Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of music released by Romanian artists that has charted in major music markets/archive1
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 6 August 2024 (UTC) [1].[reply]
List of music released by Romanian artists that has charted in major music markets (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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- Nominator(s): Cartoon network freak (talk) 15:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured list because it offers a well-written and well-sourced overview over the most successful Romanian music released. It is the first list of its kind here on Wikipedia, but I believe it meets the required criteria. I am happy for any comment. Greets, Cartoon network freak (talk) 15:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Drive-by comment - alt text is needed for the images in the article. Staraction (talk | contribs) 02:17, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
[edit]Unusual and very interesting topic for an article. Here are my comments:
- "Over the years, several songs and albums released by" - first three words are a bit vague. Maybe "Since the 1970s".....?
- "The first documented instance are the works of nai player Gheorghe Zamfir." - I doubt that there any instances which are not documented, so I would change this to "The first Romanian artist to chart in such markets was the nai player Gheorghe Zamfir."
- "soprano opera singer Angela Gheorghiu started charting multiple albums" => "soprano opera singer Angela Gheorghiu charted multiple albums"
- "and in a few other European countries" => "and in European countries"
- "both of which stand as two of the " => "which stand as two of the "
- ""Musica" (2011) by group Fly Project " => ""Musica" (2011) by the group Fly Project "
- "as well as "I Need Your Love" " => "and "I Need Your Love" "
- Notes: "This article lists all music releases, where there is at least one Romanian artist or act credited among the lead or featured artist(s)." => "This article lists all charting releases, where there is at least one Romanian artist or act credited among the lead or featured artist(s)."
- "has annualy published" => "has annually published"
- That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChrisTheDude: Many thanks for your comments! I solved them. Let me know if you support the nomination. Greets, Cartoon network freak (talk) 09:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:44, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aoba47
[edit]- This is fairly nitpick-y, but I do not think "several" in this part, (several songs and albums released by), is needed. It comes across more as a filler word in this context and in my opinion, it does not add that much for the reader.
- Removed
- I would remove the links for studio albums and singles as I believe that they are examples of overlinking. The rest of the links look good to me so these are the only two that I would unlink as most readers would be familiar with both of these concepts.
- Removed
- I am uncertain about the wording for this part, (the only documented Romanian song to chart in Brazil). The "documented" part makes it seem like there are gaps in information about Brazil's music charts and that there may be other Romanian songs that could have appeared on the Brazilian, but they are just not "documented". Is that the intended meaning? Would anything be lost or changed by removing "documented" from this part?
- "Documented" is needed here since Brazil is not a country that has an easily searchable chart archive. "Stereo Love" is the only song we can prove charted there, but my personal opinion is that at least the other big international hit "Mr. Saxobeat" charted there too (it's just we don't have the archives).
I am glad to see you back on Wikipedia! Great work with this list. This is an interesting topic, and I do not think that I have seen a similar type of list in the FLC space (although I have not been particularly active in the FLC process or with FLs or lists in general for some time now). I only have three comments, and they are rather nitpick-y. Once everything has been addressed, I will be more than happy to support this list for promotion. Hopefully, this review will encourage others to take a look at this FLC. Have a great rest of your day and/or night (whichever it is when you are reading this lol). Aoba47 (talk) 15:05, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Aoba47: Thank you very much for your comments :) I'm here more rarely now and only for special projects. Thank you so much for your words as well :) Done everything, except for one comment I left. Greets; Cartoon network freak (talk) 17:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I am glad that I was able to help out with this FLC. Your reply about the Brazil chart makes sense to me. Best of luck with your future work on here. I hope everything is going well for you overall. I support this FLC for promotion based on the prose. I hope you have a great weekend. Aoba47 (talk) 17:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Aoba47: Thank you very much for your comments :) I'm here more rarely now and only for special projects. Thank you so much for your words as well :) Done everything, except for one comment I left. Greets; Cartoon network freak (talk) 17:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some comments & thoughts
[edit]- There's a dynamic list template at the top of the article. Per #6 Stability at WP:FLCR, not sure if this is allowed but worth pointing out
- I have seen other dynamic lists being promoted to FLC status, including my own List of certified albums in Romania. In my opinion, the status of being a dynamic list doesn't affect the stability. Even if this list is probably not complete (since I occasionally add entries I find out about), I would say the "content does not change significantly from day to day" since it already covers the majority of works that have charted.
- "were certified multiple times platinum by Music Canada" -> should this be: "were certified platinum multiple times by Music Canada"?
