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November 15

Portal:Current events/2022 November 15

November 15, 2022 (2022-11-15) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russo-Ukrainian War 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine 2022 missile explosion in Poland A missile strike kills two people in the village of Przewodów in eastern Poland. President of the United States Joe Biden says that the missile blast in Poland was caused by a Ukrainian air defense missile. U.S. officials had earlier told the Associated Press that preliminary findings suggested that the missile that hit Poland was fired by Ukrainian forces at an incoming Russian missile. (Reuters) (Reuters 2) The Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs says that it was a "Russian-made missile" and summons the Russian ambassador to provide an explanation. (Reuters) (AP) November 2022 nationwide missile strikes on Ukraine Russian missiles strike several cities across Ukraine, including Kyiv, causing "critical" damage to energy facilities. (The Guardian) Israeli–Palestinian conflict November 2022 Ariel attack Three Israelis are killed and three others are injured after a 18-year-old Palestinian man carries out a vehicle-ramming attack and mass stabbing in the Ariel settlement in the occupied West Bank. The perpetrator is shot dead. (Times of Israel) The United States opens an investigation into the death of journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, who was killed in the West Bank in May. (Télam) Yemeni Civil War Foreign involvement in the Yemeni Civil War The US Navy says that it stopped an Iranian shipment of 70 tons of missile fuel components and fertilizer to Yemen. The shipment would likely be used by the Houthis, who are Iran's allies. (AP) Disasters and accidents 2022 south eastern Australia floods Flooding continues in Australia, with over 220 people being rescued from floodwaters in New South Wales in the past 24 hours. (ABC News Australia) At least three people are killed and six others are injured after a multi-storey building collapses in Nairobi, Kenya. (The Washington Post) Fourteen people are killed after a minibus and a truck collide in Abu Minqar, New Valley Governorate, Egypt. (AP) Health and environment Day of Eight Billion The world population surpasses eight billion people, according to the United Nations. (The Times) International relations 2022 G20 Bali summit The Group of Twenty begins its annual two-day summit in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia. (Reuters) Politics and elections Mahsa Amini protests Protests are held across Iran to mark the third anniversary of the 2019 protests. Protesters blocked streets and a large strike has been reported. (Iran International) 2024 Republican Party presidential primaries Former President Donald Trump announces he is running for the Republican Party's nomination in the 2024 U.S. presidential election. (CNN) Sports 2022 ATP Tour At 19 years old, Spanish tennis player Carlos Alcaraz becomes the youngest year-end world No. 1-ranked singles player by the Association of Tennis Professionals after his closest rival, fellow Spaniard Rafael Nadal, failed to advance to the semifinals of the 2022 ATP Finals. Alcaraz breaks Australian player Lleyton Hewitt's record that he achieved in 2001. (The Courier-Mail)

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2022 Russian missile strike on Poland

Article: 2022 Russian missile strike on Poland (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least two people are killed after Russian missiles strike the Polish village of Przewodów. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least two people are killed after Russian missiles cross into Poland and strike the village of Przewodów.
News source(s): AP, Bloomberg News
Credits:

• Nominated by Aeromachinator (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Poland is a NATO member state, and this has not only propelled its Prime Minister into an emergency meeting, but also raised concerns about a possible invocation of Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty. Currently there isn't too much prose in the article itself, but the very implications behoove me to open a floor for us nonetheless. aeromachinator (talk to me here) 19:20, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Note: this nomination is covered by WP:GS/RUSUKR and is restricted to extended-confirmed accounts. Nableezy 19:58, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support Again, I don’t support blurbing every little update of the war, but this is an accidental(?) strike on an outside non-combatant country. It’s certainly highly notable in the grand scheme of the war. The Kip (talk) 19:32, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Wait Pending clarity on implications from NATO member states, which should happen quickly 47.176.81.182 (talk) 19:33, 15 November 2022 (UTC)(non-ec !vote struck)

Support Number of sources have mentioned that both Polish and US officials have confirmed it. Very significant in the war, since as Kip said, it is a (likely accidental) strike on a non-combatant. Awhahoo (talk) 19:38, 15 November 2022 (UTC)(non-ec !vote struck)

• Oppose - first there are reports that what hit Poland is the remains of a Russian missile that was shot down by Ukraine. Second, it is speculation on Article 5 being invoked. When there is something that comes of this then post. Not before. In the meantime, covered by ongoing. nableezy - 19:42, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Wait. Too soon to be sure what happened here, or how Poland & NATO will respond. It might be an accident that generates some diplomatic protests but nothing more. If so, I don't think it's ITN-worthy. If it somehow leads to Poland intervening in the war, that will be worth posting. Modest Genius ^talk 19:46, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support alt1 - Major news, self-explanatory. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 19:55, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Wait Seems quite a minor spillover so we'd need to see the consequences. There's plenty happening generally – for example, the world's biggest warship arriving in Europe. It's all part of the War in Ukraine story which we have in Ongoing. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:21, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose If it was a deliberate attack it would certainly be significant. But the reports I have seen indicate that it was accidental. Also, the article is still a stub. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:30, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Wait. Not enough information yet and unclear what the ramifications will be. – Anne drew 20:33, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Wait. This is still a developing situation. However, if this becomes big enough (I personally hope not), I would vote to support this, provided that the article is well-cited. Vida0007 (talk) 20:43, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Strong Support Event has dramatic reactions online, 2 people were killed. I dont quite see how "accidental" is an oppose-consensus as 2 people are still dead regardless. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 20:58, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Because two people being killed, while tragic for their families and friends, isnt quite on the level of being on the front page of Wikipedia. Chicago, for example, has averaged two people killed a day so far this month. nableezy - 21:13, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support but wait - this has the potential to become very very bad, or it could just result in stern condemnation. We should wait a little bit rather than rushing to beat the news. - Floydian ^τ _¢ 21:01, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support -- a serious escalation that is dominating the news across the world. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 21:33, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Wait: it's not yet clear that the missile was Russian (the BBC is reporting that it might have been an S-300, which doesn't have the range to hit Poland from Russia). --Carnildo (talk) 21:40, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Artemis 1

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Artemis 1 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ NASA's Artemis 1 launches to the Moon successfully/explodes. (Post)
News source(s): CBS
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: I am nominating this early to allow editors to give it a checkup. Pretty high chances it will actually launch on Nov 16 1:04 a.m. EST, and wether it goes out in a big boom or actually does launch only like 7 years late, it will make the news round. ITNR cause it's the first launch of a major rocket family. 2A02:2F01:F206:A500:ACB9:80C1:561A:62A0 (talk) 16:06, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

This nomination is premature. It is impossible to assess the update to the article before the event has occurred. I think this should be closed; come back if/when it actually launches. Modest Genius ^talk 16:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Wait until it actually occurs. Alternatively, post the blurb exactly as it is currently written. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:25, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Stop doing this. Don't. Nominate. Articles. Early. "Giving it a checkup" now- which I'm sure interested editors were already doing without a nomination- might not have much bearing on how the article will actually look when the event happens, and it certainly won't allow anyone to judge whether or not the article should be posted on ITN. -- Kicking222 (talk) 16:33, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Comment - You're giving a fair amount of credence to the probability of the rocket exploding, which I find amusing.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 16:33, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. Forget waiting. Let's stop encouraging people to post noms before an event happens. Let someone post it again when it happens. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:35, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose and suggest close The nominated event has not yet taken place. Chrisclear (talk) 17:54, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Ongoing The mission has been postponed several times already. And if it does get off the ground, it will be about a month before it returns. So it seems more of an ongoing event. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:42, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

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Worldwide population exceeds 8B

Article: World population (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The world population exceeds eight billion people, based on United Nation estimates. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The United Nations estimates the world population to have exceeded eight billion.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The United Nations estimates the world population to have exceeded eight billion.
News source(s): UN, USA Today, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The "Projections" section needs a few sources, but the article seems otherwise complete. This was actually in the news starting a few days ago, but I wanted to wait until this day, when the projection is said to cross 8B. There's some other interesting facts, such as India expected to exceed China by 2023, or that we are expected to peak around 10.5B ppl (due to reduced childbirth and impact of low-income regions) but I don't think we need much more on the blurb. Masem (t) 01:15, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support - Arbitrary milestone, yes, but this is amazing. It absolutely is a global interest story, for reasons which I'd think would be obvious!--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 01:33, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  To put in perspective, 7B was hit in 2011, and 9B is expected ~2040-ish. This is not something we'd be posting every year. Masem (t) 01:47, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. A notable event, but the issue here is this is a projection. Sure we can reasonably assume that we will have hit 8 billion by, say, the end of the year, but I think posting something like this with a nebulous date attached to it is not a good idea. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:59, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  The UN is the most authorative source on this, and there is no way we will get an exact count. They specifically say their estimates have 8B crossing today, but I'm sure there's a considerable margin of error they can't reduce. Masem (t) 03:48, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  I'm not going after the UN or anything, but the very fact that there is innately such a margin or error, even for the best source, is exactly my issue here. DarkSide830 (talk) 14:27, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  The news isn't that the human population has exceeded 8 billion (which it may or may not have) - the news is that the UN estimates the human population has exceeded 8 billion. Chrisclear (talk) 18:00, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  Okay. That I'm even more opposed to. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:27, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support on significance, and suggest wording it as "The UN estimates the world population to have exceeded 8B", thereby attaching the date to the UN estimate and avoiding issues of precision. Vanamonde (Talk) 04:04, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose This is DYK material. Just follow the example of Day of Seven Billion to nominate Day of Eight Billion. Last time the hook was "Did you know... that the United Nations Population Fund has designated today as the Day of Seven Billion?", so something similar should work now as well.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:24, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support - Humanity reaches a new milestone. Coming from the UN gives it even more relevance. Definitely for ITN.BabbaQ (talk) 08:36, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support - Huge milestone, definitely for ITN and not DYK. Might be a good idea to somehow work the Day of Eight Billion article into the blurb. Lewis Hulbert (talk) 09:21, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support - Major event for humanity. Another relevant article is at World population milestones, although someone might want to take a look at the table numbers, which have been a little funky due to reliance on decades old predictions for a while. I think some of the "time elapsed" figures are still wrong despite incremental corrections, which do not reflect the original source... 193.60.60.66 (talk) 10:03, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Support - Bit mixed on this one, but at the end of the day this is a huge milestone for humanity, if arbitrary. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:18, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Strong support - I don't know if we posted 7B or not, but I agree with the previous !voters that this is a huge milestone definitely worth an ITN blurb. Quantum XYZ (chat) 11:37, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  And I'd like to note that I prefer the altblurb here, with a link to Day of Eight Billion. Quantum XYZ (chat) 11:39, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support. Per above. MSN12102001 (talk) 11:44, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. Firstly, 8 billion is just an arbitrary number only of interest because we use the decimal system. The population is going up steadily, so hitting any particular milestone is both routine and expected. Secondly, as noted above, this is completely an estimate. The figure may have actually been reached previously or maybe hasn't yet and there's no reason to favour UN estimates over others. All in all, not a story worth including at ITN and better suited ti DYK.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:49, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  The US census bureau estimate is still well short of 8bn.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:54, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  Sure, if we used a base-6 system we wouldn't care about 8B, but we don't, and almost nobody does in everyday life. Quantum XYZ (chat) 12:09, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Weak support. Yes this is an arbitrary number, and yes it's only an estimate. But it's also of fundamental importance, and population growth is a topic we would never post at all if we didn't use big numbers as milestones. The world population article is mostly excellent and will interest our readers. There are currently two orange tagged sections that need addressing, though it appears those would be easy to do (or could be moved to the talk page for now). In contrast, Day of Eight Billion is barely more than a stub so should not be bold-linked. Modest Genius ^talk 12:10, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support pbp 12:44, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose arbitrary milestone, nothing particularly important about numbers that have a bunch of zeroes at the end. --Jayron32 13:00, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  I suppose it's true that the figure of 8B only really matters within our deeply ingrained social constructs relating to numbers and decimals. But I think we ought to cast the number itself aside, and instead focus more on this interesting factoid from the article, which is not arbitrary: It took over two million years of human prehistory and history for the human population to reach one billion and only 219 years more to grow to 8 billion. The scale of population growth in the last couple of centuries has been staggeringly immense, even factoring in all of our wars and pandemics. At some point, it needs to be recognized. There's really no better time than now. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:02, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  It's only surprising to people who don't understand how math works. Exponential growth is well understood, and human population has followed a largely predictable curve for centuries. The 8 billionth currently existing human is not particularly more interesting than the 7,999,999,999th person, excepting that they won the round number lottery. --Jayron32 16:58, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  See also compound interest for similar math. It's basically saying my savings account grew faster when there was more money in it. Which is nice, but also not news. nableezy - 17:01, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Article doesn't explain the significance, making it seem arbitrary. Lacks a sufficient update per WP:ITN:

