Lukashenko claims victory in a presidential election amid pro-democracy protests and claims of electoral fraud.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ In Belarus, Protests follow the contested re-election of President Alexander Lukashenko.
Alternative blurb V: ​ Incumbent President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko (pictured) wins a presidential election amid protests and claims of electoral fraud.
News source(s): Guardian, BBC, AP, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Smurrayinchester (talk · give credit)

Both articles updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Assuming this is ITN/R, as a national election, but the election is so widely considered a sham that the protests surrounding it are the bigger story. Smurrayinchester 08:56, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Smurrayinchester This has been nominated already below; initially the protests were the focus, but the election results have been added. 331dot (talk) 08:58, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Ah OK, when I looked I only saw the protests. Smurrayinchester 09:23, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• First blurb's good InedibleHulk (talk) 09:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment I don't think that we should shed light on the protests as the main story. There are multiple protests of larger scale with much higher casualties every year that we normally don't post, so there's no strong reason why to consider these as an exception unless they result in a presidential change. Considering how things develop for now, this is probably going to be an ultimate failure.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:04, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose, while I support in principle, the election article is a bit of a mess; there are many uncited claims about living people. All the blurbs so far also need to be toned down for NPOV. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 14:59, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
  • I have added Alternative blurb III to address my concern about the blurbs but the article on the election needs a lot of work before posting. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 15:06, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

How about Alt4, offered above? Short & to the pt. – Sca (talk) 15:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment- My preference is for Altblurb3. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 18:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Strong support Alternative blurb III or my blurb V: (Officially) Re-elected Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko orders to disperse (peaceful) protesters who (claims victory of other candidate / accuses him of electoral fraud) or my blurb VI: Protesters against electoral fraud contest re-election of Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko (and claim victory of other candidate). TarzanASG (talk) 20:23, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose the election article is missing vast amounts of citations (amongst other problems) and is in no condition to be posted on the main page. Black Kite (talk) 22:00, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment – Too bad, as Svetlana Tikhanovskaya's flight to Lithuania, and her demonstrative video there, have been widely covered. [18] [19] [20] – Sca (talk) 13:42, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support in principle, with either article bolded and a preference for alt3 blurb, but oppose on quality. This is a major story but both articles are lacking in references. Some of that could be addressed by simply deleting the associated material e.g. most of the infobox on the protest article. We only need to fix one article to post the blurb, just bold that one for now. Modest Genius ^talk 13:48, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posted per consensus below, with only the protests bolded. The election article can be bolded whenever it is ready. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