- This is how you refer to music recording certifications. For example, you would also say "It was certified two times/double platinum" rather than "It was certified platinum twice".
- "in selected regions" -> maybe use different word (maybe "in a number of regions"?)
- I ended up using "some"; "in a number of regions" implies it was successful in several regions, which is not the case.
- For reference #47: "Dance Club Songs". Billboard. 3 October 2015. Archived from the original on 21 April 2022. Retrieved 4 July 2024.(subscription required), there's a parameter in the
{{cite web}}
template for source access level so a separate subscription template shouldn't have to be used
- Done
- Apply the above for any other refs if there are any other and in general go through the refs to make sure everything's consistently formatted, no unused params, etc. (I'm not too familiar with the way these refs are done so the final say with that's probably best left for the source reviewer
- Unused parameters give off a warning when you try to edit the article; in this case, no warning appears, so this indicates there are no parameter problems. There was one more ref with a subscription template, which I have fixed.
- Completely optional but I think it'd be good to add in the Inter-language links (
{{ILL}}s
) for the album and song titles where there isn't an English wikipage for the album/song already
- Done
- "She would go on to have two more top ten hits in Italy around the same time as group Akcent experienced moderate success in some European countries with their single "Kylie" (2005)." -> "She went on to have two more top ten hits in Italy at around the same time as the group Akcent" (personally, I also think the tone here might be slightly too informal but I'll leave it to others to decide on that)
- Done
- "would establish itself as part of the international mainstream over the course of the next few years" -> "established itself as part of the..."
- Done
- Go through lead and make sure that it uses the past tense when talking about the past (e.g. take out "would go on to")
- Done. No other instance found.
- "which stand as two of the most" -> maybe just say "which are two of the most"
- Done
- "Furthermore, Inna would go on to score two top ten hits" -> "Inna also scored two top ten hits" ("furthermore" isn't really necessary and doesn't fit with the tone imo)
- Done
- "The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) has annually [...] throughout the years." and "West Germany until 1990" should have in-line refs like the rest of the notes
- I don't think references are needed here. In the first note, I link to the List of largest recorded music markets, in which all the IFPI reports that have been published yet are sourced. In the second note, I link to West Germany, which sources the fact that Germany was "West Germany" until 1990.
- Consider adding a See also section with links to List of Romanian artists and/or other similar articles/lists
- Done
Well that's everything I have. Interesting list and many thanks for nominating it! :) Ping me on reply if I'm needed. Cheers, Dan the Animator 00:27, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dantheanimator: Hi there Dan. First of all, many thanks for spending time reviewing my nominee. I have answered all your comments. Let me know what you think. Greets, Cartoon network freak (talk) 23:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks Cartoon network freak!!! :) Everything looks good except for the references on the IFPI & West Germany notes, which only needs a ref that verifies "annually published the ten largest recorded music markets...[since] 1996" and a ref that verifies West Germany became Germany in 1990.
- In general, while it's true that many readers would just click on the links if they wanted to verify the info, I think in the spirit of WP:V, it's always better to make it as easy as possible for a reader to verify non-obvious info (especially specific details like years which most people don't know/remember), which is easiest when that source is linked in a footnote next to the claim and which is why a lot of FA and FL articles will duplicate refs throughout the article to backup different info and data (so a reader doesn't have to sift through to figure out which ref is backing up which source).
- Also, its best imo to assume the average reader doesn't know any specific details like years or data. Really recommend taking a look at WP:ORIENT which although a wiki essay, does a much better job than me explaining why adding footnotes for these things is a good idea. Once the refs are added, I'll add my support for promoting this to FL. Cheers, Dan the Animator 01:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dantheanimator: Thank you again for your further comments. I have in the first case linked to the 1996 and 2024 IFPI reports, while in the second case, I have linked to the 1990 treaty that united West and East Germany to what is now Germany. Greets; Cartoon network freak (talk) 00:17, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks Cartoon network freak! The refs work great and it looks like that covers the last of it! Support promotion to FL status. Awesome work! :) Dan the Animator 00:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dantheanimator: Thank you again for your further comments. I have in the first case linked to the 1996 and 2024 IFPI reports, while in the second case, I have linked to the 1990 treaty that united West and East Germany to what is now Germany. Greets; Cartoon network freak (talk) 00:17, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dantheanimator: Hi there Dan. First of all, many thanks for spending time reviewing my nominee. I have answered all your comments. Let me know what you think. Greets, Cartoon network freak (talk) 23:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 19:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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