Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Two Tons of Steel

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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 18:14, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Two Tons of Steel[edit]

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A search of sources did not find anything to pass WP:GNG. To wit:

An interview with the band, which is WP:PRIMARY
Promotional news piece for an upcoming concert
Local news coverage of a time they had equipment stolen
Promotional coverage of an upcoming concert
Promotional coverage of an upcoming concert

Almost all of the results on newspapers.com for "Two tons of Steel" + "Kevin Geil" are from local newspapers in Texas. The only one that isn't is a general PR piece promoting a large number of Texas-based acts which was reprinted in several newspapers across the country.

The only substantial coverage I could find was a singular AllMusic review of one of their albums. The AllMusic entry is otherwise barren.

The other claims to notability are not sufficient to meet WP:BAND. The Gruene Hall performances have gained no notability outside the hall; the performances at the Grand Ole Opry got no attention (in fact, the band's name turns up no results in The Tennesseean), and being voted a fan favorite by a single newspaper doesn't cut it either. Neither does the apperance in the documentary, which is so obscure that it doesn't even have a name. tl;dr: no criteria of WP:BAND seem to have been met. Which is a shame, since their song "Vegas" is a lot of fun. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 04:54, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 04:54, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per accurate reasoning by nom. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 05:31, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There's a lot of coverage that doesn't turn up online - it's from the late 90s/early 2000s. I found extensive coverage in major dailies and alternative weeklies via Newsbank, from the Houston Chronicle to the Dallas Morning News to the San Antonio Express News and Austin American Statesman. (A sample: Houston Press Keep On Truckin' - Two Tons of Steel has gone from cover band to kings of the Texas dance hall, Houston Press (TX) - August 1, 2002, Author/Byline: Melanie Haupt - Houston Chronicle(major daily): Two Tons flexes its versatility Houston Chronicle (TX) (Published as Houston Chronicle) - April 19, 2000, Author/Byline: MARTY RACINE, Staff San Antonio Express News (major daily): Dead Crickets steel away - Rootsy band forges new identity - and a career? San Antonio Express-News (TX)January 3, 1997B Author/Byline: Jim Beal Jr.) Commenting just for the record; I realize that these sources fall into the regional category but music coverage in the dailies/weeklies in Texas is competitive/signficant. We may not have the sources to keep the article, but it's not like the band is trivial. JSFarman (talk) 21:51, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep in view of the multiple reliable sources coverage identified above that suggest the band are one of the most well known of San Antonio which the AllMusic review asserts which would indicate a pass of WP:NMUSIC criteria 7 (only one criteria needed). Exercising WP:AGF as I don't have access to the paywalled sources, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 02:15, 6 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:47, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Ase1este_{charge-parity}^time 20:31, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep Getting voted as the best band in a city over ten times seems to meet WP:NMUSIC 7, and there are some other reviews, albeit most of them in local papers and sites, of their albums. There's also a few articles with Q&As and such which help round out potential notability. 1 2 3 4 5 ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:02, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Let us also not miss the fact that this is clearly a revenge AfD raised by TenPoundHammer due to their anger at lacking the additional 3990 pounds of steel possessed by this band. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:02, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ScottishFinnishRadish: Okay, that comment was a good one. I lol'd. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 23:55, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Plenty of significant and not merely trivial or promotional coverage, as witnessed in previous comments. Also, sources call the band locally prominent (e.g. Allmusic: "one of San Antonio's biggest bands for almost two decades"; Lone Star Music Magazine: "one of the most popular party bands in the Lone Star State"), although I confess it's rather unclear to me how prominent is "prominent" enough for WP:BAND. In any case, though, the sources support general notability. Adumbrativus (talk) 08:25, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.