August 9

Portal:Current events/2020 August 9

August 9, 2020 (2020-08-09) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan August 2020 Afghanistan attacks At least seven policemen are killed and 15 others injured after a car bomb explodes outside a police station in Ghazni, Afghanistan. As yet nobody has claimed responsibility. (TOLONews) Afghan peace process Afghanistan's Loya Jirga approves to release 400 "hard-core" Taliban prisoners after deliberation. Afghan President Ashraf Ghani says he will sign the order and that doing this, the Afghan government complies with the Taliban demand of freeing prisoners to start intra-Afghan peace talks. (Reuters) Maghreb insurgency Kouré shooting Six French aid workers, their driver, and a local guide are shot dead by gunmen in an attack on a group of aid workers in Kouré, Tillabéri, Niger. (BBC News) Business and economy Economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, COVID-19 pandemic in Saudi Arabia State-run oil company Saudi Aramco reports that profits in the first half of 2020 plunged by 50% compared to the same period last year, with decreased demand in oil caused by COVID-19 cited as the main reason by CEO Amin H. Nasser. The company plans to uphold its promise of paying out US$75 billion in annual dividends in spite of this. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2020 Sparta earthquake An earthquake with a magnitude of 5.1 hits near the small town of Sparta, North Carolina. Shaking was felt throughout the U.S. East Coast, though no damage and injuries are reported. The earthquake is the largest in the state since 1916. (ABC News) 2020 Vijayawada fire At least 11 people are dead and 22 others injured in a fire at a COVID-19 facility centre in India's Andhra Pradesh. (Al Jazeera) Eight people are dead after floods caused by thunderstorms and torrential rains affected Evia, Greece. Dozens of people have been evacuated from the area. (BBC News)(Canberra Times) Health and environment COVID-19 pandemic COVID-19 pandemic in Oceania COVID-19 pandemic in Australia Victoria reports Australia's deadliest day since the pandemic began in the country, with 17 deaths reported aside from 394 new COVID-19 cases in the last 24 hours. (The Guardian) COVID-19 pandemic in New Zealand New Zealand marks 100 days without community transmission of COVID-19. (The New Zealand Herald) COVID-19 pandemic in Europe COVID-19 pandemic in Greece National Public Health Organization reports 203 new COVID-19 cases in Greece in the past 24 hours, which is the highest single day for the country since the pandemic began. (Greek Reporter) COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom The United Kingdom reports 1,062 new COVID-19 cases in the last 24 hours. It is the first time that the country has recorded more than 1,000 new cases since late June. (ITV) COVID-19 pandemic in India India reports its highest single day record of 64,399 new cases in the last 24 hours. (Times of India) Law and crime A teenager is killed and 20 others are shot, including an off-duty police officer, in a mass shooting at a large gathering in Southeast Washington, D.C. Police are searching for at least three shooters. (CNN) A 17-year-old Chili's hostess is hospitalized after being attacked at a Chili's restaurant in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, after telling a large group of women that they may not share a table due to safety regulations regarding the coronavirus. The hostess has no plans to return to the Chili's restaurant where she was attacked. (MSN) Politics and elections 2020 Belarusian presidential election, 2020 Belarusian protests Citizens of Belarus head to the polls to elect the country's president. Long-ruling Alexander Lukashenko is challenged by Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya after her husband and pro-democracy activist Siarhei Tsikhanouski was jailed and banned from the vote like other prominent opposition figures. Protesters and journalists were also detained in the weeks leading to the election. (DW) A state television exit poll shows President Alexander Lukashenko winning 79.7% of the vote. These results have been dismissed by the main opposition candidate Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya, who criticized them has "massively rigged". (BBC News) (The Guardian) Lukashenko, in power since 1994, declares a landslide victory against the opposition, as riot police clash with protesters in the capital Minsk. Protests in reaction to the disputed results have been reported in at least 20 other Belarusian cities. Fifty civilians and thirty-nine police officers were injured, while at least 3,000 protesters are arrested across the country, one-third of them in Minsk. (BBC News) (The Guardian) A police van in Minsk rams a group of protesters, hitting one of them. The condition of the victim is unknown, with reports of his death not confirmed. (Mandiner.hu) NetBlocks reports that the internet has been "significantly disrupted" in Belarus, with a near total blackout in Minsk. (NetBlocks)

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(Posted) RD: Martin Birch

Article: Martin Birch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News; The Guardian; The Independent
Credits:

• Nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 17:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment. Generally all fine, but the discography section contains a cite to discogs which, looking at the RS noticeboard archives, is not considered suitable for citations, only external links. Please could you make sure every entry in the list is verifiable by one or more of the non discogs sources?  — Amakuru (talk) 21:06, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• @Amakuru: Fixed now, I think. Black Kite (talk) 22:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Practically the whole discography was sourced to AllMusic - I've sourced some that weren't, and removed the remaining few that I couldn't source. Black Kite (talk) 22:25, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• @Spencer, Stephen, and Amakuru: All refs from Discogs have now been replaced. I think this may be ready to go. —Bloom6132 (talk) 05:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• posted  — Amakuru (talk) 06:12, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Kamala

Article: Kamala (wrestler) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [21][22]
Credits:

• Nominated by GreatCaesarsGhost (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 GreatCaesarsGhost 01:10, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment - Is there a policy / convention on using stage names vs real names in the RD section? Seems like this post should be referenced as James Harris. But, is there a precedent in this group to use stage names? Regards. Ktin (talk) 02:12, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• I think COMMONNAME applies: use Kamala. Kingsif (talk) 03:24, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support I've been expecting this day for 28 years, and preparing the bio for eight. It could still use a few small wordiness tweaks, but I think it's ready. I'll spare you rubes my suggested blurb, you're welcome! InedibleHulk (talk) 05:19, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose. This is not ready. There are couple of citations needed tags, unsourced awards and even a whole unsourced section. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:22, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Where he worked and with whom those four years is in his Cagematch profile (External links), if anyone's feeling citey. Click the Career or Matches buttons. I can't paste links, or I might. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:37, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

