Talk:Walter Abel Heurtley

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A fact from Walter Abel Heurtley appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 22 March 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Alan Wace recruited Walter Abel Heurtley, a former military prison governor, to help manage the students of the British School at Athens?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/March. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Walter Abel Heurtley.

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 04:00, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Alan Wace recruited Walter Abel Heurtley, a former military prison governor, to help manage the students of the British School at Athens? Source: Hood, Rachel (1998). Faces of Archaeology in Greece: Caricatures by Piet de Jong. Oxford: Leopard's Head. p. 147. ISBN 0904920380.
- ALT1: ... that Walter Abel Heurtley argued that Philistine pottery had developed to cater to Mycenaean refugees of the Late Bronze Age collapse? Source: Dothan, Trude Krakauer; Dothan, Moshe (1992). People of the Sea: The Search for the Philistines. New York: Macmillan. pp. 51–52. ISBN 0025322613. Retrieved 2024-02-09 – via Internet Archive.
- ALT2: ... that the devout Catholic Walter Abel Heurtley vetoed the use of the word "Madonna" to describe a figurine of a monkey? Source: Hood, Rachel (1998). Faces of Archaeology in Greece: Caricatures by Piet de Jong. Oxford: Leopard's Head. pp. 148–149. ISBN 0904920380.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/February 1983 North American blizzard

Moved to mainspace by UndercoverClassicist (talk). Self-nominated at 18:07, 10 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Walter Abel Heurtley; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:

Nice article. I think I prefer ALTs 0 and 2 ahead of ALT1, which should only be used if the promoter is feeling particularly intellectual. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:41, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 09:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Walter Abel Heurtley/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: UndercoverClassicist (talk · contribs) 10:22, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Rollinginhisgrave (talk · contribs) 03:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this page. Looks good from a glance. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 03:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General comments

Just some questions on sourcing and then onwards and upwards. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 03:52, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking this on -- replies below as needed. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 08:44, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prose/content

Gloss: graduated with a second, "potsherds"
- "Second" is already Wikilinked to a full explanation: I think glossing to "the second-highest degree class" would be redundant, given that it's in the name. Likewise, potsherds is linked: "sherds" means 'fragments' and "pot" means 'pottery', so glossing as "pottery fragments" seems a little silly. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 08:44, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How does that go with MOS:FORCELINK? I apologise, I was unfamiliar with sherd. I will also just pass this as I'm not going to hold up a review if "second" isn't glossed, over to you. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 09:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you -- appreciate your time and the review. To get a more detailed explanation in, MOS:NOFORCELINK is a controversial one -- whenever it comes up at FAC, there's a debate as to the balance between not forcing readers to follow links and not harming the readability of the article by breaking it up with unnecessary explanations and glosses (part of WP:TECHNICAL). There's also friction with other parts of the PAGs, such as WP:ONEDOWN. I'm normally more on the side of glosses than most, but here I don't think the tradeoff is worth it -- readers who understand the sentence as "he graduated with a [grade]" and "organised the collection of [stuff]" aren't too much worse off, and the words themselves are reasonably transparent in a way that (for example) "he graduated as the Senior Wrangler" or "he organised a collection of coproliths" aren't. It's all a balancing act -- fortunately, for GA, MOS:NOFORCELINK is only advisory anyway, but of course the MoS is always to be applied with common sense and always admits exceptions where breaking it makes the article better. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 10:25, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Spot check:

Heurtley joined the BSA in 1921 on an Oxford studentship Y
Eileen Heurtley would accompany and cater for several of her husband's excavations throughout his career. Y
While in Palestine, Heurtley researched Philistine material culture; he argued that Philistine pottery had been manufactured in Palestine to satisfy a demand for Mycenaean-style wares among incomers displaced from the Aegean by the Late Bronze Age collapse. Can you provide the quote that was the basis for Philistine pottery had been manufactured in Palestine?
- {{green|Heurtley's analysis demonstrated [... that ...] only in Philistia [Palestine] did the Late Mycenaean style continue. The twelfth-century BC potters of the mainland, of the Ionian islands, of Crete, Rhodes and Cyprus had all abandoned Mycenaean tradition." (cited, p. 51)
Heurtley insisted that the word "Madonna" be removed from the description of an ivory figurine of a monkey found at the site. Y
He suffered from bouts of malaria, the first in 1924 Could you provide the quote that was the basis for the first in 1924?
- Despite malarial attacks, the first in 1924, he performed the multifarious duties of the Assistant Director and Librarian diligently. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 08:44, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources looking great, thanks for the quotes. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 09:16, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Other

Images appropriately tagged Y
Stable Y
NPOV Y
Broad Y
No OR/COPYVIO Y

Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 03:52, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.