Talk:Big Brother 26 (American season)

Article sections

Two things I'd like to discuss:

1. I know that the changes and additions section (formerly sectionalized as "Twists") is commonly added to BB articles, but I question just how necessary it is? It's entirely unsourced and overall it just feels very WP:FANCRUFTY. It's also worth mentioning that all this information is nearly duplicated word-for-word in the episode section and can/will be addressed in the voting history table. If it's kept it should be sourced, but I'm ultimately proposing we just rid of it and merge the relevant content into other sections. In the episode table it doesn't need sourced as it's sourced to the work itself.
2. I'd like to point out than an IP editor removed the reception section because "Reception not needed till after the season". I'd like to point out that this is not necessarily true, any properly sourced reception can and should be added while the season is airing; however, I do question if what was added is necessary as it was poorly sourced.

Thanks, TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

You know how I feel about all that. Additionally, the table of contestants should be as near to the top of the article as possible. Bgsu98 (Talk) 10:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I'll give it a few more days to see if anyone chimes in, if not I'll go ahead and remove the changes section. As a result, the HouseGuest season will move closer to the top (I think the format section is the only thing that makes sense above above it). I'd rather nip these issues in the bud early than try to deal with it later on. TheDoctorWho (talk) 20:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

In regards to the reception section, just because content is properly sourced doesn't guarantee a spot in the article. We are only interested in major issues, as implied by the name "Critical responses" (subsection).9March2019 (talk) 01:13, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Being that it impacted a full week, and adjusted how some players played and continue to play, it would appear it is a major issue in the game I would think. It harms nothing to keep it in since it has been discussed often both online and in the episodes. Editor82641 (talk) 04:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Also, I get that TMZ is not considered a good source, but as it is run by a lawyer, it won’t post anything that is slander/libel and thus may be better than some sites that post opinions. Also, since reception is about how the season is seen by people, is there a way to site things from social media to note the reception seen from viewers? Editor82641 (talk) 05:30, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Fact is, Big Brother is a social game; so it's completely normal for drama to erupt in the Big Brother house the same way it does for online social media, regardless of what it leads to. 9March2019 (talk) 23:32, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

AI Arena

Can we just have the nominee saved by the AI arena indicated with a strike through in the nominations (post-veto) row? We have no idea how long this twist will last, there’s no need to have two entire rows for it. E51539 (talk) 00:41, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

I agree on grounds of WP:CRYSTALBALL as having additional rows imply the twist would last the entire season when there's no confirmation on that. 9March2019 (talk) 01:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

9March2019, this is no different than whatever season it was that had the camp theme; I believe it was called the Roadkill Competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC) Never mind, I had that twist confused with something else. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:57, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Protected page?

Is there a way someone can protect this wikipedia page? I have seen people adding in winners and runner ups and changing voting history that never happened by users in red. Editor82641 (talk) 06:09, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Any editor can file a request for page protection. TheDoctorWho (talk) 06:19, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Editor82641 (talk) 12:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Evicted Template

@Bgsu98: I created this template so that it matched the table color, but I'm starting wondering if this was the wrong fix for it. Perhaps instead of having a specific template, we should update the color in the voting table to match {{eliminated}}? The color contrast is better and this is the already more-widely used template. Celebrity Big Brother 1 (American season) for example, uses it in the HouseGuest table, as does Big Brother (British TV series) series 14 and Big Brother (Australian TV series) season 12. TheDoctorWho (talk) 17:31, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

I really feel strongly that the colors should match from one table to the next. It makes no sense, for example, to use pink for Eviction in the Contestants table, when we use that same pink to represent quitters on the Voting History table. I believe the colors on the contestants' tables from past seasons have already been refitted to match the colors used on the voting history table; I seem to recall doing that a few years ago.

