Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Darul Uloom Bolton

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Perhaps rename also. Sandstein 18:48, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Darul Uloom Bolton

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There are virtually no sources supporting this article. There is no notability. Even more damaging is the fact that someone took the link to the ofsted report on Jamiyah Islamiyyah and posted it here as a source. Proposing deletion and Salting FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 04:51, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The full name of the school seems to be something like Al Jamiatul Islamiyah Darul Uloom - which (allowing for the usual problems in transcribing from Arabic or Urdu into English) rather suggests that the Ofsted report referenced in the article has simply used a different part of the full name than was used by the article's creator. Assuming this to be the case and as we are dealing with a secondary school, the article looks as if it should be a fairly easy keep under WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES - even though it looks promotional enough that substantial trimming would be advisable. However, most of the references I have seen seem to be either routine or passing mentions and there seem to be several other schools with distinctly similar names in England (including one in Bury, only about five miles away) - so far as I am concerned, there is enough room for confusion that I would prefer others to check before coming to a firm conclusion. PWilkinson (talk) 23:07, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:40, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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*Comment. There is indeed a lot of confusion here. Ofsted 26-27 January 2010 and SC 009423 are not relevant to the Wikipedia article's details although the postal address is given as the same. Not only is the latest Ofsted report not 'Outstanding', it is generally only 'Satisfactory' with some items judged as 'Inadequate'. I am tempted to suggest that this article is possibly a hoax. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment According to the planning section at bolton.gov.uk, specifically here, "AL JAMIATUL ISLAMIYAH DARUL ULOOM" was at 296 Willows Lane, Bolton, BL3 4BT at the end of 2013. It was housed in a former convent. There is a Charity Commission report of 2014 for "Al-Jamiatul Islamiyah Darul Uloom Lancashire U.K." based at Willow Lane, Deane, Bolton, BL3 4HF. That report lists a website at www.jamiah-al-islamiyyah.org.uk which appears to be down ATM and not at Wayback. There was an Ofsted report in 2004 about "Al Jamiatul Islamiya Darul Uloom" at Hospital Road, Bromley Cross, Bolton, BL7 9PY which fits the information in the article.

It just looks like a poor article to me. Mr Stephen (talk) 21:45, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 16:18, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Appears to be a genuine secondary school, which we keep per longstanding consensus and precedent. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:10, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —☮JAaron95 ^Talk 18:27, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Move I think the name on the OFSTED report should be used: 'Al Jamiah Al Islamiyyah' [1]. Darul uloom seems to be a generic expression which literally means "house of knowledge". Derek Andrews (talk) 19:49, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment These links suggest it is at least a genuine estblishment and support the name suggested above [2][3][4] and this one provides more info though probably primary sourced [5] and has the subtitle 'INSTITUTE OF ISLAMIC HIGHER EDUCATION'. Derek Andrews (talk) 20:03, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Some care needs to be taken in making a move though as the name I suggested above may also be somewhat generic as there is Al-Jamiah Al-Islamiah Patiya and Al-Jamiah Al-Islamiah Obaidia Nanupur. Jamiah seems to mean the perhaps more familiar 'Madrasa'. Derek Andrews (talk) 20:10, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or Move, appears to be a genuine school. Ljgua124 (talk) 23:14, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.