This is not about being "citey" (whatever that means). It's about following one of our most important policies.These cite tags need to be resolved before posting this. I have amended my comment to make it more clear. – Ammarpad (talk) 06:15, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Feeling citey just means "wanting to cite". Cagematch is considered reliable for results. Resolution's pretty easy. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:34, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

You literally just made that up. Spman (talk) 12:57, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Only the first part. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:16, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

I see you added those tags about a minute after I called "ready", so I stand by it; it was ready at the time. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:07, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support I have fixed a few cn tags so I would say this is ready. And a response to the original comment, yes we do use wrestling names in RD. Likewise stage names as we have done for Barry Chuckle in the past. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:19, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

The artist known as "Prince" got a blurb in 2016, no formal address, around the time Chyna got RDed. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:39, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose dreadful line-by-line article with plenty unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 07:54, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Update 1988 to 1992 is now verifiable enough, as is his sale by The Wizard to the devious Master Fuji. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:30, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment If only Kendo Nagasaki were still alive.... he'd be spinning in his grave. Oh no sorry, he IS still alive. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:05, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

You've got the wrong guy, I tell ya! InedibleHulk (talk) 10:31, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Still many unsourced statements.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:24, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

I see one, about why his WrestleMania match was scrapped. Nobody should care. ITN is rigged against wrestlers. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:16, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Sheesh... and they don't even carry guns. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:19, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

I'll put in some cite tags. Does placing a reference at the end of the paragraph mean it's verifying every sentence within the paragraph? It's not clear.-- P-K3 (talk) 20:18, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

I usually never use that trick when trying to get an article rapidly posted at WP:ITN/RD. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

It's not a trick, they cover everything, have for years. Staleness is coming. Hulk is dead! InedibleHulk (talk) 20:30, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

They may well cover everything, but in my experience putting multiple links at the end of a paragraph with nothing on the individual lines, makes it very difficult to actually verify the facts. It's somewhat better than just listing all sources at the end of the article, like the old days of Wikipedia, but it's a step in that direction, and I definitely think it's best to be more specific on individual lines. If all the cites cover all the facts, then scatter them around a bit. If some cover some facts and others others, then that's easy. Just put them against the correct ones.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:16, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

(I'm very surprised there is not clear MoS policy on this. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:23, 10 August 2020 (UTC))

Easy if you can highlight, click, drag and all that luxury. Typing for me is like entering a Nintendo password. Nobody who read his article in life complained about clumps. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:19, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Because nobody read his article until he died. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 23:25, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Bobby Eaton, Featured Article See how similarly wide enough the citations are? See the same blending of kayfabe and "reality"? Why's it OK for that Southern gentleman? InedibleHulk (talk) 22:40, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

  I think a FA from 12 and a half years ago is probably not a good yardstick for what we look for in terms of quality and BLP adherence today. Just sayin'. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 23:24, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

  Aloha. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:40, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support - Fully referenced. Ready to go. GaryColemanFan (talk) 00:44, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Posted to RD Referencing issues resolved. Spencer^T•C 16:59, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Two Kamalas in one day – merkwürdig. – Sca (talk) 22:08, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Kurt Luedtke

Article: Kurt Luedtke (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Detroit Free Press; The Detroit News
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 23:17, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support Great update. Kingsif (talk) 23:46, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Looks good. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:03, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support satis. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 07:56, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
•  Posted—Bagumba (talk) 10:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

(Closed) 2020 Vijayawada fire

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Article: 2020 Vijayawada fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least eleven people are dead and 22 are injured in a fire at a COVID-19 facility centre in India's Andhra Pradesh. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least eleven people are dead in Vijayawada due to a fire in Hotel Swarna Palace.
News source(s): Al Jazeera, BBC, AP, Reuters
Credits:

• Created by Abishe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Abishe (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Sorry guys, this fire is incident has a wide coverage than the 2020 Czech Republic apartment fire. Abishe (talk) 16:31, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment – Also covered by AP, Reuters. Possibly ITN-level due to Covid19 aspect? – Sca (talk) 17:18, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Support has a death toll, is in India, even has background and reaction sections, so it ticks all the necessary boxes. Maybe add a map? Few unreferenced claims. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:56, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