I also just left a message on your talk page before I saw you posted here. I really don't like the (-) separating the Day. I think putting the day underneath makes the table look neater and narrows the overall width of the table. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:38, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

And I just realized I never got around to revamping the tables on the Celebrity Big Brother pages when I did all of the regular season pages a few years ago. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:39, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

I entirely agree that they shoukd match, i wouldn't suggest anything otherwise. I was just suggesting that we consider matching to Template:Eliminated since it's more widely used, rather than creating one to specifically suit our needs. TheDoctorWho (talk) 17:52, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

I think people are more invested in those colors used on the voting table. I think the color scheme used now is good. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

HouseGuests table - Past seasons

@Bgsu98 should past HouseGuest tables be edited to match the format of the BB24-26 table, with the "Evicted" column and the "Day exited" column being combined to the "Result" column? If so I'll try to fix them at some point. Thanks! TheRealJackMarshall (talk) 18:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2024

This line “The winner of the HoH competition is immune from eviction and selects two HouseGuests to be nominated for eviction.” Should say three houseguests. Not two.

This line “the nominees, and three other HouseGuests chosen by random draw.” should say two other. Not three. 2600:1702:19C0:13A0:D112:591E:C24D:C4D2 (talk) 23:27, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: The standard is to still nominate two HouseGuests. Nominating three is a twist for just a portion of this season, which is mentioned in the episode table, and does not reflect the normal format of the program. TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:57, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Combining notes A&C

Hello, I'm not sure how to edi the notelist under the voting history chart, but here's a suggestion I wanted to make that combines both A&C together: Makensy activated America’s Veto, a power she acquired for placing first in the “Upgrade” competition, to remove herself from the block. America will choose a replacement nominee, who will be revealed during the live eviction. Neither Makensy or Angela, who was vetoed from the block by Tucker, are eligible to be nominated by America.

• If you’re not sure how to edit the notes, then post here what you want each note to say and I will be happy to update them for you. 😃 Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:40, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Bgsu98. Here is how I would personally word it: Makensy activated America’s Veto, a power she acquired for placing first in the “Upgrade” competition, to remove herself from the block. America will choose a replacement nominee, who will be revealed during the live eviction. Neither Makensy or Angela, who was vetoed from the block by Tucker, were eligible to be nominated by America.

Done, with a slight re-wording. Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:57, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

Week 4

The table is not clear. The same color is being used to indicate similar actions despite not being the same. Striking Angela's box and labelling Quinn's via different text is misleading. The label is also wrong, Angela was still Head of Household for the week and this was clearly explained in the episodes. See Big Brother 11 (American season) Week 5 as a better format. ReillyVega (talk) 09:19, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

If you want to expand it over two columns similarly to what was done the previous week, as well as on Season 11, then go for it. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

This page doesn't require 2 columns as no initial nominations were made. The current column needs correcting as it's wrong. As you seem against the version I implemented, please feel free to propose a solution other than the current incorrect version. ReillyVega (talk) 09:28, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

I see that this is still an open topic, and I look forward to your proposed solution to address the current version. ReillyVega (talk) 07:56, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Inconsistency

Across all seasons of Big Brother US there has been clear color indications on the voting chart. Be it over throw of HoH, immunity, removal from the block via competition, etc, these have all be marked. However, when adding similar game mechanics to this page these are removed, despite this being the legacy (and correctly indicated) way of doing the voting charts.

I'm curious to why this page is being treated differently to the other 25? ReillyVega (talk) 18:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Please indicate where your edits match what has been done on previous seasons' tables. For example, Claire's anonymous HOH where she replaced Tiffany on Big Brother 23 (American season) is very similar to Quinn's this season. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Please look at Big Brother 11 (American season), Big Brother 16 (American season) and Big Brother 17 (American season), the similarities are clear to see.

My question remains, why are they not acceptable on this page? ReillyVega (talk) 19:48, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

You need to be more specific, as I have no idea what you're looking at. For example, I cited Claire's stint as shadow HOH in Big Brother 23 (American season) where she replaced Tiffany. Our current set-up matches that of season 23 in that regard. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Season 11, Coup d'etat, similar power to the Deepfake HoH where HoH is overthrown and is clearly labelled with different color.

Season 16/17, Battle of the Block, similar to the AI Arena where nominees win safety that isn't veto, this is clearly labelled with different color.

