Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tanmaya Bhatnagar

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Comedy Couple. A singer's popularity does not contribute directly to their meeting our notability standards, and so comments pointing to popularity carry little weight. As such there's consensus here that this creation occurred too soon; if more coverage becomes available, the history will remain available to anyone wishing to recreate this. Vanamonde (Talk) 01:02, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tanmaya Bhatnagar[edit]

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Non notable singer who does not satisfy any criterion from WP:SINGER and WP:GNG. A Google search of her mostly shows mentions and no in-depth significant coverage in multiple reliable sources was found to qualify for WP:GNG. Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 04:18, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy keep: It's disheartening to see this nomination. She is one of the popular Indie folk singers under Independent record label. Her works are published in reliable sources (for example:Rolling stone). She already made her Bollywood playback singing debut with romantic drama Comedy Couple as a composer. Listeners (including musician like A. R. Rahman) say that such Indie folk creators are more relatable and trendsetting than other popular artists. She definitely meets WP:SINGER and WP:GNG. (Note to admins & reviewers: I was the creator of this article) Nalbarian (talk) 06:25, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Nalbarian: Being a singer is not an assertion of notability. They need to satisfy a notability criteria which subject of this article fails to satisfy any relevant criteria. The Rolling stone article contains significant discussion of the subject, but multiple such sources are needed to establish notability.--Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 09:27, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, meets WP:SINGER. She clearly "[h]as been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself." For instance, [1], [2], [3]. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 09:00, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Tayi Arajakate: Please look carefully, ref 1 has been published through rollingstoneindia and is a duplicate article to [4]. In order to qualify for WP:GNG, significant coverage in multiple reliable sources is needed. Ref 2 & 3 are announcements of her music release and do not amount to establishing notability.Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 04:44, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, the Magzter article is a re-publishing of the one on the Rolling Stone website. I'd still go with keep though, she has enough coverage to meet WP:SINGER as there is no indication that the coverage is non-independent. Tayi Arajakate _Talk 05:03, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here is my assessment of each source cited. Reference 1 is an announcement of music release and is based on comments from the subject herself. The second one is a tweet. The third one does not even mention her. The forth reference is a press release article mentioning her in passing. The fifth one is a link to a video song from Comedy Couple that the subject has composed. The sixth one is an announcement of her second song. While sixth reference is based on an interview. These sources do not add up to WP:SIGCOV. Being covered through independent sources is not the only criteria for inclusion. These sources should address the topic directly and in detail.Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 07:47, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I just have one more thing to add to the argument: As per [rules], she " has had a single or album on any country's national music chart.." For example, Spotify: Charts pertaining to only one specific retailer should not be used. Links- Spotify Chai & Acoustic [5] and Sad Indie Bops [6]. Nalbarian (talk) 08:20, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

She also meets composers and lyricists criteria as she wrote every song (including for the film Comedy Couple). Nalbarian (talk) 09:34, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 00:45, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Sources are reliable and enough. From my point of view, she is a budding star. Dwain09877 (talk) 06:41, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to her only major work Comedy Couple as per point 10. This is a probable case of WP:TOOSOON and she might be there one day, but not now. Her only major work is in this film, the other two YouTube singles don't have any major coverage to be notable. And no, a mention from someone on Twitter is not a notability criterion yet. - The9Man ^(Talk) 09:18, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi The9Man, those songs are not some mere YouTube songs and all songs of her are well-received in multiple music related reliable sites. We’re living in an age of singles, and there are tons of ways to put one song to work. Modern singers distribute their song as a single to various platforms like YouTube, Spotify, Apple Music. For instance- Just saw that one of her song is for sale on Amazon [[7]] and other songs are available on all major platforms. Redirect does not do justice to such Indie Folk unique singers. They sing and write songs for a movie and move on. Nalbarian (talk) 10:20, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter where a singer distributes a song. If it doesn't meet the requirements of notability, it is not notable. A search on these two songs gives only the listing results on various platforms. There is no secondary significant coverage. They sing and write songs for a movie and move on is not a valid argument to have an individual article either. - The9Man ^(Talk) 06:38, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A review needs detailed observations (lyrics, unique styles, catchy melodies, instruments etc.). See these links - [8] [9] Nalbarian (talk) 08:11, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hence, those are not reviews. - The9Man ^(Talk) 08:53, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 03:30, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or Redirect (I leave it up to closer to decide, I suppose). I wasn't convinced by any of the sourcing I found aside from the Rolling Stone pieces (and wow, the quality of RS India is nothing like the American RS) and that is just one source publishing a lot about her because clearly one of the writers is a fan. I dug deep, and again, not enough for me to find that she passes GNG or MUSICIAN. Appears to be WP:TOOSOON. Missvain (talk) 23:43, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I can't find anything to show that this person meets either WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:55, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, fails WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. Kolma8 (talk) 09:48, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per discussion. May be WP:TOOSOON.☆★Mamushir (✉✉) 14:29, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Hope we're not violating this. Please redirect. Don't delete. After few years, someone responsible editor from us will start from that point. Nalbarian (talk) 18:31, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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