Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ocean View Abu Dhabi

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete (G5, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Orlaw66). MER-C 18:36, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ocean View Abu Dhabi

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Non-notable company. Fail of WP:CORP and WP:SIGCOV. nearlyevil 665 14:34, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. nearlyevil 665 14:34, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Arab Emirates-related deletion discussions. nearlyevil 665 14:34, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Query - Can I ask why is this company nominated for deletion when it was founded in part by the Eldest Son of the President of the UAE and well documented? O66 (talk) 14:47, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Because that alone does not make it a notable company. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲^(talk) 01:19, 1 August 2021 (UTC) (If you reply to to me directly, please use a ping {{U|FormalDude}} to notify me.)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 21:22, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete WP:A7 No indication of importance: company or organization. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲^(talk) 01:19, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. References are adequate for this defunct company. I can't find out why the company ceased operation. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 03:34, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you O66 (talk) 21:03, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The first three references appear to establish notability per WP:GNG. NemesisAT (talk) 13:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you O66 (talk) 21:03, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Orlaw66, I know you mean well, but thanking individual editors for their Keep-!votes is neither necessary nor what this venue is for. AngryHarpy‍^talk 12:09, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Has independent references in national newspapers, etc., and award information. —Jonathan Bowen (talk) 22:51, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Under WP:BEFORE it is stated:

C. Consider whether the article could be improved rather than deleted

2. If the article was recently created, please consider allowing the contributors more time to develop the article.

The article was created on 24 July 2021‎ and proposed for deletion on the same day, so I do not believe this procedure was followed. Adding {{notability}} would have been more appropriate at this stage. Thus, I think the correct WP:AFD procedure under WP:BEFORE should be followed before a deletion process is considered again. —Jonathan Bowen (talk) 14:06, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment (with source assessment table): Somewhat surprised to see so many keep votes with so many red flags in the reference pool, so I've created this source assessment table to clarify why I had nominated this in the first place. This table includes suspicious repetitions of text in between two articles that are purported to be 'reliable'. Hopefully this table will be of use for the final consensus. nearlyevil 665 16:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
https://www.aihitdata.com/company/00833BC5/s-b-k-holding/history	This is just a company database	This is just a company database	This is not coverage but rather a history of ownership and leadership changes in the company	✘ No
http://www.tradearabia.com/news/CONS_142401.html	? This is largely an interview piece and rest is run off the mill coverage about the company securing a deal	Highly likely this is a veiled press release as the last paragraph is identical to the one used in the fourth source, namely this bit: "Ocean View, Dubai, has been successfully marketing Dubai properties to high network individuals across the globe..."	Only the two first short paragraphs are about the company, and they only tell the ownership and leadership of the company	✘ No
https://www.khaleejtimes.com/business/new-firm-set-to-tap-abu-dhabi-s-real-estate-potential	? UAE's state-run propaganda outlet	? UAE's state-run propaganda outlet	Run off the mill coverage (two paragraphs) about the firm being founded. Half of it is direct citation from the company's rep	✘ No
https://www.albawaba.com/business/ocean-view-partners-sbk-holding-market-abu-dhabi-freehold-properties	Largely an interview piece	Highly likely this is a veiled press release as the last paragraph is identical to the one used in the second source, namely this bit: "Ocean View, Dubai, has been successfully marketing Dubai properties to high network individuals across the globe..."	No	✘ No
https://www.arabianbusiness.com/grand-design-85851.html	This is entirely an interview piece	Probably reliable	This is the founder talking about the company, so significant	✘ No
https://www.khaleejtimes.com/business/local/ocean-view-named-best-real-estate-agency	? UAE's state-run propaganda outlet	? UAE's state-run propaganda outlet	This is run off the mill coverage of the company receiving at a International Property Awards, a non-notable award in its own right. Half of the piece is the founder talking about the nominations.	✘ No
https://dubaicityguide.com/site/news/news-details/Company-News/31574/ocean-view-named-best-real-estate-agency-at-arabian-property-awards-for-second-year-running	Not independent	City guide website that says it 'accepts guests posts'	Similar to the sixth source, this is run off the mill coverage about the company receiving nominations at a non-notable award. Text is largely identical to the one in the sixth source, so this is either a lazy rewrite or just a paid post	✘ No
http://www.sandcastles.ae/dubai/ocean-view-real-estate/1377/	User-generated	User-generated	Similar to the sixth and seventh source, this is run off the mill coverage about the company receiving nominations at a non-notable award. Text is largely identical to the one in the sixth source, so this is either a lazy rewrite or just a paid post	✘ No
http://www.diad.co.za/stage/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2010-INTERNATIONAL-PROPERTY-LUXURY-COLLECTION-VOL.18-NO.2.pdf	? Unclear	This is a waiting lounge magazine, which is neither notable nor has clear editorial oversight	The company is just mentioned here for having been nominated for a non-notable property award	✘ No
https://www.aihitdata.com/company/00833BC5/s-b-k-holding/overview	This is just a company database	This is just a company database	This is not coverage but rather a history of ownership and leadership changes in the company	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Source assessment table:
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
(This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor.)
https://www.aihitdata.com/company/00833BC5/s-b-k-holding/history	This is just a company database	This is just a company database	This is not coverage but rather a history of ownership and leadership changes in the company	✘ No
http://www.tradearabia.com/news/CONS_142401.html	? This is largely an interview piece and rest is run off the mill coverage about the company securing a deal	Highly likely this is a veiled press release as the last paragraph is identical to the one used in the fourth source, namely this bit: "Ocean View, Dubai, has been successfully marketing Dubai properties to high network individuals across the globe..."	Only the two first short paragraphs are about the company, and they only tell the ownership and leadership of the company	✘ No
https://www.khaleejtimes.com/business/new-firm-set-to-tap-abu-dhabi-s-real-estate-potential	? UAE's state-run propaganda outlet	? UAE's state-run propaganda outlet	Run off the mill coverage (two paragraphs) about the firm being founded. Half of it is direct citation from the company's rep	✘ No
https://www.albawaba.com/business/ocean-view-partners-sbk-holding-market-abu-dhabi-freehold-properties	Largely an interview piece	Highly likely this is a veiled press release as the last paragraph is identical to the one used in the second source, namely this bit: "Ocean View, Dubai, has been successfully marketing Dubai properties to high network individuals across the globe..."	No	✘ No
https://www.arabianbusiness.com/grand-design-85851.html	This is entirely an interview piece	Probably reliable	This is the founder talking about the company, so significant	✘ No
https://www.khaleejtimes.com/business/local/ocean-view-named-best-real-estate-agency	? UAE's state-run propaganda outlet	? UAE's state-run propaganda outlet	This is run off the mill coverage of the company receiving at a International Property Awards, a non-notable award in its own right. Half of the piece is the founder talking about the nominations.	✘ No
https://dubaicityguide.com/site/news/news-details/Company-News/31574/ocean-view-named-best-real-estate-agency-at-arabian-property-awards-for-second-year-running	Not independent	City guide website that says it 'accepts guests posts'	Similar to the sixth source, this is run off the mill coverage about the company receiving nominations at a non-notable award. Text is largely identical to the one in the sixth source, so this is either a lazy rewrite or just a paid post	✘ No
http://www.sandcastles.ae/dubai/ocean-view-real-estate/1377/	User-generated	User-generated	Similar to the sixth and seventh source, this is run off the mill coverage about the company receiving nominations at a non-notable award. Text is largely identical to the one in the sixth source, so this is either a lazy rewrite or just a paid post	✘ No
http://www.diad.co.za/stage/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2010-INTERNATIONAL-PROPERTY-LUXURY-COLLECTION-VOL.18-NO.2.pdf	? Unclear	This is a waiting lounge magazine, which is neither notable nor has clear editorial oversight	The company is just mentioned here for having been nominated for a non-notable property award	✘ No
https://www.aihitdata.com/company/00833BC5/s-b-k-holding/overview	This is just a company database	This is just a company database	This is not coverage but rather a history of ownership and leadership changes in the company	✘ No
Table created using {{source assess table}}

Well done on the source table. I agree with the assessments. ––𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 01:19, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I clicked on all the sources and did my own source assessment table in my head. I agree with nearlyevil665 that there are no WP:GNG passing sources in this article. They are self-published websites (not reliable), or obviously based off press releases from their tone and overuse of quotes (not independent), or they are database entries (not secondary). –Novem Linguae (talk) 06:16, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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