I ask again, why are these not allowed on this page? ReillyVega (talk) 19:55, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

First of all, you need to have a quick read over WP:OTHERCONTENT. In short: just because similar content exists in other articles, doesn't mean it should automatically be included on another article. It's entirely possible that it should actually be removed from the examples that you have named. That said, it also doesn't prohibit its inclusion here if consensus heads that way.

This is my view on it: the A.I. Arena is essentially a second veto competition. We don't list the other veto winners via a color in that section of the table, so my question is why should we represent the A.I. Arena with a color when it's already mentioned in the list of nominees directly above in the same table? I don't see a valid reason as it doesn't directly affect the voting process in the same way the other color-coded things do (the HoH can't vote and can't be nominated, the nominees are who people are voting for, or the people who aren't eligible to vote). TheDoctorWho (talk) 20:18, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, that Battle of the Block competition took place before the initial nominations were made; hence, those players were immune from being nominated. In the case of the AI Arena, it is essentially a second Veto competition, and Veto winners are not color-coded on the tables. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:22, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. To build on your point, I’m curious to understand your reasoning for suggesting that the other Big Brother US articles might be incorrect. Over the years, these pages have consistently reflected a general consensus, which suggests they are widely accepted. Additionally, they continue to be edited with the voting charts unchanged.

Regarding the game mechanics, I may not be fully aware of your perspective on the show, but it’s important to note that Veto and AI Arena are quite distinct. The Veto competition involves six players (the nominees, the HoH, and randomly selected players) and allows the winner to remove a nominee, with the HoH naming a replacement. On the other hand, AI Arena is only played by the nominees, and no replacement is named. Therefore, these competitions are not directly comparable. However, AI Arena does share similarities with the Battle of the Block from Big Brother 16 (American season) and Big Brother 17 (American season), where only the nominees participate and the winners are saved from eviction. These seasons the outcome has been included in the voting table, so it seems logical to include AI Arena as well.

You mentioned that the color-coded elements don’t impact the outcome, yet they have been an accepted feature for over 25 pages. If we focus on this particular page, why is the color coding in Week 3 deemed acceptable? Wouldn’t it fall under the same criteria you’re proposing here? ReillyVega (talk) 07:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Well to sum it up, consensus can change. What the consensus was in BB16 is not the same consensus we have now, and said consensus cannot be automatically assumed to be inherited. Take the summary section on BB16 for example, you can tell by looking at this page (and a few other recent seasons), that consensus is to now use {{Episode table}}/{{Episode list}} instead of a giant wall of text. BB16 continues to be edited, I'm not denying that, but no one has had the wish to convert that summary into an episode table. It should be done, and current consensus reflects that, but we can't force editors to make that change, someone will have to do that of their own free will. Just because it's there, doesn't mean it's "right". The same could be said for the voting history table(s). TheDoctorWho (talk) 08:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for this insight on consensus, I look forward to you addressing the other points I raised, in particular around Week 3 of this page. ReillyVega (talk) 08:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

As this page is appropriately locked, I encourage anyone with disputes to work on resolving them here. This includes the concerns I've raised, which are still awaiting a full response." ReillyVega (talk) 07:42, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Two different users have already responded to you. Bgsu98 (Talk) 10:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

And nothing has been finalised or resolved. Questions still remain unanswered. I look forward to your input to resolve these. If you need clarity on what is still open, it's all the above threads. ReillyVega (talk) 11:07, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I believe TheDoctorWho and I have both addressed your questions. I'm not going back through the above conversation to try and figure out what you're still upset about. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:03, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Restarting the conversation over here. The bottom line is that the Voting Table is just that: a voting table. It's not an Everything plus the kitchen sink table. The color coding on the table is for elements which affect how a player votes: Head of Household, Nominated for eviction, Ineligible to vote/no vote. We don't color code for things which don't affect the nomination or vote: for example, the AI Arena winner is just another voter, and there is no need to mark them immune from nomination, because there are no further nominations at that point. That Battle of the Block situation you referred to was slightly different, because, if I understand it correctly, players saved during the Battle of the Block were immune from being put back on the block after a Veto ceremony; hence, immunity notated on the table.

