Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hassan Shamaizadeh

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Zoozaz1 talk 23:35, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hassan Shamaizadeh[edit]

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There might be non-English sources I'd miss on a WP:BEFORE, but as it stands this subject is a fail of WP:GNG and WP:SINGER. The only reference provided is a dead link, but title reads that it was an interview, therefore would not be independent. The only assertion of significance in the article is that he was 'selected as the most popular male artist in 1976 by readers of the magazine Zan-e Rooz.', which is unsourced and would not be a pass of any notability criteria either way. nearlyevil 665 13:02, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. nearlyevil 665 13:02, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:09, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 13:20, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Run n Fly (talk) 14:46, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment (possibly Draftify) - I tried to investigate and vote in order to save this from "no consensus" purgatory, and conducted some searches under the gentleman's Persian name حسن شماعی‌زاده . That name comes up in a lot of Iranian entertainment and news sites, but I do not trust Google Translate enough to determine if those sources are reliable. Also, since his career goes back to 1973 he may have pre-Internet coverage, and I found many results while searching for the Persian name in Google Books, finding tomes that appear to be histories of Iranian music, but once again I am uncomfortable with Google Translate. I think he may be notable in his country's music history but can't confirm. Allow me to suggest Draftify, returning the article to its creator or another recently active editor, with a request to find and translate any reliable Persian sources that may be out there. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 18:12, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or draftify - I'm OK with draftify. I guarantee if you have Persian readers we can have this article beefed up and it's fine. From the sourcing I found, he is a songwriter that has written hit singles for Googoosh [1][2]. Even just Googling him brings up a ton of photographs and videos - I know that is rather basic, but, clearly this guy is famous, at least in Iran. He was also featured in this book about Iranian popular culture as well as other books[3][4][5]. A lot of these Iranian musicians are living in the US after basically being ostracized by the Iranian regime. Missvain (talk) 18:06, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - extensive musical output and persian language coverage Daiaespera (talk) 13:09, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - based upon his lengthy discography alone in the 1970s and 1980s, it appears highly likely this is a significant musical artist. However, what we have fails WP:V, or at least mostly. Do we have label and catalog #s for the discography? That would at least meet V for that section. Regarding Persian sources, what are they? I would say this individual is either quite notable, or this is a hoax. It would appear the latter is unlikely by Missvain's results. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 14:51, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a hoax. Sadly, he just isn't popular in English. And again, over the years I've came across these Iranian musicians that are AfD'd because sourcing is hard to find. Many are exiled from Iran and end up in the United States entertaining the Iranian-American community. Sadly, due to my inability to understand Persian makes it tough to find the content needed. This is not an area of expertise of mine due to my monolingualism. But, perhaps the Persian language editors might have some insight, however we find them. Or folks at Wikipedia:WikiProject Iran. Missvain (talk) 15:08, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Making records in Iran in the 70s is nothing to sneeze at. It's not like today when anyone with a smart phone has a discography. I'd say he's notable by a mile, but we need sources. The [Persian] page has a lot of sources, but of course my own monolinguism is an obsticle. I would definately lean towards keep. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 15:31, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or draftify, along Missvain's line of reasoning. As a minor supplement to the resources in previous comments, some Farsi-language outlets such as Bahar (2009, 2017) and BBC Persian (2018) have recently covered his personal life - apparently on the confiscation of his property in Iran. He's also seemed to live in Southern California since the Iranian Revolution (1979), and his activity in California and "Tehrangeles" is noted in this book (via JSTOR). Aranya (talk) 15:22, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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