Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Argentina v England (2005)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. —Cleared as filed. 07:23, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Argentina v England (2005)

Article about friendly match between Argentina national football team and England national football team seams to me not important enough to have its own article. The match was just a friendly match with no special incidents. Mariano(t/c) 09:22, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, sporting event with an audience of millions of people. Kappa 11:32, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Welcome to world globalisation. Every single episode of any medium soap opera is seen by millions. Mariano(t/c) 12:31, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merging to the rivalry article below would also be acceptable, as would comprehensive coverage of all medium soap operas around the world. Kappa 00:18, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Merge...I'm not sure where. Professional sports events happen every day, usually several a day in different places in the world. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 11:45, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep England v Argentina is not an average friendly (and it was a great match). Can't sensibly be merged. CalJW 12:10, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I admit ignorance of the game itself (other than what the article says); how do you mean that it wasn't an average game? - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 12:12, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - Presumedly because England won for a change! -- Francs 2000 12:42, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - England and Argentina have a rivalry dating back to the Hand of God goal at the 1986 World Cup and spanning some key games since. Argentina are one of England's two biggest footballing rivals alongside Germany, and the something similar may well apply the other way round, with Brazil taking the place of Germany. Both countries are in the top 10 in the FIFA World Rankings. CalJW 16:47, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    - I don't suppose there's an article about this rivalry? - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 16:56, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      - Actually, Hand of God goal itself seems to contain a nice little history of major England-Argentina games since 1986. It doesn't mention this match yet, so maybe it would be a suitable place to merge it to? — Haeleth Talk 18:02, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into the respective team articles. PJM 12:55, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or fail that merge per above. Individual games are not encyclopedic, even if they inspire tremendous passion in fans. Dottore So 13:43, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Argentina national team and England national team. Simple enough. Now merged into England and Argentina football rivalry, so delete this Sam Vimes 14:15, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Too detailed for main articles. Carina22 15:37, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The nominator didn't disclose that he is a national of the losing country. CalJW 16:47, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - of transient interest. Nobody is going to want to read this match report in even a month's time. Individual sports matches shouldn't have entries of their own unless they are really significant (e.g. World Cup finals). --ajn (talk) 17:15, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - as of ajn. -- Elisson • Talk 17:21, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per Mariano. -- Kjkolb 18:08, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. It's only a friendly, and I can't see a merge into the national team articles in this case doing anything more than bloating the artcles. Maybe put down the result and the scoreline or something, but...I mean, that's not a merge, really. Lord Bob 19:05, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Hand of Gold goal as Haeleth suggested, if this can be done sensibly. Otherwise delete. Reyk 19:33, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - as entertaining and dramatic a game as it was, it *was* just a friendly, and as such isn't notable enough for an article. There'll be plenty of match reports around online for anybody in years to come who wishes to know more about the game, as it's already covered here with a brief mention in the England team's article. It'll probably get a mention in the Hand of God goal piece soon too — a piece which I suspect could perhaps be re-named / split off into a history of this particular footballing rivalry, which *is* a notable one. Angmering 20:12, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the rivalry is notable and could probably use an article (although I think the Hand of God goal is notable on its own merits even if the rivalry gets an article). Perhaps we could merge into that, although I'm hesitant to vote that way on a non-existant article. Lord Bob 20:22, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I've created a draft page at User:Angmering/England and Argentina football rivalry, for a possible page on the whole shebang. I know it's lacking quotes, references, etc, but hopefully others with greater knowledge can build to this start. What do you think? Worth adding to the main namespace? Please do feel free to change / add to / move to the main namespace as you feel appropriate. Angmering 22:52, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
That looks like the start of a really interesting article. Make sure it makes it onto the list of unusual articles if/when it's ready for prime time; when would Britannica ever cover something like that? - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 22:58, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've now moved the piece to the main namespace, where it resides, unsurprisingly, at England and Argentina football rivalry. It's got references, etc now, but is sadly lacking an image — I tried in vain to find a free image of one of the games or even separate ones of England and Argentina teams and / or notable players from these matches, but haven't had any luck. Anyone know of such images? Angmering 13:01, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Angmering; the article on the Eng-Arg rivalry is a good idea to my mind. Sliggy 00:57, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete.England and Argentina football rivalry already has all the information and Angmering did a great job with it.
Delete, because of the England and Argentina football rivalry article. Hopefully, one day we will have a Brazil and Argentina football rivalry too. Carioca 19:28, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like Argentina has rivalries all over the place. :) Sebastian Kessel ^Talk 16:07, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - just a friendly and the 'rivalry' is well documented elsewhere. --Meiers Twins 11:50, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep if these cricket articles are kept, why not football (which is a much more popular sport). Grue 18:43, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No. Why not have an individual article for every international ever played in the history of sport? A football match does not deserve it's own article, I mean, this match was a FRIENDLY. The result means little, it wasn't even a world cup qualifier. Heck, I wouldn't even have a group stage World Cup final's game as a separate article, they should be merged! - Hahnchen 00:04, 18 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per Grue. Friendliness between UK and Arg is certainly notable. User:Ejrrjs says What? 07:20, 20 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.