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Your submission at Articles for creation: sandbox (July 5)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject—see the general guideline on notability, the golden rule and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners and Help:Introduction to referencing/1), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Wikipedia and Facebook are not reliable sources

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Theroadislong (talk) 15:28, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Michelotti Pura! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Theroadislong (talk) 15:28, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Michelotti Pura (July 6)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by KJP1 was:

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject—see the general guideline on notability, the golden rule and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners and Help:Introduction to referencing/1), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.

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KJP1 (talk) 07:15, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Michelotti Pura

A tag has been placed on User:Michelotti Pura requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that Wikipedia is not a free web hosting service. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Theroadislong (talk) 09:15, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Updated with publishing, web and gadget references

I have updated the page with references to magazine articles and web articles and gadgets available. These can only be referenced for now by linking the official Pura webpage.

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --Michelotti Pura (talk) 09:38, 6 July 2018 (UTC) The automobile is a rare example of an automobile already referenced in wikipedia, regarding the automobile and its designers and engineers. There are International magazine articles and we pages and even a game referencing the automobile as a rare supercar. Frankly I am having some trouble understanding what the problem is. Its an item of historical reference already in part referenced in Wiki and I have added the following magazine references at the bottom of the page. Please tell me what I am doing wrong? Thanks FYI this has been added[reply]

Articles & References

http://michelottipura.strikingly.com/

Motor Magazine UK April 1988 article 'Sport cars for the new age' Page 47

Car Magazine UK June 1988 article 'Style on the street' Stars of the Turin Motor Show pages 102, 104,105, 106 107

Enchapment revue du sport automobile FR June 1988 article 'Michelotti Pura la berlinette au futur anterieur' Front cover, page 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66

Auto Italia magazine UK October 2002 article 'Michelotti Pura prototype rediscovered' Page 28, 29, 30, 31, Motorshow Flyer 1988

Web References http://www.carstyling.ru/en/car/1988_michelotti_pura/

https://auta5p.eu/lang/en/katalog/auto.php?idf=Michelotti-Pura-18055

http://www.coachbuild.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=13388&start=0

Gadgets Top Trumps playing card https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Michelotti-Pura-Cars-Of-The-Future-Top-Trumps-Card-L-/290899663196?hash=item43baf8995c

1/24th scale model http://www.carmodel.com/alezan/29/1-43/alfa-romeo/pura-spider-michelotti-1988/40021

You have created an article on your user page, that is not what it is for, please continue editing the draft that you made instead. Theroadislong (talk) 09:40, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not what User page is for

Your User page is a place for a brief description of you and what you intend to do as a Wikipedia editor, not for drafts of articles. David notMD (talk) 10:10, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

- Should I have created a different user? At the time I just made the user as the name of the page??

Your Sandbox is place to work on drafts. User page is about you. Look at other people's User pages. And sign you name at all Talk with four of ~. David notMD (talk) 12:23, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also look at other articles to learn how referencing is done. Until you fix all this, article not worthy of consideration. David notMD (talk) 12:25, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Michelotti Pura (July 6)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Flat Out was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

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Flat Out (talk) 10:26, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Flat out. I added 5 International publication refernces and we references, what more is needed?

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I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Michelotti Pura. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 10:43, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --Michelotti Pura (talk) 13:08, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I beleive I have now updated the references correctly quoting the Alfa Model Museum and Michelotti Historical Register as well as Journals and Web Pages. Please advise if this is still not correct?

AfC notification: Draft:Michelotti Pura has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Michelotti Pura. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 13:32, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@ Flatout The problem here is its a bit of a dog bite'ing its own tail. So the Michelotti Pura is a one off car that I have owned for 20 years, All the info comes from its webpage or the magazine articles or the motor show documentation. The paragraphs are taken from the webpage and our its specs. Of course as the owner and restorer I am pretty much the authority on this car. But I have a fundamental problem. I can use the magazine articles as source and they show the specs which ironically mostly were supplied by me, but I cant post the articles as images due to copyright. So I have all the documentation, I am the restorer and expert on the specs but you ask for substantiation. So how can I support this if I cant quote myself or the articles that were made on the car or if I quote other wiki pages that refer to its technical designer or the racing car its based on and or the Michelotti web pages? I am totally confused. 1.) I cant show photographs or articles that were written by magazines with my permission? I can even show my own photographs (dont ask my why they are flagged?) or the motor show card with specs. 2.) I cant quote wiki pages that refer to the designers? How am I supposed to substantiate this if you ask me how I know and yet if I am the person that did a lot of this and if I cant show images that substantiate?. Excuse me if I say that I am the authority on this historical road going racing car I am confused. Thanks

Your submission at Articles for creation: Michelotti Pura (July 9)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Flat Out was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

The comment the reviewer left was:

There are two key issues that I see;

1. Nothing is really written as a paragraph. The draft is a series of disconnected sentences. 2. A large portion of what you have written is unsourced, Chassis, Suspension, Engine, Gearbox and drive, Styling Design, Braking, Controls, Fueling and Engineering.

How do you know the information that is included in these sections? Where did you obtain it from? Wherever it is from you need to share it with other editors.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Flat Out (talk) 02:56, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Managing a conflict of interest

Hello, Michelotti Pura. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about in the page Draft:Michelotti Pura, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

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In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Also please note that editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Theroadislong (talk) 15:09, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Michelotti Pura. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 18:54, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Michelotti Pura (July 18)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Flat Out was:

Please look at the article format for the Jaguar Mark VII. A summary of the key points, then an article that discusses the key aspects of the car with (nearly) every statement supported by an inline citation. Take the references you have listed under the section heading Bibliography and apply them to the statements in the article they support. You can also put some of the key information into an infobox and this will simplify your article considerably.

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Flat Out (talk) 03:44, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Flat Out. Hi please now take a look at the sandbox version and advise, Thanks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Michelotti_Pura/sandbox

You still appear to be editing both versions, neither of which are anywhere near suitable for inclusion, Wikipedia cannot be used as a source, ::PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE read WP:REFB for help with formatting sources. Theroadislong (talk) 17:37, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Michelotti Pura I agree with Theroadislong, you really need to look at WP:REFB otherwise you are going to put in a lot of time and effort on a draft that will not be accepted. Its not good writing down what is in your head and then putting a bibliography at the bottom. Every editor needs to be able to verify the claims made. As a simple example, I would write a claim and then have it supported by an inline citation and then using the reflist template at the bottom of the article, it automatically collates the citations. Example: The Holden HK Monaro GTS327 was manufactured in Australia with imported Chevrolet 327 cubic inch engines.^[1]

References

^ https://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/feature-cars/1709/holden-monaro-gts-327-review

Flat Out (talk) 23:56, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Michelotti Pura

Hello, Michelotti Pura. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or draft page you started, Draft:Michelotti Pura.

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it. — JJMC89 (T·C) 05:22, 26 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.tradeuniquecars.com.au/feature-cars/1709/holden-monaro-gts-327-review

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