Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tris McCall

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. This is a Secret ^account 00:42, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tris McCall

Has been prodded and de-proddeed, then re-prodded a few times, all by others and not me, so best take arguments over here. Montchav 15:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The man was directly covered in a New York Times piece, but since he is an author a lot of the google hits turn up his(or closely related) websites and work. Article also appears to have some tone issues, and was written by two single purpose authors. So delete since we can't build an article out of a single piece of news coverage, and the tone issues would require heavy cleanup regardless. - Optigan13 07:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 15:36, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I don't really follow the above line of thought by Optigan13 which amounts to not much more than "this article requires further refinement." The article's subject appears to satisfy notability requirements and also seems to have received reliable coverage in media and exposure as a musician both independently and through established commercial channels such as iTunes. Regardless of its origins as an article, I don't see reason to delete it outright and would rather see it retained and improved. D. Brodale 09:20, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete only one independent source, WP:N requires 2. iTunes is at best a catalogue, a primary source, doesn't particularly give independent reliable reviews of anything just fancruft. It would be as valuable a source for building music articles as MySpace is: useful, but not in isolation.Garrie 01:56, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I've added a second (well, third if you count the link that has expired) independent reference for Tris McCall, and would ask that you reconsider your stance on WP:N. This took all of 5 minutes of work on Google. My mention of iTunes was not to suggest it as a proxy as a reference, but rather a measure that this fellow isn't just some random person off the street. D. Brodale 02:56, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The article lacks importance; notability not there! --Stormbay 16:35, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - can you elaborate on your statement? I was under the impression that WP:AfDs were to be discussions. D. Brodale 17:42, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  I didn't find anything either in the sources provided or in my search that raised the subject to a notable level. This is not a negative about the subject but rather a measurement, in my opinion, of the encyclopedic importance of the subject. --Stormbay 04:20, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - OK, but perhaps there's some misunderstanding on my end of what would constitute notoriety for a musical artist with respect to Wikipedia. I have little to no invested interest in Tris McCall in particular, but if a focus piece in the NYT, naming as a top cultural figure in Jersey City by an area paper, and clear artistic contributions as an individual artist and band member don't meet the bar, what does? D. Brodale 04:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.