Talk:Sabrina Carpenter

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Songwriter status[edit]

It's been debated several times via edit summaries whether Sabrina is classed as a songwriter or not. This is because she has wrote the majority of her own songs, but doesn't write for other people. Personally, I would class her as a singer-songwriter, rather than just a singer. What are everyone's thoughts on this? – DarkGlow (talk) 14:29, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just going to ping Geraldo Perez, as he's better at explaining what qualifies somebody for either "songwriter" or "singer-songwriter" status. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:24, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at her credits, it doesn't look like she is the sole songwriter on any of her stuff, just part of a team of writers. It is common for singers to have some creative input to the songs they sing and get listed with the professional songwriters in the credits, in my opinion more as a courtesy than anything else. They don't divide out who does what in the credit, I suspect her input is restricted to the lyrics with melody written by someone else. Singer-songwriters write both lyrics and melody on the stuff they perform and generally don't need help, Taylor Swift is an exemplar. The fact she doesn't write songs for others is more of an indication that songwriting is not a profession, more a adjunct to her singing where she has some creative input to the songs she sings. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:16, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

She's wrote for others briefly. She co-wrote for a duo named Aquila for their song 'Stupid Not to Try' as well as co-wrote 'Heaven is You' by Joshua Bassett. Those are the only two I know of but there could be more. Aw2000921 (talk) 05:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

she also done a collab with Austinstevenmoon(Madanraj) and Nolan Frank music on 14 may 2014. It was his first collab with Sabrina Carpenter and with her band members — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adwerson (talk • contribs) 15:56, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

She has co-written most of her own songs, just like a number of singers classified as songwriters. There is no reason to doubt her status here, and it should in reinstated, in my view. Childeroland (talk) 14:12, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree. I don't know why its not included. Whether or not people think its notable, its what she does. She just released her album, and she is listed a songwriter on EVERY SINGLE SONG IN IT. Plus she has written many of her other songs. I just makes no sense as to why it is not included. Samuelloveslennonstella (talk) 13:47, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She contributes to a songwriting team, I don't see anything she has written on just her own. The others on the team are the professional songwriters, she is the singer who gives input as to what she wants them to write for her and gets a credit for that contribution. Per MOS:ROLEBIO songwriting is not an independent notable activity, it is just an adjunct to her notable career as a singer. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Footnote "b" in MOS:ROLEBIO states "In general, a position, activity, or role should not be included in the lead paragraph if: a) the role is not otherwise discussed in the lead (per MOS:LEAD, don't tease the reader), b) the role is not significantly covered in the body of the article, or, c) the role is auxiliary to a main profession of the person (e.g. do not add "textbook writer", if the person is an academic)." Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominated for 'Artist on the Rise' at the 2018 BreakTudo Awards. https://www.breaktudoawards.com/breaktudo-awards-2018-nominations-see-the-full-list/. Also nominated in 2019 for International Performance in Brazil for her performance on Pocket Show Universal. https://www.breaktudoawards.com/breaktudo-awards-2019-confira-a-lista-completa-de-vencedores/. Then for Best Soundtrack in 2020 for 'Let me move you' from the Netflix movie 'Work It'. https://www.breaktudoawards.com/breaktudo-awards-2020-aqui-estao-os-vencedores/. Nominated for International Album/EP at the 2023 SEC Awards for Emails I Can't Send. Aw2000921 (talk) 06:19, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done RWILD ✉ 12:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life - adding a relationship[edit]

Sabrina dated Bradley Steven Perry in 2014, I forgot when they broke up, but he even references her in his podcast The Sit and Chat when Teala Dunn was a guest. I'm not the best at finding sources but a good Google search should find something talking about them. 76.85.99.1 (talk) 23:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar dispute[edit]

In the article, there appears to be a minor dispute about a sentence saying Carpenter is a niece of Nancy Cartwright, vs. the niece. See these diffs: [1][2]. The correct usage is actually a, not the, as the latter does suggest the only. The former (indefinite article) should be used when we are talking about one of two or more. The second diff explanation does correctly indicate that Sabrina is not the only niece of Cartwright, but the correct grammar usage is to still use a, not the, which is why I reverted that edit (second diff), though my explanation in the edit summary was pretty messed up [3]. MPFitz1968 (talk) 19:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Using "the" in that case is generally the way this sort of relationship information is phrased mostly because we are talking about one relationship at the time and not focusing on anything but the two people in context. It might be more of an idiomatic convention than strictly proper use of articles but using "a" in that sentence sounds "wrong". Could also rephrase it to just say "Actress Nancy Cartwright is her aunt." Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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"Please Please Please" and "Espresso" are listed as top-four hits on the Billboard Hot 100. They should be listed as both being top-three hits. 69.112.246.27 (talk) 21:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 23:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit already made before a response was made here [4]. MPFitz1968 (talk) 00:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox photo, 2024[edit]

@PHShanghai and Ronherry: Didn't realize there was a past discussion on the infobox photo. But consensus can change and I think there are better options to be chosen.

A (2020, current)
B (2019)

B (2019)
C (2020)

More on Commons. Among these three, my preference is B or C equally; A seems of lower quality being so straight-on and kind of frozen, hard to articulate. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 02:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer A, more even lighting. B and C have her face partially shadowed. Also her facial expression in A looks more natural. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vote for C. Either B or C is fine, but the latter is more recent. "A" is very blurry. Bluesatellite (talk) 04:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A is fine and high quality besides it's the closest to what she looks like now. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 14:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I vote for C. C is the best. Her face is relaxed with a gentle smile. Plus, she's looking directly into the camera. In A, she's looking somewhere else, and is relatively less quality (less defined in pixels) than the other two. B is old. C is the best choice. ℛonherry☘ 05:29, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]