  The decision as to when an article is updated enough is subjective, but a five-sentence update (with at minimum three references, not counting duplicates) is generally more than sufficient, while a one-sentence update is highly questionable.

  —Bagumba (talk) 13:15, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per Bagumba. The substance of the update is the paramount purpose of ITN. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:45, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support, a very big milestone. 4me689 (talk) 14:22, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support, very large milestone! This will change sources from the 7 billion figure I have been used to for so long, important to promote this news. --Pithon314 (talk) 14:28, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Wait – I like this topic and I think it can make a great blurb. However, the World population article does not yet go in enough detail/isn't updated enough, and the Day of Eight Billion article is not ready to be featured. In particular, I would really want to see information on how the crossing of the threshold was calculated. Right now it is very unclear why it was estimated that today is the day. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 14:39, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Support Milestone in history of humanity, source seems reliable. Editor 5426387 (talk) 15:15, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose - it'll be news when the population stops going up, not when it continues going up. nableezy - 15:52, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support might be a random milestone, but it gets news coverage. This is ITN and is encyclopedic. 2A02:2F01:F206:A500:ACB9:80C1:561A:62A0 (talk) 16:06, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support The discussion about an "arbitrary number" seems a bit silly to me. The vast majority of the world uses a decimal number system, so surely the number isn't really that arbitrary. YD407OTZ (talk) 16:07, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support. While there is merit to the argument that 8 billion is arbitrary, it has underlying cultural and political significance, and the UN estimate establishes it as an actual news story. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:22, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support. A Global Milestone. Layah50♪ ( 話して～! ) 16:47, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support,Notable subject Alex-h (talk) 17:40, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Pre-posting comment Even though I would personally oppose this, I was about to say there was obvious consensus to post and do it anyway. But most of the supports/opposes are addressing the notability of the topic. Few of them are addressing the quality of the article. There is currently an orange maintenance tag on the article, which has traditionally been considered a near-veto on posting. I think we can say that there is consensus that the topic can be posted, and so we need fewer comments about that, and need more comments (and fixes!) on the quality of the article. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:29, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support - This is a major international milestone with widespread media coverage. --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 19:57, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support. Huge milestone for mankind, widespread news coverage, and the articles in question are well-sourced. Not to mention that a consensus is already building here. Vida0007 (talk) 20:46, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

November 14

Portal:Current events/2022 November 14

November 14, 2022 (2022-11-14) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Mali War Operation Newcombe The United Kingdom announces that it is withdrawing its troops from Mali citing "political instability" and the controversial relationship between the Assimi Goïta-led military junta and Russia's Wagner Group. (BBC News) Kurdish–Iranian conflict Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) strikes the headquarters of the Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan in Koy Sanjaq, Kurdistan Region, Iraq, with four missiles, killing at least one person. The IRGC says that it "targeted terrorist groups" with missiles and drones. (Al Jazeera) Israeli forces kill a 15-year-old Palestinian girl in the occupied West Bank. (Pagina12) Disasters and accidents Sixteen people are killed and three others are injured after a road accident in Bordj Badji Mokhtar, Algeria. (Reuters) International relations France–United Kingdom relations English Channel migrant crossings The United Kingdom and France sign a revised border control agreement to stop migrant boats from crossing the English Channel amid record numbers of migrants making the crossing. The agreement will increase the number of officers patrolling the French coast to 300 and have British police officers work with their French counterparts in control rooms and on beaches. (BBC News) Iran–European Union relations Sanctions against Iran The European Union adds 30 Iranian entities including news channel Press TV and cloud computing service Abr Arvan to its sanctions blacklist. (Taz) Brazil, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and Indonesia, the three countries with the largest tropical forest area, propose a trilateral alliance to collaborate on forest protection. (CNN) Law and crime 2022 Istanbul bombing Turkish interior minister Süleyman Soylu says that 46 people, including the Syrian woman accused of planting the bomb, have been detained. Süleyman also accuses the Kurdistan Workers' Party of being behind the attack. (Al Jazeera)

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RD: Werner Franke

Article: Werner Franke (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Süddeutsche Zeitung/dpa
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German cell biologist and doping expert. Grimes2 (talk) 18:11, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support. Looks good. Thryduulf (talk) 19:37, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

RD: Virginia McLaurin

Article: Virginia McLaurin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WHUR
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American supercentenarian and "dancing grandma" - Dumelow (talk) 11:01, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Weak support Well-sourced, but the prose is very weak at the moment; there is basically a black hole in coverage from 1939 to 2013. The paragraphing is also not ideal, with several short 1-sentence paragraphs. Regardless, as I said, it is well-sourced, and enough for our purposes. Curbon7 (talk) 12:22, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Willie Donald

Article: Willie Donald (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Press and Journal
Credits:

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Scottish cricketer and cricket administator. I've done a little work on the article but it looks pretty good. Date of death not known but announced today - Dumelow (talk) 16:25, 14 November 2022 (UTC) Dumelow (talk) 16:25, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support all looks good. Thryduulf (talk) 01:19, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support Well-written and cited. Holistic enough for our purposes. Curbon7 (talk) 02:26, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 10:45, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

November 13

Portal:Current events/2022 November 13

November 13, 2022 (2022-11-13) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Terrorism in Turkey 2022 Istanbul bombing An IED explodes on İstiklal Avenue in Beyoğlu, Istanbul, killing six people and injuring 81 others. (Al Jazeera) Interior Minister Süleyman Soylu reports that a Syrian female suspect has been arrested. (ABC News Australia) Syrian civil war Iran–Israel conflict during the Syrian civil war Israel launches missile strikes on Shayrat Airbase in Homs Governorate, central Syria, killing two soldiers and injuring three others, according to Syrian state television. (Reuters) Law and crime Mahsa Amini protests The Islamic Revolutionary Court of Iran issues the first death sentence in connection with the protests. The sentenced person was convicted of burning a government office. (MSN) 2022 University of Virginia shooting Three people are killed and two others are injured by a mass shooting at the University of Virginia, Charlottesville, Virginia, United States. (AP) Presidency of Andrés Manuel López Obrador Thousands of demonstrators march nationwide against the proposal of Andrés Manuel López Obrador, the president of Mexico, to reform the autonomous National Electoral Institute. The proposals include the possibility of allowing the president and congress to choose the electoral councillors to be subsequently voted by the electorate. (The Washington Post) 2022 University of Idaho killings In Moscow, Idaho, United States, four University of Idaho students are found stabbed to death at a residence near the university's campus. (Idaho Statesman) Politics and elections 2022 Slovenian presidential election Independent liberal Nataša Pirc Musar defeats her right-wing opponent Anže Logar in a run-off vote and will become the country's first female president. (Foreign Brief) (The Guardian) Sports 2022 Formula One World Championship 2022 São Paulo Grand Prix British racing driver George Russell of Mercedes wins the first Formula One race of his career. (CNN)

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(Posted) RD: Geoff Cochrane

Article: Geoff Cochrane (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Chocmilk03 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The date of death hasn't been publicly reported yet as far as I can tell, but the article on The Spinoff was published today (14 November, NZ time) and the first tweets reporting his death were published 13 November (eg this tweet from his former publicist, this tweet from Victoria University's writing programme). Chocmilk03 (talk) 07:29, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose the Poetry collections section is entirely unsourced. Apart from that it looks fine though. Thryduulf (talk) 10:32, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

  @Thryduulf thanks for reviewing! Another user has kindly added ISBN details and I've added citations for those that don't have ISBNs. Is this sufficient or does each entry need a direct citation? (It wouldn't be too difficult to add a citation for each, if that's needed.) Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 18:42, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

  Support. All good now. @Chocmilk03: for works that have an ISBN that is fine for a bibliography listing. Thryduulf (talk) 01:22, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  Chocmilk03 fixing the ping. Thryduulf (talk) 01:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 02:44, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

2022 Slovenian elections

Articles: 2022 Slovenian presidential election (talk · history · tag) and Nataša Pirc Musar (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The independent Nataša Pirc Musar (pictured) wins the presidential elections in Slovenia, becoming its first female president (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The independent Nataša Pirc Musar (pictured) wins the presidential elections in Slovenia, becoming its first female president
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

