Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Battle of Tinian/archive1

Battle of Tinian[edit]

Featured article candidates/Battle of Tinian/archive1

Nominator(s): Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Battle of Tinian isn't as well known as Battle of Saipan, but it was an important part of the Mariana Islands campaign of World War II. It was mostly a US Marines show, but the other services were heavily involved. The battle is a good case study of the process of command decision making. The island became an important base for B-29 bombers and in August 1945 the atomic bombing missions were launched from there, which is what it is best known for today, if at all. There is plenty written about it though, and the article could have gone much deeper into the fighting. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Adam Cuerden: did an image review at A-class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aye. I'd say any image improvement to comsider is more to do with FP than FA. It's fine. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 8.8% of all FPs.} 16:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gog the Mild[edit]

Recusing to review and reserving a seat. I'll be back. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:04, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"the Combined Chiefs of Staff". Perhaps 'the US and British Combined Chiefs of Staff' to fill in the blanks for readers not familiar with the nomenclature of the higher echelons during WWII?
Sure. Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Tinian lay too close to Saipan to allow it to be bypassed and remain in Japanese hands. The 9,000-strong Japanese garrison was eliminated, and the island joined Saipan and Guam as a base for Boeing B-29 Superfortress bombers" is out of chronological order and repeats what is given in more detail later. Suggest deleting.
Deleted the second sentence. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"ramps mounted on LVTs". In full at first mention please. Or an in line explanation of what LVT means.
Added explanation. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"the Orange plans". Why an upper-case O and lower-case p?
It is a proper noun. Orange was actually the code name for Japan. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"known as the Orange plans ... along the lines envisaged in the Orange Plan". Plural or singular?
Plural. Plans were continually updated. There were many variants, such as Orange-Black (Japan + Germany) and Orange-Red (Japan + the UK). Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"By 10 August, Japanese casualties included 404 taken prisoner and 5,745 dead that were buried by the Americans." This leaves some 2,850 unaccounted for. Do any of the sources suggest how they might be accounted?
Holed up in caves. Some dead, some alive. Some may have escaped to Ajuigan. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It may be worth adding that. If only to clarify that while the battle was over all resistance was not, hence the "Mopping up" section.
When the Japanese forces were reduced to the point where they were no longer considered a threat to the West Coast of the United States, the American commander would declare the island "secure", and "mopping up" operations would begin. In some cases, more Japanese were killed during mopping up than in the battle. Stan Savige (on Bougainville) and Bob Eichelberger (on Leyte) reported that they had killed more Japanese than G-2 reported were present in the first place, but there were still plenty more. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The paragraph starting "Tinian was considered a target from the outset ..." It would be helpful to state here somewhere the distance between the two islands.
Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
" On 12 March, the Joint Chiefs of Staff directed Nimitz to neutralize Truk and occupy the Mariana Islands, with a target date of 15 June ... With the conclusion of the Battle of Saipan on 9 July, preparations began for the attack on Tinian." Perhaps a sentence or two on the battle of Saipan?
In the lead the battle ends on 2 August ("Resistance continued through 2 August"), in the infobox on 1 August.
Rewritten. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are several cases where false precision has been introduced - eg 100 feet given as 30.5 m or 1/2 mile as 0.80 km - which could do with reviewing.
Resolved a few. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"... the dry season from November to March, but the wet season from November to March ..." ?
Oops. Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More to follow. (To the start of opposing forces.) Gog the Mild (talk) 21:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matarisvan[edit]

I was part of the A Class review at WPMH and found the article to be a great read on an expansive topic. I have some minor suggestions which you could look into, Hawkeye7:

Since the 3 units of the US Army were all part of the V Amphibious, perhaps you could wrap these up into a {tree list}?
Sure. Added a {{tree list}} template. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When I looked at the infobox image, I thought it was the only one which didn't have alt text. To my surprise, none of the images have alt texts. Why so? As an aside, many of the images are good ones which could go FP as Adam said, you should look into co-nominating some of them.
Most of the captions are descriptive of the image, so the alt text would say "refer to caption". Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, how much deeper could we have gone into the fighting? Would it have been day by day details or something more substantial? I ask because that would impact the comprehensiveness.
Yes, into the day-to-day fighting in greater depth. There is already a subarticle on base development. The article currently has 8,350 words, and going into the fighting in much greater detail would add a great deal more. I feared that there would be complaints that the article was WP:TOOBIG. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you have the time, I would appreciate if you could look into my recent FA nom, linked here.