The color key above the table is for color codes which are generally used every season: Head of Household, Nominated for eviction, Evicted, Quitter, Expelled, Immune from eviction, and Ineligible to vote/no vote; although not all may be used every season. That way, a reader who sees pink knows that it refers to a Quitter, regardless of whatever season they're on, and so forth. One-off bullshit – situations that are unique to a particular season – are noted in the inline notation (efn) and not above the table. This is because, among other reasons, a color may be used for one purpose one season, and a different purpose another season. The colors used for that Backstage nonsense two seasons ago, for example, had been used on previous seasons for other purposes.

Please let me know if there are further questions. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:13, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

First and foremost, I want to assure you that I'm not upset, but I do appreciate your concern. You’re right; it is a voting table, and it should accurately reflect what happens in the game that season. If production is adding numerous twists and turns, the table should be updated to reflect those changes. For instance, the AI Arena winner being immune from eviction is a significant game mechanic that can influence the outcome, as we've already seen this season. It's an important detail to note on the table. Just to clarify, even in past seasons with the Battle of the Block, winners were also immune from eviction, leading to similar outcomes as we're seeing with the AI Arena.

Regarding the second paragraph in your explanation, I noticed a potential contradiction to other users. While another user mentioned that consensus can change, your point suggests that all tables should remain the same (?), even though each season introduces different dynamics. There are indeed a lot of inconsistencies that stem from individual preferences, and it's worth considering that just because one person believes something to be true doesn't necessarily mean it's correct.

Lastly, I’ve noticed that you have strong opinions about the use of color on the tables and have made several edits to remove them. Since it seems you feel this is the best approach, might I suggest a middle ground, where the top portion of the table reads as:

Head of Household

Initial Nominees

Veto Winner

AI Arena Winner

Final Nominees

When/if the AI Arena finishes we drop the remainder of the line to read as '(none)' this will solve the crystal ball gazing issue of earlier topics.

Finally, as a helpful suggestion, I would recommend avoiding the use of profanity when making your point. It can sometimes come across as unprofessional and may detract from the strength of your argument. ReillyVega (talk) 15:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 19 August 2024

• In the Infobox, please replace the following line of code:
  • num_episodes = 15 with
    • num_episodes = 16
• In the Episode table, for Episode 16, please replace the following two lines of code:
  • Aux1 = with
    • Aux1 = Days 31–32
  • ShortSummary = with
    • ShortSummary = Quinn and Brooklyn begin processing the blindside of Cedric's eviction and the effect it could cause on their personal gameplay. Brooklyn feels betrayed by Kimo and T'kor for not being informed of the flipped vote. In the "Firewall" Head of Household competition, players had to assist Ainsley in cooling down her "[[firewall (computing)|firewall]]" by holding onto a large wall while being tilted forward and blasted with water, and various attacks that took the format of liquid [[Slime (toy)|slime]]. Angela, Kimo, and Joseph were the first three to fall off the wall and were named have-nots for the week. Tucker and Quinn were the final two HouseGuests on the wall and Tucker offered Quinn a deal for safety if he purposefully falls. A Quinn rejected the offer but falls shortly thereafter, making Tucker the next Head of Household. Angela, Joseph, Kimo, Rubina, T'kor, Tucker form a new alliance called "Sixth Avenue". Tucker tells Quinn he will be nominated as a pawn, but that he has his sights set on a different target. He then meets individually with Brooklyn, Cam, and Chelsie. On Day 32, Tucker nominated Brooklyn, Cam, and Quinn for eviction.