  I added the map of where this happened.--AlphaBeta135 (talk) 18:17, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

  Yep, looks like the template now. Background section needs a ref. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:20, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Completely un-notable other than the fact that it happened to a COVID-19 facility. Besides, if we add this one to ITN, we kick out Beirut explosions and 3 of 4 articles end up being "bad things in India" which seems unbalanced... and all 4 ITN articles end up being about the Indian subcontinent. If the death rate were higher, I would be okay with kicking out Beirut to replace but not this instant.Albertaont (talk) 18:27, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
  • As a note, we do not control where the news happens. We've had cases where all the items were in the US, and where they were all in the UK. News happens where it happens, we have no control on that. --Masem (t) 01:11, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
    • Even though I don't think this merits posting, it's important to point out that this oppose does not make sense. Wikipedia is not here to balance bad and good stories between conutries/continents, please read WP:RGW. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:11, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Very much the same as the below nom. Kingsif (talk) 21:30, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment a little context: [23] [24] --LaserLegs (talk) 00:45, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment - Did a quick scan of Indian news sources. Seems like news has not made it, prominently, to the front page on most of them. The news cycles still seem to be on the aircraft incident rescue actions, and the 2020 Idukki landslide which seems to have degenerated from an impact standpoint, unfortunately. Ktin (talk) 02:20, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per similar fire Czech republic fire below. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:17, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

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(Closed) 2020 Bohumín apartment fire

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Article: 2020 Bohumín apartment fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least eleven people are dead and ten are injured in a fire at an apartment in Bohumín, Czech Republic. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least eleven people are dead and ten are injured in a burning apartment in Bohumín, Czech Republic.
Alternative blurb II: ​ At least eleven people are dead and ten are injured in an apparent arson attack in Bohumín, Czech Republic.
News source(s): BBC, Euronews
Credits:

• Created by Abishe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Abishe (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The fire incident is regarded as the worst ever fire accident in the history of Czech Republic according to the sources. I know there was another article related to 2020 Punjab alcohol poisoning which killed over 100 people didn't get an inclusion in the ITN section. Abishe (talk) 05:04, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose Has already dropped off most news cycles, not notable enough and no international significance. Things nominated to ITN tend to stay up for a week, I can't see this as being newsworthy for a week.Albertaont (talk) 05:33, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose on notability per above and also on quality, it's only three small paragraphs.  Nixinova   T   C   06:10, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
• Weak Support local authorities are calling it arson, death toll comparable to an airplane skidding off a runway. @Abishe: add a map, background and reactions section to fluff it out and you might get more support. --LaserLegs (talk) 09:50, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose (for now) per stubby article.--AlphaBeta135 (talk) 12:11, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

  Weak oppose (for now) still stubby but at least there are more info.--AlphaBeta135 (talk) 13:34, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose – Tragic, but lacks general significance. Parochial. – Sca (talk) 13:47, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
• Note that I've moved the article (The title was bugging me as it suggested the entire nation was on fire which... no. --Masem (t) 13:51, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support. Article looks to be in good shape. One thing that stood out to me was: The incident has been widely regarded as the worst ever fire incident in the history of Czech Republic. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:06, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
  • I actually went to check the source on that claim (which was pointing to this article [25]) and it does not at all support that, nor any of the other sources. I can't find where that came from, so I have had to remove that claim. --Masem (t) 18:18, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
    • Here's the BBC making the claim. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:24, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
      • Not to split hairs on this one -- but, the link above says "...has been described as the...", without any attribution (e.g. described by whom), so, this claim should not be attributed to BBC, at least not based on the above link. Regards. Ktin (talk) 19:09, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment It is an arsony and a mass murder blurb should reflect this. --Jenda H. (talk) 19:06, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment a little context: [26] [27] --LaserLegs (talk) 00:45, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Adding altblurb2 given this is now looking like an arson attack. --Masem (t) 01:05, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
  • Also I've moved it again to the more specific location name per BBC and updated the above. --Masem (t) 01:08, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose Unfortunately. It's tragic but no general significance. Much larger disasters are reported everyday around the word. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

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