• Nominated by Paradise Chronicle (talk · give credit)
• Created by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Doremo (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: There were more updaters and also the creator of the article of the Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:06, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Correction. It seems I have updated the article 2022 Slovenian presidential elections as well as the lead of Natasa Pirc Musar with the info that she won. But anyway, important is the result. Doremo updated the infobox of the Natasa Pirc Musar article and Topjur01 created the Natasa Pirc Musar article.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:32, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality I would like to see more prose in general, in the entire article. And a section on Aftermath/Reactions is missing. The election of non-executive HoS is not ITNR, but I think that in the face of historic results such as the election of a woman as head of a country for the first time is reason enough to post it. I trust that the quality of the article will be updated soon _-_Alsor (talk) 20:53, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Weak oppose on quality Per _-_Alsor. Articles seem to be off to a good start on sourcing, but I'd also like to point that there's no result section apart from the infobox. aeromachinator (talk to me here) 03:05, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

  I have updated the article and expanded the article with prose before your weak oppose

  "per Alsor". Now I also added a result section, (in fact just splitting the second round paragraph) provided two blurbs one with one without linking to the elections article. She won, I updated both articles. Don't know what else to do and I can accept if this is not notable enough. It seems Natasa Pirc Musar is not a Wikipedia personality as her article was declined for notability. And that the diff for the decline somehow disappeared is really interesting.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:28, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

  Support Thanks for making and noting these changes—upon further observation I think these articles are good to go. aeromachinator (talk to me here) 18:10, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support Change of head of state is ITN/R This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 13:22, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

  Not all changes of heads of state are. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:05, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• Comment please, add a section about the aftermath or the reactions. _-_Alsor (talk) 01:02, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Support - Change of head of state, first female president, article is of sufficient quality. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:19, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support, New government and the first female president Alex-h (talk) 17:32, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Weak support The article on the election probably just barely passes the minimum standards for amount of prose, but is still very light on text. --Jayron32 19:19, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) 2022 Istanbul bombing

Article: 2022 Istanbul bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least six people are killed and 81 injured in a bombing on İstiklal Avenue in Istanbul, Turkey. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ ​
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Kiril Simeonovski (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This is a tragic event in one of the busiest and most visited cities in the world. --Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:12, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Support - Expansion needed. Prodrummer619 (talk) 17:31, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Wait. It's not that significant if it's just a random attack. Post if more news comes out in the following days indicating that it has legal or political significance. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:33, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Support when expanded - Notable event, all over the news. ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  17:34, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Comment Expansion may be difficult as the gov't has locked down the Internet for coverage of this. --Masem (t) 17:54, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Support – as has been said, this is extremely notable and newsworthy. – BarleyButt (talk) 17:58, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Support on notability, but Wait for expansion MyriadSims (talk) 22:09, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Support - notable event, this event is all over the news. Editor 5426387 (talk) 13:46, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Wait Of course notable event, but news are still coming in.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 18:12, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Wait. This is certainly notable enough to post, but we probably want to wait for more than breaking news reporting to ensure the article is accurate when we post it. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:37, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Support. I'm comfortable with the quality of the article and the quality of reporting now that we're out of the true "breaking news" time. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 05:03, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Support - A current event with ongoing developments, also due to general bandwidth shrinking for social media in Turkey, this might prove helpful to acquire news on the event. Mavromatis (talk) 20:32, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn't add the WL on Turkey in the blurb, it could deviate the attention on the bombing a bit.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:30, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Concur. Curbon7 (talk) 03:50, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree that a wikilink to Turkey is not needed. That being said, I don't see the harm in it and I don't think it will substantially detract from the bold bombing's relative prominence. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 05:05, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support - Noteworthy, and article has been significantly expanded. --NoonIcarus (talk) 00:15, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support, clearly notable, and frankly the article is very reasonably developed given the broadcast ban etc, and is in good enough shape currently for the main page. —GGT (talk) 00:45, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support Article seems reasonable. Layah50♪ ( 話して～! ) 00:47, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support - Looks good. Sherenk1 (talk) 04:01, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - Number of deaths is lower than 10. The attack is, for lack of a better term, just a 'regular' attack. Randam (talk) 04:38, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support for its notability. May need some expansion works but right now it should be just alright to post. SBS6577P (talk) 06:48, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support - The article is good now, no need to wait more. -Imad_J (talk) 08:40, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per Randam. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:50, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support I considered nominating this but at the time the article was very short. I think now it should be fine to post as more information has come in. Jaguarnik (talk) 09:55, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• leaning Oppose per the number of victims, the broadcast ban is much more notable I guess but I don't know how the guidelines on this are.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 10:03, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support on both notability and article quality. Quantum XYZ (chat) 12:12, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. DatGuy^Talk_Contribs 14:00, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

2022 ICC Men's T20 World Cup

Article: 2022 ICC Men's T20 World Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ England wins the ICC Men's T20 World Cup, beating Pakistan at the Melbourne Cricket Ground. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ ​In cricket, England defeat Pakistan in the final of the ICC Men's T20 World Cup.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In cricket, the ICC Men's T20 World Cup concludes with England as champions.
News source(s): [3][4]
Credits:

• Nominated by EchidnaLives (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITN/R, large event in the sport. Posted before in 2016, 2014, 2010 (and possibly more but I haven't checked). Still requires updating as it only just happened. echidnaLives - talk - edits 11:44, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• I can’t do it right now because I’m on mobile, but could someone please add a picture of Sam Curran as the Player of the Match? Source:[5]. Thanks, echidnaLives - talk - edits 12:06, 13 November 2022 (UTC).
• Support - Subject is WP:ITN/R and article in good shape, although I'd like to see some prose on the final. Quantum XYZ (chat) 12:37, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support - Kpddg ^(talk) 12:56, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support. Satisfies WP:ITNSPORTS. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 13:12, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose No prose in the body on actual tournament play, including the final; just tables and box scores.—Bagumba (talk) 14:25, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Comment Shouldn't 2022 ICC Men's T20 World Cup Final be the bolded article? (That needs details on the match itself as well.) Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:42, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

  Not really anything on WP:ITNSPORTS saying it has to be either or. I've seen both posted on their own many times and either of them work. I probably prefer the wider tournament article as it links to the competition that the champion won, not just their final game, and you can still navigate to the final article via it. Comment by James Lewis Bedford (talk) 15:13, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

  Though I can see why it would be better in the first two proposed blurbs given they refer to the Final anyway. Added alt blurb 2. Comment by James Lewis Bedford (talk) 15:54, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 16:36, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support. Satisfies WP:ITNSPORTS and the article conveys the tournament accurately in a way that is useful for our readers. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:36, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality Article lacks prose about the tournament itself or at least the final. Regards, Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 00:07, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support. Article is reasonable, and is the most recent world cup in sports. Layah50♪ ( 話して～! ) 01:48, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - Final should be the main article which lacks prose. Sherenk1 (talk) 04:00, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support Now that the article is improved. Also WP:ITNSPORTS. Randam (talk) 04:43, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

  There's still no prose at either 2022 ICC Men's T20 World Cup Final#Match details or 2022 ICC Men's T20 World Cup#Final.—Bagumba (talk) 07:13, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Target article should be 2022 ICC Men's T20 World Cup Final#Match details and it's not finished. INeedSupport ^😷 19:34, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per INeedSupport. Sporting events we blurb the article about the final, and if that's not ready we shouldn't just cop out and post a different article.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:24, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

November 12

Portal:Current events/2022 November 12

November 12, 2022 (2022-11-12) (Saturday) Disasters and accidents 2022 Dallas airshow mid-air collision A Bell P-63 Kingcobra and a Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress collide mid-air at an air show in Dallas, Texas, United States, killing six people. (CBS News) A bus falls into a canal in the Nile River Delta in Dakahlia Governorate, Egypt, killing 21 people. (ABC News) Health and environment Lebanon launches its first cholera vaccine campaign. (Arab News) Politics and elections 2022 Bahraini general election Bahrainis head to the polls to elect the 40 members of the Council of Representatives. (SwissInfo) 2022 United States Senate elections Incumbent Democrat Catherine Cortez Masto defeats Republican challenger Adam Laxalt to win the 2022 United States Senate election in Nevada, securing the Democratic Party majority in the United States Senate for the upcoming 118th United States Congress. (NBC News) Sports 2021 Rugby World Cup Hosts New Zealand win a record sixth Women's Rugby World Cup title after defeating England 34–31 in the final at Eden Park in Auckland. The final was a rematch of the 2017 edition, which New Zealand had also won. (CNN)

(Ready) RD:John Connaughton

Article: John Connaughton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Port Vale FC Stoke Sentinel
Credits:

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and EchetusXe (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English footballer. Couple of achievements need citing. Not overly familiar with football RS but will take a look - Dumelow (talk) 16:11, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• Missing citations noted by the nominator are still required, but nothing else stands out as problematic. Thryduulf (talk) 01:25, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks Thryduulf, think I've got these now? - Dumelow (talk) 10:53, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  Support and marking ready, now fully sourced. Thryduulf (talk) 19:39, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support Pretty well sourced article now, looking ready for RD Josey Wales ^Parley 13:20, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Carroll Hubbard

Article: Carroll Hubbard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Louisville Courier Journal
Credits:

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American politician convicted for campaign finance violations. I've expanded it a little based on the above obituary - Dumelow (talk) 10:47, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support. No obvious issues. Thryduulf (talk) 14:20, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Uncited contentious statement in the Rubbergate section. Once resolved, it is good to go. Curbon7 (talk) 01:57, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Curbon7, I added that content (with a cite to the Courier Journal) but the citation was lost in later edits by others. Now readded - Dumelow (talk) 10:56, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Support Issues resolved. Curbon7 (talk) 12:10, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 17:06, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

(Senate posted, wait on House) 2022 United States elections

Articles: 2022 United States Senate elections (talk · history · tag) and 2022 United States House of Representatives elections (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the United States, the Democratic Party retains their majority in the Senate. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the United States, the Democratic Party retains their majorities in the Senate and in the House of Representatives.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In the United States, the Democratic Party retains their majority in the Senate, while the Republican Party wins control of the House of Representatives.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In the United States, the Democratic Party retains their majority in the Senate, while the House elections remain too close to call.
News source(s): NBC News, CNN, AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Finally. The Senate has been called for Democrats; should we wait for the House? Davey2116 (talk) 02:27, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Wait until they officially call the House, then publish. -LtNOWIS (talk) 02:30, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I do think senate control was the big picture here, but I would at least wait a half day from now to see if the house direction looks any closer. Masem (t) 02:30, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• The house could take days to call. I'd post the Senate now, and the House later when it's called. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:02, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Wait until the House is called, then use alt 2 (assuming that's how it plays out). Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:06, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Wait It makes no sense to post the Senate results now and the House results later, especially when it's ITNR that this is a general election, both chambers together. We can wait. When are the official results expected to be called? I'm surprised that one of the most advanced countries in the world has been counting votes for almost a week. _-_Alsor (talk) 03:09, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