This is an uncontroversial routine edit. The reason this page was protected was for disputes in the "Voting history" section and not the Episode section or the infobox. No sources are required per WP:PLOTCITE. I've written all of the plot summaries and incremented most of the new episode tables, none of which have ever been disputed edits. TheDoctorWho (talk) 01:58, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:55, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Notes dispute

I am aware that the page is protected due to edit disputes. I am curious why notes A & B cannot be combined? I don't see a reason why they should be separated, as A exists due to B. I actually thought the note I left was perfectly fine: Quinn activated the Deepfake HoH, a power he won in the "Upgrade" competition. This allowed him to anonymously take control as the Head of Household for the week, while Angela maintained immunity and the ability to compete in the veto competition. Neither Angela or Quinn was eligible to vote in the eviction, but both were eligible to become the Head of Household the following cycle due to the disruption of power.

Protected edit request on 19 August 2024 (2)

hi i would like to fix an error cuz in week 5 tucker saved quin and put on brookyln but it don say that on wiki Valentineeuphoria (talk) 21:06, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:20, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Brooklyn was one of the three houseguests Tucker had originally nominated. Today, he used the veto on Quinn and named Chelsie as the replacement, per Big Brother Network. 9March2019 (talk) 21:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

The best way to potentially get this taken care of would be to place a correct version of the chart below and reactivate this edit request. In doing that however, make sure that it solely changes the nominees which could be considered uncontroversial, and doesn't restore/remove anything that caused the edit warring and subsequent page protection. TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:07, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 20 August 2024

The veto ceremony already happened and no one editted it yet. Fiannez (talk) 05:14, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:00, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

To clarify, please add the following to the cell on the Voting history table – Week 5 (column)/Nominations (post-veto) (row): Brooklyn
Cam
Chelsie (with the breaks between names). Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:11, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done Sigh, protecting high-traffic articles like this almost always causes more problems than it solves. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I am genuinely sorry for the difficulties it has created for you. Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 20 August 2024

As per the results of the veto ceremony today according to per Big Brother Network, the voting history table should read as follows:

Big Brother 26 voting history

	Week 1	Week 2	Week 3		Week 4	Week 5	Week 6	Week 7	Week 8	Week 9	Week 10	Week 11	Week 12	Week 13
			Day 18	Day 21										Day 90	Finale
Head of Household	Angela	Chelsie	Cedric		Angela Quinn	Tucker									(None)
Nominations (pre-veto)	Kenney Kimo Lisa	Angela Kenney Lisa	Angela Kenney Tucker	Kenney Makensy Tucker	Cedric Makensy Tucker	Brooklyn Cam Quinn
Veto winner	Lisa	Kenney	Tucker	Makensy	Tucker	Tucker								(None)
Nominations (post-veto)	Kenney Kimo Matt	Angela Lisa Tucker	Kenney Makensy Tucker	Kenney Quinn Tucker	Cedric Makensy Rubina	Brooklyn Cam Chelsie
Angela	Head of Household	Nominated	No vote	Kenney	Head of Household
Brooklyn	Matt	Lisa	No vote	Kenney	Rubina	Nominated
Cam	Matt	Lisa	No vote	Kenney	Rubina	Nominated
Chelsie	Not eligible	Head of Household	No vote	Kenney	Rubina	Nominated
Joseph	Matt	Lisa	No vote	Kenney	Cedric
Kimo	Matt	Lisa	No vote	Kenney	Cedric
Leah	Kenney	Lisa	No vote	Kenney	Cedric
Makensy	Kenney	Lisa	Nominated	Kenney	Cedric
Quinn	Matt	Lisa	No vote	Nominated	Deepfake HoH
Rubina	Matt	Lisa	No vote	Kenney	Nominated
T'kor	Matt	Lisa	No vote	Kenney	Cedric
Tucker	Matt	Lisa	Nominated	Quinn	Cedric	Head of Household
Cedric	Not eligible	Lisa	Head of Household		Nominated	Evicted (Day 31)
Kenney	Nominated	Angela	Nominated		Evicted (Day 24)
Lisa	Kenney	Nominated	Evicted (Day 17)
Matt	Nominated	Evicted (Day 10)
Evicted	Matt 8 of 11 votes to evict	Lisa 11 of 12 votes to evict	(None)	Kenney 10 of 11 votes to evict	Cedric 6 of 9 votes to evict

Xedophobic (talk) 15:35, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC)