Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samuel Chatto (3rd nomination)

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The result was redirect to Lady Sarah Chatto#Marriage and issue. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:02, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Samuel Chatto

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Non-notable minor member of the nobility. Previously discussed at AfD and merged and redirected as a result of that discussion. Argument for recreation was "he is clearly notable and 24th in line of succession to the British Throne" but when this article was merged and redirected he was higher in line. He's been pushed down to 24th by the births of the Queen's great-grandchildren. If anything, he's less notable now than he was 10 years ago. DrKay (talk) 18:44, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 18:48, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 18:50, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/redirect Notability is supposed to be permanent not temporary and so his being pushed down the line of succession doesn't really impact his notability claim. Now that he's an adult, unlike when it was discussed 10 years ago, there does seem to some additional coverage of him. He's not quite at a GNG keep (I don't see RS covering him outside of People) but seems possible he could get there. It is possible to be notable simply for being famous and if RS cover him so should we. Since that's not (yet) the case I would suggest maintaining the merge/redirect of AfD2. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:08, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete/redirect Notability is not automatic regardless who your relatives or distant relatives are. There are not substantive sources that discuss him outside of having famous family. Reywas92^Talk 22:29, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/redirect I don't see why should Samuel Chatto have his own article, as Princess Margaret's grandson through Lady Sarah Chatto. Neither he has a title nor it is expected he will ever have one. In my opinion, from George V's descendants, only Edward Windsor, Lord Downpatrick has the potential to get his own article back. That article should be restored before even thinking about creating one for Samuel Chatto. And after Lord Downpatrick, maybe Xan Windsor, Lord Culloden and Lady Cosima Windsor, when they reach adulthood or if Alexander Windsor, Earl of Ulster succeeds as Duke of Gloucester before that. Anotherwikipedianuser (talk) 22:31, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep/Weak Keep while most of his notability comes as a relation to the British royal family, he is talked about a lot in the press, at least in the sense of being a socialite. While I don't believe he is extremely notable, I believe he passes WP:Bio. Here's some links to him in the press, if that helps (although I will say most of these talk about both him and his brother, not just him): [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]. Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 02:40, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment unrelated to the nomination, but I am suspicious/concerned that the author of this article is a sock of a blocked user (Emily Khine). I just thought I should mention that here prior to starting an investigation. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 02:41, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete/redirect. Creation by a banned or blocked user. Chatto has no substantial achievements or notoriety (and yes, I do mean notoriety). Celia Homeford (talk) 08:37, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete/redirect as not (WP:GNG) not quite at a keep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gristleking (talk • contribs) 02:30, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not every distant relative of the Queen is notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:07, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Being 24th in line to the world's best-known throne is notable. Not notable as a relative of the Queen, but as a great-grandson of George VI and a grandson of Princess Margaret. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:18, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.