It's not a matter of counting. The deadline for mail-in votes to be received is in the future in some places. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:30, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Strong support Why did someone delete my post exposing Trumpist fraud and lies? 2600:100F:B100:1F76:5906:EF2A:8D24:297C (talk) 03:19, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

  Because you:

1. Failed to follow WP:NPOV in your blurb
2. Used a non-news source
3. Said something false (there was no blue wave, there was just the lack of a red wave)

Tube·of·Light 03:23, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

There was a blue wave tho, dems gained seats in the senate and will win the house as well, trump is finished 2600:100F:B100:1F76:5906:EF2A:8D24:297C (talk) 03:27, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

this is not the place for this kind of stuff so stop. _-_Alsor (talk) 03:29, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Donald J Trump was not standing in this election, and the existence of any sort of 'wave' is a matter for political punditry, not Wikipedia headlines. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:29, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Wait till both houses are called (If Nevada goes to the GOP, then just add that the senate is undecided as Georgia will have a run-off election). Tube·of·Light 03:23, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support The default assumption was that the House will go to the GOP and that the Dems were the slight favorite to retain the Senate, but the Senate could go either way. That the Dems retain control of the Senate is then nontrivial news. But the House going to the GOP is a foregone conclusion (probability of this not happening is not zero but it is extremely small), we should not wait for that to become official. Count Iblis (talk) 03:33, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

A)The GOP was the favorite to win the Senate, B) the House going to the GOP was not a foregone conclusion before the election or even today, C) The Dem chances in the House are way over zero (betting markets say about 20%), & D) no one is talking about waiting for it to be official, we follow reliable sources, who have not called the house. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:30, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support altblurb 2. The Dems win the Senate while the GOP wins the House. A split Congress so no impeachment. Shwcz (talk) 04:49, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

A GOP House would likely impeach Biden regardless of Senate control. 331dot (talk) 07:03, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Any talk of impeachment is pure crystal balls. GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:29, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Post. The House has not been called and is not a foregone conclusion, the Democrats have a narrow but realistic path to retaining the majority. There is no reason to wait for the House to be called(which may not be soon due to recounts) in order to post the Senate. 331dot (talk) 07:02, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support posting Senate control of the House will probably come down to California, which notoriously takes weeks to count all of its ballots. Preferably we post the Senate now and update the blurb when the House is decided. YD407OTZ (talk) 10:12, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Wait until we have official results as we've had enough of wishful thinking and misrepresentation. And we're an encyclopedia not news media and so there's no rush. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:33, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

We have never waited for official results/certifications/inaugurations/formalities. We follow the news. If you don't think the news should be in the business of reporting unofficial election results, take that up with them, not us. 331dot (talk) 11:55, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm also very curious as to what is being "misrepresented" here. This is In the news, not "list of official events and happenings"331dot (talk) 11:59, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Are you guys waiting for the time someone tells us "Oppose this news is stale"? Howard the Duck (talk) 10:40, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support posting Senate House results have not been called yet. --Vacant0 (talk) 11:30, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Wait for the HoR to be called by the usual major news sources. GreatCaesarsGhost 14:30, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Why? It may not be for awhile, and at that point it will be said posting the Senate is stale. We can always add the House later. 331dot (talk) 16:32, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support Posting Senate now, as the result is known and posting the House of Representatives whenever that result becomes clear Josey Wales ^Parley 18:09, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Wait for the house results to be called. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:22, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Post Senate now and then when House is called, bump the blurb back up with the new results. Like we did when Truss resigned. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 19:02, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Post Senate now - I'm with supporters saying the U.S. Senate voting results are ITN-blurb-worthy right now, and update the blurb when the House results are in. The suggestions that we wait for the House results fail to convince. Jusdafax (talk) 19:32, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Post Senate now, and say nothing one way or the other about the House of Representatives until it's actually called. When it is, replace with a fuller blurb. (Compare, for example, Liz Truss' resignation, and how the subsequent 'election' result replaced it.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 20:29, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Comment -- I see consensus now to post the Senate results, and to update and reblurb when the House is finally called. Can an admin please do this? Thanks. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:02, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Post Senate now as we could be waiting weeks for all the House races to resolve themselves. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:06, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Comment #2 -- I have to say, it's annoying to see this just sit here two days after the Senate was called. When Liz Truss resigned, we immediately posted it. What is the hold up? -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 05:15, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

  Be patient. There are only 2 or 3 admins who are active on ITN, and they have lives too. Consensus for posting the Senate was only found today. Curbon7 (talk) 05:22, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

  My apologies. I know patience is indeed a virtue. It's just a bit annoying. :-) --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 05:48, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• Tense I looked at the Senate article and found quite a few cases of an inappropriate future tense for something that is now in the past. So, it needs copy-editing.

Another thing I noticed was that the Democrats have less seats than the Republicans – just 48 to 49. It seems that the balance is held by two Independents – Angus King and Bernie Sanders. Elsewhere, this would be called a coalition or hung parliament. This doesn't seem to be strong control by any party as, when it's so close, any Senator can cause trouble for such close votes. So blurbing a Democratic majority seems incorrect when you need 51 for a majority and they only have 48. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:05, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

King and Sanders caucus with the Democrats; a UK comparison would be the relationship between Labour and the Co-ops, basically one and the same. Curbon7 (talk) 09:24, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Just to add on to that, because the Vice President is a Democrat, she can serve as a tie breaker in the case of 50-50 votes. So, for all practical purposes, the Democrats control the Senate. YD407OTZ (talk) 09:29, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Sanders & King are essentially independents in name only. They caucus w/the Democrats & usually vote the same way as the Democrats. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:32, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• The caucus mechanism seems mainly to do with allocation of seats on committees. But when it comes to party allegiance and voting, someone like Angus King seems to be his own man – "neither a Democrat nor a Republican, but an American". According to Angus_King#Political_positions, "King voted with the Democratic Party 43% of the time", which doesn't sound like consistent, dependable support. As he rejects the party label, we should not be pinning one on him. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:40, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• A more accurate way of showing the outcome in the Senate would be to link to the Senate Democratic Caucus rather than the Democratic Party. The Senate Democratic Caucus is the formal organisation which has secured a majority. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:57, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Consider that nearly all RSes reporting on the results have stated that the Dems kept control of the Senate. You could argue that they are wrongly categorized, but between what RS say and what we know King and Sanders have done, this is a fact. Masem (t) 13:14, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

While I’m neutral WRT whether or not the Senate results should be posted now or when the House results are known, I oppose the 1st 2 alt blurbs. We shouldn’t be a crystal ball. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:36, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• Marking Senate as ready per consensus. Cheers. WimePocy 13:12, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Comment This isn't an ITN/R item because these aren't general elections, so the nomination should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis. As for notability, I think only a change in the control of one of the houses deserves attention.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:35, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

  Why does someone do this every time? These are absolutely general elections, both by the dictionary definition of that term and the laws used to implement them. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:26, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

  ...Midterm elections are general elections in the United States. Therefore, it is ITN/R. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 21:15, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• Posted senate with suggested blurb. Would've liked to add an image of Chuck Schumer but Party leaders of the United States Senate and Majority leader are (appropriately) orange tagged. DatGuy^Talk_Contribs 14:00, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) Dallas airshow mid-air collision

Article: 2022 Dallas airshow mid-air collision (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A Bell P-63 Kingcobra and a Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress (pictured) collide mid-air at a Dallas airshow killing six. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Six people are killed in a mid-air plane crash at an air show in Dallas.
News source(s): NYTABC News, CBS
Credits:

• Nominated by Koltinn (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments:   There are not that many air worthy B17's left its being reported on by notable news agencies. No offical death toll yet. Koltinn (talk) 23:05, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose (FWIW I've seen 6 tossed around as a number for death toll). An unfortunate incident and while highly published, not really the type of disaster we cover. --Masem (t) 23:08, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Oppose per Masem MyriadSims (talk) 02:40, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Death does not confer significance. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:03, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose and snow close per above. _-_Alsor (talk) 03:10, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support - we posted the 2019 Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress crash when it happened. There is no WP:MINIMUMDEATHS, article is in a reasonable shape. Mjroots (talk) 06:30, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support. Crashes at air shows are uncommon, and ones involving historic aircraft are more notable. 331dot (talk) 07:04, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support per Mjroots & 331dot. SBS6577P (talk) 10:02, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Lean support this is a pretty uncommon incident, and the historic value of these aircraft makes it notable in my opinion. YD407OTZ (talk) 10:10, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Oppose - per Masem PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:17, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Comment. If we post this (no opinion) the blurb should link the types of aircraft involved for the benefit of those of us not familiar with them. Thryduulf (talk) 14:37, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

  No, that's starting to get into trainspotting territory. We don't post airliner models in the case of commercial airline crashes. Masem (t) 16:42, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

  @Masem I should have qualified that as if mentioned in the blurb they should be linked. The posted altblurb which doesn't mention them is fine by me but including technical detail without a link should be avoided. Thryduulf (talk) 20:25, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support International coverage. ArionEstar (talk) 16:43, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• (edit conflict) Support given the historic nature of the aircraft -- lomrjyo ^talk 16:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support lots of coverage this side of the world as well for this accident Josey Wales ^Parley 18:12, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support. This appears to be an incident which has gathered international attention and the article is of substantial quality. This sort of crash is uncommon and there is precedent (as noted by our posting of the 2019 Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress crash) that this sort of thing reasonably merits inclusion at ITN. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:24, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support - Spectacular tragedy and widely reported, with the historic aircraft an additional factor. Jusdafax (talk) 19:18, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Posted altblurb. DatGuy^Talk_Contribs 19:57, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

  As article creator, grateful for the nomination and addition to the lead news section and to see the article garnered significant attention. In addition to the obvious human loss, this is a significant loss for the history of American aviation. Ppt91 (talk) 20:40, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Fix blurb The current blurb is awful: "In the United States, six people are killed in a mid-air plane collision at an air show in Dallas, Texas." This spends far too much energy explaining that Dallas is in Texas which is in the United States, which most of our readership already knows. None of that it is significant. What matters is that the crash involved two WW2 aircraft and we even have an article about one of them: Texas Raiders. ITN is supposed to help readers navigate to relevant articles, not teach basic geography! Andrew🐉(talk) 21:47, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

  The main related article is always bolded. Other links can be a bit more subjective and arguably oversaturate the blurb at times. —Bagumba (talk) 01:05, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per above. Not the level of disaster we cover. Any reason it was posted when it was on the verge of a snow close earlier? Confused.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:19, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

