Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/War of ideas

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. The topic is sufficiently unique and supported with RS to warrant a separate article. Although there is probably some redundancy with related subjects, that is not a rationale for deletion. Nor is POV a rationale for deletion. If the article contains unsupported or unbalanced POV then editors should improve those elements of the article. Mike Cline (talk) 13:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

War of ideas

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

This article does not add significantly to the subject area (see Propaganda, Political Warfare, Information Operations), and contains blatant POV (references to Islamic extremists as "terrorists" etc) , a lack of material concerning "the war of ideas" outside the USA, and is generally written like an essay. "War of ideas" is also not an encyclopaedic term for the article's subject. Claritas (talk) 18:10, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This page is an important topic within the realm of unconventional warfare. Although not necessarily an encyclopedic term, war of ideas should be added to the lexicon of modern warfare.--Darkerinmyeyes (talk) 20:24, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Is that meant to be a keep !vote?--Epeefleche (talk) 01:48, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article should cover wars of ideas in general rather than some recent references. There are sources which cover this topic in a general way such as Wars of ideas and the war of ideas so the topic is notable. The rest is a matter of ordinary editing in accordance with our editing policy. Colonel Warden (talk) 12:17, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We've already got an article which covers "wars of ideas" in general - it's called Political warfare. Claritas (talk) 12:24, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, politics is about power. Wars of ideas are more intellectual - religion vs science; inclusionism vs deletionism; particles vs waves; &c. In any case, the existence of an article on a similar/related topic is further evidence of notability which argues for merger/restructure rather than deletion. Colonel Warden (talk) 12:35, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you read the article, you'll find that its subject matter is exactly the same as that of Political warfare. Claritas (talk) 18:02, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I read them already and, no, they are not exactly the same. Colonel Warden (talk) 19:46, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete- Highly biased essay about things that are already covered properly in other articles. Reyk _YO! 13:16, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philosophy-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:52, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:53, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Terrorism-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:53, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This looks like an article deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/War of Ideas. But I'm not sure whether WP:CSD#G4 is applicable. • Gene93k (talk) 19:57, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. A contributor commented that the essay deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/War of Ideas was a "good essay", so I doubt it was the same piece. This article also makes no mention of Ayn Rand (which appears to have been the focus of the essay at War of Ideas. Claritas (talk) 13:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and improve. Stubify if necessary. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 02:02, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Google news search shows 7,060 and Google book search shows 1,239. This is clearly a real thing, and it gets plenty of mention in the press. The article has been significantly rewritten, and if there is a problem, it can be worked on. Dream Focus 14:09, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP The war of ideas is a separate topic from political warfare, as Colonel Warden mentioned. Perhaps the War of ideas is a cousin to political warfare, but they are inherently different. As for content, perhaps it could use a historical section which traces the thought and use from antiquity to the well-written modern examples already on the page and/or it could use a section on modern philosophy (or philosophers) about the war of ideas. Fly High 55 —Preceding undated comment added 19:19, 5 May 2010 (UTC).[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.