Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Somphone Sichaleune

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The result was delete. This is a bit tougher because the vote is evenly split, but the keep votes are based on the faulty premise that being an ambassador is automatically notable, or should be notable. The fact is, policy says otherwise, so this part of these votes carry no weight. As for sources that should exist, a sufficient period of time has passed to find them, thus satisfying WP:V that the facts can be verified. They have not been found, so for the purpose of this AFD, we must assume they don't exist. In the end, we have policy based reasoning to delete and no policy based reasoning to keep. Dennis - 2¢ 21:00, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Somphone Sichaleune

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fails WP:BIO . ambassadors are not inherently notable (Even being an ambassador to Russia).the only coverage I found is routine coverage confirming he is an ambassador. I also note the article hasn't been updated to reflect that he is now ambassador to Vietnam. but again no evidence of notable work in his role. LibStar (talk) 07:43, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Asia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:47, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bilateral relations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:47, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Like others, I believe that all ambassadors are inherently notable. But ambassadors to major countries such as Russia are even more notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:33, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I presume you have searched for in depth coverage of this individual like I did. What was the outcome of this search? LibStar (talk) 23:21, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. An important Laotian diplomat, he formerly represented his country to world-power, Russia, and currently is ambassador to their neighbor and former enemy, Vietnam[1]. It appears he was also ambassador to Poland in the past. I presume that more sources are available in Laos, Vietnamese and Russian, but lack skills in those languages to find them. Pburka (talk) 00:44, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

and initial search of his name in Russian reveals mainly directory listings and WP mirrors. LibStar (talk) 04:10, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:28, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:00, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Per guideline WP:POLITICIAN, "ambassadorships are not considered international offices." The criterion for inclusion then falls back to having significant coverage. So far, no one has managed to find it. I have failed as well. It's certainly possibly it exists in another language, but we need actual evidence. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 04:47, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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