  Presumably because after the "snow close" suggestion there were nine supports and only one further oppose. I can see why DatGuy judged that as a consensus to post, even if I'm indifferent to the nom myself. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:38, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

  Closers can expect occasional heat when posting with this level of consensus, but I don't see this instance as an obvious pull either. —Bagumba (talk) 01:07, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

  Consensus can change. When posting, there were five opposes and ten supports (including nom). I found the argument of the type of aircrafts and precedent to counter the significane argument. DatGuy^Talk_Contribs 14:00, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Support Lots of coverage, this type of collision is uncommon given the nature of both of these aircraft. Editor 5426387 (talk) 02:25, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• Post-posting support although the blurb should be improved (no clue as to how, though). Quantum XYZ (chat) 15:30, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose I'm not sure how this is notable, or likely even enduring. There was some world-wide TV coverage at the time - likely more for the explosion-porn aspect of it. Vintage plane crashes were common enough pre-Covid - look at this list from just one country! Given the low death-toll, and not even any reported injuries on the ground, I don't understand the support for this - especially given how quickly it dropped out of the news cycle. Nfitz (talk) 22:23, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Post-posting oppose, fwiw. Almost certainly wouldn't have been posted from any other country (except possibly the UK). Dropped out of the news cycle within a day. Black Kite (talk) 22:26, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Post-posting oppose too, its interesting in that it doesnt often occur, but cmon 6 dead in a freak occurrence is front page worthy? nableezy - 23:51, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Pull per above. BilledMammal (talk) 23:54, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Pull. Tragic, freak accident, but not nearly on the scale of disasters that get posted to ITN. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:07, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• I'm sympathetic to this story, as both planes are among the last of their kind that are airworthy, so I won't advocate for outright pulling, but I think more discussion time would have been valuable, as many of the original support rationales are quite weak. Curbon7 (talk) 00:50, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  More worthy of a DYK than ITN imo. nableezy - 01:26, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Post-posting support Mid-air collisions are exceedingly rare. A mid-air collision which kills 6 people (the same number of deaths in the bombing we just posted) AND which involves two aircraft that are among the last of their type, thus attracting fairly widespread global coverage? In my eyes, that meets the threshold for ITN, and that is why a consensus initially formed to post. Flip^andFlopped ツ 15:47, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Mehran Karimi Nasseri

Article: Mehran Karimi Nasseri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Renewal6 (talk · give credit) and Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The Iranian traveller that had been living in CdG airport for 18 years that inspired "The Terminal". One CN that I see. Masem (t) 21:10, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

• I've added a second citation needed tag. There is also an uncited sentence at the end of the Life... section but I don't see that one as contentious enough to hold up posting so I've not tagged it. Thryduulf (talk) 21:26, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
• Needs some ref improvement. - Indefensible (talk) 21:39, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support definitely more notable than many South Dakotan representatives we occasionally see pop up here. --Synotia (talk) 12:32, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Synotia, please be reminded that notability is not a criterion for RD. However, to qualify for RD, the wikibio needs to be cleaned up first. More notable people won't get onto RD if their wikibio still needs fixing. --PFHLai (talk) 16:15, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Five {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 16:15, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support. All the issues appear to have been resolved. Thryduulf (talk) 10:36, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support,It is a notable story and article is good enough. Alex-h (talk) 17:08, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 00:10, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) Women's Rugby Union World Cup

Article: 2021 Rugby World Cup Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In rugby union football, New Zealand (captain and player of the match Ruahei Demant pictured) defeat England in the final of the 2021 Rugby World Cup. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In rugby union, New Zealand (captain and player of the match Ruahei Demant pictured) defeat England in the final of the 2021 Rugby World Cup.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Complete article on the final. Presuming we link the final rather than tournament. And yes, the 2021 World Cup. Kingsif (talk) 09:13, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Comment - Did we blurb the cup in 2017? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:16, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

@PrecariousWorlds: Yes :) Kingsif (talk) 11:37, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Then Support PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:49, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

• Comment Need prose about the final game, its just a table right now. --Masem (t) 12:56, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Wait no actual prose about the game other than in the lead (which needs to reflect the article content). Thus not yet been updated enough as per WP:ITNCRIT. Comment by James Lewis Bedford (talk) 13:23, 12 November 2022 (UTC) – Wait strikethrough and now support as per issues addressed by Kinkgsif below. Edit by James Lewis Bedford (talk) 06:04, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Oppose on quality Background section does not cite any sources XxLuckyCxX (talk) 21:41, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Now added references. Kingsif (talk) 23:48, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

• Comment Now has summary, proposed image is in article, added other images, too. @Masem and XxLuckyCxX: Kingsif (talk) 04:55, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose This is not ITN/R as that item is just the men's event. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:55, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson: Well I never said it was ITNR, just that it was posted last time, and I know you know that it's wrong to oppose something just because it isn't ITN/R (aka most things) rather than evaluate its own merits. Kingsif (talk) 12:48, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

It was marked as ITN/R, which I recognised from the green tint. Kingsif has since changed it. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:22, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't appreciate the implication of that comment; as said, I never marked it ITN/R. You have also not expanded on whether you think only ITN/R items can possibly get posted, with an unexplained !oppose. Kingsif (talk) 13:33, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• The claim that this was the first final to see someone receive a red card needs a citation, but other than that the quality looks good and it seem significant so support when citation provided. Thryduulf (talk) 13:55, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support Article is in good shape. I’ve commented out the uncited statement mentioned by Thryduulf above. Schwede66 16:14, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support. The article subject is sufficiently notable to warrant inclusion at ITN and I see no remaining issues with article quality at this time. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:39, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support looks good to go. If it has been postponed in previous years, perhaps it's time for the Women's Rugby Union World Cup to be included as ITNR. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:54, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

  Especially given how they've changed the marketing/promotion so that the men's and women's are essentially different tournaments under the same competition. A similar thing has happened in Rugby League. Comment by James Lewis Bedford (talk) 22:18, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Marked item as Ready as all concerns and opposes have either been resolved or are unexplained. Comment by James Lewis Bedford (talk) 22:21, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - the "Route to the final" section contains nested tables, which is a violation of MOS:ACCESS as it confuses screen readers. This should be fixed before the blurb is posted.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:57, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• @Amakuru: Resolved now, with mini-tables and prose. Kingsif (talk) 00:24, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Posted. Spencer^T•C 02:42, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

November 11

Portal:Current events/2022 November 11

November 11, 2022 (2022-11-11) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russo-Ukrainian War 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine 2022 Ukrainian southern counteroffensive Ukrainian troops enter the city of Kherson, the only Ukrainian regional capital captured by Russia during the invasion, ending the city's eight-month occupation by Russian forces. (CNN) Russian forces destroy the Antonivka Road Bridge as they retreat from the west of the Dnieper. (The New York Times) United States and the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine The Russian Foreign Ministry bans 200 U.S. citizens from entering Russia, including White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre and three siblings of President Joe Biden. (Reuters) Business and economy 2022 food crises, Economic impact of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine The Food and Agriculture Organization forecasts that by the year's end, global spending on food imports will have increased by 10 percent from the previous year to reach "an all-time high" of US$1.94 trillion, due to currency depreciations and the war in Ukraine. "The bulk" of this increase in spending will be by high-income countries while food import "volumes are also expected to rise." (AFP via The Economic Times) Disasters and accidents Twelve people are killed when a tank truck explodes in Ofu, Kogi State, Nigeria. (AP) International relations Accession of East Timor to ASEAN East Timor is granted observer member status of the ASEAN bloc of nations, with a roadmap to membership established. The country welcomes the decision as it currently experiences high levels of unemployment and malnourishment. (AFP via The Bangkok Post) UN motion to seek ICJ opinion on the legal implications of Israel's occupation of Palestinian territory The United Nations General Assembly Fourth Committee adopts a resolution to request the opinion of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) on the effects of the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories. It will then proceed to the United Nations General Assembly for final approval. (Haaretz) Politics and elections 2024 Republican Party presidential primaries Former Montana Secretary of State and State Senator Corey Stapleton announces his candidacy for the Republican Party nomination in the 2024 United States presidential election. (GlobeNewswire)

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RD: John Aniston

Article: John Aniston (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Greek-American actor. - Indefensible (talk) 16:39, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Support Death just announced today. Article is sufficiently sourced. Star Mississippi 22:53, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose some citations missing in the Personal life section and the filmography is entirely unsourced. Thryduulf (talk) 01:28, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support I've commented out the uncited bits (I can see a case for their complete removal, as they don't strike me as improtant); the article now seems good to go. Curbon7 (talk) 02:22, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• The Filmography section has zero footnotes. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 11:00, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

RD: Sir Ian Barker

Article: Ian Barker (jurist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chief Justice of New Zealand tribute
Credits:

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Paora (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: New Zealand High Court judge. I've expanded from the source I've linked above - Dumelow (talk) 12:37, 14 November 2022 (UTC) Dumelow (talk) 12:37, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support, although consider merging the Personal life and Honours sections as both are rather short. Thryduulf (talk) 14:22, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Keith Levene

Article: Keith Levene (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Ceoil (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Founding member of The Clash and Public Image Ltd. Thriley (talk) 23:20, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. There are two CN tags in the prose and the discography is largely unsourced. Thryduulf (talk) 13:57, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
  • The discography sect is fine now. Levene was a very influential guitarist Ceoil (talk) 03:07, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
    • Support. All referencing issues now resolved. Marking ready. Thryduulf (talk) 10:38, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support not in an ideal state, but now fully cited. Have fleshed out the lead. Article now includes the cited claim "one of the most influential guitarists of all time" and 28 refs. Ceoil (talk) 03:14, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Looks ready to post. Thriley (talk) 03:45, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• Indeed, posted. DatGuy^Talk_Contribs 15:48, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Rajni Kumar

Article: Rajni Kumar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian educator. Ktin (talk) 16:41, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support. Article is good enough. Thryduulf (talk) 21:27, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 17:28, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sven-Bertil Taube

Article: Sven-Bertil Taube (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by BabbaQ (talk · give credit)
• Updated by W.carter (talk · give credit) and Ango74 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 BabbaQ (talk) 10:26, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support One of Sweden's most notable artists from an equally notable artist family. Article is in nice shape thanks to BabbaQ. cart-Talk 14:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
• Comment: "During the 1980s and 1990s, Taube starred in a number of Swedish films and television series, while keeping his music career alive." could do with a citation; the filmography includes only three entries for those two decades, one of which is British, so does not support the claim. Thryduulf (talk) 16:15, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Fixed.--BabbaQ (talk) 16:33, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Films added and claim reinstated. cart-Talk 18:49, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

+Support. No outstanding issues I can see. Thryduulf (talk) 21:29, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support - Clearly ready to be posted. Jusdafax (talk) 10:50, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 13:27, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

RD: Gallagher

Article: Gallagher (comedian) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Yahoo!
Credits:

• Nominated by CoatCheck (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Prop and observational comedian, best known for his watermelon-smashing routine and many popular specials in the 1980s. CoatCheck (talk) 17:51, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. Lots of citations needed, most explicitly tagged. Thryduulf (talk) 23:17, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

RD: Kevin Conroy

Article: Kevin Conroy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [7]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 16:36, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. A few more citations needed in the prose, lots more in the filmography and the awards is completely unreferenced. Thryduulf (talk) 23:19, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support He is the most iconic voice of Batman. Djprasadian (talk) 01:17, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

  Fully support 212.187.94.178 (talk) 13:04, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

  The only thing that matters for ITN is that the article is of sufficient quality. This one is not. Thryduulf (talk) 13:59, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) FTX bankruptcy

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: FTX (company) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ FTX, one of the world's largest cryptocurrency exchanges, files for bankruptcy. (Post)
News source(s): Wall Street Journal
Credits:

• Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I tend to take a restrained approach to posting business news, but this looks to be legitimately a huge deal. Front page news globally amid a rout in crypto markets. Ad Orientem (talk) 16:29, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support The fall of crypto is big news. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:37, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

  The WP:PROSELINE in FTX (company)#History needs to be addressed before posting. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:24, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support It's been, on and off, the top story on FT, Bloomberg, and the WSJ for days. — Mainly 17:06, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Bankruptcy is one of those ways that companies regularly get out of a bad financial situation. This is standard business news, and given the finicky nature of cryptocurrency on WP, we should be very wary of this stuff. --Masem (t) 17:54, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support. If Microsoft or Apple or Lockheed Martin went bankrupt I'm fairly sure those would be posted. Crypto is an area of strong interest, so much so that editing about it is under sanctions. 331dot (talk) 18:03, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

  Filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy is not the end of a company or the like, though it does imply it is in financial trouble. It's like an athlete stating they are retiring, something that can always be undone. Masem (t) 18:07, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

  And I think we should post notable retirements too. Something should not need to be written in stone or otherwise irreversible to be posted. 331dot (talk) 18:23, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

  FTX is not a company on the level of Microsoft, Apple, or Lockheed Martin. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

  While I'm not familiar with crypto, from what I read, this was a very important company in that world. 331dot (talk) 09:49, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose bankruptcies aren't really ITN material in my opinion. FTXs value was overinflated in the first place. Moreover, it seems like we don't really post bankruptcies. Previously nominated were: Sri Lanka in July 2022, Whiting Petrolium in April 2020, Thomas Cook and Purdue Pharma in September 2019, PG&E in January 2019, Sears in October 2018, Gibson in May 2018, Toys R Us in March 2018. None of those were posted. And in the end, Sri Lanka, Whiting Petrolium (merged with Chord Energy), PG&E, Sears, Gibson, and Toys R Us successfully exited bankruptcy and continue to do business. YD407OTZ (talk) 22:03, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

YD407OTZ Well, we don't post something until we do. Consensus can change. If it doesn't, fair enough, but we have to start somewhere. 331dot (talk) 21:42, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose bankruptcies aren't necessarily notable, especially for a company in what's still largely a niche industry. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:25, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• óppose per above. Not of earth shattering importance.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:28, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

I cannot find in the ITN criteria where it says "earth shattering importance" is required. 331dot (talk) 00:13, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support in principle Interesting story and I'm seeing quite a lot of coverage. The article does need improving though, to fix the PROSELINE issues mentioned above. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:18, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support Bankruptcy of a company, especially one of the largest in cryptocurrency, would be rather an interesting story to be posted, story had a lot of coverage. Editor 5426387 (talk) 03:41, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support A reasonable blurb (major event in business, global significance) which will certainly help un-gatekeep blurbing. Curbon7 (talk) 09:04, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Leaning oppose - I can see both sides on this, but, per Masem, I don't think this is notable enough for ITn PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:38, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose I don’t see any major impact that could cause a financial crisis, demand a policy response or leave millions of people decepted. A three-year old company employing 300 people with an annual revenue of $1 billion and a minor market share in its industry goes bankrupt. That’s what it is. Sorry, it’s not Arthur Andersen or Lehman Brothers.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:21, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Support - Although not a bank like the Lehman brothers and causing a crash to the USD, FTX was the second largest crypto exchange, and its bankruptcy of over $16billion and has had a profound effect on the entire crypto market. The recent crypto crash is a result of this and something of this caliber is likely to receive a response from the SEC on regulation. I think the shock-factor with this bankruptcy is that this company was levering funds it didn't have and that those involved in the crypto community did not think a crypto organisation of this size would become insolvent like this. GR86 (📱) 21:30, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per above. Nothing official, and the cryptocurrency market is something practically irrelevant in the "real" world moved by "somewhat peculiar" people. _-_Alsor (talk) 03:14, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

  debatable per the IMF GR86 (📱) 16:15, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support. The collapse of the second largest crytocurrency exchange is an event of international significance and will have an impact broadly on cryptocurrency around the world. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:29, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support - this is big news, and the scale of this is larger than MF Global and around the size of the Madoff ponzi. This is not just some company going bankrupt. --Molochmeditates (talk) 05:05, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

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(Closed) Recapture of Kherson

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Article: 2022 Ukrainian southern counteroffensive (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ukraine recaptures the city of Kherson from Russian forces following their retreat. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by 331dot (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: I do not believe every step of the war should be posted as a blurb, but the recapture of the only regional capital to fall in this conflict seems a notable step. 331dot (talk) 16:02, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose good faith nom. A fairly significant development militarily, but already covered in ongoing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:22, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

This highlights a different article than Ongoing, which is about the broader conflict. 331dot (talk) 16:36, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Not exactly a reliable source, but if something actually comes of this, I might support a blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:24, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support Like nom, I don't support blurbing every progress update of the war, but this does have special geopolitical significance as Kherson was the only regional capital captured by Russian forces at any point. The Kip (talk) 16:47, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose See ongoing, It's not unexpected or unusual for territory to change hands in wars. We didnt blurb other victories/ends of battles like the fall of Mariupol either. The end of a battle dont merit a burb, the end of the war probably would. The war stories that we did blurb were blurbed for reasons that reflect a particular significance of an event in a historical context. (bucha warcrimes, and the Moskva being the worst loss the Russian Navy has suffered since WWII) ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  17:08, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

This is historically significant, the recapture of the only captured regional capital. I haven't understood the general resistance to posting things here that's developed in recent years. What are we afraid of? 331dot (talk) 18:00, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Donetsk and Luhansk city say hi. It's not the only captured regional capital under Russian control, even if not recently captured. In terms of significance, I would argue the defeat in Kharkiv and retreat of Kyiv are just as significant; as was the fall of Mariupol being Ukraine's last holdout on the Sea of Azov but we didn't blurb those, since at the core they just represent conclusions of smaller battles in a bigger war which is covered in ongoing; Kherson isn't even fully liberated since most of the land of the Oblast is on the other side of the Dnieper. ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  18:52, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

4iamking You'll want to tell the BBC that, that's where I got that claim, and it's in their headline right now. 331dot (talk) 19:04, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

BBC's headline can be whatever, 1 source doesn't dictate reality necessarily. BBC's headline has the caveat "since the war began" which is more accurate, But it certainly isn't the only controlled territorial capital. Even Sievierodonetsk which was the de-facto Ukrainian capital of Luhansk before the war is captured. Im not denying that its a major victory for 1 waring party and a defeat for the other, but there are lots of those occurrences in this war, and they need not all be blurbed, since thats why it is in ongoing; else we'd be doing in on a monthly basis. ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  19:12, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per the monarch above me. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:28, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support This is the only regional capital captured by Russia and control of the city essentially had become the symbol of Russian occupation. Scaramouche33 (talk) 18:15, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose covered by ongoing, not an indication of a key event of the war. --Masem (t) 18:55, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

The BBC says "Today was a hugely consequential moment in a war now in its ninth month". So if it's not a key event, they need to fire their journalists and start over. 331dot (talk) 19:06, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support Seems to be quite a notable event in the conflict, on par with the retreat from Kyiv after the Russians screwed up badly. This is a major defeat in the southern region of the conflict. Noah^Talk 19:21, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support Significant development. 142.122.91.106 (talk) 20:10, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose already covered in ongoing not need to repeat it. Shadow4dark (talk) 20:13, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support - Article is decent. It's in the news. Cherson is big city. Also there are no Putin's forces on right side of Dnieper anymore. Seems pretty big news. --Jenda H. (talk) 20:35, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

  I mean technically there is a Russian military presence west of the Dnieper.... in Smolensk, but I'll see myself out. I still don't the end of this battle is any more significant to get blurbed from the end of every other battle in this war that never made the cut.. Russia ceded far less land back than they did when they withdrew from either Kharkiv or Kyiv this time around. ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  22:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

• Ôppose. Covered by Ongoing.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose we've already decided not to post anything related to the war. Banedon (talk) 00:17, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

  where was this decision? clearly not the case since other war related developments have been posted; the blurbs we haven't had so far are the "belligerent x captures y"; which is basically what this is. ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  00:36, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

  Um, no we didn't. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:27, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Support Significant Development, the retaking of an regional capital in an area occupied for over 8 months would be major news. Editor 5426387 (talk) 03:44, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

• Strong Support biggest victory since Kiev. We posted the fall of a bridge, this is a far bigger event.

𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 ☎️ 📄 04:12, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose We really shouldn't be posting a blow by blow commentary on this conflict while ignoring other conflicts around the world. HiLo48 (talk) 04:14, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - Important event, but this is covered by ongoing. There wasn't war in Crimea when Ukraine bombed the bridge, so we blurbed that. Quantum XYZ (chat) 06:12, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Russia occupies Crimea, and Ukraine has long stated its intentions to both reclaim it and destroy the bridge. 331dot (talk) 09:47, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Also there was long series of destroyed military targets in Crimea long before Kerch Bridge explosion. So arguing there "wasn't war in Crimea" seams like uninformed opinion to me.--Jenda H. (talk) 16:06, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Leaning Support - Pretty split on this one, but we posted the Crimean Bridge explosion, and this is a much larger development in the war, possibly the largest in the last 6 months. Could have big consequences. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:40, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support per 331 dot Bumbubookworm (talk) 12:17, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose On-going. I would rather see a blurb when the war ends. – robertsky (talk) 18:36, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

  Just to elaborate on my oppose. I have not followed the pace of the war blow by blow, nor being an arm-chair general/amateur war analyst pouring over OSINT, but the fight definitely isn't over on both sides, the lines may change again for one reason or another. Hence, until the war is over in either side's favour or some other events giving the fight a long pause (i.e. North Korea vs South Korea who are still technically at war but under a long time truce), I don't think we should post such news up (like I didn't think, and still do not, that it was appropriate to post the Crimean bridge explosion). (WP:CRYSTAL here, and who knows that we be slapped in our face if there's a sudden surge somewhere somehow on the Russian side reversing the capture.) – robertsky (talk) 07:50, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Shanes (talk) 18:46, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support The BBC is calling this the most important development since the retreat from Kyiv’s suburbs and that seems like a reasonable description to me. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support - Definitely an historic turn of events. This recapture marks a significant change on this war.BabbaQ (talk) 22:57, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support per BBC and others. BilledMammal (talk) 07:53, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose The target article is of poor quality, being mostly proseline based on unreliable, partisan sources such as Russian milbloggers. It makes fanciful points such as listing Syria as a participant while ignoring more significant factors such as the weather and mud. And the final scope of this southern counteroffensive remains to be seen; "it ain't over 'til it's over". Andrew🐉(talk) 08:42, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - I'm with opposers in noting this news event is covered in ongoing. Jusdafax (talk) 10:54, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support. The BBC (and other agencies) are indicating that this is the most significant event since Russia's failed Kyiv offensive. Ukraine pushing Russia out of a swath of what Russia claims to have annexed is a major development and warrants inclusion as a line-item on ITN. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:32, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Opposeit is in ongoing events and it is rather normal for territory to change hands during war.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:22, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Strong Support--UkrainianCossack (talk) 00:44, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Wolf Schneider

Article: Wolf Schneider (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Süddeutsche Zeitung
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit) and Renewal6 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German journalist, author and language critic Grimes2 (talk) 12:06, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. Citations needed for the last part of the first paragraph in the Life section and the entries in the Literature section which lack ISBNs. Thryduulf (talk) 14:01, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

   Done Grimes2 (talk) 14:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

  Support. All the issues are now resolved and no new ones have been introduced. Thryduulf (talk) 17:09, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

• Comment I plan to improve, but won't get to it until later today. Patience please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:11, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

  done - not sure if Sprachpapst is "godfather of language" (literally would be pope), please check, Thryduulf and all --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:39, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support. The issues raised by Thryduulf have been fixed. Renewal6 (talk) 14:09, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

  Yes, marking ready. Thryduulf (talk) 17:09, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 18:02, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Siddhaanth Vir Surryavanshi

Article: Siddhaanth Vir Surryavanshi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8] [9] [10]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indian television actor ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 11:08, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose the Television section is only about a third referenced, the award is unreferenced and the very short prose section is also missing a citation. Thryduulf (talk) 11:55, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support pending a few more citations User:ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ has almost single-handedly cleaned up most of the ref issues. Only two or three more items to cover. The Kip (talk) 16:58, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Please be reminded that stubs are not eligible for RD. This short wikibio probably needs another 100 words or so to attain start class. Please expand it. --PFHLai (talk) 04:19, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

  I have expanded the article. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 12:30, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

  The second and third paragraphs of the Career section still need additional references. Thryduulf (talk) 17:11, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

   Done [11]. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 07:35, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support - Sourcing and article form appear to be sufficient. Jusdafax (talk) 11:00, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 20:25, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

November 10

Portal:Current events/2022 November 10

November 10, 2022 (2022-11-10) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Islamic terrorism in Europe, Terrorism in Belgium 2022 Brussels stabbing A police officer is killed and another is injured in a stabbing attack in Brussels, Belgium. The perpetrator is shot and injured. The incident is being investigated as a terrorist attack. (BBC News) Russo-Ukrainian War 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine 2022 Ukrainian southern counteroffensive The Ukrainian military says that it recaptured the city of Snihurivka in Mykolaiv Oblast, the last remaining city controlled by Russia in the oblast. (Voice of America) Ukrainian troops recapture the village of Kyselivka, advancing within nine miles of the city centre of Kherson. Explosions are reported near the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant. (The Guardian) Foreign aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War The Pentagon announces that it will send four AN/TWQ-1 Avenger surface-to-air missile systems, Stinger missiles, 400 grenade launchers, 100 humvees, and other artillery rounds and small arms ammunition to Ukraine as part of its latest $400 million weapons package to support the Ukrainian military. (The Hill) Moro conflict Three soldiers and four Moro Islamic Liberation Front militants are killed in a gunbattle in Basilan, Philippines. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2022 Atlantic hurricane season Two people are killed after Hurricane Nicole makes landfall in Florida, United States, thereby bringing the death toll from the hurricane to eight. (The Wall Street Journal) Ten people are killed, nine of them Indians, and many others are injured after a fire occurs at a building housing migrant workers in Malé, Maldives. (Al Jazeera) International relations 2022 G20 Bali summit The Russian embassy in Jakarta confirms that President Vladimir Putin will not attend the G20 summit in Bali on November 15–16. However, the embassy intends to have Putin attend the summit virtually. (AFP via The Manila Times) Law and crime Treatment of women by the Taliban A Taliban spokesman for the Ministry for the Propagation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice says that the group has issued an edict banning women from gyms, public parks and fun fairs because people were ignoring segregation orders and women were not wearing hijabs appropriately. (ABC News) (AFP via The Guardian) Science and technology NASA announces that an approximately 15 by 15 feet (4.6 m × 4.6 m) section of the Space Shuttle Challenger has been found by divers in the Atlantic Ocean. It is the first debris from the shuttle to be found since 1996. (AP)

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(Closed) 2022 Nepal earthquake

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Article: 2022 Nepal earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A 5.7 magnitude earthquake strikes Nepal, leaving at least six people dead. (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by बडा काजी (talk · give credit)
• Created by Quake1234 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Quake1234 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: The earthquake was widely felt in western Nepal and northern India. बडा काजी (talk) 22:53, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose, small scale. Our earthquake lists only consider 6.0 and above as significant. Stephen 23:35, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per Stephen. Not a high number of casualties either. _-_Alsor (talk) 00:51, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose, even if article quality were up to scratch, as it's a local event with no wider impact and no broader notability beyond the region. Schwede66 02:01, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose barring any significant increase in death toll. --Masem (t) 02:04, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Oppose Small scale both in terms of death toll and literal scale. MyriadSims (talk) 02:37, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Oppose as per above Editor 5426387 (talk) 03:47, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Oppose - per above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:07, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

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(Withdrawn) Ongoing removal: Mahsa Amini protests

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Article: Mahsa Amini protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: No major protests in the past week. No fresh updates to the article. RAN1 (talk) 18:40, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose No major protests doesn't mean there aren't protests. The name is just 'Mahsa Amini protests', and doesn't specify major protests. And besides, the article itself states that they are "an ongoing series of protests" MyriadSims (talk) 20:38, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

@MyriadSims: They're ongoing, but they're not in the news anymore. I've seen more coverage of the hypersonic missile claim. RAN1 (talk) 05:04, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Per MyraidSims 𝕸𝖗 𝕽𝖊𝖆𝖉𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝕿𝖚𝖗𝖙𝖑𝖊|🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦|☎️|📄 20:45, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support while the protests are going, they have lacked the eye of international coverage as they were at the start. The items added to the timeline article are minor facets and major changes in the protests. --Masem (t) 21:36, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Now Oppose as I am seeing a decent news bump in international coverage though as a reminder, the article (or at least the timeline) needs to have significant updates to keep this in ongoing. --Masem (t) 14:17, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support The Protesting in Iran is, although still ongoing, lacking major changes and had no major protesting in the past week. Editor 5426387 (talk) 03:46, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - While the movement is slowing down, there are still widespread protests and civil unrest in Iran right now. This hasn't gone away. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:58, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Wait – I'm still seeing some decent updates to the article in the past week, though the development of the article has certainly slowed down. I think it's currently still a good ongoing item, but if updates to the article slow down even more it's probably no longer appropriate. The article currently discusses November 5 a lot, and that's more recent than half of the ITN blurbs, if such a comparison means anything. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:31, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

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November 9

Portal:Current events/2022 November 9

November 9, 2022 (2022-11-09) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russo-Ukrainian War 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine 2022 Ukrainian southern counteroffensive Russian forces announce a retreat from the city of Kherson, the western bank of the Dnieper River in Mykolaiv Oblast, and the western part of Kherson Oblast. (BBC News) Russian officials say that deputy head of the Kherson military–civilian administration Kirill Stremousov has been killed in a car crash while travelling to Crimea. Russian President Vladimir Putin issues a decree posthumously awarding Stremousov the Order of Courage. (BBC News) Islamist insurgency in the Sahel French President Emmanuel Macron announces the official end of Operation Barkhane in the Sahel. (Africanews) Israeli–Palestinian conflict A Palestinian teenager is killed and three others are injured in Nablus as clashes occur between Israeli soldiers and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade at Joseph's Tomb when the latter allegedly opened fire on Jewish worshippers. (Times of Israel) Business and economy 2021–2022 inflation surge Economy of Greece Greek workers begin a strike demanding higher wages amid rapidly increasing inflation in the country, with the main trade union calling it "suffocating". Ground transport, flights, and ferry services are disrupted due to the strike. (Reuters) 2021–present United Kingdom cost of living crisis The UK's Royal College of Nursing announces the first strike in the union's 106-year history as it demands higher wages for medical workers in order to keep up with rising inflation. (BBC News) The International Monetary Fund agrees to a preliminary deal with Bangladesh for a US$4.5 billion loan to support the struggling Bangladeshi economy amid rising energy and food prices. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2022 Atlantic hurricane season Tropical Storm Nicole makes landfall in the Bahamas, with flooding and power outages reported in the Abaco Islands. In the United States, Walt Disney World and other resorts in Florida close because of the storm. (AP) Nine people are killed in a house fire in Yıldırım, Bursa Province, Turkey. (AP)

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(Posted) RD: Werner Schulz

Article: Werner Schulz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TAG24
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German politician of the Greens, active in the Peaceful Revolution, later member of parliament (CEO of his party there) and European parliament. He collapsed at the president's office at a memorial event where he was siüüpsed to speak. The article isn't yet where I want it, but I'm busy today, - please check and help. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:51, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

• Comment I don't know what Schulz was considered the only profiled civil rights activist from East Germany who prevailed permanently in his party. (the final sentence of the lead) means so I can't tell whether it is supported by the body of the article or not. Other than that, I see no issues. Thryduulf (talk) 14:05, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

  ... nor do I, - I found that sentence, and hesitate to remove the work of others. It's exactly one of the things I meant saying "not yet where I want it". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

  I gave him more lead, which made that strange sentence obsolete. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:32, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

  I now also gave him a few more details. Someone nice added 3 obits (in German) which could be used further, but I have no more time today, sorry, last day of vacation, and travel tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:29, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

  He was dismissed in 1980 because he protested against the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. could do with a better source, the original German source uses "Kündigung" which can be translated equally as "dismissed" or "resigned" and the context doesn't make one more or less likely than than the other. Thryduulf (talk) 14:34, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

  Support. That issue has been resolved and I've not spotted any others. Thryduulf (talk) 01:31, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 02:35, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

(Closed) Operation Barkhane

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Article: Operation Barkhane (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ France ends its military operation against Islamist insurgents in the Sahel. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ France ends Operation Barkhane against Islamist insurgents in the Sahel.
News source(s): BBC AfricaNews
Credits:

• Nominated by Nice4What (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: All troops withdrawn from Mali. Several troops are left in neighboring countries but are awaiting for their roles to be reassigned. Decade-long military intervention that's now over. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 14:56, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support. Significant geopolitical event. The citation for the withdrawal used the deprecated parenthetical format, but I've reformatted it. There are some proseline issues, but not enough to disqualify it. POV issues should also be looked into (as is often the case, the criticism section presents serious POV concerns). I prefer the first blurb. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:14, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
• If this is now past tense the article needs a few edits to achieve this. Also the infobox has quite a bit of bloat - for instance Charles III is listed under "commanders and leaders" which is a case of "technically I see what you are doing but in reality it looks silly". --LukeSurl ^t c 16:38, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
• Comment: Article could use a little more information about the end of this operation. The sentence just prior to the one announcing the end of the operation in the article seems to suggest that there are still French troops there, and that the operation is being reformulated, so this could use a little more clarification. Spencer^T•C 01:48, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

  Comment article missing aftermath/conclusion and it is unclear what they did. Shadow4dark (talk) 10:40, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Support - per Thebiguglyalien PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:59, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Seems to be mostly a regrouping: "Around 3,000 French soldiers remain in Burkina Faso, Chad and Niger. There are no immediate plans for a reduction in numbers." The insurgencies in the Sahel and Mahgreb continue. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:08, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support - Significant geopolitical event, indeed. Definitely for ITN.BabbaQ (talk) 22:59, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support - Interesting, well sourced, informative. Jusdafax (talk) 11:06, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support. This is a significant geopolitical event that substantially impacts the security situation in the Sahel. This warrants inclusion at ITN. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:33, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
• Comment: I see this marked as "ready" but not seeing the level of expansion for this to be ready IMO. I did leave a comment above stating that more clarification is needed, so will leave to another admin to assess. At present, all the article has for the past 3 months is: French forces completed their withdrawal from Mali on 15 August.[13] The French military stated that 3,000 troops will remain in the Sahel region as part of Operation Barkhane and added that it was not ending, but being reformulated.[14] However on November 9, Macron announced the end of Operation Barkhane and stated that some French troops will remain in the region under new arrangements. More clarification is needed regarding what "new arrangements" actually means. Spencer^T•C 02:34, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
  • "(READY!)" now removed from the header. --PFHLai (talk) 04:00, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

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(Posted) RD: Hans-Joachim Klein

Article: Hans-Joachim Klein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Ouest France
Credits:

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German militant, associate of Carlos the Jackal. Dumelow (talk) 14:20, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support. Citation and coverage are sufficient for ITN. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:07, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
• One citation needed tag (just added), that fact is not sourced in the linked article either. Thryduulf (talk) 18:05, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Support it looks like PFHLai has done a good job in tidying up the article and checking all the citations so I've added them to the updaters. Thryduulf (talk) 01:48, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 01:52, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

RD: Bao Tong

Article: Bao Tong (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by KTC (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: "The most senior Communist Party official imprisoned over the Tiananmen protests" KTC (talk) 12:04, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. There are quite a few citations needed, including for some potentially controversial claims (e.g. "His wife, pushed to the ground by a policeman, received a bone fracture in her spine that resulted in her being hospitalized for three months."). I've orange tagged two sections to this effect. Thryduulf (talk) 13:13, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. Insufficient citations. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:06, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
• Multiple footnote-free paragraphs. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 16:08, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

RD: Kirill Stremousov

Article: Kirill Stremousov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Chevvin (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Head of the Russian-occupied Kherson government - allegedly died in a car crash hours before Russia's retreat — Chevvin 16:53, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose Seems mostly good to go, but the bit about him shooting someone with a traumatic pistol is both not explained or cited. Once that's resolved it should be good to go. TartarTorte 19:45, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support major figure in politics of Occupied Ukraine, article looks good. Editor 5426387 (talk) 23:48, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
• Weak oppose. I've sourced and slightly clarified the bit about the traumatic pistol (based on a translation of that source and of the Ukrainian Wikipedia), not my knowledge), however my oppose is because the latter half of the biography is just proseline with some single-sentence paragraphs. Thryduulf (talk) 09:42, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

RD: Gal Costa

Article: Gal Costa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Morre Gal Costa, uma das maiores vozes da música brasileira, aos 77 anos
Credits:

• Nominated by 4me689 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Paradise Chronicle (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brazilian singer of popular music 4me689 (talk) 15:31, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose. Not nearly enough citations. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:25, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
• Comment. She was a major figure in Brazilian music. See here and here. Hopefully, someone can beef up the cites so that she can be on the Main Page. Cbl62 (talk)
• Multiple footnote-free paragraphs. Discography is almost entirely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 14:20, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

November 8

Portal:Current events/2022 November 8

November 8, 2022 (2022-11-08) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war Iranian involvement in the Syrian civil war Unidentified warplanes launch airstrikes against Iranian-backed militias on the Iraq–Syria border, including near the Al-Qa'im border crossing, reportedly killing at least 25 people. Fuel tankers carrying Iranian gasoline to Lebanon are also hit. A senior U.S. official confirms that the strikes were conducted by an "unidentified party" in the area. (The Jerusalem Post) M23 offensive DRC Air Force Sukhoi Su-25 jets bomb areas held by M23 rebels in North Kivu, including the recently captured town of Bunagana. At least one of the jets violated Rwandan airspace, although Kinshasa says that the incident was a mistake and was not intentional. (France 24) Insurgency in Southeastern Nigeria Four people are killed and twelve others are injured by a bombing in Anambra State, Nigeria. (Reuters) Business and economy 2021–2022 inflation surge 2021–present United Kingdom cost of living crisis Grocery inflation reaches a record 14.7% in the United Kingdom in October, with 27% of households saying that they are struggling financially, which is twice as many as last November. (Reuters) The largest lottery prize in history, a US$2.04 billion Powerball jackpot, is claimed by a person in Altadena, California, United States. (ABC News) Disasters and accidents 2022 Nepal earthquake Six people are killed when a magnitude 5.6 earthquake strikes Sudurpashchim, Nepal. (Times of India) Three people are killed after a building collapses in Cairo, Egypt. (AP) Law and crime A student is killed in a shooting at Ingraham High School in Seattle, Washington, United States. (New York Post) (Seattle Times) Politics and elections 2022 United States elections Americans head to the polls to elect members of the next Congress, 39 governors, and numerous other state and local officials. (Reuters) In Massachusetts, Democrat Maura Healey defeats Republican Geoff Diehl in the gubernational election, making her the first elected female Governor of Massachusetts. Healey is also the first ever lesbian governor in US history. (NPR) Sports 2022 FIFA World Cup controversies Qatari FIFA World Cup ambassador Khalid Salman is criticised for describing homosexuality as "damage in the mind" in an interview with German broadcaster ZDF. FIFA has not yet responded. (Reuters) (Fox Sports) Former FIFA President Sepp Blatter says that awarding Qatar the 2022 FIFA World Cup was a "mistake", citing the country's small size and human rights record. Blatter was President of FIFA when Qatar was controversially awarded the tournament in 2010. (BBC News)

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(Posted) RD: Bill Treacher

Article: Bill Treacher (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [12]
Credits:

• Nominated by Stephen (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Exposedtoday (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Arthur Fowler in EastEnders. Announced today. Stephen 20:28, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support, article looks good. Thryduulf (talk) 11:21, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support. The prose could use some improvement, but it's sufficient for ITN. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:25, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Posted. Yes I supported above, but this has been ready for over 24 hours without objection. Thryduulf (talk) 17:58, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

RD: Tom Owen

Article: Tom Owen (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by CoatCheck (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of the last of the Last of the Summer Wine. Played Compo Simmonite's son after the death of his real life father Bill Owen, among other credits. Death announced this date. CoatCheck (talk) 19:25, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose the article gives the impression that those parts without explicit citations are sourced only to IMDB, which is not a reliable source. Thryduulf (talk) 11:23, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. Insufficient citations. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:24, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
• Only 3 footnotes for 300+ words of prose. The list of tv roles is also unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 17:21, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Leslie Phillips

Article: Leslie Phillips (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [13] [14]
Credits:

• Nominated by Thryduulf (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Humbledaisy (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British actor, died yesterday but first reported today. The article starts off well but needs a lot of work on sourcing after that. Thryduulf (talk) 13:46, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Sourcing needed in some statements throughout the prose as well as the Filmography section. Cheers. WimePocy 17:58, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
• Comment I'm currently trying to expand it but issues with my computer are slowing me down. Humbledaisy (talk) 19:58, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support Sufficiently referenced now IMHO. Time to go ahead, Spicemix (talk) 10:21, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
  • The prose is well cited but the filmography still needs a lot of work. Thryduulf (talk) 11:25, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support, Article has enough information. Alex-h (talk) 17:22, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
  • The back half of the Filmography section is still largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 08:09, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support I think it's ready to go now, all filmography sourced with any that can't be removed. Would be great to get Leslie on the homepage. Humbledaisy (talk) 01:52, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Marking ready. I agree it's up to scratch now, well done. Thryduulf (talk) 11:59, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. DatGuy^Talk_Contribs 19:34, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Roger Bhatnagar

Article: Roger Bhatnagar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Indian News Link
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Daniel Quinlan (talk · give credit) and Paora (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian-born New Zealand businessman. Quite short, I've added a little from the above source. More expansion might be possible once obits are published - Dumelow (talk) 09:45, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support it is short, but what's there is good enough for ITN imo. Thryduulf (talk) 13:48, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 12:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

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